Imbuing gets harder and more expensive

[miss uo]

I tried that this morning. I can still get more residue by crafting and unraveling oak bokutos than by any farming. Miasma might be faster, but someone would have to loot while the other did the killing. I might see if I can find someone that wants to team up for a few hours and split whatever we get.[/QUOTE]

I use the crafting method also, but for a change I do the farmer nash quest. You can also collect a few gems and ingredients from looting the void deamons, raptors and silver serpents. I am not quit sure what void orb, void essence,and silver snake skins are use for but I am collecting them.

 

[Stigmatas]

I think they should have left it as it was. Imbuing is expensive as hell to train. With the amount of gold that gets spent just on gems to blow through, you could buy every single val hammer crafted armor piece you need in Luna to outfit several characters.

And this is supposed to equalize things for newbies?

Yeah, right. The old Dallas Cowboy's stadium is for sale. I'll give you a hell of a deal on it....

This!

It's too expensive to train. And you thought smithy and tailoring used resources! I know we need gold sinks in UO, but not everybody has 10 trillion in the bank acquired from "hard work". I wish the dev's would realize that.

I'm at 85 now. I don't even know how much residue I've burnt through. A bunch. Plus I've already blown a million GP on gems. Lame.

You know, the folks that already got to 120 are not necessarily cheaters or anything like that. They just were prepared and knew what they were doing. Terrific. Wonderful. Who gives a crap.

BUT. On the other end of the stick, the devs and players alike need to realize that it's a game, and it needs to be enjoyable. Making any skill a huge gold/item/resource sink of endless clicking and repetitive bull ****......not fun.

It was overboard before, and they just took away more options...thus making it even more painful. I think I'll get to 95.1 (enough to make a stupid stinking forge) and quit. Then sit back and watch until someone pulls their head out of their ass and brings some moderation to training this freaking bear of a skill.

Either that or wait until someone discovers how to get 50K+ residue (my estimate) without farming endlessly for days/weeks/months at a time just to get resources.

 

[mjolnir131]

i applaud them for making imbuing harder. people should NOT have been able to reach 120 in two days. i don't care how 'hard' they pressed their macros. if imbuing is as powerful as i've been hearing, it ought to take months to legendary it.. and it should cost millions.

no matter how hard you make it there is always be carpel tunnel pilots that do it in an unimaginable amount of time there always will be so to punish the rest of us for the 2 hours a night sleep guys is so unfair

 

[hawkeye_pike]

I always wonder why they don't make it too difficult in the first place, and then step by step soften it up a bit, instead of vice versa? This way, those who were fast have a great advantage, while those who take their time are the fools.

P.S.: I'm all for Imbuing being very difficult to raise, but now it's kindof unfair against the players who did not spend 24/7 at the soul forge during the first days of SA.

 

[Lord Frodo]

This!

It's too expensive to train. And you thought smithy and tailoring used resources! I know we need gold sinks in UO, but not everybody has 10 trillion in the bank acquired from "hard work". I wish the dev's would realize that.

I'm at 85 now. I don't even know how much residue I've burnt through. A bunch. Plus I've already blown a million GP on gems. Lame.

You know, the folks that already got to 120 are not necessarily cheaters or anything like that. They just were prepared and knew what they were doing. Terrific. Wonderful. Who gives a crap.

BUT. On the other end of the stick, the devs and players alike need to realize that it's a game, and it needs to be enjoyable. Making any skill a huge gold/item/resource sink of endless clicking and repetitive bull ****......not fun.

It was overboard before, and they just took away more options...thus making it even more painful. I think I'll get to 95.1 (enough to make a stupid stinking forge) and quit. Then sit back and watch until someone pulls their head out of their ass and brings some moderation to training this freaking bear of a skill.

Either that or wait until someone discovers how to get 50K+ residue (my estimate) without farming endlessly for days/weeks/months at a time just to get resources.

