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The time has come.
i voted no... please everyone vote no.. i know siege love me and will vote no.
LETS GO DIABLO LETS GO
LETS GO DIABLO LETS GO
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Black magick
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Something tells me this will have the same ending as all the others...
I didn't specify a close date. I like to give everyone a chance to vote.
BM - This may well end as many other polls have, but if we are going to make a push for some changes, we need to know what to ask for and which items to take off the table.
A second character would be fine, in my opinion. Now that they've taken the soul stone timers off, there really isn't a valid argument for not doing it.
I can essentially make another character by swapping skills already, the only trouble is red restrictions on virtues and stat adjustments capped at 11 per day.
A second character would add more value to power and stat scrolls again, as they would all have to be consumed and hunted. EA would sell more chargers of the fallen, and more soulstones. Sure, you can empty 6 or 7 stones onto a second char and free them up, but you'd have to train duplicate skills in many instances, such as magery, med, etc...
It would be nice to have my crafter and a resource gatherer, so I wouldn't have to go through the hassle of swapping from stones.
I can essentially make another character by swapping skills already, the only trouble is red restrictions on virtues and stat adjustments capped at 11 per day.
A second character would add more value to power and stat scrolls again, as they would all have to be consumed and hunted. EA would sell more chargers of the fallen, and more soulstones. Sure, you can empty 6 or 7 stones onto a second char and free them up, but you'd have to train duplicate skills in many instances, such as magery, med, etc...
It would be nice to have my crafter and a resource gatherer, so I wouldn't have to go through the hassle of swapping from stones.
I think stat adjustments are capped at 15 now... no? Not that this really matters. Your point is valid.
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Vaelix
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No unless they allow us to Transfer characters on Accounts.. Otherwise im paying for 2+ Accounts for a privilage that everyone else would have for free.
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CroakerTnT
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I will name my second character "Six Soulstones"
Not necessarily. Keep in mind that soulstones can be switched between characters on the same account. Another character slot would give you lots of additional options and save $$ on soulstones. An additional character slot could also keep you from having to change stats too much when creating certain templates. It could be handy in a number of different ways, but yeah, way to be concerned about yourself.
I agree, it's time for a second char slot.
It can only bring more players to Siege.
To Vaelix, you can still place a second house for your second account and maybe you would make 4 chars instead of the 2 you have now.
This shard will die if we are not willing to give up something.
It can only bring more players to Siege.
To Vaelix, you can still place a second house for your second account and maybe you would make 4 chars instead of the 2 you have now.
This shard will die if we are not willing to give up something.
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Timothy_SP
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Can we just give up Diablo?
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Vaelix
Guest
Everything you mentioned was solved by having 2+ Accounts.. Which is exactly why most of us do..
Go ahead and make it 2 Slots, however it's only fair if they allow us to Transfer characters over accounts, Why in gods name should i pay for a Seperate account when others have it for free? That doesnt make sense.
And further more.. Why would the people with multiple accounts Need a second slot?
I've got a Dexxer PvPer and a Mage PvPer..
Others have a PvPer and a PvMer..
Or a PvPer and a Crafter.
Having more than one slot will hurt the crafting community because *Everyone* will be able to have a crafter of their own.. Why would they spend money on something that they can make their own with a second Slot.
Having more than one slot will also hurt the Overall Ecomony of the Shard.. If everyone has access to Crafters / PvMers Via a second slot, Theres no point in putting the gold that they would have otherwise spent on Various items aquired as such.
Considering there are people who Only Craft or Only PvM i'm surprised they would get behind this. Seeing as it would make it pointless for them to continue.
You sound very selfish, it's ok you can have 2 chars because you can affort it. but only the one who can affort it should have that right. Do not make sense to me.
You say you do have a Dexxer PvPer and a Mage PvPer. Would you really make a crafter if you got a second slot? or would you make 2 more PvP/PvM chars?
Some do already have PvPer and a PvMer. More slots won't give them more playtime so doubt they will make a crafter.
Some do already have a PvPer and a Crafter or a PvM'er and a Crafter.
Crafting is more complicated now and it take alot more time. A char slot more won't make everyone start making their own suits, pots, petals, enhanged fruit, arrows, dyes.
