Powerscrolls,,let the masses speak

[Tjalle]

It is always cracks me up everytime someone who plays a production shard says "risk vs reward". If you want real pvp where there is real risk and which is more skill based, there is only Seige.

So sick of hearing people run their mouths about seige, there is a reason no one plays there.

And that reason is fear of losing your stuff upon death...

 

[the 4th man]

You have a point there, but don't forget nobody wants those for free.
Working hard to get them is one thing, having to put up with jerks is another thing.

I left UO when Trammel opened up. In fact, I placed a tower in Trammel and never went back
Back then, we blamed Trammel for the decline of the game.
But now, I realize the game would have died without Trammel.
Most UO players love PvP, or at least many, but not so many like ganking, being raided, or generaly having to deal with behaviors they avoid IRL.

Well said. Felucca would have killed UO. So they incorporated Trammel from the console games. (I still have mine)

I have no problem working for something, it's more appreciated and deserved.
Yet having to put up with the raiding crap? That's bs.

Seige keeps being mentioned.....Seige does not mirror the original days of UO.

Give tram 105's n 110's and you'll see felucca emptier than it is now.

later

 

[Smokin]

Emptier as in you won't see the blues that are willing to work to get a 120 by saving a 100+ scrolls to bind together taking forvever, which usually are the easy kills. The ones they want to force to come to Fel with lets give more to Fel so we can lure people there to kill threads.

Oh and this is for a previous post, yes you can get a totem of void in Fel I am pretty sure they have Mel and the blighted grove. Mel drops it and creatures inside blighted drop it.

 

[Ezekiel Zane]

They have stated many, many times that powerscrolls will not be introduced to Trammel.

They also stated that you would NEVER need to use a powerscroll to achieve something in-game. You would be able to do all things without the need for scrolling.

They changed their mind about that ... whats to say they wont again?

The devs have not only changed their minds many times but the devs themselves have changed bringing new minds into the equation. Doh!

 

[shanshu]

Interesting poll IF you are to take it seriously ATM then you have 47% that say no way nothing for tram you have 37% that say yes all should be in tram but the interesting to me part is 52% think that there should be at least some drops in tram!

Exactly! More than half want things to change. There's something to be said for that.

 

[Viper09]

Where's the option of "NO TO MORE OF THESE THREADS!"?

It's the same crap posted over and over. And "let the masses speak"?
This is stratics...hardly the mass of UO here.

 

[mrrippletip]

there's this myth that makes the round amongst people who never play in Felucca that EVERY SPAWN YOU DO GETS RAIDED

85% of the time you do a spawn you never see anyone but the people who came there with you

i mean, if you don't want to get raided, pick another spawn site other than Despise

my point being is that you have a really good chance of never seeing a red in Fel at a spawn site, if you would just venture out sometime and try it

 

[red sky]

Personally, I understand what the OP and others who favor power scrolls in tram. I've been in that situation and I know how annoying it is (about 5 years ago.) I think the best resolve for this issue would be to allow all power scrolls in the Ilshenar champ spawns but you cannot protect anyone. If you think about it, this makes the most sense because Justice is gained from slaying a murderer which are confined to fell to begin with. Plus, the main point of the Justice virtue to begin with was for those who had the skill to slay murderers and therefore would "protect" those who could not defend off such players at the spawns. So disable using protection at the Ilshenar champ spawns which would limit the max scrolls to 6 and then I find no problem with this idea.

 

[Paps]

fyi i didnt do this for my own guilds benefit,,we do champs in fel.Even if 105 scrolls dropped in ish,,,we would still do champs in fel.I made the poll because i personally wanted to know how many here were both for and against the idea.Yes there were posts on similar topics however those whom are against this idea were intentionally flaming to get the threads locked.Apparently they are afraid that the devs will make 105`s drop in tram.I can picture some of them now going "OH NOES!!!105`S DROP IN TRAM NOW.THAT MEANS 5 YEARS FROM NOW THEY'LL HAVE A 120 THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO BUY FROM US!NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!"
Those against the idea were using underhandedness to get the question off the map.I called the BS card and put it back on the map with this poll.
Its all been kinda comical actually.Theres been plenty of votes that i now know that most do favor the idea of some form of scrolls dropping in the tram ruleset champs.I have the information i seeked,and those silenced by underhanded ways were allowed to speak [by voting]
I kinda wished i had put a 3 day span on the poll now looking back but tbh i didn't think there would be this many votes this fast.Those that did vote [no matter what you voted] TY for voting.Those that voted and didn't try to
or like the avg baby about the idea,,ty for following the simple instructions.All in all i got a good out of it.

