Apparently Duping Is Alive And Well

[Connor_Graham]

I happened upon this thread this morning detailing the purchase of 105 valorite runic hammers, by someone who is aware they're "probably duped" but says he doesn't care because he burns them immediately-

http://vboards.stratics.com/showthread.php?t=163018

I've also heard that the new ingredients have been duped and you can now buy 1000 relic fragments for $65.

That's just $#@!ing pathetic.

 

[Yellow Beard]

If you had read the entire thread you would have seen that there is a lot of controversy as to the truth of the incident. I'll wait for facts before making a judgement on this one.

 

[T'Challa]

Haven't you heard? The sky is falling!

 

[Connor_Graham]

If you had read the entire thread you would have seen that there is a lot of controversy as to the truth of the incident. I'll wait for facts before making a judgement on this one.

I did read the entire thread. I also know that this person is the same one that bought a buttload of duped val hammers during the last fiasco and had runic armor spread all over nearly every shop in Luna.

Even if he was lying about it, which I'm doubting knowing his reputation, that doesn't change the fact that imbuing ingredients are now available by the thousand.

 

[Connor_Graham]

Haven't you heard? The sky is falling!

 

[UOKaiser]

I did read the entire thread. I also know that this person is the same one that bought a buttload of duped val hammers during the last fiasco and had runic armor spread all over nearly every shop in Luna.

Even if he was lying about it, which I'm doubting knowing his reputation, that doesn't change the fact that imbuing ingredients are now available by the thousand.

Imbuing ingrediants are easy to get. Relic fragments no difference check the way how to make them in another post in uohall.

 

[Prince Caspian]

Duping was never even sick.

Notice how EA has not said a peep about cracking down on cheaters since they were promising Punkbuster (which just faded out with a whimper). Hell even then they said "We banned X accounts," where I'm pretty sure X was a fictional number given to make us feel better.

 

[Silverbird]

Imbuing ingrediants are easy to get. Relic fragments no difference check the way how to make them in another post in uohall.

Umm ... I checked the other thread. BUT ... its not that simple to produce masses of relics. At least you need (semi-)rare ingredients for it (mined ML-gems, peerless reags etc). But they are easy to get, if you have an unlimited supply of valorite runics ....
It sounds more than possible/logical that at least scripting or duping is involved, probably both.

 

[Thangorodrim]

Duping was never even sick.

Notice how EA has not said a peep about cracking down on cheaters since they were promising Punkbuster (which just faded out with a whimper). Hell even then they said "We banned X accounts," where I'm pretty sure X was a fictional number given to make us feel better.

Since, historically, duping involves in-band exploits punkbuster would have done nothing to ameliorate the symptoms derived from a lack of a proper database and item creation routines.

Punkbuster is stupid, intrusive and would not be able to abate hardcore cheaters.

We know they banned quite a few in that episode since many of the banned posted here to testate their innocence.

 

[Viquire]

*sigh*

Time for another blackrock turn in to level the playing field?

 

[RichDC]

If you really wanted to it wouldn't be difficult to amass many thousands of relic fragment very easily.


You would just need to do the same thing that was done during the spring cleaning turn in. Farm the fel dungeon first level spawns for the arty drops.

 

[Petra Fyde]

If you really wanted to it wouldn't be difficult to amass many thousands of relic fragment very easily.


You would just need to do the same thing that was done during the spring cleaning turn in. Farm the fel dungeon first level spawns for the arty drops.

That's an interesting theory, only doesn't the fact that all the virtue armor and the world map are blessed and can't be unravelled kind of make it less convenient than you're implying?

 

[Viquire]

If you really wanted to it wouldn't be difficult to amass many thousands of relic fragment very easily.


You would just need to do the same thing that was done during the spring cleaning turn in. Farm the fel dungeon first level spawns for the arty drops.

That's an interesting theory, only doesn't the fact that all the virtue armor and the world map are blessed and can't be unravelled kind of make it less convenient than you're implying?

But there are lots of other items that are not blessed, and I think all of those items make the relic list if I am not mistaken. But I sure wish Rich had kept this to himself, I'm busy testing multi tile placements.

 

[guum]

I've probably made 1500 relic fragments since SA came out, using only legitimate means, and I've hardly been playing the last 3 weeks. It's totally doable. That doesn't disprove 1k relics being duped, of course, but if I were a duper, I sure as heck wouldn't risk getting caught over something that can be produced relatively easily.

 

[Viquire]

Gold can be produced relatively easily.