An imbued suit is not just a gm crafted suit, you need different kind of imbuing resourcer, even an imbuer may choose what suits he want to sell. There are suits for different templates, some want high mana, some want luck, some want stanima or hit point.
Some are crafters, some are not. Some like to farm, some do not and some just want to PvP.
Because it's much easier to buy a suit and not have all the trouble with resources and balance the resists.
Buy your PvP gear and you are ready to go on PvP
Do you know how annoying it is to have to switch soulstones all the time?
I play 4 accounts.
1 PvP/PvM
1 Farmer (tamer)
1 alchy, script, cook, botanist
1 smith, tailor, tinker, carpentry, miner, lumber, fletcher, imbuer and magery as defense when out the wildernes.
I believe I would make a PvP/PvM char more, but this is my relax/RP chars, not my main.
I may split the tailor/smith char in gathering and crafting.
But more slot won't give me more playtime.
It will however help the players who can't affort multi account as it will allow them to try more templates. It is very hard with only one char if they are use to 6-7
The argument that every person would have a crafter makes me smile. I've got 2 crafters and I still can't cover all the crafts without using soulstones. If I had another character I'd make a 3rd crafter!
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Some dude playing UO
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I vote yes.
One of the basic idea of Siege was the need to interact with one another. But most players have been *cheating* this principle, by using multiple accounts. This i think, is a big blow to the shard, but since its already too late to save Siege from players playing with themselves, why not allow multiple character slot? Right, so EA can get more money out of players who want so badly multiple characters on Siege.
Everyone could have a blue and a red (tho it would be better for everyone to be colorless...).
Sure would bring new players too, and old one like me who could make a new template without destroying there previous hadly worked one.
One of the basic idea of Siege was the need to interact with one another. But most players have been *cheating* this principle, by using multiple accounts. This i think, is a big blow to the shard, but since its already too late to save Siege from players playing with themselves, why not allow multiple character slot? Right, so EA can get more money out of players who want so badly multiple characters on Siege.
Everyone could have a blue and a red (tho it would be better for everyone to be colorless...).
Sure would bring new players too, and old one like me who could make a new template without destroying there previous hadly worked one.
Also I see nothing wrong with a PvP'er or PvM'er having a a craft char. He may make his own potions and sell potions on a vendor or he may have a miner and sell ingots and gems or maybe he do have an imbuer but buy the gm suits and some of the resources to make his favorite suit and maybe he sell some of them on a vendor too.
When UO was new, many PK's was able to craft their own suit and weapon as there was no vendors yet and they could not visite the crafters in town.
I remember when I was a young miner 1997, a red showed up and asked me to make him a smith hammer and wanted to buy the little ingots I had on me.
Then he made the pieces he needed and gated out only to come back with a nice payment for my ingots.
At that time, many PvM'er and some reds would have 1-2 craftskills.
I voted yes, under the assumption that it would help.
I've seen quite a few ideas put forth lately, brainstorming on how to revive Siege. Whether or not I personally think any of them are good or bad is actually pretty irrelevant. If they did indeed give our shard a shot in the arm, increased activity, and brought a new influx of players, I'd be for them.
In the end, I think that is more important than what I want as an inividual, or what would inhance my template.
I've seen quite a few ideas put forth lately, brainstorming on how to revive Siege. Whether or not I personally think any of them are good or bad is actually pretty irrelevant. If they did indeed give our shard a shot in the arm, increased activity, and brought a new influx of players, I'd be for them.
In the end, I think that is more important than what I want as an inividual, or what would inhance my template.
I voted "yes" the last time and I voted "yes" again. A second slot would likely bring me out of my hiatus.
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Vaelix
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Just because some people can afford to have 2 Accounts doesnt make it fair for it to be offered as a Free feature otherwise.
Lets say the subscription/Month is 10$/Month.
For 2 Accounts I pay 120 + 120 = 240$
For a Feature that others pay 120$ for yearly.. How does that make sense?
I choose to have 2 Characters, However if i could transfer them over to a Single Account (2 Characters on Siege) I would.
I'd love to have 2 Character slots *ONLY* if they allow you to transfer a Character to an account. I'd transfer Both of my PvPers on to 1 account and Close my second account.
