A history lesson

[Tiberius]

Once upon a time there was shard called siege perilous.

Once upon a time there wasa thing called player justice.

Once upon a time guilds were judged by thier members actions.

Once upon a time the only way for a guild/alliance not to be judged by thier members action was to make the member correct said action.
If unable to correct the action in question then the only two options left to the guild in question were to

A. Boot the offending member.

B. Suffer the same treatment as the offending member.

Guild leaders are often forced to make such unwanted decisions on this shard.

 

[HaHa]

Say again?

 

[Duke SP]

Once upon a time there was shard called siege perilous.

Once upon a time there wasa thing called player justice.

Once upon a time guilds were judged by thier members actions.

Once upon a time the only way for a guild/alliance not to be judged by thier members action was to make the member correct said action.
If unable to correct the action in question then the only two options left to the guild in question were to

A. Boot the offending member.

B. Suffer the same treatment as the offending member.

Guild leaders are often forced to make such unwanted decisions on this shard.

I'm guessing, Sprago, of Eye for an Eye (I4NI), must condone this behavior in his guild.Considering he's the guildleader.

 

[Tiberius]

Don't worry about it. The weapon will not be worth all that much when SA hits anyhow. Duracell has really accomplished nothing but alienating a portion of the community.

TnT apparently also condones his actions as they fought side by side with him all evening tonight. The longer I stay away the more I am glad I departed. They pretty much would play with anyone if they think it will give them the opprotunity to attempt a gank on SP!.

 

[Diablo FTW]

hmm anyways

 

[Tiberius]

Don't get me wrong, I enjoy fighting you and you have shown decent behavior on sell-backs but what you did was a pretty ****ty thing to do and imo it has probably cost you more than it gained you. Just set the **** right...

 

[Diablo FTW]

well. idc

 

[Diablo FTW]

i dont realy give a **** of this weapon and anything else,. i offered him to give back and no answer, so realy wtf u want me to do

 

[Duke SP]

well. idc

Honestly, why would you care?Your guildleader doesn't care what you do and the scum you run with doesn't care, so honestly why would you care?As long as they have one more cannon fodder on the field it doesn't matter what kind of person you are or what you do.

 

[Diablo FTW]

hmm lol. well ,like i said, you are a scamer in every deal anyway, your price is too higth and anyway, like i said, offered to give back to you and no answer, so now shut the **** up ok

 

[Duke SP]

hmm lol. well ,like i said, you are a scamer in every deal anyway, your price is too higth and anyway, like i said, offered to give back to you and no answer, so now shut the **** up ok

Your also a horrible liar, i was just on icq with you and still no mace.Just a run around saying lets talk tomorrow.Do i gotta beg you to get my mace back?I said please.Can i please have my mace you stole from me?

 

[Sprago]

I'm guessing, Sprago, of Eye for an Eye (I4NI), must condone this behavior in his guild.Considering he's the guildleader.

LOL you messed up and let a kid rip you off and now its my fault, grow up

hes in my guild doesnt mean im his keeper

 

[Duke SP]

LOL you messed up and let a kid rip you off and now its my fault, grow up

hes in my guild doesnt mean im his keeper

Your right a made a foolish mistake of a newbie.And by him being in your guild your condoning his actions.Which makes you just as bad, keep him in your guild it sounds like you guys are alot alike.

BTW, yes you are his keeper, your his guildleader.

 

[Sprago]

Once upon a time there was shard called siege perilous.

Once upon a time there wasa thing called player justice.

Once upon a time guilds were judged by thier members actions.

Once upon a time the only way for a guild/alliance not to be judged by thier members action was to make the member correct said action.
If unable to correct the action in question then the only two options left to the guild in question were to

A. Boot the offending member.

B. Suffer the same treatment as the offending member.

Guild leaders are often forced to make such unwanted decisions on this shard.

LOL you died to a gank tib why whine about it thats all this thread is about is the fact that you died
people should be responsible for there own actions LOL i dont hold you responsible for your guilds actions do i? you play honorably as do i

 

[Tiberius]

Dude, I started this thread 2 hours before I even started pvping last night...

Sure I died but I also pretty much recovered everything I lost cept the two pieces I had to buy from Duracell.

Do not confuse the topic with whether or not I died. I know you are honorable and I hope you do understand that his actions do reflect upon your guild. I even told Duke that from what I know of you that this is not something that would set well with you. Anyway it is your guild and I am not going to say anymore about this as I feel I have more than made my point.