 

[Xalan Dementia]

its hard to say but during the last dupe im sure there were plenty of dupers stockpiling thousands of val hammers just to hold til the heat died down, so this could have been a transaction of old duped items. or theres still a dupe or two running free and the gold selling sites/ mass vendors are keeping it secret so they dont get stopped again. Friend of mine said that the gold sites were selling 100 relic frags for 4 dollars only days after sa came out so either they found the easy way to make and unravel them or they were burning thru some duped hammers.

(easy way for over 115 imbuing to make relics- rings with 13 each resist, this was told in another thread my imbuer is only at 101 so cant try it yet)

 

[Goldberg-Chessy]

I happened upon this thread this morning detailing the purchase of 105 valorite runic hammers, by someone who is aware they're "probably duped" but says he doesn't care because he burns them immediately-

http://vboards.stratics.com/showthread.php?t=163018

I've also heard that the new ingredients have been duped and you can now buy 1000 relic fragments for $65.

That's just $#@!ing pathetic.

Maybe it's just me but the OP sure seems to have amassed gigantic amounts of knowledge concerning duping, cheating, & hacking over the years. If it smells fishy...

Again maybe its just my bad but isnt the OP a self proclaimed non-Felucca player?(I apologize if the OP does play in Felucca as I am just going on memories of previous posts and no personal knowledge) He never sets foot in Felucca yet has sooo much knowledge of bad things? It is fishy...

Does that possibly mean that all the possible cheating is happening where the OP plays? Trammel?
Or is it simply that some people are just crazy obsessed with cheating and cant even enjoy a stroll through their own backyard without getting all worked up daily?

Nothing like throwing around crazy, unsubstantiated theories over a good cup of joe!

 

[UOKaiser]

Umm ... I checked the other thread. BUT ... its not that simple to produce masses of relics. At least you need (semi-)rare ingredients for it (mined ML-gems, peerless reags etc). But they are easy to get, if you have an unlimited supply of valorite runics ....
It sounds more than possible/logical that at least scripting or duping is involved, probably both.

He just said it one way 13 ressit 5 property rings other ways are on that topic as well. Not to mention people with fore thought have being gathering and buying out all those useless arties that sell for 10k since beta came out. As wel as useless high end items that sell for cheap or discarded at the bank because they didn't have the right properties. Play smart not harder

 

[irux]

i saved all the junk burned armor for like 6 months just sitting in my castle when i finished by imbuer and unraveled it all i have almost 4 k relics very attain able, then the countless paragon arties i bought before sa came out remember seeing those arctic death dealers laying around.... This guy picked em up and reaks the benefits now

 

[Fink]

its not that simple to produce masses of relics. At least you need (semi-)rare ingredients for it (mined ML-gems, peerless reags etc).

Not necessarily.

Gargoyles can make items that they can unravel to relic fragments, takes a decent pile of magical residue and some common gems. Humans need to up the intensity a little but not with anything so exotic as ML gems or peerless reagents. It's tedious "making" relic after relic but it sure beats farming arties or top loot.

 

[Xalan Dementia]

if connor is anything like me then im sure he hears or researchs what the undesirables are doing in uo so to be informed. me ive studied the scripters and have a great time spoiling thier work. ive studied dupe theories to know what can be duped so i know what not to buy. you never know if youll be the one banned just for buying something you thought was legit but turned out to be duped/illegal. guess im just saying that knowledge is best way to fight the unwanteds

 

[Black Majick]

I've also heard that the new ingredients have been duped and you can now buy 1000 relic fragments for $65.

That's just $#@!ing pathetic.

You can make relic frags easy in game. Just have to find the right people too supply you with the resources. I can make about 20 relic frags for roughly 1.2m. So its honestly not that hard too get and make them. For 60m gold or so..Give or take 5-10m I can make 1000 relic frags. I know the people with supplies I need.

Im not calling you a liar, but there are other explanations as too how things are attained.

 

[It Lives]

105 val hammers, 200 val hammers if they are not talking out their arse, explain that one black majick?rolleyes:

 

[Sarsmi]

105 val hammers, 200 val hammers if they are not talking out their arse, explain that one black majick?rolleyes:

Leftover duped hammers?

I think this is calling things a bit early. One example of too many hammers does not a dupe wave make.

 

[Connor_Graham]

Maybe it's just me but the OP sure seems to have amassed gigantic amounts of knowledge concerning duping, cheating, & hacking over the years. If it smells fishy...)

Yeah, I learned how to read nearly 40 yrs ago. Failure on the assumption. Everyone that knows me knows that I don't cheat, period.

