I think it should have a 3 second timer after 1 exp pot is released so it be 3 2 1, then 3 2 1, allows you to click anotehr 3 2 1 throw, wait 3 2 1, click 3 2 1 throw.
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should greater explosion potions have a 15 second cooldown between use
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Connor_Graham
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Wrong. It is done in PvM. You may not do it, but that doesn't mean others don't. The only one trolling is you. Making changes to game mechanics that affect combat is of equal concern to those who PvM as it is to those who PvP. Any changes made should take both into consideration, whether you want it to or not.
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Gellor
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And the people who are doing it ARE using scripts from that unmentionable program and NOT UOA or Enhanced client.
Just because YOU don't use the unmentionable program doesn't mean others aren't.
The triple explode potion IS a UOA macro. It's a flipping old, very old UOA macro. It's been around forfreakingever.
Just because YOU aren't knowledgeable of it doesn't mean it isn't so.
You absolutely DO NOT need to run the unmentionable program to throw a triple explode bomb. UOA does it just fine.
FFS! It used to be posted right here on Stratics exactly how to set it up and use it. For all I know it's still here.
Just because YOU aren't knowledgeable of it doesn't mean it isn't so.
You absolutely DO NOT need to run the unmentionable program to throw a triple explode bomb. UOA does it just fine.
FFS! It used to be posted right here on Stratics exactly how to set it up and use it. For all I know it's still here.
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Gellor
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Just because you haven't seen the issue being discussed in action doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Maybe you PvP on the last honest shard where nobody uses aids. *shrugs* My shard isn't one of those.
I've USED the triple UO Assist macro... what is being done is NOT that. To be perfectly specific: I've seen BOTH in action and they are different.
Putting your head in the sand saying something doesn't exist does nothing to change the fact that it does exist and is in fact being used. I'm not saying this is what Ezekiel Zane is doing... but way to many posting about PVP in U.Hall do that. "I've never seen it so it must not exist."
I've USED the triple UO Assist macro... what is being done is NOT that. To be perfectly specific: I've seen BOTH in action and they are different.
Putting your head in the sand saying something doesn't exist does nothing to change the fact that it does exist and is in fact being used. I'm not saying this is what Ezekiel Zane is doing... but way to many posting about PVP in U.Hall do that. "I've never seen it so it must not exist."
I didn't say that a script to toss potions doesn't exist. I didn't mean to imply such either. I've been to that site. I know what's there and I've seen both in action too. Lemme tell ya, back in the day there were some pretty awesome bombers using only UOA. I've made that UOA macro myself and it's complicated and easy to blow yourself up too. Once you get it down solid though it's pretty deadly in use. I didn't keep up with it though and can only imagine that with EP it'd be even more wicked.
The problem with some of the post in this thread is that, as usual many posters are accusing other players of using illegal programs when in actuality you have no real proof. You're making baseless accusations because you think it can't be done without using the unmentionable program. I'm telling you it can.
The problem with some of the post in this thread is that, as usual many posters are accusing other players of using illegal programs when in actuality you have no real proof. You're making baseless accusations because you think it can't be done without using the unmentionable program. I'm telling you it can.
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Divie
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A fair point, but there are also posters who are trying to highlight the fact that this method HOWEVER it is achieved is highly unbalanced. the manner in which this is achieved is frankly a moot point, the fact that it can be achieved is the real issue and although the title of the thread is totally unrealistic there is grounds for consideration on the matter.
The problem isn't that a timer for explode potions is needed. With explode potions you can queue up multiple pots before actually tossing them. That's what needs to be addressed. If it was prevented to do that then machine gunning pots would cease to be a problem even without a cool-down timer.
I like your post.
It really seems like only being able to activate one potion at the time would end this problem.
No matter how they work the timers there's going to be some way around it. Plus, its a shame 90% of the people are about to get nerfed for what 10 people total are doing on a couple of shards.
I wish they'd do it like the old days where a gm just watched them invisible to see what they were doing. They can open your bags & watch exactly what is happening. They might not be able to tell if a script is being used. They could see if 4-8 ge pots disappeared from the players packs over and over & watch the insta-kills and the people talking crap to their victims.
Sounds like someone is a little too familiar with this "script."
Maybe it's time EA did a little investigation into your playing.
Way to much work and reading...
Who are you betting with and how much are you betting? Can I place a bet?
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Tinsil
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I think the point they were making is people are being ridiculous and act like no cheating is going on at all, when in fact it's extremely likely the majority of people who do this are using an illegal scripting program.
It can be done with a UO Assist macro, but it most commonly is not. (about 95% of the time it's not UOA.)
You cannot run two UOA macros at the same time. So if someone is dismounting or appling and throwing a potion, it is a script.
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UOKaiser
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Wouldn't that be uoa macro combine with built in uo 2d macro actions. You run one macro the pot trowing one in uoassit amd use hot keys of the 2d client or a macro of the 2d client. Or program a uo assit macro to incorporate pot trowing and recovery all in the dsame macro. Though using hot keys or 2d macro at the same time as uoassit macro would be much more efficient.