P.S. no one in SP! has scammed anyone that I know of. Even when SP! were my enemies I still had excellent business relations with every single one of them I sold to or bought from.

 

[Mook Chessy]

Don't worry about it. The weapon will not be worth all that much when SA hits anyhow. Duracell has really accomplished nothing but alienating a portion of the community.

TnT apparently also condones his actions as they fought side by side with him all evening tonight. The longer I stay away the more I am glad I departed. They pretty much would play with anyone if they think it will give them the opprotunity to attempt a gank on SP!.

Go easy brother, I attack him as soon as he walks on the screen!

The problem is he always has a little helper stealthing close by or just disarms and runs.

Its ok though in my 10 plus years of OU I have seen many kids like him, when school starts in a few days he will need to be in bed by 8. You will hear his parents yelling at him in vent, too funny!

Guess you need to comb the highschools for guildmates sprago...(jk)

 

[FrejaSP]

Once upon a time there was shard called siege perilous.

Once upon a time there wasa thing called player justice.

Once upon a time guilds were judged by thier members actions.

Once upon a time the only way for a guild/alliance not to be judged by thier members action was to make the member correct said action.
If unable to correct the action in question then the only two options left to the guild in question were to

A. Boot the offending member.

B. Suffer the same treatment as the offending member.

Guild leaders are often forced to make such unwanted decisions on this shard.

This had been history for several years now. Now many guilds care more about numbers than the members actions.

 

[Faeryl]

What I find somewhat amusing about this is that the saying "An eye for an eye" refers to the notion that for every wrong done there should be a compensating measure of Justice.

Sprago, whether or not you feel you're Duracell's 'keeper', you're still his guild leader. Just by the assossication, his negative actions reflect on not only the guild, but your reputation as well...

 

[Sweeney]

I don't deal with scammers, and after Diablo tried it on me I didn't post about it until he tried it on someone else (figured he had something against me and was going to let it slide). I won't buy anything from him or sell anything to him.

But he can still buy bandages off my vendor.

 

[Wulf2k]

The world is a nasty place, filled with nasty people. UO is an extension of this.

The good thing about UO is that the only time bad things can happen to you is when you let them. If somebody abused your trust, it's because you give out trust too freely. If somebody took advantage of an opportunity to hurt you, it's because you gave them that opportunity.

I don't know the situation, and I'm sorry to say, I don't particularly care. I've read a thing or two to suggest it was a trade that involved killing after. Consider it a learning experience. If you left yourself open for one person to take advantage of you, consider this. What if the original person had been trustworthy, but someone had been stealthing around behind him and done the exact same thing?

FLAME ON!

 

[Kat]

The world is a nasty place, filled with nasty people. UO is an extension of this.

The good thing about UO is that the only time bad things can happen to you is when you let them. If somebody abused your trust, it's because you give out trust too freely. If somebody took advantage of an opportunity to hurt you, it's because you gave them that opportunity.

I don't know the situation, and I'm sorry to say, I don't particularly care. I've read a thing or two to suggest it was a trade that involved killing after. Consider it a learning experience. If you left yourself open for one person to take advantage of you, consider this. What if the original person had been trustworthy, but someone had been stealthing around behind him and done the exact same thing?

FLAME ON!

Well Put.

I will add that if this had happen through some exploit, I would probably feel a little differently about the situation. The fact is that where we play, other players can be freely attacked and that can indeed happen during a face to face transaction. It has happened to one of my own members. Luckily he was at a bank and was able to bank the item before he took too much damage. My point is, if you're going to do a face to face sale transaction, be aware this can happen. While I am sorry to hear of the situation, placing the item on a vendor could have avoided this whole mess.

@ Tib - Members of your own guild have done the same exact thing... numerous times. And trust me, at this point, most of us are glad that you left. You know that saying about "true colors"? Its funny how long it took for yours to show.

 

[Duke SP]

Well Put.

I will add that if this had happen through some exploit, I would probably feel a little differently about the situation. The fact is that where we play, other players can be freely attacked and that can indeed happen during a face to face transaction. It has happened to one of my own members. Luckily he was at a bank and was able to bank the item before he took too much damage. My point is, if you're going to do a face to face sale transaction, be aware this can happen. While I am sorry to hear of the situation, placing the item on a vendor could have avoided this whole mess.

