Tugsoft looking at making UOA for SA

[Mitzlplik_SP]

Case in point, the much needed greater dragon fix for PvP. Instead of a nice incremental fix, we get GD worse than some "lower" pets and drastically effecting PvM

What?

I`ve done everything from Tsuki wolves to Travesty with my trusty Gdragon. I notice little if any difference in his performance. As a matter of fact,if I wasn`t a reader of Stratics and didn`t know about the nerf, I wouldn`t have noticed a difference at all.

There isn`t another pet out there or in my stables that could absorb what the Gdragon can. I`m just unsure how the very minor nerf could have such a drastic effect on PvM. For me its had zero impact.

As for UOA for the EC....... Bring it!!! That would definately get me into the EC alot more. I like the EC but the little things it doesn`t have is what keeps me in 2d,like corpse names upon death I REALLY miss that. I hate not having my bandaid timer or a readable reg count. What I mean by readable is its very hard to read anything in those hotbars especially if ya resized them.Maybe if the info inside them was red instead of black they`d be easier to read.

All in all I`d LOVE UOA for EC and most certainly I would end up playing the EC alot more. *runs over to send feedback to Tugsoft*

 

[jfkeach]

I'm confused. What 'new 2D client' are you using? There are two clients. The enhanced, which doesn't work with uoa anyway, and the classic, which is our regular 2D client we've been using for years. There has been absolutely no need to switch to a new client.
For a short period there was a 2D version which was patched with SA content for testing, as soon as the content went live and was therefore patched into our regular client that version became obsolete.

I installed the legacy client from the EA site. Its a newer version than the one I had on CD. Doesnt take hours and hours to patch. Might be the same client in the long run, but I wanted to be sure i had the best 2d client.

 

[Harlequin]

Thats why there are like 7 diff programs exactly like uoa but free hmmmm why? Cause the source has been out there since 98 the guy just managed to get it uopro and now charges people for it.

He has charged for it even before the UOPro program. Others charge for theirs as well, 1 of these I remember was called UOTrainer (if anyone remembers that proggy).

Too bad UOE didn't go pro, I would have used it too, since it was free. But it probably had too much that needed toning down before the OSI folks would agree to UOPro it.

The thing is, without some incentives, people tend to give up updating their apps. See UOAM for example.

So I don't really mind. It's just a 1 time 5-buck fee for perpetual updates. 5 bucks divided by 12 years, divided by 12 months. That's 3.4 cents a month. I'd call that getting my money's worth



Note: I mention UOE and UOTrainer by name because these are defunct apps. Please refrain from mentioning existing 3rd party apps by name that are not legal. Refer to them as "UOE-type" or "UOA-type" programs if needed.

 

[Vyal]

You paid for a remake of someone elses open source project.
Actually come to think of it it's against the law to take a open source project re code re compile and distribute but oo well I don't support anything that guy does.

 

[Harlequin]

You paid for a remake of someone elses open source project.
Actually come to think of it it's against the law to take a open source project re code re compile and distribute but oo well I don't support anything that guy does.

I do not know the specifics of what licenses the original open source project was under, but generally, developers are free to use any part of the open source, modify it for their own uses, recompile and redistribute it. Serious.

The app and distribution must of course, adhere to the original license. Such as free distribution. However, the developer can charge for other services, like support etc.

Now, that's considering the dev is direct ripping the the source code. If he just takes the idea and does something similar without ripping the code, that's entirely different.

 

[MissEcho]

If they approve this for the Enhanced Client then I am afraid I will be closing my 5 accounts and leaving. I am certainly not going to pay for a third party app when 90% of UOA's current functions have already been incorporated into the EC.

If EA/Mythic approve this, at the expense of actually building or improving the functionality of the EC so that the overall aim is for a stand alone game not one that uses 'private' apps developed by individuals, then I am afraid they have learnt NOTHING from the past. I will not support a company that basically cannot or refuses to learn from it's mistakes.

This game has been totally held back in development and functionality due to the crutches of UOA and UOAM if they go that road again I do not see the point in continuing any kind of support.

 

[MorganaLeFey]

If they approve this for the Enhanced Client then I am afraid I will be closing my 5 accounts and leaving. I am certainly not going to pay for a third party app when 90% of UOA's current functions have already been incorporated into the EC.

If EA/Mythic approve this, at the expense of actually building or improving the functionality of the EC so that the overall aim is for a stand alone game not one that uses 'private' apps developed by individuals, then I am afraid they have learnt NOTHING from the past. I will not support a company that basically cannot or refuses to learn from it's mistakes.

This game has been totally held back in development and functionality due to the crutches of UOA and UOAM if they go that road again I do not see the point in continuing any kind of support.

It doesn't work for the Enhanced Client. Only Classic, as always.

