Getting unhidden in dungeons ?

[popps]

While doing the Halloween Quest I found out that at times my cover for using the essence gets blown up by some MoBs.

No, I know that walking over a trap blows the cover, I am referring to actual MoBs blowing it, NOT traps.

What gives ? I thought the essence cover was 100% towards MoBs, it is not so ?

This also happens, sometimes, when opening doors in dungeons and walking through them. There is NO trap labelled and yet, something happens that blows my cover.

I have a stealther and have gone back to the same door and even when stealthed, when opening the doors and walking through them, I get unhidden.
No, there is no trap labelled as such by the door.

So, I do not understand what is happening here that blows the essence cover or unhides when stealthing.

Lastly, I remembered that when gating hidden one would keep the hiding. I have been trying it now but even though I initiate the gating hidden when I land on the arrival spot my hiding gets lost.

Anyone knows ?

 

[Mapper]

Some monsters, like snow elementals emit cold damage to a certain radius so stealthing past one may make you appear. I assume its similar for other mobs.

 

[slaveone]

The fire gargoyles do this in the bottom of hythloth as well. You just have to know your mobs and what they are capable of. Once you know that avoid the ones who emit low level elemental damage as this is most likly the cause of this. I've yet to have this happen to me any time other than when i hit a trap or get to close to an enemy that emits low level elemental damage causing you to be transformed just by being near them.

 

[ACB1961]

The fire gargoyles do this in the bottom of hythloth as well. You just have to know your mobs and what they are capable of. Once you know that avoid the ones who emit low level elemental damage as this is most likly the cause of this. I've yet to have this happen to me any time other than when i hit a trap or get to close to an enemy that emits low level elemental damage causing you to be transformed just by being near them.

Its not just the mobs we've been posting about this for a while now.

I've come unhidden standing in my house 3 times.

Its not reseting skills, its not aura effects. It's just not 100% so keep your finger on your recall as you do this. People keep saying its different things, but trust me if you're standing in your house & it happens its just messed up.

 

[slaveone]

Its not just the mobs we've been posting about this for a while now.

I've come unhidden standing in my house 3 times.

Its not reseting skills, its not aura effects. It's just not 100% so keep your finger on your recall as you do this. People keep saying its different things, but trust me if you're standing in your house & it happens its just messed up.

Hasn't happened to me in my house or anywhere else for that matter other than what i stated in my first post but then again i'm not living & breathing this quest as you are apparently so i guess you'd know better than I.

But considering the quest ends in a few days even if there is an issue it's not gonna be fixed before it's over so i fail to see the reason in arguing about it being something "unknown"

 

[LordDrago]

While doing the Halloween Quest I found out that at times my cover for using the essence gets blown up by some MoBs.

No, I know that walking over a trap blows the cover, I am referring to actual MoBs blowing it, NOT traps.

What gives ? I thought the essence cover was 100% towards MoBs, it is not so ?

This also happens, sometimes, when opening doors in dungeons and walking through them. There is NO trap labelled and yet, something happens that blows my cover.

I have a stealther and have gone back to the same door and even when stealthed, when opening the doors and walking through them, I get unhidden.
No, there is no trap labelled as such by the door.
So, I do not understand what is happening here that blows the essence cover or unhides when stealthing.

Lastly, I remembered that when gating hidden one would keep the hiding. I have been trying it now but even though I initiate the gating hidden when I land on the arrival spot my hiding gets lost.

Anyone knows ?

Squeeky door is giving you away. Next time do what I do and bring some oil.

 

[Kellgory]

It's happened to me several times so your not alone. Luckly I'm on a bard so I usually just area peace and recall away. Not sure why it happens, but I also notice that when my essence runs out and I go to collect more of the little white crystals the first time you get hit there is a pop sound like your getting knocked out of form.

 

[Flutter]

Maybe you should quit complaining so much on Stratics and get some better skills? Learn how the game works? You know... stuff like that?

 

[Harb]

Flutter you're not the only one, but what is it with some of you guys and "popps?" The poor guy can't make even a legit post and not get swacked by a bunch of you folks who are normally decent to all the rest of us! I'm as, if not moreso, combative by nature than most, but for Christ's sake - "peace."