@ Tib - Members of your own guild have done the same exact thing... numerous times. And trust me, at this point, most of us are glad that you left. You know that saying about "true colors"? Its funny how long it took for yours to show.

Actions speak louder than words.Your very sorry for this happening and etc. but your guild fights side by side with him?I'm very well aware that what i did was wrong but i've done numerous trades here since i been here (a little over a month) with various reds and oranges and had no problem.I've learned from the situation very much.But please don't tell me your very sorry etc. when your guild has done nothing to punsish him for his actions but embrace him and fight along side him.

Actions speak louder than words. *bows*

It's obvious that his "friends" have done little or nothing to change his mind because i still don't have my mace.But what happened if his friends shunned him for his dealings?Do you think he might change his ways?If he suffers no penalties for what he's done what's to make him stop?Then you have sprago saying "i'm sorry" and "i don't condone/approve this behavior" but he keeps him in his guild?And then we have Kat says "i'm sorry to hear about this" and etc but her guild fights right beside him?

Like i said before words mean nothing when their not enforced or even honored, only actions.

So what i've seen is alot of words from his friends and actions from his enemies but no actions from his friends.So honestly why would he give it back or even change his actions with no penalties to suffer?

 

[Kat]

Duke - I am not his friend. I do not know Duracell, nor do I care to. He is not in my guild and we are not allied. In fact, I prefer to see him dead as often as possible.

When I said I was sorry to hear this happened, it was not an appology. I was not involved in this "transaction" in any way shape or form and have no reason to "appologize". I am, however, sorry to hear that the situation occured. What you fail to realize is that you do not dictate the terms under which I offer my regrets.

Further, I am under no obligation to have my guild fight your battles. In case you have yet to come to the realization, you are playing Siege Perilous. The land where you are indeed, in peril at all times. You were attacked, killed and looted. That, my friend, is legal gameplay. It happens day in and day out. I am sorry you have had to learn this lesson so shortly after your arrival here, but my advice is to take the lesson, learn from it and seek your revenge. This is what ignites the flame of Siege Perilous... The ability to get your revenge.

As I said before, if you had been scammed or the item had been taken through the use of some exploit, you would very likely have the backing of my guild.

 

[Duke SP]

Duke - I am not his friend. I do not know Duracell, nor do I care to. He is not in my guild and we are not allied. In fact, I prefer to see him dead as often as possible.

When I said I was sorry to hear this happened, it was not an appology. I was not involved in this "transaction" in any way shape or form and have no reason to "appologize". I am, however, sorry to hear that the situation occured. What you fail to realize is that you do not dictate the terms under which I offer my regrets.

Further, I am under no obligation to have my guild fight your battles. In case you have yet to come to the realization, you are playing Siege Perilous. The land where you are indeed, in peril at all times. You were attacked, killed and looted. That, my friend, is legal gameplay. It happens day in and day out. I am sorry you have had to learn this lesson so shortly after your arrival here, but my advice is to take the lesson, learn from it and seek your revenge. This is what ignites the flame of Siege Perilous... The ability to get your revenge.

As I said before, if you had been scammed or the item had been taken through the use of some exploit, you would very likely have the backing of my guild.

He did not win it in the field.He won it thru deceit and thru pretending to do a trade with me.Nice way to spin it.Your not allied with him or hes not guilded but tnt fights along side with him.So what do you call that?

Don't worry though, i see thru your garbage.I'm new but not that new.Trust me i don't want your guild to fight my battles because it's painfully obvious your doing too much of that for diablo with him fighting along side tnt.

 

[Duke SP]

As I said before, if you had been scammed or the item had been taken through the use of some exploit, you would very likely have the backing of my guild.

So enlighten me, what do you call it when someone says "meet me at brit bank i want to buy that mace" then kills you?

You might wanna read the definition of scam then tell me what he did?

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/scam

Not unless your trying to tell me a dictionary is wrong. And if you are then we got nothing else to say to each other and your words and actions are speaking volumes.

 

[Wulf2k]

what do you call it when someone says meet me at brit bank i want to buy that mace then kills you?

An expensive lesson about guard zones?

 

[Sweeney]

An expensive lesson about guard zones?

Or a lack of guard zones (faction town guards are off). Only meet in umbra, luna, or makoto, or a moongate (guards still work there).

Actually forgot that they were opposing factions.. so I guess he was screwed no matter where they met. Use a vendor in that case.