Burned 100K iron ingots and made Small platemail Jingasa and got back over 10K Magical Residue. Gonna do bows with oak now. 7 oak per bow (easier to get exp) for 2 Magical Residue per. I have over 100K of these too. The only money I spent was 2 mil (chump change in UO now a days) on amber and citrine. I am at 98.3 (I still have resources left) and so far this has only cost me 2 mil and time. The ingots/lumber (sitting at my house) were from GMing Mining and LJ. Now it has been a long time since I GMed a Smith/Carp but I do remember going through ingots/lumber like mad.

What are you making to imbue. I switched to Small platemail Jingasa for mbuing. Add LRC then add LUCK (x9) and still getting .5 per 10 Small platemail Jingasa Imbues.

 

[Basara]

My personal opinion is that in terms of resources, you can mine/buy iron - residue & essence on the other hand....

As long as I'm training on one-property items, I will be unraveling after one shot, not 10, to conserve residue. As a Mining fanatic and frequent shopper at the wandering gypsy camps of Ilshenar, a supply of iron is NOT an issue, and I've got plenty of ASH+10 & +15.

 

[Myna]

where does the info comes form that imbue is getting harder?

did they make it harder already? if not, will it be a server or client patch?

 

[Stigmatas]

The oak bokuto/bow method still works. But only if you have a huge stockpile thats been sitting around for years. I burned through my pile of 16k or so already. They hosed the method for getting residue from ingots. That hurt. You cant get residue from ingots anymore. Unless you burn a freaking runic hammer.

So to get massive amounts of stupid residue, you must:

Either have a billion runic hammers
Have a billion oak logs

Hunt and loot EVERYTHING for the next twenty years to unravel to get a billion residue.

Fun!

Considering I will not mine because I find it not fun ...because its not and games should be fun...that method is out.

Lumberjacking...same

The only real method to get residue will be to hunt endless junk crap. Which is the method I will explicitly use now. It works, but its slow.

I'm really starting to hate MMORPG's.

Repetition and boredom. All this talk of "hard work". LOL.

It's a game. Or at least a facsimile of one.

Fallout 3...now thats fun!

 

[Toptwo]

I made it to 120 imbuing in 19 hours. It isnt all THAT expensive. I figure I spent about 10-12 Mil in gems, and about 18-20k magic residue. Also, I wasn't looking for the "cheap" way to do it, I was trying for the fastest less clicky way to do it, so I am sure it could be done MUCH cheaper then I did it.

 

[Connor_Graham]

It isnt all THAT expensive. I figure I spent about 10-12 Mil in gems, and about 18-20k magic residue..

That's more gold than a VERY large portion of the playerbase has ever seen, much less have sitting around to blow on training a skill.

Expensive is a matter of persepective. I think a Lamborghini is expensive, but it may as well be a Yugo as far as the cost is concerned if you happen to be Bill Gates.

 

[Toptwo]

But there are a LOT of ppl whining about the cost of training this skill, but I bet half of them have pcs of armor that cost WAY more then 10 mil...just think, when your done training, you will be able to make your own stuff, possibly saving you 100's of millions of gold.

 

[UOKaiser]

That's more gold than a VERY large portion of the playerbase has ever seen, much less have sitting around to blow on training a skill.

Expensive is a matter of persepective. I think a Lamborghini is expensive, but it may as well be a Yugo as far as the cost is concerned if you happen to be Bill Gates.

All I know am smiling remmebering all the post by people who say they don't need gold and whats the point of having so much gold. Yep I have a big smile now just like I had one then.

 

[Widow Maker]

Weaklings!!! It IS supposed to be hard and expensive!!!

3 days to Legendary from 0 from opening day. You just had to have been smart enough to stock up on the stuff you needed BEFORE the release, when it was cheap.

It pays to be smarter than the average bear. The DEVs have done this right and true. The game should not suffer for your lack of forethought...a concept that is amazingly absent from most anything born after about 1970. Thank you Dr. Spock...you POS!!

Suck it up...it is SUPPOSED to be hard.

