You forgot or disregarded the other post about a paragon cu. There are others imho. Send in the GD and then a Cu on the paragon Cu that does all cold and energy damage. Take a cu and watch them heal and kill liches and lich lords in fire dungeon in the little room then leave a GD in there in the same situation. Take them vs paragon rotting corpses. All this changes to negligable with the tamers skills enhancing the pet but there are situations you need to pick the right pet.My 2cp's,
Greater Dragon in every single case is the best tank for taking damage.
Yes one can look at Resists and think that some pet can last longer but they are not taking into account the defensive bonus for the Legendary skills of the Greater Dragons, Let alone the what potentially +40% Hit Points.
And if you factor in the Damage Output then again nothing we have available is going to out damage a GD over time.
Yah, the CU healing itself and you is nice and all but is really over rated vs anything doing significant damage. It isn't the healing that makes vs Cold / Energy the Cu look good it is the Resists that does that. And Energy is only a 10% differential between the GD and the Cu.
I do not want to be perceived as downplaying the Cu. I love em and play em all the time. But really you want to stick a slab of meat out there to take damage then it is always the Greater Dragon.
And I am not sure if anyone else has noticed it or if it is just my GD's but they are out healing and out curing me .... when I am Greater Heal/Curing them.
And this link provides very good information about your pets and their foes.
UO Stratics - Hunter's Guide
Wow, what a .... Ok, so your going to tell me, that you have a Cu that you can send in, BY ITSELF vs a Paragon Cu Sideh and it will kill that Cu Sideh, a Paragon RC and it will Kill that Paragon RC.You forgot or disregarded the other post about a paragon cu. There are others imho. Send in the GD and then a Cu on the paragon Cu that does all cold and energy damage. Take a cu and watch them heal and kill liches and lich lords in fire dungeon in the little room then leave a GD in there in the same situation. Take them vs paragon rotting corpses. All this changes to negligable with the tamers skills enhancing the pet but there are situations you need to pick the right pet.
Lets not even talk about Crimson Dragons ability to make your GD go wild hehe
i didnt say kill by itself but were talking about tanks....you want to time what lives the longest vs a paragon cu a well trained GD or a well trained Cu.You have a cu sihde that kills para cus? I have a cu with 598 hp and 93% or higher on every resist and he can't do it. Mind posting the cu's stats and your tactics? I'm very interested to hear your strategy.
Lol, testy aren't we when we're proven wrong? You are the one spouting gibberish not me.My 2cp's,
Greater Dragon in every single case is the best tank for taking damage.
Yes one can look at Resists and think that some pet can last longer but they are not taking into account the defensive bonus for the Legendary skills of the Greater Dragons, Let alone the what potentially +40% Hit Points.
And if you factor in the Damage Output then again nothing we have available is going to out damage a GD over time.
Yah, the CU healing itself and you is nice and all but is really over rated vs anything doing significant damage. It isn't the healing that makes vs Cold / Energy the Cu look good it is the Resists that does that. And Energy is only a 10% differential between the GD and the Cu.
I do not want to be perceived as downplaying the Cu. I love em and play em all the time. But really you want to stick a slab of meat out there to take damage then it is always the Greater Dragon.
And I am not sure if anyone else has noticed it or if it is just my GD's but they are out healing and out curing me .... when I am Greater Heal/Curing them.
And this link provides very good information about your pets and their foes.
UO Stratics - Hunter's Guide
Yeah I did and by a 1000% increase it was the GD with me Vetting both at the same rate.i didnt say kill by itself but were talking about tanks....you want to time what lives the longest vs a paragon cu a well trained GD or a well trained Cu.
ONLY ONE pet meets that criteria.....what's (generally) the best tank type pet?
Highest resists/HP/wrestling.
Something that can take a beating while somebody else's pack rips the target to shreds.