Maybe it's just me, but it sure looks like someone stuck their foot in their mouth so far it's coming out their posterior exit.

 

[RichDC]

105 val hammers, 200 val hammers if they are not talking out their arse, explain that one black majick?rolleyes:

10 accounts with .1 smith on each char(all upgraded to 7 slots) 1 120smith

(scripting not duping ) each char goes every what 5mins to pick up a bod meaning probably close to 1000 bods a day. As Val hammers are dropping on lower crafted bods with 100bods a day being turned in i cant really see it being that hard to amass that kind of hoarde...if driven and scripted.

 

[Connor_Graham]

You can make relic frags easy in game. Just have to find the right people too supply you with the resources. I can make about 20 relic frags for roughly 1.2m. So its honestly not that hard too get and make them. For 60m gold or so..Give or take 5-10m I can make 1000 relic frags. I know the people with supplies I need.

Im not calling you a liar, but there are other explanations as too how things are attained.

Sure, if a player put their mind to it they could come up with 1k relics, but they're not going to come up with enough to advertise it on a website. That's thousands upon thousands that would have to be produced on demand. Sorry, but unless they've got a sweat shop going it's not going to happen. It's also not just relic frags, it's all of the high end ingredients. Unless someone knows something I don't you aren't going to be making essences from crafting.

 

[Assia Penryn]

I don't think we have an active major dupe. If we did, I think we'd be seeing a lot of the "new items" in mass.

The runics were probably dupes, but leftovers. They were probably shoved/fenced over to a trial account which closed... and we're in the middle of Return to Brit... *shrugs*

 

[RichDC]

Sure, if a player put their mind to it they could come up with 1k relics, but they're not going to come up with enough to advertise it on a website. That's thousands upon thousands that would have to be produced on demand. Sorry, but unless they've got a sweat shop going it's not going to happen.

Dont mean to be rude... but dont be that naiive!

They DO have a sweatshop going, probably running maybe more than 30 accounts 24hours a day being paid for by the site...scripting every resource/skill imaginable.

 

[Black Majick]

Dont mean to be rude... but dont be that naiive!

They DO have a sweatshop going, probably running maybe more than 30 accounts 24hours a day being paid for by the site...scripting every resource/skill imaginable.

That or just using one simple program. Its not hard to write scripts for that proggy. With enough accounts, computers and somenoe who works those accounts 8-12 hours a day. You could easily produce the ingredients. I didnt even know about the ring one, but you could produce a relic frag in a minute or less.

 

[RichDC]

Sorry i didnt mean a literal sweat shop...more a pixelated one lol

 

[UOKaiser]

105 val hammers, 200 val hammers if they are not talking out their arse, explain that one black majick?rolleyes:

Trust me if there was a dupe we will definetely know it. Prices will drop to ridiculous levels. Currently the lower prices now are in line with the game changes. When we see val hammers at 12mil or lower without a massive game change then it will be time to panic.

 

[UOKaiser]

Sure, if a player put their mind to it they could come up with 1k relics, but they're not going to come up with enough to advertise it on a website. That's thousands upon thousands that would have to be produced on demand. Sorry, but unless they've got a sweat shop going it's not going to happen. It's also not just relic frags, it's all of the high end ingredients. Unless someone knows something I don't you aren't going to be making essences from crafting.

You forget how the sites work. The couple of people who operate the websites they barely play UO. They do 2 things that am aware of. 1 they have players sell them there items for gold or maybe even cash usually ther e own guild. 2 if you see the item on a search page and next to it it says buy this for whatever amount if cash they just log in use there gold buy it from vender if they don't have in ther personal stock and resell it to the buyer. Usually plenty of gold is kept fro reselling items if needed as well as memebrs of there guild or guilds contribute alot for it.
I got over 100k magic residue left over around half that in essence and about a few k in relics and I havent even being trying hard. I cant imagine what you get with 5 or 6 people trying.

Which reminds me.... I remmeber earlier this year my friends were telling me why the hell you have so much useless junk. I had max storage filled in multiple homes. I said to them am getting ready for imbuing They said nah you just a pack rat you being collecting this junk since before any imbing was known! I said yea that 2 though imbuing gave me a excuse for the reason why I had the stuff. They probably kicking themselves a little bit for not being a bit like me

 

[THyRoID99]

I didn't bother reading all the posts above (sry don't have the time) so if this was already said, enjoy it again lol!

I'd just like to address that duping is something that will always be around, regardless if the above story is true or not. If you understand the technologies behind the game and are creative then you can dupe. It's that (un)simple.

