Can we do something about the machine gun explode pots?

[Bombastic Fail]

We are all aware of how these "certain" people do it, is there a way to make it so its not possible? I played on a freeshard where this was a problem before (everyone used "special" ways to throw mass pots, it was the only way to pvp) and they changed the delay of how many explosion pots could be thrown per second.

I just hope this way doesn't make the EA/Real Shards pvp just like the freeshard pvp where every fight turns into moving shots & explode pots.

 

[Viper09]

We are all aware of how these "certain" people do it, is there a way to make it so its not possible? I played on a freeshard where this was a problem before (everyone used "special" ways to throw mass pots, it was the only way to pvp) and they changed the delay of how many explosion pots could be thrown per second.

I just hope this way doesn't make the EA/Real Shards pvp just like the freeshard pvp where every fight turns into moving shots & explode pots.

Ugh, do you actually see this a lot on the real shards? Or are you just posting this after seeing it on a fake shard?

I ask only because I haven't seen anyone do this, at least effectively lmao. Because if it isn't effective then it's not a real problem, lol.

 

[Bombastic Fail]

Ugh, do you actually see this a lot on the real shards? Or are you just posting this after seeing it on a fake shard?

I ask only because I haven't seen anyone do this, at least effectively lmao. Because if it isn't effective then it's not a real problem, lol.

This has been happening on the Great Lakes shard. I pvp on GL, Chessy, LS, and Cats. Mostly the same faction [TB], but there are like 20 guilds in the TB faction on GL

 

[Restroom Cowboy]

Ugh, do you actually see this a lot on the real shards? Or are you just posting this after seeing it on a fake shard?

I ask only because I haven't seen anyone do this, at least effectively lmao. Because if it isn't effective then it's not a real problem, lol.

Yes...this happens a lot. Atlantic shard is bad with script kiddies and delayed explo pots. (and yes I realize you can UOA a macro for delayed pots...but not with 100% effectiveness that allows for use of specs in between.)

 

[Arabella]

This has been happening on the Great Lakes shard. I pvp on GL, Chessy, LS, and Cats. Mostly the same faction [TB], but there are like 20 guilds in the TB faction on GL

You don't need a special program to chug pots at ppl, I use last object/last target and chase ppl around (which is hilarous) tossing them as fast as you can......but there are times when I do blow myself up!

 

[Alezi]

You don't need a special program to chug pots at ppl, I use last object/last target and chase ppl around (which is hilarous) tossing them as fast as you can......but there are times when I do blow myself up!

I believe the people are talking about homing explosion pots.

 

[Bombastic Fail]

I believe the people are talking about homing explosion pots.

Multiply homing explode pots!! 3-5 at a time. (Approx 3-5 a sec, with 0 ep does 20-25 damage per, and between 30-40 per with 50/80 [Alchemy] EP!]

Its really lame :/

1 Explode Pot Per second anyone?

 

[Xalan Dementia]

A Patch a day, keeps the scripters away. if only they would start droppin a small patch every day or so.

 

[RaDian FlGith]

It happens, and it's not an exploit, not "that program" everyone thinks it is... it's something you'd probably never suspect:

It's the Enhanced Client.

And it's been doing it since the days of the Kingdom Reborn client.

No exploit, just bad programming.

 

[Lorax_Pacific]

We are all aware of how these "certain" people do it, is there a way to make it so its not possible? I played on a freeshard where this was a problem before (everyone used "special" ways to throw mass pots, it was the only way to pvp) and they changed the delay of how many explosion pots could be thrown per second.

I just hope this way doesn't make the EA/Real Shards pvp just like the freeshard pvp where every fight turns into moving shots & explode pots.

I'm talking real shard right now...

Remember Castle Siege back before trammel and I don't know how long ago, but it was a big event. It was hilarious everyone running in the castle and the mages on the stairs just casting and our corpses were pilling up. Man it didn't turn out well for the attackers. There were probably a 100 of us and I think we all had modems back then. It was exciting and fun.


Anyway, to the point. After dying and deciding not to run back in the front door I thought it would be funny to throw explosion potions at the guys on the roof watching us from above. (They were probably spitting on us and wishing they could dump hot oil, but...I digress) It turned out I couldn't throw that high...

So my friend was a GM tinkerer and we used to lay bomb chests on trails like at the crossroads and full of logs. So an unsuspecting person would pick it up and open it. Or, we would put it in a tent and someone would come buy checking the chests to find an open one...Dang I digressed again.