You proved absolutely nothing. You made an assertion and apparently believe it to be true. You need to pay very careful attention here, I said the Event Only Mobs were designed to Negate the Greater Dragon. Clearly you were not in any of those engagements with a Greater Dragon and YES THEY WERE ABLE TO SURVIVE and easily outperform the Cu. One simply needed to understand the attack mechanism of the Event Mob and MITIGATE IT, which was doable. Perhaps you may want to read the threads here and in UOHall on how to do that for the next time.Lol, testy aren't we when we're proven wrong? You are the one spouting gibberish not me.
That is a very nice dragon but you posted opponents perfect for it...try the ones that AREN'T. In no way did i say that a GD is NOT the best for some situations. But they aren't the best for all situations.My GD is a great tank.
904 HP
Wrestling 125.1 max
Tactics 123.1 still going up
Resist Spell 119.7 max
Anat 100 max
magery 102.9 Low, I know
eval int 100 max
med 100 max
Took on 1 GD 2 Dragons and 2 Drakes at same time and I was able to vet him until all were dead. Can not beat the damage these things can do.
forget about the vetting...which lives longer? can i see? i don't mind being proven wrong...Yeah I did and by a 1000% increase it was the GD with me Vetting both at the same rate.
OR to make sure you understand this the CU did no noticeable damage to the Paragon Cu before it DIED and the Greater Dragon had the Paragon down TO 60% health.
And lets get the OP's question clear for you ....
ONLY ONE pet meets that criteria.
Unless you want to prove the Greater Dragon a wimp by taking your Cu vs Lizardmen and let a Pack rip em to shreds.
What do you mean alone?My greater dragon can kill para cus alone, whereas my cu cannot.
Which lives longer? Do you even have a Greater Dragon and have you ever engaged a Paragon Cu with it? Lived longer? Sheesh what you think the Greater Dealt 40% damage on the Paragon Cu (what 5K to 6K HP's) in 2 seconds? I told you the GD lasted 1000% longer if NOT A LOT MORE.forget about the vetting...which lives longer? can i see? i don't mind being proven wrong...
I've already said the skill of the tamer changes everything.
No, i'm not discounting that those GD skills rock. You're saying that if a Cu lasted 10 seconds then a GD would last at least 100?Which lives longer? Do you even have a Greater Dragon and have you ever engaged a Paragon Cu with it? Lived longer? Sheesh what you think the Greater Dealt 40% damage on the Paragon Cu (what 5K to 6K HP's) in 2 seconds? I told you the GD lasted 1000% longer if NOT A LOT MORE.
You really believe the GM healing on a Cu is NOT mitigated by Legendary+ Wrestling, Tactics? Let alone a Legendary+ Magery, and 100 EvalInt?
In case you are unaware, Legendary in this context means a skill of 120, so Legendary+ means 120+ skill, as in Wrestling 127.8, tactics 123.1, Magery 121.9 You really think that Cu GM healing (and HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE TO HEAL vs Greater Heals by the GD?) is better than the above?
You are saying you can discord a Paragon Cu?No, i'm not discounting that those GD skills rock. You're saying that if a Cu lasted 10 seconds then a GD would last at least 100?
I did just try it...maybe my memory is off but my cu lasted a lot longer than that and the GD didnt last any more. I am also going with my discord in there...as ive had it too long to remember what it was like without it. I now remember i wouldn't even start the attack of the paragon without it being discorded with 120 discord so maybe that changes the situation in favor of the cu as lesser wrestling and tactics on the paragon is like the GD's legendary skills in reverse. I still stand by my statement there are situations i would use a Cu over the GD. Liches and Lich Lords are still top of that list...If i died from their withers i had no doubt that my cu would live but i have doubts a GD would.
Sure. There isnt anything that can't be discorded unless it says you can't...the highest discord anything can have is 160 now. There are some things that while they aren't too tough for experienced players can't be affected at all by discord (golems). There is a pic that LadyNico has of her discorded 4 Paragon Cu's and fighting each other...which is the only way you can provoke them btw.You are saying you can discord a Paragon Cu?
