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Would you still play UO if..
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The Fallout
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THIS is what UO needs within the next 4-5 years.
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I very much would like to see graphics like Titan Quest or Diablo 3 in UO.
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THIS is what UO needs within the next 4-5 years
And people will still whine, pancake, moan, and hate on it. Doesn't matter how perfect you make the updated graphics, the same people will raise hell about it and say "that's not what it should look like".
Until the devs simply decide to take an actual CHANCE to move forward and FINISH THE JOB in doing so regardless of the pissing and maoning about the graphics, we're never going to see a comprehensive graphical update. KR has proven that beyond a shadow of a doubt.
I very much would like to see graphics like Titan Quest or Diablo 3 in UO.
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THIS is what UO needs within the next 4-5 years
And people will still whine, pancake, moan, and hate on it. Doesn't matter how perfect you make the updated graphics, the same people will raise hell about it and say "that's not what it should look like".
Until the devs simply decide to take an actual CHANCE to move forward and FINISH THE JOB in doing so regardless of the pissing and maoning about the graphics, we're never going to see a comprehensive graphical update. KR has proven that beyond a shadow of a doubt.
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Mitzlplik_SP
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WRONG.
At first the above statement was all I was going to say since its all been said and argued over before, on second thought.....
I don`t care what peaple think "it should look like". I`m all for change and I have an open mind about it but when an upgrade feels more like a step back,its kind of hard to take.
I would love nothing more than to be able to log into the new client and enjoy it as much as I do 2d. I LOVE alot of the things the EC brings but dammit..... I can not get past the graphics. To me its not good enough. This IS 2009,I`m of the opinion that it can be better,even if it takes a brand new UO to do it. I`m sure there are lots of limitations to what they can do with the existing platform.
I like the idea of someone above about a common room between 2 games like old/new UO. That way all the history of UO would be preserved but you could also enjoy playing the game you`ve loved for so long with graphics it deserves,like Titan Quest or ANY of the other 3d games out there. I`d still hope they stay with the isometric view though.
I am not trying to bash you 3d lovers or SA/EC or anyone...more powa to ya. Different strokes for different folks. I`m glad they gave 2d SA access and will continue to support 2d. IMO its no accomplishment to force peaple to your brand new shiney game.....it`d probably feel alot better (on both sides) if your customer base CHOSE to flock to your brand new shiney game. I`m giving it a fair shake,unlike the last two 3d clients..... this one will stay on my HD and even get some play time here and there.
Not out yet, not true 3D.
I think it would still require a world rebuild to not look silly. They should really just make UO2, but only if it was actually like UO.
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The Fallout
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I agree with you.
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sean_lo
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UO's biggest two mistakes in its entire history, was their attempt at going 3D twice.
The answer and key , was to UPGRADE their 2D engine, to display HIGH RESOLUTION PRE-RENDERED 3D models.
Explanation:
Get a 3d Model, render it in 3D with high quality lighting as a picture, display that picture in the 2D engine.
The answer and key , was to UPGRADE their 2D engine, to display HIGH RESOLUTION PRE-RENDERED 3D models.
Explanation:
Get a 3d Model, render it in 3D with high quality lighting as a picture, display that picture in the 2D engine.
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Smokin
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UO is lucky, I really do not see any reason to make a fully 3D version. I mean they game stays alive because of the game play and mostly the people that still play.
Why should they make a 3D version so they can be the new flash in the pan video game. If people who quit because they found the newer flasher game to play, well they will do the same after they invest huge time into a 3D version it is very simple logic. People go to the new thing all the time, if your lucky enough to find something that you can still make money on after then you stick with it.
So lets say they make a full 3D, maybe they make the people who have stuck with the game for years and years not like it anymore and they quit, then you have the people that flock to the next great game and they play for awhile and quit, (much like who the question of this thread is asking to.) So after all the big bucks are spent you end up with no game at all and no money coming in, kinda seems like a waste of time.
I personally wish they could do the thing with the double pixel thing and increase resolution but it can't be done. Shame but I still love the game the way it is anyways.
Why should they make a 3D version so they can be the new flash in the pan video game. If people who quit because they found the newer flasher game to play, well they will do the same after they invest huge time into a 3D version it is very simple logic. People go to the new thing all the time, if your lucky enough to find something that you can still make money on after then you stick with it.