It makes NO sense for player X to pay Double for a feature player Y has for free.
Lets say the subscription/Month is 10$/Month.
For 2 Accounts I pay 120 + 120 = 240$
For a Feature that others pay 120$ for yearly.. How does that make sense?
I choose to have 2 Characters, However if i could transfer them over to a Single Account (2 Characters on Siege) I would.
I'd love to have 2 Character slots *ONLY* if they allow you to transfer a Character to an account. I'd transfer Both of my PvPers on to 1 account and Close my second account.
It makes NO sense for player X to pay Double for a feature player Y has for free.
I'm not going to vote since I can't really decide I'm between yes and no... I mean I would like to try some other changes first like the Black Rock idea to see if it would boost the population but if that didn't work then I would probably vote yes.
There are many reasons to have multiple accounts. My wife and I had 5 accounts when we both played Atlantic, where you could have 5 chars per account at the time.
We still have four accounts. I would not drop any accounts if they add a second slot here, I would just have more flexability.
But its not about me, its about getting others to come here. Two char slots would be a big help IMHO.
We still have four accounts. I would not drop any accounts if they add a second slot here, I would just have more flexability.
But its not about me, its about getting others to come here. Two char slots would be a big help IMHO.
I would support the addition of a 2nd chr. slot for us all on Siege.
I voted YES !
RE: Vaelix Siege is not the only shard in the EA realm. The outrage from other customers on all shards that ONLY Siege got to transfer chrs. from say 2 accts. into 1 only would be some special privilege EA could not just give to Siege customers. Every shards' customers would want this.
I have 4 active accts. I would love nothing more than to be able to merge 4 accts. x 24 + chrs. per acct. into only 2 accts. over there on Chesapeake.
IF 'Siege only' got this right or special treatment, you can bet customers globe wide on all the other shards would be highly ticked off.
And EA would loose money ! They know this any consolidation of our chrs. on any shards into 1 acct. instead of 2 per active acct. would cost them loss of income so they would never permit it. And to do so *JUST* for Siege..all hell would break loose !
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ONLY NEGATIVE I see with 2 chrs. per acct. is we may loose a bit of our identity. ATM we pretty much know whom is whom here, even on all our alts. so we will have to learn our *new alts* as to who is whom, if we get 2 slots per acct. But it won't take us long to figure out whom is whom, even with 2 chrs. slots per those of us whom are here now, and whomever may yet come, to Siege.
Course with Diablo......who's on first ? well he will just be MORE confusing with all the buyin /selling/ acct and name changes he goes thru in a week as is, x 2 chr. slots per acct. *shudder* I think we would still know whom he is tho., no matter what named chr. he bought and sold or that he is sporting today or... atm !
I voted YES !
RE: Vaelix Siege is not the only shard in the EA realm. The outrage from other customers on all shards that ONLY Siege got to transfer chrs. from say 2 accts. into 1 only would be some special privilege EA could not just give to Siege customers. Every shards' customers would want this.
I have 4 active accts. I would love nothing more than to be able to merge 4 accts. x 24 + chrs. per acct. into only 2 accts. over there on Chesapeake.
IF 'Siege only' got this right or special treatment, you can bet customers globe wide on all the other shards would be highly ticked off.
And EA would loose money ! They know this any consolidation of our chrs. on any shards into 1 acct. instead of 2 per active acct. would cost them loss of income so they would never permit it. And to do so *JUST* for Siege..all hell would break loose !
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ONLY NEGATIVE I see with 2 chrs. per acct. is we may loose a bit of our identity. ATM we pretty much know whom is whom here, even on all our alts. so we will have to learn our *new alts* as to who is whom, if we get 2 slots per acct. But it won't take us long to figure out whom is whom, even with 2 chrs. slots per those of us whom are here now, and whomever may yet come, to Siege.
Course with Diablo......who's on first ? well he will just be MORE confusing with all the buyin /selling/ acct and name changes he goes thru in a week as is, x 2 chr. slots per acct. *shudder* I think we would still know whom he is tho., no matter what named chr. he bought and sold or that he is sporting today or... atm !