My guildmate and I frequently kill paragon Cus. We use a Cu to tank the paragon and a pack of hell hounds to tear it to shreds. I have yet to see paragon cus die faster than that deadly combination.Yes, they won't do a lot of damage themselves, but that is the job for the supporting pets (in this case, a pack of ... something). But against other cu would be the ONLY time I would choose a cu in place of a greater dragon for the one-player-tanks, the other player uses a pack situation.
It takes several tries, but you can discord them. They have a barding difficulty of 160 (highest it can go).You are saying you can discord a Paragon Cu?
Here are the stat's of the Cu I use to kill paragon Cus:You have a cu sihde that kills para cus? I have a cu with 598 hp and 93% or higher on every resist and he can't do it. Mind posting the cu's stats and your tactics? I'm very interested to hear your strategy.
I was about to post that exact strategy. My cu has lower cold and energy resists though... and 65 physical, 43 fire, which makes it a very effective dragon/rikktor killer.Here are the stat's of the Cu I use to kill paragon Cus:
HP: 593
Resists: 56/45/84/45/85
Here is my basic strategy for killing them on my own.
1. Discord the paragon. This helps two ways: lowers the paragon's resists so I do more damage; lowers it's skills so it cannot heal as well.
2. Command my pet to kill.
3. Bandaid my cu as needed.
4. Cast poison on the paragon, so it has to focus it's healing attempts to cure, not heal damage.
You can easily lead a paragon cu to a safer area (away from potential changeling spawns) if you want.
Stayin Alive,
BG
When others and I are taming cus and we need to clear out the paragons, I will often just grab a fresh tamed cu with 80+ cold/energy resist for the tank pet. The other tamer will go get a beetle/mare (and if they don't have one, they take the cu and I get mine) and we will kill the paragons with ease. The beetle/mare combination is another good support cast for killing the paragons (still not as fast as those hell hounds though).I was about to post that exact strategy. My cu has lower cold and energy resists though... and 65 physical, 43 fire, which makes it a very effective dragon/rikktor killer.
If you play with someone else, that's my fave strategy. Normally, wife brings the tank, I bring the beetle and mare. She has peace/discord and I have peace/provoke. So that'll about cover anything we come up against.When others and I are taming cus and we need to clear out the paragons, I will often just grab a fresh tamed cu with 80+ cold/energy resist for the tank pet. The other tamer will go get a beetle/mare (and if they don't have one, they take the cu and I get mine) and we will kill the paragons with ease. The beetle/mare combination is another good support cast for killing the paragons (still not as fast as those hell hounds though).
Stayin Alive,
BG
In the context of the OP's question this .... well is not the Cu Tanking a Paragon and slot a GD in there and again the GD vastly out performs the Cu.1. Discord the paragon. This helps two ways: lowers the paragon's resists so I do more damage; lowers it's skills so it cannot heal as well.
BG
*Shrug* I have never engaged a Shimmering........
Cus are great during those times where you can't get close enough to your pet to vet due to area damage - like succubus and shimmering.
NPThat is a very nice dragon but you posted opponents perfect for it...try the ones that AREN'T. In no way did i say that a GD is NOT the best for some situations. But they aren't the best for all situations.My GD is a great tank.
904 HP
Wrestling 125.1 max
Tactics 123.1 still going up
Resist Spell 119.7 max
Anat 100 max
magery 102.9 Low, I know
eval int 100 max
med 100 max
Took on 1 GD 2 Dragons and 2 Drakes at same time and I was able to vet him until all were dead. Can not beat the damage these things can do.
You have a cu sihde that kills para cus? I have a cu with 598 hp and 93% or higher on every resist and he can't do it. Mind posting the cu's stats and your tactics? I'm very interested to hear your strategy.