 

[Maplestone]

(not to rain on a good group rant but I notice that some costs in imbuing have actually been lowered - so it's easier, not harder)

edit: nevermind ... apparently I can't tell the difference between a "3" and a "4"

 

[Demonous]

why does the expansion come out without imbuing being set to what it will permanently be.... instead, a few people that power level to 120 get to take advantage of less material cost and everyone else now gets screwed over

 

[phantus]

Weaklings!!! It IS supposed to be hard and expensive!!!

3 days to Legendary from 0 from opening day. You just had to have been smart enough to stock up on the stuff you needed BEFORE the release, when it was cheap.

It pays to be smarter than the average bear. The DEVs have done this right and true. The game should not suffer for your lack of forethought...a concept that is amazingly absent from most anything born after about 1970. Thank you Dr. Spock...you POS!!

Suck it up...it is SUPPOSED to be hard.

You...uh......have a little bit of frothing anger on your chin there...*points*

 

[Connor_Graham]

You...uh......have a little bit of frothing anger on your chin there...*points*

I think that may be some on his left shoe there too...

 

[Ender]

You...uh......have a little bit of frothing anger on your chin there...*points*

I think that may be some on his left shoe there too...

And a puddle on the floor too...

 

[Myna]

i dont care about costs, but time ... i am not a 24/7 player

 

[Flutter]

there is some very very easy ways to get magical residue

I can do 200 in under 10 mins.

Think about it... the answer is looking you dead in the face.

Wow this post was helpful...
From a mod too...

 

[Flutter]

Weaklings!!! It IS supposed to be hard and expensive!!!

3 days to Legendary from 0 from opening day. You just had to have been smart enough to stock up on the stuff you needed BEFORE the release, when it was cheap.

It pays to be smarter than the average bear. The DEVs have done this right and true. The game should not suffer for your lack of forethought...a concept that is amazingly absent from most anything born after about 1970. Thank you Dr. Spock...you POS!!

Suck it up...it is SUPPOSED to be hard.

Um yeah those of us lucky enough to be in beta and to know what you were going to need...
The rest of the population can just suck it up right?

 

[mjolnir131]

Weaklings!!! It IS supposed to be hard and expensive!!!

3 days to Legendary from 0 from opening day. You just had to have been smart enough to stock up on the stuff you needed BEFORE the release, when it was cheap.

It pays to be smarter than the average bear. The DEVs have done this right and true. The game should not suffer for your lack of forethought...a concept that is amazingly absent from most anything born after about 1970. Thank you Dr. Spock...you POS!!

Suck it up...it is SUPPOSED to be hard.

please read/reread ten post above this one again, read slow so you gegt it all

 

[Myna]

there is some very very easy ways to get magical residue

I can do 200 in under 10 mins.

Think about it... the answer is looking you dead in the face.

gems on the other hand, is painful

you need 10 min to make 100 oak bows? omg ... maybe you should rethink your method

 

[Stigmatas]

no matter how hard you make it there is always be carpel tunnel pilots that do it in an unimaginable amount of time there always will be so to punish the rest of us for the 2 hours a night sleep guys is so unfair

Carpal tunnel pilots!!!! It made me LOL IRL n stuff.

 

[ElRay]

Imbuing is not hard at all. I am at 82 skill with minimal effort. Although gems are ridiculous in price, which hinders the newer players. Imbuing isnt meant to be easy mode and Im not finding this to be too difficult. The people who are complaining about it now, seem to complain pretty much about EVERYTHING, and blow things waaay out of proportion imo.

 

[ElRay]

Um yeah those of us lucky enough to be in beta and to know what you were going to need...
The rest of the population can just suck it up right?

People were posting waaaaaaaay before Stygian Abyss came out what to do and what to collect for imbuing. Its not like you dont practically live at this website, so claiming ignorance seems futile on your behalf.

 

[Gheed]

People were posting waaaaaaaay before Stygian Abyss came out what to do and what to collect for imbuing. Its not like you dont practically live at this website, so claiming ignorance seems futile on your behalf.