I would support the addition of a 2nd chr. slot for us all on Siege.
I voted YES !
RE: Vaelix Siege is not the only shard in the EA realm. The outrage from other customers on all shards that ONLY Siege got to transfer chrs. from say 2 accts. into 1 only would be some special privilege EA could not just give to Siege customers. Every shards' customers would want this.
I have 4 active accts. I would love nothing more than to be able to merge 4 accts. x 24 + chrs. per acct. into only 2 accts. over there on Chesapeake.
IF 'Siege only' got this right or special treatment, you can bet customers globe wide on all the other shards would be highly ticked off.
And EA would loose money ! They know this any consolidation of our chrs. on any shards into 1 acct. instead of 2 per active acct. would cost them loss of income so they would never permit it. And to do so *JUST* for Siege..all hell would break loose !
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ONLY NEGATIVE I see with 2 chrs. per acct. is we may loose a bit of our identity. ATM we pretty much know whom is whom here, even on all our alts. so we will have to learn our *new alts* as to who is whom, if we get 2 slots per acct. But it won't take us long to figure out whom is whom, even with 2 chrs. slots per those of us whom are here now, and whomever may yet come, to Siege.
Course with Diablo......who's on first ? well he will just be MORE confusing with all the buyin /selling/ acct and name changes he goes thru in a week as is, x 2 chr. slots per acct. *shudder* I think we would still know whom he is tho., no matter what named chr. he bought and sold or that he is sporting today or... atm !
false i dont play siege a lot anymore!.. and i dont buy or name change anymore either, i dont have anymore gold to waste..
OMGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG CHINESS BROTHA HOW YOU DOING
With 2 chars, they can do RoT on one char and play the other, they will only need 1-2 soulstones switch skills between the 2 chars.
The EA playguide is not updated, it still show old daily gains, that may keep many away.
http://www.uoherald.com/guide/guide.php?guideId=221
Stratics show it correct http://uo.stratics.com/php-bin/show_content.php?content=30947
If we just could make it 5 min between gain the whole way up to 120, it would help the players who do not play alot hours each day.
The EA playguide is not updated, it still show old daily gains, that may keep many away.
http://www.uoherald.com/guide/guide.php?guideId=221
Stratics show it correct http://uo.stratics.com/php-bin/show_content.php?content=30947
If we just could make it 5 min between gain the whole way up to 120, it would help the players who do not play alot hours each day.
My take on it:
When Siege was released the game was still at a point where almost any solo character could hunt things, and get the items they needed, you had multiple templates out there all with PvP and PvM capabilities:
Dexer: This template generally killed lower end things such as lich's, earth elementals, deamons, and executioners. The dexer could drop these things quickly, earning a good amount of gold, and they still yielded power weapons and fort armor(The lich/deamons, exe's dropped power/vanq axes). There were many variations on this template, such as DP fencer, parry macer, axer, eval macer, etc etc. PvP and PvM capabilities were both great.
The bard: These guys could run OL island all day, or Destard and bring in better money than any other template, even more than the tamer. The bard could yield vanq/invul items from hunting shadow wyrm's and balrons, and made tons of gold from his OL and dragon hunting. Great PvMer, but if coupled with mage skills was still quite formidable as a peace maker on the PvP scene.
The tamer: Great for PvM, able to kill pretty much anything with enough time and persistence. Great money making abilities with little risk, because they have their pet fighting for them. On the field they could drop players instantly by controlling 10+ WW's or Dragons at once.
The mage: The strongest template in the PvP category by far, and still very formidable as a PvMer. Major draw back was lack of mana pool, but many mages made up for this by using their summons, like EV's or BS's to hunt OL's.
All of these templates could hunt back in the day, but what really makes a difference now? Is they really didn't have to. I know I virtually ALWAYS ran naked on my mage, and the only time I didn't was when I knew there would be axer's about. Now UO is a math game, you need a character to either hunt for the ingredients for your armor, or to make the items for you. You can't go out, kill 40 lich, toss on the gear, and call it a suit any more. You will get destroyed. Sure a mage can still go hunt these things, but the game is fast paced now, these template's aren't as balanced in PvM and PvP as they once were.
