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sayler04
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Can anyone recommend a pvm template for a tamer/mage that incorporates necro? thx!
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Mage/Necro Tamer?
- Thread starter sayler04
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Cruxshadow
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this works out pretty well, if you didnt want to take everything to 120 you could trim it down so that you put a decent amount into med or eval (i would suggest med). that way you wont be hurting when you get to the no mana level of spawn that cuts back on your wither ability. i have a tamer like this on chessy (but with more skill points due to jewls). i just drag my greater to the altar. and then wither spam the rest of the spawn until champ pops. works out pretty well. would be great if you could also get peace thrown on there...
I'd thought of that too, but say he's human, are you going to get a significant enough amount of med over just taking JoaT?
I could see shaving maybe 40 points off the other skills, but is it worth it when you could have them all 120'd and 20 med/focus from JoaT?
I could see shaving maybe 40 points off the other skills, but is it worth it when you could have them all 120'd and 20 med/focus from JoaT?
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Cruxshadow
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you dont really need 120 necro, depending on what you are trying to accomplish, also, if magery is just going to be an auxilliary skill, why take it to 120 also? i dunno about vet (is there a huge difference from 100 to 120?) but i assume you would want 120 taming and lore to tame yourself some uber-whatevers, 120 SS for higher SDI on your wither spam,100-110 magery (110 if you want a better chance on EVs, but if it were me id just stick with 100 since you will have pets out usually anyways) i think you would be ok with 80-100 or so necro as well. that potentially could save you from 20-80 skill points (depending on what cuts you make). i say all this assuming that your primary focus will be soloing champ spawns, so if im wrong, excuse me.
so that would leave you with something lookin like this:
120 taming
120 lore
100 vet
100 magery
120 SS
80 necro
80 med
and that tactics are just, drag your GD to alter (cant use the petball in champ area), go into wraith form, wither until champ pops, sick greater and heal it up. take in lots of SDI gear for higher powered withers.
so that would leave you with something lookin like this:
120 taming
120 lore
100 vet
100 magery
120 SS
80 necro
80 med
and that tactics are just, drag your GD to alter (cant use the petball in champ area), go into wraith form, wither until champ pops, sick greater and heal it up. take in lots of SDI gear for higher powered withers.
I'm assuming 120 magery will be with a mage wep of some sort, so I never really consider less than 120 in your main combat/defensive skill. You could get by without it, but it'll save you a lot of deaths when things go bad or you get raided.
I also prefer 120 vet for no fail pet res. If anything, lore can be sacrificed before vet. 120 taming and 100 lore gives you 100% control chance, but 110 lore is handy for loring everything. 110 lore and 110 vet could be acceptable, I suppose.
I also prefer 120 vet for no fail pet res. If anything, lore can be sacrificed before vet. 120 taming and 100 lore gives you 100% control chance, but 110 lore is handy for loring everything. 110 lore and 110 vet could be acceptable, I suppose.
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Cruxshadow
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I think your main combat/defensive skill would probably end up being the GIGANTIC DRAGON... besides, you would want to have one od those nasty SDI spellbooks equiped. and if the **** did hit the fan and you got raided, you could equip a staff of pyros or some swords of prosp, with lower -mage. but... to be honest, this will be a pvm char so your best bet if you get raided is to hide, slink off, and start spawning at one of the other more remote locations around the vast empty shard where no one will find you for months. If you plan on only spawning in despise, be ready for raids. if you do it elsewhere, you probably good as long as no one jumps your gate.
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Cruxshadow
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you could also put those extra points into wrestling, so your withers will get interupted less (or do the -0 mage wep)
Cast protection and your withers will never get interrupted.
115 taming
110 lore
90 vet
120 mage
100 necro
100 SS
85 med
Run 120 mage weap, and a ring with +Mage, Luck, luck, whatever else. Won't be interrupted much.
110 lore
90 vet
120 mage
100 necro
100 SS
85 med
Run 120 mage weap, and a ring with +Mage, Luck, luck, whatever else. Won't be interrupted much.