 

[Flutter]

Flutter you're not the only one, but what is it with some of you guys and "popps?" The poor guy can't make even a legit post and not get swacked by a bunch of you folks who are normally decent to all the rest of us! I'm as, if not moreso, combative by nature than most, but for Christ's sake - "peace."

Maybe if he posted just once... JUST ONCE... something that wasn't a cry, rant, spiel, complaint, or flat-out tantrum, people would take him more seriously if he ever does make a "legit post".

 

[Viper09]

Nothing unusual here. Been this way for a long time. Getting revealed in dungeons happens from time to time. As for getting revealed after going through a summoned gate, again, been that way for a long time.

 

[popps]

Maybe you should quit complaining so much on Stratics and get some better skills? Learn how the game works? You know... stuff like that?

I need to dissent.

You see, if I see that we got a whole process designed within an event, the 2009 Halloween Event, to provide players cover to then recover Lingering Essence and the whole thing is tightly timed, what else can I conclude that the cover was needed, necessary and therefore provided so that players could meet their Lingering Essence recovery within the time out frame ?

But if the cover is only a "partial" cover because area spell MoBs can blow it away then something ain't working right, IMHO.

Why not ?

Because if players need to beat the timer, players need to run all over looking for Lingering Essence perhaps even in competition with other players. Essences which, mind you, often spawn even in unreachable locations blocking the spawn of harvestable ones in reachable locations. And when players are running all over, they may overlook wheteher a MoB is or not an area attack one that could blow their cover. After all, the focus is on spotting Lingering Essence and recovering them before the timer expires.

Bottom line is, given the way the Event was designed, that players have to beat the timer, I think the cover should have been total towards MoBs, including those with an area effect attack. The traps are ok, they can be seen and avoided even when running but area effect MoBs I find it only a useless nuisance capable of making it not possible for the player to beat the timer and thus wasting work already done (for example the activation of the shortly timed Corporeal Essence which can take a lengthy time to create...).

 

[jbfortune]

You don't HAVE to do anything.

 

[popps]

You don't HAVE to do anything.

And what is that supposed to mean if I may ask ?

What I am saying, is that if design requires a cover to allow players to beat the short timer well, I would expect that cover to work in all encounters with MoBs, including those having an area effect so that players could focus on finding and recovering Lingering Essences rather than having to stop checking out area effect MoBs blocking access to spawned Essences and having to waste time recalling elsewhere to find others without area effect MoBs.

 

[Lord Gareth]

*Face Plant*​

You got your answer. Now why on earth are you discussing how or it should be setup? Thats how it is setup and thats that. Doesn't it end in 4 days anyways?
Now your just fishing for someone to argue with you and debate why the cover should be for everything.

 

[Maggie]

I believe going through player made gates has always revealed me. I ve been playing a stealthy character ever since the Magincia invasions.

Fixed gates like moongates and gates between levels in shame. those do not reveal.

 

[LordDrago]

I need to dissent.

Popps....the man...the myth...the legend...

perhaps there is supposed to be a chance that the disguise will fail. Just like stealth, I sometimes am "revealed".

tactic - leave the ao, re-engage monster form, continue with mission.

 

[Petra Fyde]

Passive detect maybe?

 

[Harlequin]

Popps, you are thinking in only 1 aspect. The idea of getting dumped from monster form when you take damage is likely to prevent enterprising players (erm...like myself) from abusing it in certain ways during hunts...

I am quite impressed that they have thought of this and I think it's a very good design. The level of thought they put into this simple quest shows that they have catered to varying players - mages/warriors/siege/prodo shards/pvm'rs/pvp'rs and even came up with ways to deter cheaters/scripters.

Most admirably, the latter was done via the mechanics of the quests, implemented in a way that do not offer these cheaters/scripters any significant advantages.



You mentioned in a previous post that you don't see the point of participating in this event. So now that you are participating, have you changed your mind and think this is a worthwhile event to participate in?

It is your desire that they do things in such a way that do not give cheaters an advantage, this event meet that requirement.

All along, you have also mentioned you prefer open events that everyone can participate and on equal basis. This event meet those requirements.

I've not heard you mention any of these.

 

[JL from Europa]

I lost my 30m suit that way last weekend and some crystals! Or actually, because I forgot to check my back account before I started questing. Couldn't get to my corpse on lvl4 Hythloth in time, I kinda underestimated the difficulty of running away from a mob in there, it all went terribly wrong.