 

[Scratch]

you want power scrolls come to fel and get them or buy them .....tram players can make more gold than any fel player.

if they ever let scrolls in tram they need to make all spawn areas fel faceted, you want them you need to fight for em....

 

[A Rev]

actually most of these are easily available in fel in better versions call faction artys.Lets go over your list of things you claim nobody can get in Fel.

1-Orny =wrong = faction version aquired only in fel
2-inquis =wrong = faction version aquired only in fel
3-aof =correct =
4-EVERY imbuing ingredient =correct = this is a crafter ingredient so youre saying your crafters a red?
5-Fey leggings =wrong = faction version aquired only in fel
6-Heart of the lion =wrong = faction version aquired only in fel
7-RBC =wrong = faction version aquired only in fel
8-Stormgrips =wrong = faction version aquired only in fel
9-Hunters headress =wrong = faction version aquired only in fel
10-spirit of the totem =wrong = faction version aquired only in fel
11-totem of the void. =wrong = there are peerless Felside as well

theres also a faction C.C.,ring of the vile,some of the reading glasses,primer on arms,,,,all the faction gear is superior to the tram versions of the same things.So i call the huge BSto that if you claim PS are the `only` thing fel players have.
I hope this post enlightned you on the subject.Now let me get back to my bucket of KFC

LOL you are so unbeleivably wrong!!!

these items are only avalable in fel but until VERY recently the "silver" could be farmed in trammel!!!

These items are available to everyone...hell i see more trammy guilds in factions than i do PvPers!

Besides that point, half of my chars and alot of pvpers probably arent in factions, so i am right.

I dont have a crafter, i have to use other peoples and pay outta the ass for it!!

Der rock...how stupid are you??

Where in that poll does it read 90% saying people dont want scrolls in trammel??

If every person voted against scrolls, 57 would say they dont want them in fel. Mind you i almost guarantee some of the people who voted for 105's to be in tram would vote against any in tram if they had to pick either or!

 

[Eyes of Origin]

this arguement still?????
this is just another Tram vs Fel arguement thread... once again... >=/

where do scrolls belong? Fel...

faction arties are avaliable to anyone and everyone who goes and joins a faction... I see soooo many blues who get them and only use them in Tram, so please let's not even go there.

 

[A Rev]

there's this myth that makes the round amongst people who never play in Felucca that EVERY SPAWN YOU DO GETS RAIDED

85% of the time you do a spawn you never see anyone but the people who came there with you

i mean, if you don't want to get raided, pick another spawn site other than Despise

my point being is that you have a really good chance of never seeing a red in Fel at a spawn site, if you would just venture out sometime and try it

Eventually after losing many spawns, you learn how to defend them. Dont neccersarily need to pvp in order to keep a spawn site either. You will because you grow to love it.

 

[popps]

Interesting poll IF you are to take it seriously ATM then you have 47% that say no way nothing for tram you have 37% that say yes all should be in tram but the interesting to me part is 52% think that there should be at least some drops in tram!
If i where a DEV and trying to make the most people happy I would probably make 105's and 110's available in tram!
I am just looking at the numbers not trying to take sides its all about the haves and the have nots the ones who have them want them all to themselves and the have nots want what they don't have!

Personally, and generally speaking, I do not rely much on Polls because the results not always really show the actual truth.

For example, are Polls on Stratics shielded from players who may want to try to bypass the limit to vote only once for that Poll ?

Depending on the Poll and what protection it has to limit one vote per individual, polls sometimes look at login which can be changed (just make a new account), or IP address which can be changed (same voter but different Ip address for home or work, for example) and so forth.

Unless a Poll has some sound ways to prevent same individuals to vote multiple times, generally speaking I do not think I can buy the results of Polls much....

But that's just me being sceptical, of course.