Even a step further, I wasn't interested in imbuing. The only thing I knew was you were going to get some of the mats from unraveling magical weapons. I didnt keep up on any threads about it and I avoided it in the beta. When the expansion went live I found a very practical use for it. I want to outfit my army of mules in all 70's/LMC/mr/+mana suits to handle the color room quest. So I took it up.

I'll be 120 tonight and then I'll start farming for mats to make the suits... I also kept @2000 pcs of colored armor from the invasions. So they will look pretty cool.

 

[bumblefutz]

Let's pretend someone isn't pulling 50,000 duped arties off a storage account and mass producing all this crap as we speak.

 

[jack flash uk]

I think you're wrong on this. In fact, I know you are as I'm making, then unraveling, items made from oak, and am still getting the same amount of residue. I think the change they made is probably with crafting items that give back more residue than was used to make them.

Sorry panic over, it doe swork, just less residue i think

panic over!

 

[Connor_Graham]

Let's pretend someone isn't pulling 50,000 duped arties off a storage account and mass producing all this crap as we speak.

If someone had that many arties to unravel, they'd do better selling colored soul forges than making items. I highly doubt you'll see anyone mass producing items except for possibly some generic types.

 

[Connor_Graham]

Sorry panic over, it doe swork, just less residue i think

panic over!

I hope so, since I managed to unravel 8k worth of residue today using the same methods I've been using.

 

[Deepwoods]

I have to agree with Maplestone that in some areas of imbuing are cheaper !!
you can also get around 150 to 200 Residue every 10 to 15 min and it is right under your fingertips

 

[Storm]

Just tell us how instead of being ******bags.

create bokuto's with carpenter using a talisman to boost exceptional as high as you can make them in unravel bag when bag is full unravel ALL items and for about 300 oak you will get 80-100 residue and will have 0-10 bokutos that are not exceptional throw these away ... rinse and repeat i made about 1000 in about 30 min

 

[Storm]

works out to about 1k residue per 3k oak

 

[Aristillus]

Imbuing is not any harder to train then before!

All they did was get rid of the ability to unravel exceptional mage armor. I am surprised they didn't get rid of the ability to unravel oak.

These are not the only way to gain residue! I hunted for things to unravel from about 103-120....It can be done! and I didn't play all day 24/7 to do it either.
And anyone that is using more than a couple million in gems is doing it wrong!

I didn't play in beta until it was open and I still realized that stocking up on items to unravel was going to be helpful. If you don't use all the resources available to you, like UO Assist macros, and all the info from people that have done it have posted, then quit complaining! this skill is not as hard as people are whining about....just because you cant throw on some skill jewels like every other skill now is no reason to cry



Aristillus

 

[Flutter]

Um yeah those of us lucky enough to be in beta and to know what you were going to need...
The rest of the population can just suck it up right?

People were posting waaaaaaaay before Stygian Abyss came out what to do and what to collect for imbuing. Its not like you dont practically live at this website, so claiming ignorance seems futile on your behalf.

I'm not speaking on my behalf oh so smart one.... learn some reading comprehension.

 

[ElRay]

I'm not speaking on my behalf oh so smart one.... learn some reading comprehension.

LOL, so youre *speaking* for other people. How about you let those other people do the *speaking for themselves* eh? Amazing concept I know.

And like I said, the information was there, IF you looked hard enough.

 

[Bullet]

Are you serious DEVs???

Yes they are very serious, the crafting trade has been torn apart for the last 3 years and now that we have a chance to get it back together they are tearing it apart again!
Umm if you consider the 30 minuts it takes to do doom or other such areas to get a uber weapon and compare it to the countless hours it takes to get the items to make a comparable item crafting. Well us Crafters are still at the bottom of the barrel. Ok lets start with a GM imbuer. Hmm how many hours does he need to spend to make a item that compares with a doon artie? The gems? the special ingrediants? the items that must be broken down into relic fragments. Yup they @#$% us crafters again.

 

[Flutter]

I'm not speaking on my behalf oh so smart one.... learn some reading comprehension.

