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The Fallout
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Just tell us how to kill in five seconds. I mean if it is perfectly like you say who cares? The devs will be fixing it soon anyway then.
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Smokin
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I was thinking sacrifice but you would have to build up fame again and not sure if it would work. Other ways involve something else I am thinking but not sure if 5 seconds is possible that way.
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Lord GOD(GOD)
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Same, except the bit about PM'ing a dev, I already told them about it ages ago. 
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The Fallout
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Anyone not so uptight wanna share the secret or are you really gonna make my lazy butt find out the hard way?
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Slim29
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Crysta,
If you discovered the fastest method, I was going to tell them. I was just waiting for the Developer's to message me. There are many similar methods that can be used but the kill time is a little longer - like 1 or 2 min. Problem is they may nerf all of the methods, then no one wins
If you discovered the fastest method, I was going to tell them. I was just waiting for the Developer's to message me. There are many similar methods that can be used but the kill time is a little longer - like 1 or 2 min. Problem is they may nerf all of the methods, then no one wins
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Bangelking
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How about summon it in the kirin champion spawn?
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The Fallout
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Dang man just tell us! Share the wealth!Crysta,
If you discovered the fastest method, I was going to tell them. I was just waiting for the Developer's to message me. There are many similar methods that can be used but the kill time is a little longer - like 1 or 2 min. Problem is they may nerf all of the methods, then no one wins
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Slim29
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Look,
I am not going to give up the 5 second method as it is kind of cheesy though legal. The developers will probably want to change it. I will say this much, there are many many other ways to kill the Harbringer easily. Whether its done in 15 seconds or 2 - 3 min, does it really matter? It takes a good 30 min to an hour just to get one yellow crystal. As for some of the other methods that can be employed I will list them below as I want to get off this subject.
The Harbringer is an evil creature, so lets take a look at things that hate evil creatures.
1. Creatures that drop faery dust come to mind - What an interesting way to possibly collect that ingredient. Dragon spawn anyone? Maybe the Silver sapling area.
2. I seem to recall another champ spawn near swoop that has positive Karma creatures. Oh my the possibilities if more than one Harbringer were dropped there.
Okay, you get the idea. These are just a couple methods and not the most effective from a time perspective, but they work.
Since these yellow crystals stake a long time to gather, my hope is the developers will understand there are limitations to this anyway. I'm sure the expectation was that players were expected to reap all the loot from these creatures over time whether it took them an 10 min to kill or 2 hours.
Let me know your thoughts.
I am not going to give up the 5 second method as it is kind of cheesy though legal. The developers will probably want to change it. I will say this much, there are many many other ways to kill the Harbringer easily. Whether its done in 15 seconds or 2 - 3 min, does it really matter? It takes a good 30 min to an hour just to get one yellow crystal. As for some of the other methods that can be employed I will list them below as I want to get off this subject.
The Harbringer is an evil creature, so lets take a look at things that hate evil creatures.
1. Creatures that drop faery dust come to mind - What an interesting way to possibly collect that ingredient. Dragon spawn anyone? Maybe the Silver sapling area.
2. I seem to recall another champ spawn near swoop that has positive Karma creatures. Oh my the possibilities if more than one Harbringer were dropped there.
Okay, you get the idea. These are just a couple methods and not the most effective from a time perspective, but they work.
Since these yellow crystals stake a long time to gather, my hope is the developers will understand there are limitations to this anyway. I'm sure the expectation was that players were expected to reap all the loot from these creatures over time whether it took them an 10 min to kill or 2 hours.
Let me know your thoughts.
Slasher?
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northwoodschopper
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i prefer to just use positive karma creatures do the grunt work, ethereal warriors will yeild some great items and hold thier own well. being able to throw in a few WoD gives the luck bump, which is what makes a huge difference in loot quality. shame there's no ML loot though (aside from set armor), just AoS items.
the 5 second kill is hilarious.
the 5 second kill is hilarious.
I'm gonna go off on a limb here and say that the Stygian drag is the 5 second method. (spawn a harbringer in the champ and watch him chomp)
I think this is a GREAT idea/item... as long as it is limited. I think the Devs fully intended for these to be generally difficult for the guilds that want a group challenge... and I think they made it so that you can spawn them anywhere for those that want to throw theirs away killing it in 5 seconds. THIS IS A GOOD THING!