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Cruxshadow
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too slow. i ran like this on chessy for a bit and it just took forever
This will be for PvM I am assuming...
Bless AOF
Run Jaana's Staff
Use Luck bracelet or ring with 100 luck/15DCI.
Tada.
Bless AOF
Run Jaana's Staff
Use Luck bracelet or ring with 100 luck/15DCI.
Tada.
This.
Bless a faction orny; run an imbued 1/2 with 13 mage and two other mods of your choice. Run a raction rbc; make the other 5 pieces 17 lrc, mr 1 imbued pieces; thats a total of 11 mr and 25 lmc. Use a tossaway sc mage weap penalty does not matter because the 1/2 offsets the -1 penalty. This is the set up I like to run on my disco tamer; would work just as well with the above mentioned temp.
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sayler04
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and how about stats? str & int, with low dex yes?
and it would be okay to skip eval? that wont seriously injure my magery ability?
and it would be okay to skip eval? that wont seriously injure my magery ability?
100/50/125. Simply because you don't want to be EXP painspiked by a PKer and have 0 stam, and over 100 str is kinda useless. As far as magery, it isn't affected by eval, only offensive spell damage.
No eval negates damage spells, mana vamp, buffs and de-buffs, but all your heals, cures, fields, Summons, Ev's, dispels etc still work fine. Mindblast and Poison also work nicely.
oh yea, GO GARGOYLE; Mounted speed when flying without a pet control slot cost. You can run run your greater and still be at mounted speed.
Why would casting speed be a problem? I run necro tamer with protect on and I can solo a rat spawn. Its not like you need to do a ton of fast casting, the dragon does all the work after u wither spam the first 2 levels.
Not being a smartass, I am curious. I've never considered casting speed an issue on a pvm tamer...
Agree. I soloed a rat spawn the other day with my necro mage up til 4th, hid him, logged him in on the other computer to protect then took control of my discord tamer to finish off lvl 4 and the champ. I pretty much ran the whole champ with protect on.
What is the point of 100necro?
And has why has no one bothered asking dude why he wants necro and mage for? This is PvM...?
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100 necro for wither; Im at 97 and still fizzle occasionally.
120 mage for mage weapon, transport, Healing the pet froma distance if need be, and various other utility spells. Yes it's for pvm.
First of all, why be tamer with necro. If all you're gonna do is pvm just go necro. Taming isn't gonna help ya abit. if ya wanna do a champ ur gonna need more than a tamer alone. you could sit there for an hour just tryin to kill coon by urself.
Way behind the curve bud...i solo a spawn with MI on my disco tamer
Umm I burn through it fast on necro; the tamer is just for the mop up.Way behind the curve bud...i solo a spawn with MI on my disco tamer
I could run around on the discord tamer casting evs then pet ball the drag in but why bother; I get all 12 scrolls my way and probably do it in half the time
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eh, leave the champ swamp some skills around and come back as a discord tamer to mop up the champ or havea buddy with you that has discord. Necro tamer is great for the lower levels.
/facepalm
I find it funny know one mentioned wearing a bloodwood spirit tally
I have reg necro for spawns, and he is capped at 100 necro and 110 SS
with the tally 5 necro and 15 ssi you hit the amount of necro needed to not fail wither and get max sdi with 120 ss.
I run an LRC suit with 59 SDI and wither all 4 levels with np, and my toon is a garg, if human you can get 80++ sdi and really move!
Protection is a must, unless you have 120 wrest. Why would you ever want to use a mage wep when you can hold a 30 sdi book!
I have reg necro for spawns, and he is capped at 100 necro and 110 SS
with the tally 5 necro and 15 ssi you hit the amount of necro needed to not fail wither and get max sdi with 120 ss.
I run an LRC suit with 59 SDI and wither all 4 levels with np, and my toon is a garg, if human you can get 80++ sdi and really move!
Protection is a must, unless you have 120 wrest. Why would you ever want to use a mage wep when you can hold a 30 sdi book!
