What's a better measurement of a guilds overall PvP skill...

[Walkerboh77]

the best way to judge the abilities of a pvper is to see how he fares against adversity...

if he can survive and even win against the odds (ie fighting w/o using hax/mods...or vs superior numbers...vs the OP'd setups...etc) and win consistently....then that player will eventually set himself apart to every other player...

meaning winning with the 1 vs 2,3,4,5,'s.....beating the scripting pot throwers....embarrassing the spawn gankers...roflstomping the speedhackers....and so on...all while never using a 3rd party program of any kind...or cheat to win....

i've heard of no such player in UO

the pvp ive seen since returning to the game is...pot throwing....and simply bringing superior numbers...running into a house...and even as low as rez killing which is the pinnacle of skill...


the cheating in this game is out of control....and its

the fault of mythic....for not banning these fools asap

the fault of the players for not destroying offenders on sight and making the game unplayable for cheaters(policing their own)

the fault of the mental midgets in this game that they feel some sort of accomplishment by wins gained via cheating


but i suppose i've strayed off topic a little except to repeat my point...this is not a skill based game....and the ruleset promotes bad play

 

[Black Majick]

You said about massive number difference gank. Then what about our war with COP which is about double our size and we are winning by over double the kills closing to 1k kills? And you know better that waka do have a number advantages most of the time.

We lost a little fight versus waka today in Yew. But it was 3 (and a blue thats starting to learn how to PvP) against 6 waka. We fought well we still got way more kills for the day but in the end when 2 of our 3 men team died side by side for charging into the 6 of them and got stated of course they will call it a victory. We had 5 deaths maybe versus about 8 to 9 kills if I remember correctly.

You are right sometimes scam wins sometimes waka but we have won/tied all even number fights and have won "all" fights where the number is in our favor given that rarely happens against waka.

Take the 3v6 we just had, if we were warred, we will be on the winning side for more head count. It's very easy for them to wipe us (thus they won) when we have to yet again fight them 1v2.

Other than teamwork/skill waka do have advantages for the sheer number they can field (more mages/archers/tamers/stealthers than we do), so why not go to War?

I was not on for the fight. I know personally I get ran cirlces around by pretty much everyone, guildmates included.

Glad we can have a civil discussion WU. Its more pleasent than the usual hate spewing from everyones mouth in the PvP thread.

As far as warring, I am not sure what Waka wants to do. I am all about warring but unfortunately instead of someone going 1v1 against you, and dieing if they truly lost, they just call in another 1-2 peeps to get the upperhand. I have thought about going solo myself just to do it. I might. I dont really play alot though now days. I will keep it in mind. Maybe I will even talk to Trinity about getting it going. The idea was tossed around in vent the other day.

As far as the fights in yew...I might go there 2x a week. Gate figthing is junk. Too many houses and too many "gimp" templates.

Alot of killing comes down to teamwork. I would have to say that SCAM has some okay PvPers as does Waka. SCAM just seems to have better teamwork. Mostly because it is the same 4-5 peeps in SCAM on all the time together. You all learn how each other plays. One day I might log in Waka vent and Trin, Myself, Wyld and Snake. The next day it may be Espit, Myself, Snake and Castor. The next day a different combo. When you dont play with the same folks consistently you never get a feel for what your teammates are doing. I know I still dont get a feel for most of my teammates. Unfortunately one of the guys i really got a feel for is no longer with the guild. We shall see what all happens though. I will prolly be on tonight. Prolly be on my dexer. Maybe Ill see you around and get that "kill shot" screen shot.

Now if we really wanna get down to it and if nothign else have a good 5v5 fight for fun, ICQ me WU. I am sure that a calm head and some planning can get a set of rules worked out that will work for both parties and we can have a 5v5 or xvx. I dont care. My ICQ is 465216882.

 

[longshanks]

why did u guys move this thread off the sonoma forum. sonoma is a dead shard and you guys are terrible. go back there please.

shut it down please.

 

[the 4th man]

Man, this post is funny. Especially the nasally bickering between the two....
I want permission to submitt this to Letterman, he'd have a field day for a week ripping you guys apart.

Anyone for a new pen holder??

 

[Vexxed]

Longshanks Said:

why did u guys move this thread off the sonoma forum. sonoma is a dead shard and you guys are terrible. go back there please.

shut it down please.

Umm.. This thread never moved.. I created it on UOhall so I could get a wider range of opinions other than the 2 sides currently involved.. how about if you don't like reading the thread then do just that and save yourself the greif... I mean you do realize that simply by posting your dislike you bump the thread back to the top don't you? Or me thinks you simply wanted to complain....

WW Said:

GO back to England and tell them there that Scotland's daughters and her sons are yours no more. Tell them Scotland is free.

 

[Llewen]

Haven't read the entire thread but I'm for "none of the above". There are all kinds of skills involved in "real" pvp. There are diplomatic skills, organizational skills, interpersonal skill, logistics, strategy, tactics, and yes, good old fashioned button mashing. In my opinion if you want to know who the most skilled pvp'rs are on your shard, find out who comes out of the most spawns with the most scrolls.

It's the only context in UO where anything meaningful in game terms is at stake and there are no stupid rules. If you win, you get the scrolls, if you lose, you don't, it's as simple as that. And it doesn't matter how you do it (and I'm not getting into a discussion on cheating here, we'll just pretend it doesn't exist for the purposes of this post).

 

[Viper09]

What good are mage duels for comparing guilds?

Not everyone plays a mage, not every guild is made-up of mages.

 

[Llewen]

the cheating in this game is out of control....

Well, let's hope that sometime in the next six months this changes. I'm not holding my breath, but you never know, maybe the devs are serious about it this time...