Anyhow, I was below the castle front steps and throwing the potions up and not reaching them. I was watching them and laughing (not noticing the explosion timer wasn't on them) and waiting for them to die...I exploded from about 5 pots simultaneous.

So the moral of the story is if you throw a potion guage the distance before the toss. Otherwise its a mess. BTW, we were on pacific and our main town was Vesper. If we ever killed you it could be a pleasant fun story to hear your perspective.

-Lorax

 

[Malador]

It happens, and it's not an exploit, not "that program" everyone thinks it is... it's something you'd probably never suspect:

It's the Enhanced Client.

And it's been doing it since the days of the Kingdom Reborn client.

No exploit, just bad programming.

People been doing this since long before KR

 

[Splup]

Yeah Explopots are being used on Europa too.

Only way to beat these guys is to break their line of sight. Otherwise you are Toast. These pots hit you even while running...

Gotta love GM alchemy 75 EP archer with Velocity Lightning composite using moving shot and explopots... Like I said, if you don't break line of sight you are toast.

 

[Harlequin]

Yeah Explopots are being used on Europa too.

Only way to beat these guys is to break their line of sight. Otherwise you are Toast. These pots hit you even while running...

Gotta love GM alchemy 75 EP archer with Velocity Lightning composite using moving shot and explopots... Like I said, if you don't break line of sight you are toast.

Yup, breaking LOS works. I like smoke bombs.

Alternatively, you can also try a suicide-run up to the bomber. He will be caught by the AOE. But this is a bit iffy.

 

[MalagAste]

Actually the new enhanced client macro system allows you to do things WAY faster than UOA does.

But yes a timer would be good.

 

[o2bavr6]

Have you considered moving or running?

 

[Konge]

Have you considered moving or running?

Apparently, you didn't read the posts that say "This hits you even while running."

 

[o2bavr6]

Apparently, you didn't read the posts that say "This hits you even while running."

Actually I did, and I have had people try it on me.

It seems the pot follows you until it hits the ground, once it hits the ground you can move so it doesn't damage you.

At least this is the experience I have had.

 

[Makaveli]

Yeah Explopots are being used on Europa too.

Only way to beat these guys is to break their line of sight. Otherwise you are Toast. These pots hit you even while running...

Gotta love GM alchemy 75 EP archer with Velocity Lightning composite using moving shot and explopots... Like I said, if you don't break line of sight you are toast.

i do beleive thats me ure talking about??? its no bug or anything uoassit and its been around since day one of uo... adapt and dont forget my dread mare aswell

 

[JC the Builder]

Actually I did, and I have had people try it on me.

It seems the pot follows you until it hits the ground, once it hits the ground you can move so it doesn't damage you.

At least this is the experience I have had.

The good ones time it so the potion explodes the moment it hits the ground. You don't have a chance to escape by moving.

 

[Makaveli]

The good ones time it so the potion explodes the moment it hits the ground. You don't have a chance to escape by moving.

that would be me but man its been around since day one of uo... why change it now all u have to do is run round a tree or go round a house and the damage goes straight to me... or invis even evasion works its not as lame as u think its another skill like magery which never misses but i kill myself like 5 times a day because people go round houses... they still get the kill for it so i dont see the big fuss[

 

[JC the Builder]

Throwing one at a time is not the issue. Using a script to manage a machine gun effect where one explodes on your moving target every second is. This is one of the rare cases where it is literally impossible to achieve without a script or unapproved third party program.

 

[o2bavr6]

Throwing one at a time is not the issue. Using a script to manage a machine gun effect where one explodes on your moving target every second is. This is one of the rare cases where it is literally impossible to achieve without a script or unapproved third party program.

Question: Has anyone just stood next to the person throwing the pots? Wont they damage them as well?

I guess the pot caster would just run around, while script casting the pots. Interesting tactic, but I've never seen them timed so well that I couldn't get away.

I would love to meet someone on TC1 who does it so I can test trying to get away from them.

 

[Demonous]

We are all aware of how these "certain" people do it, is there a way to make it so its not possible? I played on a freeshard where this was a problem before (everyone used "special" ways to throw mass pots, it was the only way to pvp) and they changed the delay of how many explosion pots could be thrown per second.