 

[Fink]

Why doesn't Tugsoft just join the ranks of the EC modders? Conversely, why doesn't Mythic allow modders the same "access" as Tugsoft?

I don't see that one person should charge a fee for their mods when others are willing to simply contribute for the good of the game. The modders basically extended the life of KR well beyond expectation, then embraced EC wholeheartedly, and have been working on improving it without having negotiated any sort of "deal". They need to decide if they're going to allow free player mods or farm out their work to a third party paid service because there is a clear conflict of interest in pursuing both options.

 

[jfkeach]

If they approve this for the Enhanced Client then I am afraid I will be closing my 5 accounts and leaving. I am certainly not going to pay for a third party app when 90% of UOA's current functions have already been incorporated into the EC.

If EA/Mythic approve this, at the expense of actually building or improving the functionality of the EC so that the overall aim is for a stand alone game not one that uses 'private' apps developed by individuals, then I am afraid they have learnt NOTHING from the past. I will not support a company that basically cannot or refuses to learn from it's mistakes.

This game has been totally held back in development and functionality due to the crutches of UOA and UOAM if they go that road again I do not see the point in continuing any kind of support.

I for one, like a lot of other people prefer the Legacy client, which does not have the functionality of the Enhanced client. I actually get nauseous when trying to play 3d games, so I am stuck with UO and the Legacy client. So, I pay for UOAssist, and am DA**ED glad it is available.

And no, it is not illegal to charge money for open source coded programs, if you did all of the application development yourself. Linux distributors do it all the time. You can't charge for the development tools, but the applications you built you can.

 

[Thangorodrim]

If they approve this for the Enhanced Client then I am afraid I will be closing my 5 accounts and leaving. I am certainly not going to pay for a third party app when 90% of UOA's current functions have already been incorporated into the EC.

If EA/Mythic approve this, at the expense of actually building or improving the functionality of the EC so that the overall aim is for a stand alone game not one that uses 'private' apps developed by individuals, then I am afraid they have learnt NOTHING from the past. I will not support a company that basically cannot or refuses to learn from it's mistakes.

This game has been totally held back in development and functionality due to the crutches of UOA and UOAM if they go that road again I do not see the point in continuing any kind of support.

I think you nailed it.

Also, I don't think bringing the EC to this level would require significant development.

The UOAM functionality has to be substantially present already, certainly the required data is sitting in the server processes.

There might be more work replicating a few of the UOA functions, but its not more than a piece of a publish.

 

[EnigmaMaitreya]

Why doesn't Tugsoft just join the ranks of the EC modders? Conversely, why doesn't Mythic allow modders the same "access" as Tugsoft?...

In my opinion, this may be a simple case of a legacy agreement. I am not sure why EA/Mythic should be expected to extend it to the Enhanced Client.

Let us assume that part of the legacy agreement requires Tugsoft to comply with EA/Mythics demand for not doing things that could be done. (That is a generalization to make it simple)

Now then do the Modders have a willingness to comply and NOT do something they know how to do? I think the guys here would certainly comply but would everyone that knows how to comply?

 

[Vyal]

There are still open source license out ther you must go by you just can't simple take someones source code and claim it to be yours mod it a bit and charge people for it.

Depending on the license if any at all. I havn't check'd to see if there was one but in any event it's just wrong.

I don't support anything the guy does like I said I think there are much better FREE programs to use rather then pay any type of fee for something that is a rip off and not half as good as something I can use for free.

 

[Jack Parker]

Ok so i def want uoa on the enhanced client! So im going to try a lil something that makes all my friends do stupid stuff... I bet you wont!

 

[MissEcho]

It doesn't work for the Enhanced Client. Only Classic, as always.

Yeah I know it doesn't but the OP was about them allowing a redraw of UO Assist to work with the Enhanced Client.

Originally Posted by JFKeach:
I actually get nauseous when trying to play 3d games, so I am stuck with UO and the Legacy client.

The Enhanced Client is not a 3d game it is basically a refreshed 2d client with a different UI. The item art is all 2d, the landscapes while softer are still 2d and the same goes for the avatar and the aspect of the avatar. There is nothing 3d about the enhanced client at all that I can see.

Originally Posted by Fink:
Why doesn't Tugsoft just join the ranks of the EC modders? Conversely, why doesn't Mythic allow modders the same "access" as Tugsoft?

I don't see that one person should charge a fee for their mods when others are willing to simply contribute for the good of the game. The modders basically extended the life of KR well beyond expectation, then embraced EC wholeheartedly, and have been working on improving it without having negotiated any sort of "deal". They need to decide if they're going to allow free player mods or farm out their work to a third party paid service because there is a clear conflict of interest in pursuing both options.

Totally agree.