LOL, so youre *speaking* for other people. How about you let those other people do the *speaking for themselves* eh? Amazing concept I know.

And like I said, the information was there, IF you looked hard enough.

I know this is a new concept and might be really hard for you to understand since you didn't understand my first post, but there are a LOT of people who don't read stratics or know how to "look hard enough". Still others don't want to be "spoiled" so to speak and play naturally without being told the "easy way" so they don't read such posts.
Besides the point, by the time the NDA was lifted and people DID start posting about imbuing it was too late for anyone to "stock up" unless they wanted to pay inflated prices.

 

[Petra Fyde]

Lets keep it polite, people, please.

1. when a property gets high-cost to imbue look at putting on 2 properties instead, it can work out cheaper.
2. Fastest bag filling mob to kill I've found so far is bake kitsunes. Bigger stuff takes longer to kill.
3. making in Oak and unravelling is only quicker if you don't have to first chop the oak.
4. What's the rush? So what if someone got to 120 before you, as far as I'm aware we're not in a race.

 

[ElRay]

I know this is a new concept and might be really hard for you to understand since you didn't understand my first post, but there are a LOT of people who don't read stratics or know how to "look hard enough"

If they didnt look hard enough whos fault is that? Especially when all that information was available on what was required for imbuing. Sorry, but your arguement is weak at best.

 

[ElRay]

Besides the point, by the time the NDA was lifted and people DID start posting about imbuing it was too late for anyone to "stock up" unless they wanted to pay inflated prices.

Im pretty sure people knew to stock up on low level items to unravel for ingredients MONTHS before stygian abyss came out.....those that bothered to *research* about imbuing that is.

 

[ElRay]

Still others don't want to be "spoiled" so to speak and play naturally without being told the "easy way" so they don't read such posts.
:

Im just picking this post apart/

If *others* dont want to be spoiled and go the *easy way* then they have nothing to complain about imbuing being hard!!

 

[Petra Fyde]

RTLFC

I am absolutely sick and tired of accusations against Beta testers taking unfair advantage. Most were too busy trying help fix bugs to even log in to their own shards, never mind spend time stockpiling resources.

Please thoroughly read this page: http://uo.stratics.com/php-bin/show_content.php?content=30889
It was written from information publicly available, by a member of my staff who was not in beta and before open beta. Please note well the following sentences:

Q: It was mentioned that now would be a good time to stock up on mundane weapons. Is it also good to stock up on mundane armor and jewlery too?
A: You can. If your intent is to unravel them into Imbuing ingredients.

Regular gems, such as the gems found in treasure chests, loot off monsters, vendors, etc. are always used in Imbuing.

 

[Nukeworker]

Imbuing is getting harder? hmm? Well at the moment I am at 99 imbue...and of course the gains are slowing down ....like any other skill in UO at that level...And we all knew that imbue was one helluva expensive bugger! Unless they changed the rescource value needed to imbue an item nothing in my opinion has changed. well that is my opinion as I didnt have any low end runics to craft anything.

When I first started training the greatest prob was and everyone will agree with me is getting the rescources.

At lower Imbue skill like 40-70 I sent my fighter out to south of yew to farm lichs.. he was carrying a unravel bag and filled it up in about 15 minutes...As the spawn is fast and abundant. Then put it in my house grabbed another bag and ...etc

After I hit 70 Imbue I sent my tamer out to our favorite Scorpion...Miasma..and I did some testing there. I wanted to know if wearing a luck suit has any effect on the items I get when I unravel them.