 

[Smokin]

Eventually after losing many spawns, you learn how to defend them. Dont neccersarily need to pvp in order to keep a spawn site either. You will because you grow to love it.

Well they have been around what 7 and half years now, and I can tell you after all those years lots have never learned how to defend or grown to love it. More they said screw it and not want to go do them because of it.

If you walk on top of the fence you can see in both yards.

 

[GreywolfUK]

I have always thought Fel should have the big ones 115-120 PS's, and stat scrolls, Tram should have 105-110 PS's, that way all playing styles can benefit.

Yes there should be rewards for going to Fel, but not everyone can or likes to pvp, so why not give Tram side the 105-110's and keep the Stat scrolls and the 115-120's in Fel. Maybe even give some other reward for Fel side and only Fel side, like the replica system, there is still a lot of Ultima history that can be milked for replicas.

 

[A Rev]

Well they have been around what 7 and half years now, and I can tell you after all those years lots have never learned how to defend or grown to love it. More they said screw it and not want to go do them because of it.

If you walk on top of the fence you can see in both yards.

Well all i can say to that is these people must be doing something HORRIBLY wrong!!!

7 1/2 years and they still need the scrolls??

Or is it the greed factor?

They/you think if these scrolls are available in trammel you can get a piece of the very small gold pie(top end 120's around 10mil maybe 1 every 30 spawns, average 120's sell for around a mil with maybe 1every 10spawns,bottom end...being most scrolls sell for maybe 500k drop 1 every 3 maybe)???

I started back 2years ago and have 7fully scrolled out chars, one of them has actually eaten 120scrolls for almost every skill out there...and ive only been spawning for 6-12 months. Most of those i got before i even set foot in fel.

I dont actually see the argument here though. Why should they be in tram??

 

[HD2300]

Replicas only in Tram and PS only in Fel.
Or both replicas and all PS in Tram and Fel.

It was ok before when Doom artys were rare because everyone in Doom didnt get one every hour and there werent superior faction artys.

 

[A Rev]

Replicas only in Tram and PS only in Fel.
Or both replicas and all PS in Tram and Fel.

It was ok before when Doom artys were rare because everyone in Doom didnt get one every hour and there werent superior faction artys.

Doom arties are still worth more,

Aof...up to 20mil
Inguis, dropped a bit but still 20-30mil
orny 18mil
spirit of the totem 3mil

These are still ridiculously popular and as you say, can and will drop more frequently than a 120 magery. Which is about the only PS still worth more than 4mil

 

[Smokin]

Inquis don't really count because they are a spawning artifact and only spawn what every 2 months or something. No idea but I know its a long time. Only a select few get them and its scripted and timed out. Its way easier to get the faction ones then a real set. They are scripted and a bad idea for such an artifact to spawn how it does.

As for saying its a greed factor, I am sorry but the ones that are willing to work and piece together a 120 would not be the ones wanting to sell the scrolls. Also who cares you said it yourself they aren't worth much. You have to realize a lot of people play the game to have fun, not just be rich and make money/gold. Do you know how many players I know in the game that barely have a mil and don't care if they do, hundreds. Heck personally I don't even loot gold 75% of the time, mind you I have a lot and If I absolutely need a scroll I can buy it, but I try not to.

You even say, you have only been playing 2 years and have fully scrolled chars and what not. So why does it matter if they are in Tram. They are old news basically. As for being around for along time and not having them, well there are many different reasons, such as game changes, some are against buying anything in game, not having the group to go to get them, BAD LUCK, all sorts.

Instead of fighting against them being in Tram why not say to the Devs, hey let them be in Tram and give something new to Fel. This way people can get the 120s they want and then maybe just maybe with the new thing in Fel they might feel able to compete and want to come there.

 

[popps]

Instead of fighting against them being in Tram why not say to the Devs, hey let them be in Tram and give something new to Fel. This way people can get the 120s they want and then maybe just maybe with the new thing in Fel they might feel able to compete and want to come there.

Personally, I would rather prefer a different approach to help PvP.

Rather than trying to use needed items exclusive of Felucca to force players into Felucca, I would much more prefer that the developers made PvP more viable and open to as many players as possible.

This way, hopefully, without feeling any longer at much of a disadvantage, perhaps more players could be willing to endeavour to Felucca for the sake of the challenge of fighting a human being rather than AI run MoBs.