So lets say they make a full 3D, maybe they make the people who have stuck with the game for years and years not like it anymore and they quit, then you have the people that flock to the next great game and they play for awhile and quit, (much like who the question of this thread is asking to.) So after all the big bucks are spent you end up with no game at all and no money coming in, kinda seems like a waste of time.
I personally wish they could do the thing with the double pixel thing and increase resolution but it can't be done. Shame but I still love the game the way it is anyways.
Next to no one liked KR. Accept it.
SA is likely enjoying a better reception than KR because:
A) It's not half as buggy.
B) They kept the original style, instead of KR's "revisioning" of the world
C) It likely had changes made to the framerwork to allow it to do things that weren't possible in KR.
They cut off the bad leg before it killed the patient. I say good for them. Give people who want it their graphics option, I'm all for that, but don't act like the majority are crying to the heavens for it.
You can keep the same style the world of UO has had for the past decade, and still increase the resolution and add new textures to the game. KR was a complete rewrite, and for the majority of people, it sucked. I'm still pissed that my plate helm looks like I'm wearing a giant garbage can on my head with a cross in the middle.
And if you're not willing to stop pancakes about losing KR's graphics, don't expect people who have grown used to 2D over a decade to stop either. All but a few disliked the style of the majority of KR, and to most of them, resolution doesn't mean crap.
Although a part of me wishes they'd replace the EC clients graphics with KR and close off the legacy client. That way, you would lose all those 2D players you pancake about constantly, and NO new players would come, because KR was terrible. Then maybe the game would finally die and EA would put the money into a true UO sequel, because for every 1 person here pancakes about the loss of KR, there's over 1000 not even posting on the forms who didn't give a damn about it, and the fact that they so quickly dropped KR like a bad habit should tell you I'm not far off the mark.
If people liked it, they would have kept at it. But no one did, they made the EC, and KR is gone. Period. Or do we not "deserve" what, clearly, the majority want?
To the original topic, I'm all for the resolution's possible in DA:O, but not for a complete change of style and keep it 2D-Isometric. If you want to make the mobs (Dragons, Lichs, etc.) a bit more like the Blight in DO:A, that'd be interesting, but keep the cities, players, and architecture the same.
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Essence of Siege
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QFAT.
Diablo 3 graphics would be spectacular. I like the Isometric view and would be disappointed if UO became a true 3D game. The isometric view it what makes UO, well, UO. But the sprites/graphics do need some serious updating. KR was horrid, the perspective was off and everything just looked clanky.
Problem is UO most likely doesn't have the revenue to justify rebuilding or purchasing as existing graphics mode.
We can hope...
I don't care much about graphics, UO 2D is fine, I do however care about content and depth of the game and here UO is doing great and the last year, they had worked hard to balance the game and with SA, the game had improved alot. New ways to get resources and almost every looted item are useful now.After looking at the website for Dragons Age:Origins and seeing what EA and Bioware can do with graphics.. I was wondering, who would still play UO if we had graphics like that? If nothing but the graphics changed.. Honestly, I'm jealous we dont have graphics like that.
http://dragonage.bioware.com/ link included for judging purposes hehe
Cool graphics can never replace what UO have
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Gwendar-SP
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After what we put up with in this long lasting beta I find it hard to believe that the fault for low player base lies with the players. It has been my impression that EA has been working very hard at driving folks off since I started playing. That is one thing they do very well.
I agree with you.......I wish the graphics were more like the opening scene from that trailer.
A few years back, when we got that solo pc game from UO....the exact title escapes me......but, it was more what you needs to be these days. Seeing behind me is no biggy.....I can't do it now unless I stop typing.
Our current 2d's laughable at best, thus, no serious push or promotion for it. That's a serious waste of capital.
I guess we can only dream, eh? I'm gonna read up more on this game though....housing would rock.
A few years back, when we got that solo pc game from UO....the exact title escapes me......but, it was more what you needs to be these days. Seeing behind me is no biggy.....I can't do it now unless I stop typing.
Our current 2d's laughable at best, thus, no serious push or promotion for it. That's a serious waste of capital.