A second character slot can ensure people can enjoy both aspects of Siege. The PvM and the PvP. It's weird to think of it I know, but some people play here for the danger, not just the direct PvP.
When Siege was released the game was still at a point where almost any solo character could hunt things, and get the items they needed, you had multiple templates out there all with PvP and PvM capabilities:
Dexer: This template generally killed lower end things such as lich's, earth elementals, deamons, and executioners. The dexer could drop these things quickly, earning a good amount of gold, and they still yielded power weapons and fort armor(The lich/deamons, exe's dropped power/vanq axes). There were many variations on this template, such as DP fencer, parry macer, axer, eval macer, etc etc. PvP and PvM capabilities were both great.
The bard: These guys could run OL island all day, or Destard and bring in better money than any other template, even more than the tamer. The bard could yield vanq/invul items from hunting shadow wyrm's and balrons, and made tons of gold from his OL and dragon hunting. Great PvMer, but if coupled with mage skills was still quite formidable as a peace maker on the PvP scene.
The tamer: Great for PvM, able to kill pretty much anything with enough time and persistence. Great money making abilities with little risk, because they have their pet fighting for them. On the field they could drop players instantly by controlling 10+ WW's or Dragons at once.
The mage: The strongest template in the PvP category by far, and still very formidable as a PvMer. Major draw back was lack of mana pool, but many mages made up for this by using their summons, like EV's or BS's to hunt OL's.
All of these templates could hunt back in the day, but what really makes a difference now? Is they really didn't have to. I know I virtually ALWAYS ran naked on my mage, and the only time I didn't was when I knew there would be axer's about. Now UO is a math game, you need a character to either hunt for the ingredients for your armor, or to make the items for you. You can't go out, kill 40 lich, toss on the gear, and call it a suit any more. You will get destroyed. Sure a mage can still go hunt these things, but the game is fast paced now, these template's aren't as balanced in PvM and PvP as they once were.
A second character slot can ensure people can enjoy both aspects of Siege. The PvM and the PvP. It's weird to think of it I know, but some people play here for the danger, not just the direct PvP.
I think I would love to have the extra chars, but I need to agree with Dante, partly.
I really dont care what other people have but I do care about the $ that EA brings in and a second char slot will allow people to close accounts. Say what you will but it will happen and I feel that outways the few people it may bring.
As Kage says open up Blackroack or change ROT, hell add the ability to Recall, that would bring in more people then a Second Char slot. Think about it if you can gate, well then recall/SJ shoudl work also.
When I started here the one thing that almost made me leave was no SJ/Recall, suckers for dexxer.
But what got me to stay, and I feel this is what is missing on Siege right now, was being killed by WYRM, Silly as that sounds all I wanted do do was kill the guy and that is what pushed me though ROT. I see people sit all day at the Luna bank AFK, that should never happen! gettign bank bombed made me relize just how different Siege really is.
I really dont care what other people have but I do care about the $ that EA brings in and a second char slot will allow people to close accounts. Say what you will but it will happen and I feel that outways the few people it may bring.
As Kage says open up Blackroack or change ROT, hell add the ability to Recall, that would bring in more people then a Second Char slot. Think about it if you can gate, well then recall/SJ shoudl work also.
When I started here the one thing that almost made me leave was no SJ/Recall, suckers for dexxer.
But what got me to stay, and I feel this is what is missing on Siege right now, was being killed by WYRM, Silly as that sounds all I wanted do do was kill the guy and that is what pushed me though ROT. I see people sit all day at the Luna bank AFK, that should never happen! gettign bank bombed made me relize just how different Siege really is.
I wonder how many people shut down accounts when 6th and then 7th character slots were added? From the number of gift item pics I see posted showing all 62 of the various giftes they selected, I'd venture to say not too many.
One character slot is one of the big complaints. I've gotta think it's time to add an extra. Its possible I might consider closing one of my four remaining accounts, but with things as they are, thats better than shutting down all four. =/
And I have to say... Wow... When was the last time 74% of us agreed on anything?! Holy smokes, the world may flip right off its axis!