The problem isn't so much that the duping exists. Instead its the lack of systems that identify and manage duped items. One possible way to finally put an end to duping is to verify that itemIDs (itemTYPE + itemID) are not duplicates whenever an item is created. If the servers are relatively powerful it probably wouldn't impact their performance that much, if at all.

A master list of items would need to be generated, and items checked against it. Of course, generating this list would expose every single dupe in game currently. This is where I would think the devs should take a hard stand and remove ALL items with duplicate itemIDs in the game. Unpopular, unfair, but it cleans the system.

From then on if an item is flagged as dupped, it goes poof, and a log entry is created which informs the devs of the item and the last userID to interact with it.

I'm not sure why a system like that (or anything for that matter) hasn't been implemented yet. It could simply be financial reasons. There might be technical reasons. Maybe EA is running the brokers *conspiracy theory music*.

Regardless, unless a system to actively prevent duping is in place, it will ALWAYS be in game.

No, I will not even generally explain how to dupe. And no, I don't dupe or care to. I work in the game industry and respect fellow devs.

 

[Black Majick]

105 val hammers, 200 val hammers if they are not talking out their arse, explain that one black majick?rolleyes:

Potentially left over Val hammers?? If EA cleaned up those like they do everything else, then tehre are plenty still out there.

If you reread my initial reply though I said nothing about val hammers. I was regarding the relic fragments.

 

[Goldberg-Chessy]

Maybe it's just me but the OP sure seems to have amassed gigantic amounts of knowledge concerning duping, cheating, & hacking over the years. If it smells fishy...)

Yeah, I learned how to read nearly 40 yrs ago. Failure on the assumption. Everyone that knows me knows that I don't cheat, period.

Maybe it's just me, but it sure looks like someone stuck their foot in their mouth so far it's coming out their posterior exit.

You apparently didnt learn how to read between obvious lines 40 years ago though lol

1) Your entire defense is this: - "Everyone that knows me knows that I don't cheat, period" ??
That is how i put my foot in my mouth? You would make quite the lawyer my friend

2) Yes, you supposedly read about the hammers as stated clearly in your post. But you "heard" about the ingredients? How again did i put my foot in my mouth?

3) In the future if you are attempting to refute what someone says you would be more legitimate if you actually produced facts/instances and didnt just ALWAYS resort to comments such as - "Maybe it's just me, but it sure looks like someone stuck their foot in their mouth so far it's coming out their posterior exit"

4) Based upon your previous posts I truly doubt that you ever cheated at anything in your life. But also based upon your previous posts I believe that you are an amazingly self righteous person that quite often posts about things of which you have no actual firsthand knowledge. And that is quite annoying to me

 

[Mitzlplik_SP]

Dont mean to be rude... but dont be that naiive!

They DO have a sweatshop going, probably running maybe more than 30 accounts 24hours a day being paid for by the site...scripting every resource/skill imaginable.

This!

Without a freekin doubt.

 

[HD2300]

Duping was never even sick.

Notice how EA has not said a peep about cracking down on cheaters since they were promising Punkbuster (which just faded out with a whimper). Hell even then they said "We banned X accounts," where I'm pretty sure X was a fictional number given to make us feel better.

They did ban X accounts, but they "forgot" to ban all the accounts of the each person busted. And you wonder why duping and scripting continues. LMAO.

 

[T'Challa]

I think it was Chicken Little that said that.

That's not a chicken.

 

[popps]

10 accounts with .1 smith on each char(all upgraded to 7 slots) 1 120smith

(scripting not duping ) each char goes every what 5mins to pick up a bod meaning probably close to 1000 bods a day. As Val hammers are dropping on lower crafted bods with 100bods a day being turned in i cant really see it being that hard to amass that kind of hoarde...if driven and scripted.

A good example of one instance of how scripting can be devastating to other players playing the game without scripting.......

Now, if only the Developers did something to stop all this scripting, duping, hacking and cheating in the game.......

Why can't this fight (to eradicate this problems from the game for good) be made a #1 priority over anything else ???

I am totally astonished at how, after many many many years of existance the game is still plagued with these problems.

We STILL have these problems plaguing the game after so many many years.

It really is incredible to me, and sad.

 

[HD2300]

10 accounts with .1 smith on each char(all upgraded to 7 slots) 1 120smith

(scripting not duping ) each char goes every what 5mins to pick up a bod meaning probably close to 1000 bods a day. As Val hammers are dropping on lower crafted bods with 100bods a day being turned in i cant really see it being that hard to amass that kind of hoarde...if driven and scripted.