That DR doesnt really do much when everyone runs 50%+ EP though.
Yes they kinda need help. How many nox dexers is it across all shards now days? 12?
Cure pots should have a timer.
A cool down for throwing potions makes no sense at all. Is your arm so tired that you can toss a 1 stone item for another 15 seconds? How can you swing a sword every 1.25 seconds then?
Timers are a lazy implementation to fix a balance issue. I don't think it has a place in UO. Other things such as not allowing someone to have more than one explosion potion active at a time, increasing the cost of resources to make explosion potions, randomizing the explosion timer a little, etc. There are many ways to solve the current problem with explosion potions.
Timers are a lazy implementation to fix a balance issue. I don't think it has a place in UO. Other things such as not allowing someone to have more than one explosion potion active at a time, increasing the cost of resources to make explosion potions, randomizing the explosion timer a little, etc. There are many ways to solve the current problem with explosion potions.
You can't set macros through UO in 2d to use apples/box/etc.
I'm not sure exactly what you're trying to say, it sounds like you haven't pvped before though
£100 to anyone, who can get it running. But you got to prove its not a script, and that its UOassist macro.
I have worked with that old macro for hours. I can get 2 to work but the third (some times the first) goes of in your pack. On papaer it should work, but in the real world, well thats a difrent matter
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UOKaiser
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You said bandages didn't you?Dind't say apples/box. Bandage self macro in uo 2d. Or cast spell ,target self or better yet if you really need to use apples or box that means you got hit so makes no sense to continue a 3 pot macro stop macro with uoassit stop macro hot key and start the other macro for box pot or apple or just manualy click on them for a slower effect then start pot macro again could all be done quickly with right timing while the other player is trying to avoid the shadows of the previous pots. Experience pvp should have np with that.You can't set macros through UO in 2d to use apples/box/etc.
I'm not sure exactly what you're trying to say, it sounds like you haven't pvped before though
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UOKaiser
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Since I last tried it it's being many many years. Maybe timing needs to be changed in there to account for lag or maybe some sort of change during the years.
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longshanks
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you obviously have never seen the N.Y. Mets pitch...
Make way everyone, make way! Professional hustler coming through! Didn't have a chance to upload until now.
Only way I can think of to prove I have nothing else running except UOA (edit: in case folks are wondering, first program in the task bar is Windows Media Encoder) :
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Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgfM4X-7Rn4
I posted in a thread a week or 2 back about it still working and the problem was the stack-able potions patch throwing things off.
*Edit* Note that this is the macro as it is, I did not change anything or optimize the timing.
*Rubs hands* Now about that 100 quid...
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Don't worry about it, I was yanking your chains. I just wanted bragging rights
Since we are referencing real life, this can be done for real grenades as well. Depending on the grenade used, you can hold off lobbing it for several seconds after you pull the pin and release the lever.
Similar tactical advantages, leaving as little time as possible for the enemy to take cover.
But also has similar drawbacks - different grenades have different delays (even between grenades of the same type there could be a variance) and you will be instructed against doing this in case the grenade goes prematurely.
ill show u how to do it for 100 quid from uoassit fs... lolol
Ah, a fellow hustler I see! Sorry mate, this mark's mine, mine I tell ya!
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Victoria Navarre
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Psst....hey Aran...Mitzlplik is one of those pvp'ers that think that their way of playing UO is above those that don't.
nice video but thats not what complaints i have been hearing.
Vid shows the pots going off at different times,,,this is fine and dandy
complaint is that all pots are exploding at the same time
Vid shows pots in sets of 3,,,this is fine and dandy
complaint is that there are numbers greater than this being thrown
Vid shows pots all going off in line of sight,,,this is fine and dandy
complaint is that pots ar following players around corners/houses/several screens away and still hitting/doing full damage
vid shows uoa macro/ingame mechanics,,,this is fine and dandy
complaint is that someone had a script made or wrote it himself
[i will not name them] for use with that 3rd party program that we cannot mention here to do all this.It is being used for PVP [among all the other cheats that those using them claim don't exhist]
I like the idea of only being able to que one ep and not being able to que another till after the current one explodes.I do beleive that could solve this
however,,,i doubt anything at all will be done about this cheat.Exactly how long has speedhack been out?
But indeed it is a script,,,what most of you here are doing is comparing apples to oranges here thinking they are the same thing.
Vid shows the pots going off at different times,,,this is fine and dandy
complaint is that all pots are exploding at the same time
Vid shows pots in sets of 3,,,this is fine and dandy
complaint is that there are numbers greater than this being thrown
Vid shows pots all going off in line of sight,,,this is fine and dandy
complaint is that pots ar following players around corners/houses/several screens away and still hitting/doing full damage
vid shows uoa macro/ingame mechanics,,,this is fine and dandy
complaint is that someone had a script made or wrote it himself
[i will not name them] for use with that 3rd party program that we cannot mention here to do all this.It is being used for PVP [among all the other cheats that those using them claim don't exhist]
I like the idea of only being able to que one ep and not being able to que another till after the current one explodes.I do beleive that could solve this
however,,,i doubt anything at all will be done about this cheat.Exactly how long has speedhack been out?