One character slot is one of the big complaints. I've gotta think it's time to add an extra. Its possible I might consider closing one of my four remaining accounts, but with things as they are, thats better than shutting down all four. =/
And I have to say... Wow... When was the last time 74% of us agreed on anything?! Holy smokes, the world may flip right off its axis!
At this point in UO and Siege's life span, I do not think the 2nd char slot would cause problems.
And for those who have multiple accounts, if the main reason for the account was the char slot, although it would be a big hassle training up a new character with scrolls, skills (RoT), etc. it could be done, and since names are not unique, we could even duplicate the name of a char on another account. For those who have extra accounts primarily for housing, they would still be receiving that benefit for their extra account. Nothing would change except they would get a bonus char slot that could make use of all soulstones the main char already owns.
-Skylark
And for those who have multiple accounts, if the main reason for the account was the char slot, although it would be a big hassle training up a new character with scrolls, skills (RoT
), etc. it could be done, and since names are not unique, we could even duplicate the name of a char on another account. For those who have extra accounts primarily for housing, they would still be receiving that benefit for their extra account. Nothing would change except they would get a bonus char slot that could make use of all soulstones the main char already owns.-Skylark
Yes. I enjoy pvp but stink at it. It is still fun though. One of the aspects that held me on Siege was the element of danger and suprise.
I have all craftskills but still made extensive use of other crafters. I bought kegs, hammers, pof, runic sewing, fletching, and carp kits, petals, Seeds of renewal, crystal shards, ingots, minign special gems, etc.... Even though I have almost everyone of the skills needed to acquire these things on my own.
The crafting system is so indepth now that i actually use the services of crafter types alot more than i ever did 7 years ago. It was really easy to bang out all the kats, war hammers, spears, potions, and leather armour I could use; id usually spend an hour or so once every two weeks or so and never buy anything from anyone.
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TerryFyde
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Voted for a second char slot, not because i enjoy training, but because i think something should be done to encourage others to make the move to Siege. When i have sugested to some that they join Siege in the past, a common reason for declining has been they do not want to play just one class of characater and do not have the funds for additional accounts.
I'd suggest leaving it open for a little while longer. If people have guildmates who usually don't read stratics, maybe guildmates could persuade to them to come here and vote.
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Ellie Greymist
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I (Branwyn of Errol) voted yes on this after reading some of the posts. I have two accounts and would still keep both. Two slots would increase flexibility where you could make use of soulstoned skills between complimentary characters which you cannot do between separate accounts.
And I agree that most crafting these days has evolved to the point where, unless you have hours a day to play, you still need others to provide resources and stuff. eg I do not craft per say but I do grow plants and make dyes. I would love to spend time experimenting with that even more, which means I do not want to spend time making my own potions. I use lrc to go out gathering seeds of various kinds and I depend on those who craft them because I do get killed and looted on occasion. And if you are setting up a new house, and need trees, shrubs and flowers do you really want the hassle of growing them yourself when you would rather do other things with your game time?
And I agree that most crafting these days has evolved to the point where, unless you have hours a day to play, you still need others to provide resources and stuff. eg I do not craft per say but I do grow plants and make dyes. I would love to spend time experimenting with that even more, which means I do not want to spend time making my own potions. I use lrc to go out gathering seeds of various kinds and I depend on those who craft them because I do get killed and looted on occasion. And if you are setting up a new house, and need trees, shrubs and flowers do you really want the hassle of growing them yourself when you would rather do other things with your game time?
It doesn't make financial sense to allow a 2nd character slot on Siege, since many people pay for 2nd and 3rd accounts just for Siege. If they can now have 2 characters under 1 subscription fee, there is a good chance they will stop paying for the extra accounts and EA will lose subscription revenue.
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Black magick
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Considering how many people actually play on siege, I doubt it would concern them too much. I have two accounts and I know that if a second character slot comes I will still play both.
*edit* Is 2/3 or 3/4 the majority that the devs normally look for?
*edit* Is 2/3 or 3/4 the majority that the devs normally look for?
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Black magick
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I can't help but wonder why so many voted no. Dante and mook have made their points, which I agree are valid. I doubt everyone who voted nay voted for the same reasons though.
I'm sure some agree with Mook and Dante, but I also think some are simply resistant to change. I am curious if there are some other reasons.