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Essence of Siege
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Going Garg will ruin your RBC wearing, but really not enough that it makes up for Mount Speed IMO.
When you're friend says he has a problem with his girlfriend and then you start telling him all about how to please her in bed... only to find out that the problem he's having has nothing to do with sex.
/facepalm
He mentions PvM and then skill sets that should raise anyone's eyebrows.
Depending on what he was wanting to use magery and necro for change the templates... or may make it impossible to have.
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Cruxshadow
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OT sorry, Draxous, your PM inbox is full. are you the blackrain guy who owns the first large tower north of minoc?
"Can anyone recommend a pvm template for a tamer/mage that incorporates necro? thx!"
This is what the man asked for.
This is the answer he got;
"115 taming
110 lore
90 vet
120 mage
100 necro
100 SS
85 med"
Umm it fits?
I assume maybe he is wanting to be able to solo a rat spawn. This template could do so although killing the champ could be somewhat time consuming w/o discord.
He asked about a specific template.
Reading comp FTW.
I'll bite tho..What do you think he should do with his template?
This is the temp I run on my mage for champs..
120 eval
100 mage
100 necro
70 med
100 anat
100 ss
120 resist,gm hide,120 parry or gm inscribe depending on my mood
.I use a blessed mr 3 spellbook with sdi, a crystaline ring, bless an orni, wear an rbc, and the rest of my pieces are all custome imbued to give me all 70's resists 17 lrc ea., and mr1. Only thing I am lacking is is maxed out lmc and i could tweak the suit to allow myself to wear a kaza as well thereby bumping my sdi a bit higher. I also usually wear one of those +5 necro, +10 ss totems.
Imbuing could allow this temp to work as well..
110 tame
110 lore
80 vet
90 necro
90 ss
120 music
120 disco
imbue a suit up with mr/lmc, go garg so you have mounted movement, use a blessed mr3 spellbook, bless an orni, and run an imbued 0/3 with 10 necro, 10 ss, 10 vet, and 10 sdi. Sucks to not be able to run an rbc but mounted speed on a shown temp trumps that all to hell and back.
Travel, mana, and dexers could be issues, and a good supply of heals and cures are a must.
P.S.
110 tame
110 lore
80 vet
90 necro
90 ss
120 music
120 disco
imbue a suit up with mr/lmc, go garg so you have mounted movement, use a blessed mr3 spellbook, bless an orni, and run an imbued 0/3 with 10 necro, 10 ss, 10 vet, and 10 sdi. Sucks to not be able to run an rbc but mounted speed on a shown temp trumps that all to hell and back.
Travel, mana, and dexers could be issues, and a good supply of heals and cures are a must.
P.S.
Yes I am. I also own the small house sitting next to the tower.
Let's break this down... since you didn't get what I was saying.
For starters, since this is for PvM... 70magery is all you need if it's a support skill (never fizzle greater heal and you can use gate scrolls to get around.)
Second, depending on what he will use necro for... he can have as little as 40 or as much as 105.
Precarious set of skills he's asking to be combined... sounds newbish to me because I'd figure a necro tamer would be going for the whammy whirlwind tamer approach to champ spawning (w/100% area effect weap)
Otherwise... he just likes the skills, wants to use them regardless of the benefits drawbacks. If that's the case... then he should play with it until he finds what he enjoys.
greater heal wand + orange petals
120ss
120necro
120eval
120magery
120med
120resist
Standard -mage weapon faction suit (protection proof, corpse proof, 100%LRC 30%LMC 45%DCI 2/6casting and 5ish MR.) use totem of the void if you want 40%LMC... really not needed tho.
While doing the spawn: make sure the spell protection is active, eat orange petals and equip a greater heal wand. You can whither, spirit speak AND drink pots while the greater heal cursor is up. If you get low on health... simply click yourself. You can even bring a slayer spell book with you and dump on the champ at the end of it.