I see NO reason these should not be kept as they are. The devs have said that we can use these years down the road, and the ability to summon a peerless grade monster at will wherever you want is an AWESOME thing. I think that these "Peerless in a Can" are the real reward, and the robes are just icing on the cake. I am saving up as many as I can (only about 4 so far) to use down the road. And again, this seems to be how they were INTENDED to be used. No restrictions, no experation date... finally a real sandbox treat!!!
As for you guys hoarding your "Secret"... put a little more thought into it...
If you tell everybody how to drop these things in 5 seconds... everybody will run out and do it. Which means these will be a LOT more valuable now, and down the road when everybody has used theirs up.
I think the devs knew EXACTLY what they were doing when these were designed... "Fine... these players want to look for loopholes and cracks in the system... lets give them something that will tempt them to take the easy fast road, so that they will all run out and waste a great thing. Then at the end the players who didnt take the easy road will be the ones left with a very cool, very powerful stash."
Let me recap... THIS IS NOT A BUG, and even if it is... IT SHOULD BE LEFT ALONE! This is the absolute PERFECT design, weather it was intended or not. All those who are only after a quick reward get it... while those who are not out to find the loopholes will be left with a stash of something very powerful and very helpful that they can use anytime, anywhere down the road. EVERYBODY WINS!!!
I see NO reason these should not be kept as they are. The devs have said that we can use these years down the road, and the ability to summon a peerless grade monster at will wherever you want is an AWESOME thing. I think that these "Peerless in a Can" are the real reward, and the robes are just icing on the cake. I am saving up as many as I can (only about 4 so far) to use down the road. And again, this seems to be how they were INTENDED to be used. No restrictions, no experation date... finally a real sandbox treat!!!
As for you guys hoarding your "Secret"... put a little more thought into it...
If you tell everybody how to drop these things in 5 seconds... everybody will run out and do it. Which means these will be a LOT more valuable now, and down the road when everybody has used theirs up.
I think the devs knew EXACTLY what they were doing when these were designed... "Fine... these players want to look for loopholes and cracks in the system... lets give them something that will tempt them to take the easy fast road, so that they will all run out and waste a great thing. Then at the end the players who didnt take the easy road will be the ones left with a very cool, very powerful stash."
Let me recap... THIS IS NOT A BUG, and even if it is... IT SHOULD BE LEFT ALONE! This is the absolute PERFECT design, weather it was intended or not. All those who are only after a quick reward get it... while those who are not out to find the loopholes will be left with a stash of something very powerful and very helpful that they can use anytime, anywhere down the road. EVERYBODY WINS!!!
Well said Endrik, let them keep thier secret so they can farm garbs to sell. Seems everything new has a secret that the greedy use for riches. They just come on here and tell people that they know some secret just to get attention. As for them reporting it, if they really are, then they know nothing will be done till after halloween when you cant get the crystals anymore. By then the greedy will have thier stockpiles of garbs to start selling at a insane price. Would love to see new content items that were no trade just to aggrevate the greedy.
ps, id have to say anyway you can kill a boss type creature in 5 seconds has to be an exploit/illegal no matter how its done.
ps, id have to say anyway you can kill a boss type creature in 5 seconds has to be an exploit/illegal no matter how its done.
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northwoodschopper
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there's enough methods in this thread to kill a harbinger in 30 seconds to two minutes.
and the garbs are hardly the prize...the relic frag items and armor set pieces are. high luck yields at least 12 relic frag items it seems, for gargoyles anyways.
and the garbs are hardly the prize...the relic frag items and armor set pieces are. high luck yields at least 12 relic frag items it seems, for gargoyles anyways.
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Prince Caspian
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Bingo.
I am actually seeing this two ways.