I guess we can only dream, eh? I'm gonna read up more on this game though....housing would rock.
In this ENTIRE thread, this is the truest statement.
Graphics do not make the game... content, depth and immersion make the game.
I'm a 2d fanboy , so no.. : [After looking at the website for Dragons Age:Origins and seeing what EA and Bioware can do with graphics.. I was wondering, who would still play UO if we had graphics like that? If nothing but the graphics changed.. Honestly, I'm jealous we dont have graphics like that.
http://dragonage.bioware.com/ link included for judging purposes hehe
Because it affects the gameplay and many factors to go with that..
It's great to have optional display/screen set ups
2d and 3d options.. Any type of graphic overhaul is going to **** off a lotttttttt of people.
Which is why they should just make UO2, but not try to reinvent it. Just tweak a bunch of current silly things, and make a nice actually 3d world preferably with a 3rd person isometric view.
With added content of course.
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Beer_Cayse
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First, players ARE one of the reasons this game has gone to the toilet. They want a client overhaul, then grip ewhen KR and eve SA show up. Why? Because vocal persons and groups insist that the graphics need to be legacy-type. Why? Because the revamped clients have a different UI but no one really wants it - although it was a revamp the players wanted.
If you think back over the years, you will find many instances where the player demanded this or that and when they got it, all that could be done or said was derogatory toward the Devs. Why in Hades should they support people like that?
Second - and here's where you're 100% on the mark. There is no viable and visible EA support except for the Dev voice here. If EA wanted to tout UO they need shelf/market presence. But since they don't do that, no new folks are seeing anything except WoW, Warhammer and others.
So ya see, IMO it's a split and the player community most certainly had a hand in it.
If you think back over the years, you will find many instances where the player demanded this or that and when they got it, all that could be done or said was derogatory toward the Devs. Why in Hades should they support people like that?
Second - and here's where you're 100% on the mark. There is no viable and visible EA support except for the Dev voice here. If EA wanted to tout UO they need shelf/market presence. But since they don't do that, no new folks are seeing anything except WoW, Warhammer and others.
So ya see, IMO it's a split and the player community most certainly had a hand in it.
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Lord Drakelord
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I just happen to like the fix over head look we have and also the 2d look over the SA. Nice videos at that link, but its game I never play.
So would I. 3D graphics give me a headache. If I wanted that, I would join my kids in WoW. I have played for 12+ years and the reason for that is the 2D engine. I don't ever want to see UO change to 3D...period!
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Wolfways
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UO will never change because there are too many 2D players that will gripe about any change.
I usually try to see both sides of the fence in any discussion, but i've never been able to figure out why people prefer a client that IMO looks ten years old and drawn by a ten year old.
I say make UO2. New graphics but same content.
Do not make it an extension of the current UO in any way! (i.e. the crossover room idea). 2D will just hold it back again.
I've left UO a few times to try out different MMO's but i keep coming back to UO...at least for a while.
UO has the most content of any MMO, but after a while the graphics get to me and i start looking elsewhere.
Personally i don't care if a UO2 was first-person or isometric, although first-person is more immersive.
I usually try to see both sides of the fence in any discussion, but i've never been able to figure out why people prefer a client that IMO looks ten years old and drawn by a ten year old.
I say make UO2. New graphics but same content.
Do not make it an extension of the current UO in any way! (i.e. the crossover room idea). 2D will just hold it back again.
I've left UO a few times to try out different MMO's but i keep coming back to UO...at least for a while.
UO has the most content of any MMO, but after a while the graphics get to me and i start looking elsewhere.
Personally i don't care if a UO2 was first-person or isometric, although first-person is more immersive.
That's what makes UO unique with the 2d graphics. The new clients coming out are for those who want change in graphics. But 2d will stay forever and I hope , or I'm out. I have no problem playing 3d games but for me UO isn't meant to be played in 3d because the 2d has been around since it started and I get a nice nostalgia every time I log in.
IMO 2D for UO!! 2D FANBOY FTW.
Ok, that sounds F'ING COOL!!! But until then, 2D for me thanks
If that happened.. I'd quit life.. LOLOLOLOk, that sounds F'ING COOL!!! But until then, 2D for me thanks