 

[Wulf2k]

That's how I meant it, but my way works better in quip form.

 

[Mr X]

Duke, it is your own fault. First off you should have you bank open at all times when trading and only take items from the bank unless they are blessed. After an item is in the trade window it cannot be stolen for a short while. Long enough to put the item in the bank. Even if duracell attacked you that should have given you plenty of time to bank said item. And ya, it would be wise to do your transactions in the guard zone. Did he scam you? No. However he did rip you off, but you gave him the opportunity because of your carelessness. Live and learn.

Of course back in the day we used to flame **** people. 4-5 precasted flamestrikes, run up to victim while item is in the trade window and bam, loot away. I think you are safe now though, I don't think there are 5 mages left on the shard.

 

[Duke SP]

Duke, it is your own fault. First off you should have you bank open at all times when trading and only take items from the bank unless they are blessed. After an item is in the trade window it cannot be stolen for a short while. Long enough to put the item in the bank. Even if duracell attacked you that should have given you plenty of time to bank said item. And ya, it would be wise to do your transactions in the guard zone. Did he scam you? No. However he did rip you off, but you gave him the opportunity because of your carelessness. Live and learn.

Of course back in the day we used to flame **** people. 4-5 precasted flamestrikes, run up to victim while item is in the trade window and bam, loot away. I think you are safe now though, I don't think there are 5 mages left on the shard.

You might wanna read the definition of scam too

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/scam

But your TNT and you run with him so what should i honestly expect?

Thank you for your kinds words though.I have learned alot these last couple days.

I've also learned people will say anything on stratics boards and icq but their actions show different. *bows*

 

[Mr X]

You have two choices, cry some more and blame the unfair world for your problems or suck it up and learn from your mistakes and come to the realization that it was your own fault for not better protecting yourself.

Locks only keep honest people out.

 

[Wulf2k]

You might wanna read the definition of scam too

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/scam

But your TNT and you run with him so what should i honestly expect?

Thank you for your kinds words though.I have learned alot these last couple days.

I've also learned people will say anything on stratics boards and icq but their actions show different. *bows*

scam
  /skæm/ [skam]
–verb (used with object)
to cheat or defraud with a scam.


Oh yeah? Well you voodenhoffered me!

voodenhoffered
to vooden or hoffer with a voodenhoffer.

 

[Duke SP]

You have two choices, cry some more and blame the unfair world for your problems or suck it up and learn from your mistakes and come to the realization that it was your own fault for not better protecting yourself.

Locks only keep honest people out.

I'm doing all of it at the sametime.

 

[Mr X]

I am only seeing the first part....

 

[Duke SP]

I am only seeing the first part....

Because your reading in a forum.

 

[Kat]

As I said before, if you had been scammed or the item had been taken through the use of some exploit, you would very likely have the backing of my guild.

So enlighten me, what do you call it when someone says "meet me at brit bank i want to buy that mace" then kills you?

You might wanna read the definition of scam then tell me what he did?

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/scam

Not unless your trying to tell me a dictionary is wrong. And if you are then we got nothing else to say to each other and your words and actions are speaking volumes.

I'd call what he did, ****ty, weak and pathetic. I am most definitely not saying he's a great guy, but I call that a learning experience. There is no doubt it is a hard one to swallow.

Had he purchased it with RL cash/credit, etc, then stopped payment? That would be a scam.

Don't worry, you'll get your revenge.

 

[Wulf2k]

*ponders the stop payment method*

Hey Kat, can I buy your pants? Meet me behind Brit Bank.

Come alone.

Unless you wanna bring a girlfriend, that's cool too.

*wonders why nobody thought of this years ago*

 

[Diablo FTW]

Omg duke, The thing is if he were not coming 20 step away from the bank i wouldnt kill him. but well he come to me , like and idiot and naked with thath weapon, i just precasted and explode and a flamestrike, and he were dead, you know Duke riped me off before, thath the reason i killed him

 

[Diablo FTW]

And well if its going to cause problem to sprago or my alliance, i will just run alone...

 

[Diablo FTW]

Go easy brother, I attack him as soon as he walks on the screen!

The problem is he always has a little helper stealthing close by or just disarms and runs.

Its ok though in my 10 plus years of OU I have seen many kids like him, when school starts in a few days he will need to be in bed by 8. You will hear his parents yelling at him in vent, too funny!