Syrus asked how it was done and I directly answered his question. I included his question for reference.Now if we are off topic and all we are doing is bringing tactics on how to achieve a goal then fine.
This is pretty much my experience; although there are specialized situations where a cu or a rune beetle do well, GDs generally do very nearly as well. Granted, my cu only has like 85 healing (is there an easy way to train this?), so I'm not sure how much of a difference the extra 15 healing would make. But my experience is that cus just don't heal quite as often as I like -- a couple of times a minute usually. Compared to the healing throughput of vetting every 2 seconds, it's almost trivial.GD > everything
iv'e tried every tamable pet in the game, and so far nothing comes even close to a simi-good GD.
Disco is a game-changer.Here are the stat's of the Cu I use to kill paragon Cus:
HP: 593
Resists: 56/45/84/45/85
Here is my basic strategy for killing them on my own.
1. Discord the paragon. This helps two ways: lowers the paragon's resists so I do more damage; lowers it's skills so it cannot heal as well.
2. Command my pet to kill.
3. Bandaid my cu as needed.
4. Cast poison on the paragon, so it has to focus it's healing attempts to cure, not heal damage.
You can easily lead a paragon cu to a safer area (away from potential changeling spawns) if you want.
Stayin Alive,
BG
I disagree with this point. In some thread maybe this one, I had asked if anyone elses Greater Dragon, Rune Beetle ... well any Pet with Magery has been seen to be casting Greater Heal and Cure on themselves ... a lot....
Other than healing themselves, there is one thing that cu's have which greaters don't....
Wenchy
Jeez, why don't you just marry your Greater Dragon!I disagree with this point. In some thread maybe this one, I had asked if anyone elses Greater Dragon, Rune Beetle ... well any Pet with Magery has been seen to be casting Greater Heal and Cure on themselves ... a lot.
Greaters have always cast Greater Heal and Cure but as far as I was concerned, when I was turning Greaters over, it was always at the end of the fight. They loved to Teleport away and Heal up.
Now when I am for instance down in the Balron room in the Fan Dancers DoJo, my Greater will start spaming Greater Heal when is uhm, approaching half health, until he is about 3/4 health. If he gets poisoned, i rarely (maybe 1 in 45 poisons) need to cure it.
As far as I am concerned this is a changed behavior.
Now if one wants to isolate that to they use bandages to heal themselves and/or their companion, then *Shrug* ok. But if the spirit of the assertion is improving ones health, then again no, not really as the Greater Dragon and as far as I can see all Magic Casters do that just as well if not better than a Cu.
Hum, because it is just bits on a disk?Jeez, why don't you just marry your Greater Dragon!
My oldest cu heals from the start of a fight until he's on full health afterwards. The only times I've needed to vet at the end were when he came out of combat and hadn't fully healed himself back up. He's healed me up a lot which is a lifesaver at times. No amount of spicy spare ribs will persuade my casters to do this though...I disagree with this point. In some thread maybe this one, I had asked if anyone elses Greater Dragon, Rune Beetle ... well any Pet with Magery has been seen to be casting Greater Heal and Cure on themselves ... a lot.
Greaters have always cast Greater Heal and Cure but as far as I was concerned, when I was turning Greaters over, it was always at the end of the fight. They loved to Teleport away and Heal up.
Now when I am for instance down in the Balron room in the Fan Dancers DoJo, my Greater will start spaming Greater Heal when is uhm, approaching half health, until he is about 3/4 health. If he gets poisoned, i rarely (maybe 1 in 45 poisons) need to cure it.
As far as I am concerned this is a changed behavior.
Now if one wants to isolate that to they use bandages to heal themselves and/or their companion, then *Shrug* ok. But if the spirit of the assertion is improving ones health, then again no, not really as the Greater Dragon and as far as I can see all Magic Casters do that just as well if not better than a Cu.
Lol, he was obviously kidding. A tiny bit sensitive are ya?Hum, because it is just bits on a disk?Jeez, why don't you just marry your Greater Dragon!