#1 - The reason they really aren't sharing is because, let's face it, this is a cash cow and they don't want the market for the item to dry up. There's money to be made! I wouldn't go far as to call it exploiting fellow players (after all, you don't HAVE to buy one from them), but I believe THIS is why they are staying mum, not for any reasons of nobility or concern for "game balance." [other than making their precious commodity worthless overnight]. Call it player exploitation, or clever mercantile -- but its foolish to think they'll "let the cat out of the bag" as it was phrased earlier (the phrasing there should show you what their mindset was -- exclusion, mostly likely for profit)
#2 - A lot of us have gotten lazy in this era of "log on and get the answers to the quest," and everyone wants the solution to be delivered post haste. There's something to be said about going out and experimenting. Using clever thinking. Exploring the options. I think there's a lot of good leads towards what this great secret is, so go check em out.
Just mein zwei pfennings.
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northwoodschopper
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seeing that garbs don't spawn all that often on them, i doubt it's a play on cornering the market for inferior conjurer garbs. though i have to wonder if the real garbs will be more common than the inferior ones...
it's a real forehead-slapper, though. fair warning though, most of these methods mean it's a free for all to loot, so stealthers can have a heyday.
i still prefer to use ethereal warriors in reg volom, fairly fast, and good loot all around.
it's a real forehead-slapper, though. fair warning though, most of these methods mean it's a free for all to loot, so stealthers can have a heyday.
i still prefer to use ethereal warriors in reg volom, fairly fast, and good loot all around.
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DevilHimself
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Yo ACB1961, I'm really happy for you, I'mmma let you finish, but Illidan had the best loot drops of all time! The best loot drops of all time!
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Lord GOD(GOD)
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The 5 second method is imo an exploit. You're asking how to exploit on stratics. I don't use it, I've no need to when I can do it quite easily a legitimate way (as I've already shown in this thread), I'm now using Parragon Ancient Wyrms that can hit for 140-150.
Knowing what an exploit is doesn't make you greedy, asking what that exploit is, or trying to belittle those that do know does.
In fact the more people that know, would actually be a good thing IF we were doing it for greed, as the corpse is public and I'm a fast looter.
Knowing what an exploit is doesn't make you greedy, asking what that exploit is, or trying to belittle those that do know does.
In fact the more people that know, would actually be a good thing IF we were doing it for greed, as the corpse is public and I'm a fast looter.
God forbid someone not want to say anything because the market would be flooded with an item that's supposed to be at least moderately rare. I mean, we have to be hiding it for money.
I did it once to test it last night before I posted and am not doing it again. Hopefully the devs take my message and fix it quickly.
I did it once to test it last night before I posted and am not doing it again. Hopefully the devs take my message and fix it quickly.
whos asking? just like to point out peoples true intentions. provocating isnt an exploit, so to the bards, glad to see you have a use. plan and simple- anything that can take out 10000 hp in 5-40 seconds is not as intended therefore is a bug/exploit/illegal so yall should take advantage as fast as possible cuz itll hopefully get changed/nerfed. Ive killed all my harbingers the same way, solo tamer with a greater dragon, takes some time but is worth it. (guildies have helped a few times too) its just like using the renowned pixie to kill other high end monsters, it should be fixed so it doesnt happen because its using game mechanics for personal gain. so hopefully no one is stupid enough to pay hard earned gold for items gotten from people exploiting the harbinger. End of discussion
ps, if you know how to do this and have a shred of moral decency then you'll actually report it (not just say you have) and stop using it.
ps, if you know how to do this and have a shred of moral decency then you'll actually report it (not just say you have) and stop using it.
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DevilHimself
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BAN ALL EXPLOITERS!
wouldn't it be nice if they did?
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DevilHimself
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Damn skippy.
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Lord GOD(GOD)
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You didn't point out anything like peoples true intentions because you don't know them. From the moment Slim posted it he has been saying that he is against it, I'm against it, Crysta is against it. Whos intentions is it you think you've shown?
I reported it before Harbingers existed, it isn't specific to them, and to stop using it I'd have to start.
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DevilHimself
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Damn exploiter.
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Lord GOD(GOD)
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Gets my vote.
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Lord GOD(GOD)
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Provocation isn't an exploit.
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THyRoID99
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Im sorry but I just dont see this as an exploit AT ALL. Chrissy has stated that these were designed to allow you to use them ANYWHERE, and that they would not expire so that you can use them ANYTIME. This means they are basically a tool that can be used for some pretty cool stuff. So what if people want to waste theirs by getting it killed in 5 seconds for a chance at a robe. GREAT, let them. For those whit a little more foresight and imagination these can be used for a lot more.