A good example of one instance of how scripting can be devastating to other players playing the game without scripting.......

Now, if only the Developers did something to stop all this scripting, duping, hacking and cheating in the game.......

Why can't this fight (to eradicate this problems from the game for good) be made a #1 priority over anything else ???

I am totally astonished at how, after many many many years of existance the game is still plagued with these problems.

We STILL have these problems plaguing the game after so many many years.

It really is incredible to me, and sad.

Everyone one knows why nothing has been done. If EA stops scripting and cheating then a lot of accounts will shut down.

1 account x 6 characters x 23 hours x 25 shards = 3450 BS bods per account per day

How about allowing each account a maximum of 50 logins per day? Easy.

 

[Eyes of Origin]

its hard to say but during the last dupe im sure there were plenty of dupers stockpiling thousands of val hammers just to hold til the heat died down, so this could have been a transaction of old duped items. or theres still a dupe or two running free and the gold selling sites/ mass vendors are keeping it secret so they dont get stopped again. Friend of mine said that the gold sites were selling 100 relic frags for 4 dollars only days after sa came out so either they found the easy way to make and unravel them or they were burning thru some duped hammers.

easy way for over 115 imbuing to make relics- rings with 13 each resist, this was told in another thread my imbuer is only at 101 so cant try it yet
this doesnt work I just tried it at 120 imbuing and got nothing but essence back.. tried in my house and in Tel Mur.

 

[Jhym]

*yawn*

Let me re-iterate that.

*YAWN*

 

[GWAR_LS]

O Btw It would be nice if somone would tell me Its ok for me too script................................................................................................................................................................................oops

 

[popps]

Everyone one knows why nothing has been done. If EA stops scripting and cheating then a lot of accounts will shut down.

1 account x 6 characters x 23 hours x 25 shards = 3450 BS bods per account per day

How about allowing each account a maximum of 50 logins per day? Easy.

CAPs, CAPs, CAPs and again CAPs to players' activities per account per day is, IMHO, the one way to address scripting.

If harvesting of resources, Library collectibles, Heartwood quests, Bulk Order Deeds and so forth were to be capped to an amount reasonable for a casual player, then a scripter would simply have not the possibility to mine or chop or do heartwood quests or Bulk Order Deeds over and over.

Upon reaching the quota for that day for the whole account the activity would yield no more chances at a drop.

Scripting would no longer grant any advantage over a casual player at least, for things like harvesting resources, BODs and so forth.

Personally, I think that having scripting in the game is a worse thing than having CAPs to players' activities.

 

[Brucie Kibbutz]

CAPs, CAPs, CAPs and again CAPs to players' activities per account per day is, IMHO, the one way to address scripting.

If harvesting of resources, Library collectibles, Heartwood quests, Bulk Order Deeds and so forth were to be capped to an amount reasonable for a casual player, then a scripter would simply have not the possibility to mine or chop or do heartwood quests or Bulk Order Deeds over and over.

Upon reaching the quota for that day for the whole account the activity would yield no more chances at a drop.

Scripting would no longer grant any advantage over a casual player at least, for things like harvesting resources, BODs and so forth.

Personally, I think that having scripting in the game is a worse thing than having CAPs to players' activities.

This, to me, is actually a very smart idea. Props to you, no sarcasm involved, I really do like this idea.

On a personal note, in my strongest opinion, if character transfers are active, duping is active.

 

[Vertigo]

this doesnt work I just tried it at 120 imbuing and got nothing but essence back.. tried in my house and in Tel Mur.

Wrong. This does not work at public forges. Only the Queens Forge.

 

[Connor_Graham]

CAPs, CAPs, CAPs and again CAPs to players' activities per account per day is, IMHO, the one way to address scripting.

If harvesting of resources, Library collectibles, Heartwood quests, Bulk Order Deeds and so forth were to be capped to an amount reasonable for a casual player

Do that and the several thousand accounts held by powergamers, or just those that have more time than most to play, would go bye bye, and so would UO.

 

[Connor_Graham]

this doesnt work I just tried it at 120 imbuing and got nothing but essence back.. tried in my house and in Tel Mur.

Wrong. This does not work at public forges. Only the Queens Forge.

And only with a gargoyle character...

 

[Kiminality]

CAPs, CAPs, CAPs and again CAPs to players' activities per account per day is, IMHO, the one way to address scripting.

No, no, no and again no.
You basically want to penalise playstyles that aren't yours, because of some whacky belief that more investment of time/effort shouldn't result in a proportionally greater return.