And to top it all off... the character is PvP worthy. Your template tho... I dunno what it is, but I'd be hesitant to PvP with it.
Ok... so I've typed to much. I'm done.
Bye byes.
You assumed... maybe... k. You should of stopped right there.
Depends on what he says he wants to use this template for. Its a curious combination...
For starters, since this is for PvM... 70magery is all you need if it's a support skill (never fizzle greater heal and you can use gate scrolls to get around.)
Second, depending on what he will use necro for... he can have as little as 40 or as much as 105.
Precarious set of skills he's asking to be combined... sounds newbish to me because I'd figure a necro tamer would be going for the whammy whirlwind tamer approach to champ spawning (w/100% area effect weap)
Otherwise... he just likes the skills, wants to use them regardless of the benefits drawbacks. If that's the case... then he should play with it until he finds what he enjoys.
No offense tibs, but that's a ******** template.This is the temp I run on my mage for champs..
120 eval
100 mage
100 necro
70 med
100 anat
100 ss
120 resist,gm hide,120 parry or gm inscribe depending on my mood
I use a blessed mr 3 spellbook with sdi, a crystaline ring, bless an orni, wear an rbc, and the rest of my pieces are all custome imbued to give me all 70's resists 17 lrc ea., and mr1. Only thing I am lacking is is maxed out lmc and i could tweak the suit to allow myself to wear a kaza as well thereby bumping my sdi a bit higher. I also usually wear one of those +5 necro, +10 ss totems.
greater heal wand + orange petals
120ss
120necro
120eval
120magery
120med
120resist
Standard -mage weapon faction suit (protection proof, corpse proof, 100%LRC 30%LMC 45%DCI 2/6casting and 5ish MR.) use totem of the void if you want 40%LMC... really not needed tho.
While doing the spawn: make sure the spell protection is active, eat orange petals and equip a greater heal wand. You can whither, spirit speak AND drink pots while the greater heal cursor is up. If you get low on health... simply click yourself. You can even bring a slayer spell book with you and dump on the champ at the end of it.
And to top it all off... the character is PvP worthy. Your template tho... I dunno what it is, but I'd be hesitant to PvP with it.
Ok... so I've typed to much. I'm done.
Bye byes.
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Cruxshadow
Guest
would you wanna sell that tower, we're tryin to expand barter town hehe? please icq me 216541055. sorry about the ot guys
I've been runnign that template with sligth adjustments alot lately. I burn through a champ spawn in no time flat. Suit is cheaper because I bless an orny instead of a weapon; only time Ive died in pvp with this template and it's variations is when I stayed on the field after burning though all my cures, and heals; even then It took four to bring me down.
No. I own multiple houses on the same account in this game.
The house is a public establishment (and has been so for 5+ years now.) For all intensive purposes, you can consider me Lord of barter town. I expect to be addressed as such... sire is acceptable too.
You'll notice I've tailored my establishment to fit with your towns culture... that's the most I can offer you.
For someone that spends most of his time playing the my **** don't stink game, that's a pretty solid ROFL.
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sayler04
Guest
Thats probably closest to my reasons, though not exactly.
I'm not a newb, just a newb to siege. Mage/tamer is my most successful template on carebear shards, and the one I'm most familiar with. Thus, starting out on siege I wanted something relatively familiar that I knew how to control and use well. On the other hand, though, I am also thinking that maybe a new shard is time for a new template. Thus, I want to incorporate an unfamiliar skill into a familiar template so I can still survive while running something new in the beginning. Later on, once I'm comfortable with necro, I might stone off some skills in favor of others.
Basically, I want to try something new without totally venturing out of my comfort zone, at least at first.
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Hugibear
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Drax your necro mage temp is outdated a bit for siege. I'll admit it can be run but you need to move really really really fast. You run that necro mage temp on siege now you will die fast. No matter if you are running 70 dci or not, when you are gettin nailed with 6 armor ignores you are bound to get hit with about 3 of them. Imbuing has changed things a bit, your ideas are now a bit out-dated.
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