Guess you need to comb the highschools for guildmates sprago...(jk)

Hey noob i am not a kid and i wont be in the bed till 1:00 am or whatever, till the figth being finish... i think u should stfu.

 

[Duke SP]

Omg duke, The thing is if he were not coming 20 step away from the bank i wouldnt kill him. but well he come to me , like and idiot and naked with thath weapon, i just precasted and explode and a flamestrike, and he were dead, you know Duke riped me off before, thath the reason i killed him

We was in brit, no guards and were both opposite factions.Please tell me how i ripped you off, to justify you doing this?

BTW, you told me to come away from the bank because of the disconnect bug.

If anyone would like to see his ICQ logs, just ICQ me or PM me.Thank you.

 

[Duke SP]

And well if its going to cause problem to sprago or my alliance, i will just run alone...

You mean run alone with Eye for an Eye and TNT?

From what Kat says, your not allied to or guilded to TNT but you run with them 24/7.

 

[Duke SP]

I mean if its going to do **** to my alliance because of what i do i can run alone, and quit my guild , dont want get sprago or cash in trouble cause of thath,and i am happy from what i accomplish killing a ****ing idiot with a unblessed mace on him, and now u insulted me i will never give u back ur mace, meet me at luna i will trash ur mace in ur face

It was unblessed because you was suppose to buy it.

 

[Pyrite_DTA]

Hey noob i am not a kid and i wont be in the bed till 1:00 am or whatever, till the figth being finish... i think u should stfu.

I can confirm that you are no longer a kid. You were when we first met in the early days of Siege. Seems everyone here thinks you are a newbie. I am surprised they have not caught on to who you are. Maybe they are all too new.

*feels really old*

Sadly, you have never learned how to "play well with others".

 

[Kael]

Hey noob i am not a kid and i wont be in the bed till 1:00 am or whatever, till the figth being finish... i think u should stfu.

I can confirm that you are no longer a kid. You were when we first met in the early days of Siege. Seems everyone here thinks you are a newbie. I am surprised they have not caught on to who you are. Maybe they are all too new.

*feels really old*

Sadly, you have never learned how to "play well with others".

so this isn't william wallace aka papa georgio ????

 

[Diablo FTW]

yep diablo thantis, darkness x, noobified, duracel, vas or flam in nox, papa georgio, william wallace,etc and some other

 

[Sir Daniel]

dont forget leroy jenkins

 

[Diablo FTW]

.... -_-

 

[Mook Chessy]

You mean run alone with Eye for an Eye and TNT?

From what Kat says, your not allied to or guilded to TNT but you run with them 24/7.

Ok Duke, now that is just a silly statement. I can only remember one time when I fought with this kid.

I think what he did was total garbage and do not enjoy his playstyle.

I also don't enjoy you taking out your frustration on my guild, you and you alone are to blame for the the lose of your property.

One last thing, the only time I have seen you in game was when I sold you a GD and noticed you are in Com. I wondered how it was that I have never come across your path before.

Please show yourself a few times and get into the action a bit before you use the term 24/7

 

[Duke SP]

Ok Duke, now that is just a silly statement. I can only remember one time when I fought with this kid.

I think what he did was total garbage and do not enjoy his playstyle.

I also don't enjoy you taking out your frustration on my guild, you and you alone are to blame for the the lose of your property.

One last thing, the only time I have seen you in game was when I sold you a GD and noticed you are in Com. I wondered how it was that I have never come across your path before.

Please show yourself a few times and get into the action a bit before you use the term 24/7

I have friends that are in factions that PvP 24/7.From your statements i'm guessing your TNT.

He was just down in Destard with Righty.Isn't Righty allied to TNT too?

What do you call it if your guild fights with him and doesn't kill him?Your very right it was my own fault.I'm just curious to see where your guild along with the others allied with him feel about it.Obviously you guys must not care and condone his actions since you guys fight beside him.

I mean it's perfectly fine to group up and fight with him but it's not alright to group up with him for his actions?What sense does that make?

I'm in factions for one reason to farm silver.But i have many friends in different guilds that's why i'm not guilded because i don't want to forced to kill them or vice versa.

But don't worry, i consider TNT/Eye for an Eye and all the other guilds with the same kind of people in it the same.

And you know why i feel this way because his guild has kept him and TNT/etc. fights along side of him.So what would you honestly think?Or is siege player justice only work on the forums.Because if so let me know please.