I just hope this way doesn't make the EA/Real Shards pvp just like the freeshard pvp where every fight turns into moving shots & explode pots.

if you have gm alchemy with 50 ep, you should be able to throw a full keg of exp pots and kill everyone in a 5 tile radius of where it lands

 

[MalagAste]

Throwing one at a time is not the issue. Using a script to manage a machine gun effect where one explodes on your moving target every second is. This is one of the rare cases where it is literally impossible to achieve without a script or unapproved third party program.

It is NOT a script nor a 3rd party program..... OK ...... told you once telling you again and again and again till you get it......

IT IS THE ENHANCED CLIENT...

USING THE ENHANCED CLIENT AND IT'S TARGETING SYSTEM ALLOWS YOU TO THROW THINGS AT AN EXTREMELY ALARMING RATE...

Don't believe me? Then I invite you to come to GL's and bring a pie... I'll have Martyna demonstrate this effect for you... Trust me.... she does NOT use a 3rd party program to spam them...

 

[Divster]

Fine its achieavable without a script, it still needs addressing the timer on pots being thrown should start with them being thrown not with them exploding or however it is achieved, it is not another skill like magery and it is lame, not matter how hard you try and defend it maka

 

[KrazyFrog]

Simple... 2x click a expo pot. Get a target (pot is NOT counting down). Target who you want to use it on. Pot gets tossed and the timer begins.

Problem all solved. There really is no reason for an expo pot to have its explode timer begin until after you have targeted what or where you want to toss it.

 

[JC the Builder]

It is NOT a script nor a 3rd party program..... OK ...... told you once telling you again and again and again till you get it......

IT IS THE ENHANCED CLIENT...

USING THE ENHANCED CLIENT AND IT'S TARGETING SYSTEM ALLOWS YOU TO THROW THINGS AT AN EXTREMELY ALARMING RATE...

Don't believe me? Then I invite you to come to GL's and bring a pie... I'll have Martyna demonstrate this effect for you... Trust me.... she does NOT use a 3rd party program to spam them...

We are not talking about throwing potions really fast. We are talking about activating a potion, cancelling the target cursor, activating a second potion, canceling the target cursor, activating a third potion, canceling the target cursor, re-activating the first potion and throwing, re-activating the second potion and throwing, finally re-activating the third potion and throwing. This causes a machine gun effect where 3 potions land in 3 seconds and all explode on you even if you are moving.

You can not make an Enchanced Client macro to do that. You could make a UOAssist macro to do this but it will only work once. You have to reset it every time.

 

[GarthGrey]

Simple... 2x click a expo pot. Get a target (pot is NOT counting down). Target who you want to use it on. Pot gets tossed and the timer begins.

Problem all solved. There really is no reason for an expo pot to have its explode timer begin until after you have targeted what or where you want to toss it.

Yeah, thats the fix. Nerf them into worthlessness...

 

[Sevin0oo0]

can we do something about mob machine gun spell casting?
0 spell cast time is BS!

 

[Bombastic Fail]

I personally don't think you should be able to activate the pot, then cancel it, then REactivate it before the timer goes off. Nothing else in this game (Correct me if I'm wrong though?) is able to do that. With that and either an EXTREMELY ridicious macro or (of course) scripts to do this, it makes it insanely overpowered.

(0EP to 70 (MAX) fire does between 17-30 an explode pot).
(50EP to 70 (MAX) fire does betweem 23-40 an explode pot).

Didn't check 50 ep + alchemy.

(AKA 80EP, But I would hazard a guess of 28-45) *REMEMBER; NOT CONFIRMED*


SO either make it so you CANT cancel out the cursor (causing it to be thrown before you can attempt another one? hence no "5 at once" pots)

OR

1 Per Second? (Which would in theory be the same thing, right?)

Anyone one else got better ideas or comments? =]

 

[Freelsy]

I personally don't think you should be able to activate the pot, then cancel it, then REactivate it before the timer goes off. Nothing else in this game (Correct me if I'm wrong though?) is able to do that. With that and either an EXTREMELY ridicious macro or (of course) scripts to do this, it makes it insanely overpowered.

(0EP to 70 (MAX) fire does between 17-30 an explode pot).
(50EP to 70 (MAX) fire does betweem 23-40 an explode pot).

Didn't check 50 ep + alchemy.

(AKA 80EP, But I would hazard a guess of 28-45) *REMEMBER; NOT CONFIRMED*


SO either make it so you CANT cancel out the cursor (causing it to be thrown before you can attempt another one? hence no "5 at once" pots)

OR

1 Per Second? (Which would in theory be the same thing, right?)

Anyone one else got better ideas or comments? =]

Pretty sure EP is capped at 50. Now you can get a bonus with alchemy, but for the purposes of wearing EP items its capped at 50.