I suppose you had a point to express but perhaps you failed to find the brain cells to actually do something with that thought?
In short, what is your problem with people expressing their opinion, regardless of who it is and being rebutted?
Perhaps you prefer a world were everyone worships you as the most brilliant thing that walks on 3 legs and just accepts that you know every thing about every thing and when you say, that A is the only thing that has Skill A and every one just looks at the ground rather than dare contradict you?
Just curious there .... well who ever you think you are, just how much time do you spend with your Reptalon getting it exercise and proper training, or if you dont have one, how about your Night mare or perhaps your Rune Beetle, maybe a Firesteed or a wimpy Hiryu, how about a blue beetle or a fire beetle. Or are you so busy fantasizing about how a Cu wipes the floor with every mob it meets and desperatly trying to convince everyone that your right.
And if your thinking of "I never said or thought that" then just go ahead and answer this, wtf do you think your post contributed to anything.
I'm going to Dreadhorn tonight. I've been there before with a Rune Beetle / Nightmare combo and it was all good. But I thought the damage output from a GD would be more valuable. What do you think?Though the Cu Sidhe and the Greater Dragon are both excellent at soaking damage. It will really depend on what you are fighting to get the best results. The higher resists of the pet, will mean it will take less damage per hit. You will find that resist will make or break a pet's performance.
My suggestions based on the damage being dealt.
Physical - Greater Dragon (can max out at 85 physical resist)
Fire - Greater Dragon (can max out at 90 fire resist)
Cold - Cu Sidhe (can max out at 85 cold resist)
Poison - Rune Beetle (can max out at 95 poison resist)
Energy - Cu Sidhe (can max out at 85 energy resist)
Now if you are fighting a monster that does a distributed damage (like a paragon Cu Sidhe (50%cold; 50%energy)), then you will want a pet that can handle both cold and energy damage.
If you are looking for just hitpoints, the highest hit point (pre bless) pets you can get are the Greater Dragon (max of 1000) and the Cu Sidhe (max of 600). Though the rune beetle can only get to 360 hit points, its poison resist is unmatched by any other pet.
The only pets that can train to over GM wrestleing are the Greater Dragon, Hiryu, Lesser Hiryu, and Reptalon.
Look here: Animal Taming for all of the tameable pets. This is an excellent source of information here on Stratics.
Stayin Alive,
BG
If it makes you happy to call your GD a NON healer then by all means do....
But if it makes you happy to call your GD a healer then by all means do.
...Wenchy
You can't safely call a type of pet self-healing unless they all do it. Which they don't.If it makes you happy to call your GD a NON healer then by all means do.
The issue is, you stated that Only Cu's healed them self.
LMAO.If your Magic Casters are not up to Healing themselves well then .... you may want to pay more attention to them or get better ones
All I am saying is they are obviously poor pets to convince you that they are NOT healers.
Hum, because it is just bits on a disk?
I suppose you had a point to express but perhaps you failed to find the brain cells to actually do something with that thought?
In short, what is your problem with people expressing their opinion, regardless of who it is and being rebutted?
Perhaps you prefer a world were everyone worships you as the most brilliant thing that walks on 3 legs and just accepts that you know every thing about every thing and when you say, that A is the only thing that has Skill A and every one just looks at the ground rather than dare contradict you?
Just curious there .... well who ever you think you are, just how much time do you spend with your Reptalon getting it exercise and proper training, or if you dont have one, how about your Night mare or perhaps your Rune Beetle, maybe a Firesteed or a wimpy Hiryu, how about a blue beetle or a fire beetle. Or are you so busy fantasizing about how a Cu wipes the floor with every mob it meets and desperatly trying to convince everyone that your right.
And if your thinking of "I never said or thought that" then just go ahead and answer this, wtf do you think your post contributed to anything.
Yes that was a funny way to force your viewpoint...
LMAO.
..
Wenchy