When you consider the way these were INTENTIONALLY designed, and then consider the statement from the devs that they were MEANT to be used anywhere at anytime... You can see that this is not an exploit. People killing these in 5 seconds is a waste not a hack. The ONLY ones they are hurting is themselves, and if thats how they want to use these then let them.
Whining that this is an exploit is like whining that people are cutting up Hats of The Magi to get 2 pieces of normal colored cloth. If that's what they want to do with their Harbringers then great.
When you consider the way these were INTENTIONALLY designed, and then consider the statement from the devs that they were MEANT to be used anywhere at anytime... You can see that this is not an exploit. People killing these in 5 seconds is a waste not a hack. The ONLY ones they are hurting is themselves, and if thats how they want to use these then let them.
Whining that this is an exploit is like whining that people are cutting up Hats of The Magi to get 2 pieces of normal colored cloth. If that's what they want to do with their Harbringers then great.
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northwoodschopper
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i'm surprised no one unleashed a few around the hag. 
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Lord GOD(GOD)
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Yes though it should be fairly obvious that they make statements like that while not in posession of all possible outcomes. If they were then there would be no bugs.
yet he also talks about still using it. if your against it then dont even tell people you know about it, just report it and close your mouth about it. Dont matter if you keep the details to yourself, your still talking about it drawing attention to yourself. You dont have to be a mind reader to understand how people work. It was brought up without details to act as a lightning rod for attention to the person who craves it. let the honest and good players kill the harbinger the right way, and let the shifty players continue to condone something they havent stopped doing. Crystal harvesting will end soon and the attention starved will have to move on to thier next questionable practice. Bottom Line, you kill something boss level in a matter of seconds then your no better than a scripter/duper/hacker. now lock this thread like it should have been the moment the attention starved began bragging about his possible exploit.
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DevilHimself
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You are attacked by a small wall of text, please make a saving throw vs. paralyzation to avoid brain damage.
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THyRoID99
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Exactly, it's a legal game mechanic the use of which doesn't quantify it as an exploit. If the devs really did think it was an issue they would have nurfed it a long time ago in some way. Like limiting the number of creatures you can provoke to the number of free control points you currently have.
Instead giving the player an end level boss to carry around in their bag like a pet chiwawa that can be summoned at any location at their leisure is more like poor game design, even if it is a rare gift to begin with. It's the dev's responsibility and if they happen to think it's a good idea how can you blame the exploiters. In fact maybe the idea is a way to break the usual gameplay and have something fun for a few days, as a reward to the players. From what I can see it's the rewards are not that spectacular anyways. It's not even the better of the cloaks. I think the true reward is in the experience and not the loot. So sure, maybe you shouldn't be able to drop it fast but maybe you shouldn't be able to carry it around in your pack in the first place.
This is going to be the first time I get to see, let alone fight, a harbringer. So yeah, I'm going to use whatever means I have to win and I'm not going to limit myself to make anyone else feel better. That's just stupid.
And if provocation is nurfed the exploiters will still find a way and the nurf will only end up hurting the casual, regular players. Which is the overall argument that a lot of nurfs to stop exploiters/scripters just results in diminishing the casual and even hardcore players enjoyment of the game. But I digress.
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Lord GOD(GOD)
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The 5s method is nothing to do with Provocation. It was just a reply to Devil who was probably joking or jabbing.
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Lord GOD(GOD)
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Yeah he does. I don't. Your post wasn't specific about who you were calling greedy.
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RavenWinterHawk
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WHO CARES! Argh.
Nothing for halloween is made to be rare. Look some people have 200 cats.
The yellow crystal.
YOU can do what you want with it.
The robes arent rare people. WHY?
Because the event is still running. And the more it runs the more there are.
So if you want to pay 5 million for one go ahead.
If you want to loot one try the pixies.
If you like to argue to argue. Keep responding here.
They drop good loot. Luck yourself up. Get something good.
Nothing for halloween is made to be rare. Look some people have 200 cats.
The yellow crystal.
YOU can do what you want with it.
The robes arent rare people. WHY?
Because the event is still running. And the more it runs the more there are.
So if you want to pay 5 million for one go ahead.