But indeed it is a script,,,what most of you here are doing is comparing apples to oranges here thinking they are the same thing.
Thank you! Main reason for doing this was the 100 quid to prove that this can still be done using UOA.
However I just want to highlight this part "not what complaints i have been hearing".
To a lot of people in the heat of battle and unprepared for the triple bomb, certain things tend to seem exaggerated.
- Vid shows the pots going off at different times,,,this is fine and dandy
complaint is that all pots are exploding at the same time
Note that I did not optimize the timing, when optimized, the explosions will go off in closer succession and with less time to spare for the victim. If you take a careful look at the threads again, a good number of people that faced this tactic later recanted that the bombs did not all go off at the same exact instant. They went off in a short sequence. To the uninitiated, the best way to describe this is multiple pots "going off together". When other people hears that, it tends to give the impression that the bombs went off at the same exact 0.00 second instant.
That distinction is very important to determine whether it's done using UOA, scripting or another illegal 3rd party cheat program. You cannot double click multiple potions at the same time to activate them using UOA or scripts.
Then there's also that normal forced "you must wait" delay when using an item.
Hopefully, when others see the clip, they can better tell if it's a UOA macro or some hack that removes the timer (also script programs by themselves do not affect the item-use delay).
- Vid shows pots in sets of 3,,,this is fine and dandy
complaint is that there are numbers greater than this being thrown
Now this can be attributed to exaggerated perception in times of stress. For the unsuspecting player, it appears that they were hit with lots of bombs continuously, our minds tells us that it seems "way more than just 3".
- Vid shows pots all going off in line of sight,,,this is fine and dandy
complaint is that pots ar following players around corners/houses/several screens away and still hitting/doing full damage
There are 2 parts to this. Firstly, if you ever play with someone side by side with you, you'll realize that there's actually some lag time when you compare your positions while running. In the CC, your movement is buffered by 2 tiles while the movement packets are sent to the server. Server receives the packet from you and updates your position in it's memory. When the client of the second player requests an update to the screen, the server then sends the updated position of player 1 to player 2. By the time that player 2 receives the update, player one has already sent the next movement packet. What does this mean? It means that there is lag time. When you see that explosion pot hit you as you turn into a corner, it actually means that when the grenadier threw it, you had not made that corner yet. This is legit and caused by lag.
Secondly, there are cheats that modifies certain tiles. I am note sure, but there's a chance that this will remove the LOS blocking calculations of tiles.
- vid shows uoa macro/ingame mechanics,,,this is fine and dandy
complaint is that someone had a script made or wrote it himself
I don't doubt it's possible to use a script program to do this. Just wanted to explain that it can be done by UOA and let folks know how to spot if it's legit. Hopefully that should stop folks from jumping into the "I am 100% sure it's an illegal script coz UOA can't do this!" bandwagon.
- [i will not name them] for use with that 3rd party program that we cannot mention here to do all this.It is being used for PVP [among all the other cheats that those using them claim don't exhist]
Multiple script programs exists. Other cheats programs exist. There are a group of talented people out there that write their own programs that will never be released to the public.
Exactly! Glad someone understands that. A UOA macro is legit. A 3rd party non-UOPro program script is not legit. There are nuances to both that will allow you to tell which is which. Also, scripts themselves do not allow bypassing timers or throwing of multiple bombs at the same 0.00 instant.
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The War Hero
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I did not read much of this thread past the first 10 posts or so but its pretty clear this is refering directly to alchemist pvpers like Javier on atlantic, who uses archery running shots + explo pots and it is without question very overpowered. However, making a uo macro with assist or thru the game is very hard to do, i have done it but its shaky at best and wont hit 100% of the time like his do, he is using an EUO script, the solution could be getting rid of EUO abusers. I think the real problem here however lies at the movement, explo pots should have to be grounded for like 1 second before they explode, so you can't hit a moving target, this could be done by limiting how long you have to throw it, if the pot is not thrown within 2 seconds, it cannot be thrown, if it is thrown, it will not be fast enough to hit moving targets because it will still have 1 second to explode. Runningshots themselves I think need to be fixed, to cost more mana or do less damage, or not have hitspells, but a runningshot WITH an explo pot, comes down to , 20 from shot, +fireball + velocity + 30-40 explosion, needless to say is grossly overpowered and realistically most people get their base damage doing above 20. This will kill MOST people in 2 shots using nothing else which is ridiculous.
omfg thank you harlequin for posting this.
lol now my miner can defend herself a bit. LOL
Give it all i got and jamming my pickaxe in someone's forehead while throwing explo pots in his face.
hmmm..
I thought this was an other thread directed to Makavweli
lol now my miner can defend herself a bit. LOL
Give it all i got and jamming my pickaxe in someone's forehead while throwing explo pots in his face.
hmmm..
I thought this was an other thread directed to Makavweli