 

[A Rev]

Inquis don't really count because they are a spawning artifact and only spawn what every 2 months or something. No idea but I know its a long time. Only a select few get them and its scripted and timed out. Its way easier to get the faction ones then a real set. They are scripted and a bad idea for such an artifact to spawn how it does.

As for saying its a greed factor, I am sorry but the ones that are willing to work and piece together a 120 would not be the ones wanting to sell the scrolls. Also who cares you said it yourself they aren't worth much. You have to realize a lot of people play the game to have fun, not just be rich and make money/gold. Do you know how many players I know in the game that barely have a mil and don't care if they do, hundreds. Heck personally I don't even loot gold 75% of the time, mind you I have a lot and If I absolutely need a scroll I can buy it, but I try not to.

You even say, you have only been playing 2 years and have fully scrolled chars and what not. So why does it matter if they are in Tram. They are old news basically. As for being around for along time and not having them, well there are many different reasons, such as game changes, some are against buying anything in game, not having the group to go to get them, BAD LUCK, all sorts.

Instead of fighting against them being in Tram why not say to the Devs, hey let them be in Tram and give something new to Fel. This way people can get the 120s they want and then maybe just maybe with the new thing in Fel they might feel able to compete and want to come there.

To be fair, about the first decent repsonse.

If they where replaced then fine, i can see no problem with having them in trammel.

As it stands though, they should not be on both facets.


Just one note though, the bolded bit...rubbish!!!

If you want something you will work and get it! I did probably close to 100spawns solo before i joined a guild and many more while in the guild solo. Hell i still do them solo if i want a bit of easy gold! (thats gold from the ground, tend to get more there than from 12 scrolls!)

 

[Smokin]

I'm not really sure how well factions work, from what I seen the new things are kind of a failure. If they are not then this maybe be a bad idea.

Anyways, take the faction artifacts away, and put them as champ spawn drops, say with a 2 week use timer that works when it is equipped, this would give in my eyes ample reasons to do Fel champs and with the timer they would be sellable and have to be renewed. Then put all scrolls in Tram. Timer amount is just suggested.

Who knows, like I said I am not a factions person I know it was abused and still is but this is an idea.

 

[Goldberg-Chessy]

This thread isn't for bickering,,,other threads [which some heve been locked]
are/were for that.If you have an opinion regarding the poll,feel free to vote on it.Beyond that please refrain from posting.Thank you and have a nice day.

yes,,,i know it sounds like a broken record.
yes i am well aware that some of you just cant zip it.
yes i know some of you are intentionally trying to
goad people into flaming so the thread will be locked
in hopes of making the `question` go away

i didn't put this here for commentary
i put it here for votes
i personally want to see how EVERYONE
stands on the issue
all i need for that are "votes"
the only person besides the OP here that has a valid post is the one guy
whom wanted to vote for an option that wasn't listed.
everyone else...let your vote do the talking.
Thank you all and have a nice day.

1) If you feel the overwhelming need to RULE your posts maybe you should create your own gaming website and list your polls there son.
Otherwise plz maybe stfu with your incessant whines and let people vote/opine on this most excellent & public forum.

2) PS were created for Fel and have always been in Fel.
I have never seen a valid reason to change this. They are equally obtainable and quite easily purchased if you lack the nerve or skill to obtain them yourself. New players are most certainly not affected by the lack of them and vet players can sleepwalk their way into enough gold to buy any ones they need.
This is a simple 'have', 'have not' issue. Too many sad people playing this game spend too much time worrying/whining about what other people have & too little time just playing and enjoying what they have.
It is so obvious that it Popps right out in front of your eyes when you think about it

3) You chose to beat a dead horse and IMO you are now getting what you deserve. And the replies/flames in this thread are for the most part extremely civil and on-topic(except for mine ofc)

 

[A Rev]

Otherwise plz maybe stfu with your incessant whines and let people vote/opine on this most excellent & public forum.

Did anyone else feel the need to shout "WILD STALLIONS!!"?

 

[Smokin]

Its not a simple have and have not issue. Its part of the game people enjoy, for some reasons others can not do the things you say. I just feel that a change is sometimes needed.

Oh and forgot best 2 out of 3. Damn right.