I did five rounds (filling 5 unravel bags, also looting gold and chests until I couldnt carry more) at miasma which took me about 30-45 minutes to complete. I did that amount of rounds as I reckon the amount of items I pull out should give a good result for statistics

Here are the results for wearing my standard hunt suit with my tamer (he had 172 luck on his suit)

In total my char training imbue (currently at 99) unraveeld a total of 347 armor and weopon pieces. He 494 magic residue and 155 Enhanced Essence. from the 3 chests he got he unraveled out of 36 items 45MR and 20EE.

so now with my best 100 lrc suit with 1,4k of luck

after likewise 5 rounds (amount of time needed was similar) I unraveled 389 armor and weopon pieces to give me 508 MR and 207 EE..I also got 3 chests ...apparently luck has no influence on that..well from the chests I even got less ....36 items gave me 54MR and 13EE...oh and I did get two arties ( a boomstick and quiver of rage)...I didnt even notice them until I finished my last round i was so concentrated on looting the miasma corpses I didnt even notice.

To compare both results? well when it comes to MR I would say they both fall in the same standard deviation mathematically speaking...well I assume

On the other hand the low luck suit gave with 347 armor pieces a total of 649 MR and EE...with 1,4k of luck I got 389 armor pieces unraveled to a total of 715 MR and EE...*shruggs*

 

[Connor_Graham]

4. What's the rush? So what if someone got to 120 before you, as far as I'm aware we're not in a race.

I'll field this one....


We just want to get this extremely boring and highly expensive skill trained up so we can move on to enjoying all of the other new content to it's fullest, possibly with some newly imbued items to beef our chars up, without having this unfinished skill hanging over our heads.

 

[Winker]

Lets keep it polite, people, please.


4. What's the rush? So what if someone got to 120 before you, as far as I'm aware we're not in a race.

Well Petra thats the question i expect EVREY PvM'er to ask. The point is that People have got to 120 before things changed, these people now have the Upper hand in PvP and will continue to have the upper hand now for weeks to come. These people can now imbue Ubber weapons and Armor, while the rest of us have to try and make do with lesser items, and we all know that PvP is item bassed these days

 

[Connor_Graham]

Well Petra thats the question i expect EVREY PvM'er to ask. The point is that People have got to 120 before things changed, these people now have the Upper hand in PvP and will continue to have the upper hand now for weeks to come. These people can now imbue Ubber weapons and Armor, while the rest of us have to try and make do with lesser items, and we all know that PvP is item bassed these days

I find it very hard to believe that an experienced PvP'r suddenly stands no chance against someone with 120 Imbuing. Don't most of them already have the 300+ mil suits with nearly every mod at max intensity? I know with my chars, the only thing I'm really needing on any of them is jewels. Armor and weps are all top end, and I have no need to make anything other than jewels for them, and that's just to fine tune what I've already got.

 

[Winker]

I find it very hard to believe that an experienced PvP'r suddenly stands no chance against someone with 120 Imbuing. Don't most of them already have the 300+ mil suits with nearly every mod at max intensity? I know with my chars, the only thing I'm really needing on any of them is jewels. Armor and weps are all top end, and I have no need to make anything other than jewels for them, and that's just to fine tune what I've already got.

Thats compleate and utter bawbag I know of 3 maybe 4 players who have maxed out suits, but what can now be imbued onto a suit blows all their ubber gear out the watter. How many people do you see running around with EVERY part of their suit with 5 mods on them? Then weapons to match? Yes there are a few but the majority of the PvP comunity make do on lesser items

Oh and 1 last thing, I never said We stand no chance did i? If you read what i said which you must not have done, you will see i said that these people who have 120 imbuing now Have the Upper hand!

Just incase you missed it i said now Have the Upper hand!

 

[Nukeworker]

Lets keep it polite, people, please.

1. when a property gets high-cost to imbue look at putting on 2 properties instead, it can work out cheaper.
2. Fastest bag filling mob to kill I've found so far is bake kitsunes. Bigger stuff takes longer to kill.
3. making in Oak and unravelling is only quicker if you don't have to first chop the oak.
4. What's the rush? So what if someone got to 120 before you, as far as I'm aware we're not in a race.

What can I say!...Amen!

And if someone actually did it in 3 days? So what! He either had peops helping him getting the rescources or he just simply played 18 hours a day...Well good for him and congrats At the time SA came out I actually had to work in RL meaning I only trained at the most 3 hours a day that is also including getting the rescources...And I am still very satisfied with my progress!