If you want to loot one try the pixies.
If you like to argue to argue. Keep responding here.
They drop good loot. Luck yourself up. Get something good.
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northwoodschopper
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and complete that set of assassin armor with ease, or plate or honor, or whichever set has previously been out of price range.
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The Fallout
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Someone want to spill the secret yet?
Disco the Harbringer and summon him at the Stygian Dragon...will destroy him in a few seconds. Its a waist though, you dont get a luck boost to the loot or anything. I think its more of a pain to summon the dragon. Rather take the Harbringer to the oaks spawn, honor and blast away with an archer.
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northwoodschopper
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or just go to reg volom and have all the ethereal warriors swarm the harbinger. better than waiting ages for the spawn to progress. plus having 2 or more paragon ethereal warriors insure that the harbinger dies in a few minutes, if not one minute or less.
meer village is good too, if there's paragon captains or eternals around.
meer village is good too, if there's paragon captains or eternals around.
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Nenime
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Thief question:
I know that the crystal can be stolen but if a Harbringer is summoned by someone else and dies because of good-karma-spawn, is the Cloak stealable?
I know that the crystal can be stolen but if a Harbringer is summoned by someone else and dies because of good-karma-spawn, is the Cloak stealable?
The corpse should be freely lootable by anyone in the area.
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Thashinel
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Not sure if I have the pieces to work around it yet, but my last 'fun item' piece of loot is a ring:
Chiv +13
Enhance Pots 25%
DCI 15%
LRC 20%
DI 22%
Ah heck, maybe just turn it into a relic...lol
Jo/Thash
Endrik made a really good point btw. People are kind of wasting these crystals now for the robes, but you can always use them right? Who knows what we can do in the future with them...there might be some uber boss in a later event they would be awesome against, get your robe from Harby and then get uber boss' reward...using them a bunch right now beyond what you need seems a bit short sighted. I'd be stockpiling (that is, if I ever get any).
Talk about great for player run events! It's like summon your own boss, could be really fun for guild events or if you want to go do a harry, could have a little death match between the two, or plop one down if you're defending and need a little extra help...
Talk about great for player run events! It's like summon your own boss, could be really fun for guild events or if you want to go do a harry, could have a little death match between the two, or plop one down if you're defending and need a little extra help...
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Slim29
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I appreciate all the feedback we have gotten on this topic. I would like to say something to those on here that like to throw out names like exploiters, cheaters, hackers - ban their accounts. It is extremely annoying to those of us that work hard in the game and use our brains to come up with solutions to hear crap like this. Everyday I go to work, my job is to come up with solutions to problems and find the most efficient ways to handle processes. This is how we have evolved as human beings. This is why you get to enjoy games like this. Nowadays, it seems more and more that if someone comes up with a great idea they are blasted by their peers for upsetting the status quo. Well, pardon me and the rest like me for using our grey matter to achieve in life and in the game. I shared this issue because beyond anything else, I believe in fair game play. Do I want to make millions in gold and have every uber item? Of course I do, but I do it fairly. I have never cheated, exploited, or scripted. I spend hours upon hours of playing and I act in the game like I do in real life. I try to find the most efficient (legal) ways to do a task and profit from it. There are many more things I have learned since Stygian Abyss launched. I have shared two of them here and plan to continue sharing. But please, do not call the rest of us names simply because you do not think up an idea. That's my rant - as always I appreciate any feedback.
just because there isnt a list of whats legal or illegal doesnt mean your creative ideas arent bug/exploits. check pub 62.2 and see how the stygian draggy/renowned pixie was not an intended way to kill harbinger... man i love when im right. now lets all just get back to playing and doing it the right way.
this is the second time someone heres "brilliant idea" has been nerfed/fixed, maybe they should keep thier questionable ideas to them selves next time.
this is the second time someone heres "brilliant idea" has been nerfed/fixed, maybe they should keep thier questionable ideas to them selves next time.
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Thangorodrim
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My feedback is that you are blinded by the glow of your own imaginary awesomeness. A touch of reality might temper your hubris to a palatable level.
More to the point, apparently the five second method was considered an exploit based on the most recent patch notes.
Presumably the Ilshenar variants are still in considered acceptable.