 

[Coppelia]

Make pots drop at your feet when you cancel the target. Solved.

 

[Bombastic Fail]

Pretty sure EP is capped at 50. Now you can get a bonus with alchemy, but for the purposes of wearing EP items its capped at 50.

Ya, what I meant was 30% from Alchemy (it works like inscribe, it stacks && isn't added to your cap) && the 50% ep from items =]

 

[Bombastic Fail]

Make pots drop at your feet when you cancel the target. Solved.

That's not a bad idea either!

 

[Makaveli]

no leave them as they are they have been like this for 12 years why change them now.... its not a problem learn to pvp theres countless ways to avoid it u just cant pvp if u dont know how

 

[Bombastic Fail]

no leave them as they are they have been like this for 12 years why change them now.... its not a problem learn to pvp theres countless ways to avoid it u just cant pvp if u dont know how

Thank you for your educated response and input.

 

[Storm]

pots have been like this for a long time ! and there very easy to counter ! dont stand in one spot problem solved!

unless this is a problem with pots following you like spells do! then this should be fixed

 

[Divster]

This is the problem they home in on you, moving does nothing they will still hit you, multiple times in a short time, advocates of this method have in this thread accused people of needing to learn pvp but themselves rely on this lame tactic to get kills. I have no problem with explo pots in themselves but they are being abused in this way and it does need to be addressed, a timer with the same conditions as conflag pots would seem the best option, upon activation of the pot.

Yes it is true that breaking line of sight etc will cause problems for the users of this tactic but it is very rare that you will be able to use this to your advantage unless they are an idiot

 

[Capt.E]

I think the OP's post was more about stopping scripting rather than the functional use of an explo pot. Since it seems that scriptards are going nowhere, maybe a pot nerf is in order. Maka, while I do agree you can avoid pots, it sounds like this is not your standard case of explo pots, it's 4-5 in a row and moving shots.

 

[Divster]

lol oh don't worry maka is very aware of what this topic is about and while I have no problems with him in game (he's actually quite nice lol) it does need to be addressed!

 

[Kiljaedon]

Can we just compile this with the list of other nerfs that people are calling for. We need to put in archery nerfs, bushido nerfs, sampire nerfs, and for good measure a random tamer nerf to round it all out.

 

[G.v.P]

that would be me but man its been around since day one of uo... why change it now all u have to do is run round a tree or go round a house and the damage goes straight to me... or invis even evasion works its not as lame as u think its another skill like magery which never misses but i kill myself like 5 times a day because people go round houses... they still get the kill for it so i dont see the big fuss[

Yeah, 'cause we all forgot what an amazing tactic invising is for a mage in PvP lol (useful for remounting though, haha). The only thing I could think to offer that would actually work against pots, since invis takes too long to cast and wouldn't help much against a guy flinging pots (unless you are a stealth/hider and can move before the next toss) would be to teleport.

For those who say pots have been around since day one, well, UOA wasn't approved since day one, and EP didn't exist until AOS. Check your brain.

Anyway, back in the day, I remember explodes were popular in Asian PvP, don't really recall them ever being too popular in Euro or N. America, but can see how the new client might offer more control. And if you make a macro, with a stored target, I'm sure you can pause it and use three slots with three stacks, although, I'd have to test that out, because I'd assume you'd have to rearm the bar unless each hot bar slot tries a use last object in the EC. Time to kill some fire steeds I guess .

 

[Bombastic Fail]

OH HAI LOOK! It's 3 months later from when I posted this, but now, its just like the free shards I play! Maybe I should go into the physic business.. Hmm..


Really though, let's browse through this thread and loo kat all the awesome ideas to change the pots and not make em worthless, okay DEVs?

 

[Aran]

I love my Explosion potions just how they are. Quit crying.

 

[Bombastic Fail]

I love my Explosion potions just how they are. Quit crying.

You would. Most people (the "auto pot shooters") do like em how they are

And for those of us who don't "auto" throw em to hit players, we'd like it changed.

 

[G.v.P]

I love my Explosion potions just how they are. Quit crying.

You would. Most people (the "auto pot shooters") do like em how they are

And for those of us who don't "auto" throw em to hit players, we'd like it changed.

Eh, Aran doesn't even PvP, he's just concerned about PvM changing so he trolls PvP threads while blind to the subject matter.