What creature kill/protect can come on talisman?

[Derrick83]

I know I have seen "brown bear" 10000 times but I dont seem to have seen "greater dragon protection" or "Hiryu protection" anywhere... the killers are good, but the protections could be useful if we could get a talisman that have a creature we would ACTUALLY need protection from..

Most of the stuff that comes on those (id say 80%-90%) you dont need protection from if you have a 50's+ suit... however, these could be used in pvp or pvm if you could put some of the big hitters in there..

Any chance we can see this?

 

[Coppelia]

I've seen ancient liche and stuff like that. Also bird slayer means hiryu too.

 

[Stupid Miner]

Listed in order of the super slayer they fall under. *most* of these spawn on talismans, i think there are a few that dont.

Bat
Mongbat
Greater Mongbat
Vampire Bat

Bear
Grizzly Bear
-Grobu
-Raging Grizzly Bear (?)
Polar Bear
Black Bear
Brown Bear

Beetle
Giant Beetle
Rune Beetle
Fire Beetle
Deathwatch Beetle
Deathwatch Beetle Hatchling

Bird
Bird
Chicken
Crane
Crow
Magpie
Raven
Eagle
-Swoop
-Pyre*
Tropical Bird
Frenzied Ostard
Forest Ostard
Desert Ostard
Phoenix
NOT
Harpy
Stone Harpy
*Pyre is either a named eagle or a named phoenix


Bovine
Cow
Bull
Minotaur
Minotaur Scout
Minotaur Captain
Tormented Minotaur
Gaman

Flame
Fire Steed
Fire Elemental
Hellcat
Predator Hellcat
Hellhound
Lava Lizard
Lava Serpent
Lava Snake
Fire Beetle
NOT
Flaming Gargoyles
Fire Bunnies
Phoenix

Ice
Snow Elemental
Ice Fiend
Ice Elemental
Frost Troll
Frost Ooze
Lady of the Snow
Snow Leopard
Giant Ice Worm
Giant Ice Serpent
Ice Snake
Frost Spider
NOT
Arctic Ogre Lords
White Wyrms

Mage
Evil Mage
Evil Mage Lord
-Master Theophilus
Orc Mage
Lich
Lich Lord
Ancient Lich
Juka Mage
Meer Mage
Skeletal Mage
-Master Mikael
-Master Jonath
Zealot of Khaldun
NOT
Dark Guardians

Vermin
Rat
Giant Rat
Sewer Rat
Ratman Archer
Ratman
Ratman Shaman
NOT
Barracoon

None
Orc
Orc Scout
Orc Lord
Orc Captain
Orc Chopper
Orc Brute
Orc Bomber
Frightened Orc
Giant Black Widow
Dread Spider
Giant Spider
Yamandon
Snake
Silver Serpent
Deep Sea Serpent
Giant Serpent
Horde Minion

Summoners
Talisman of Creatures
Vorpal Bunny
Great Hart
Walrus
Bake-Kitsune
Cow
Wailing Banshee
Giant Lava Snake
Bullfrog
Frost Spider
Skeleton Knight
Bogling
Panther
Sheep
Doppleganger
Orc Brute*
Board
Clean Bandage
Ingot
*Only spawns on the “Grammar of Orchish” Talisman

 

[Derrick83]

I appreciate the list..

So somehow none of the main pets(other than hiru being on the slayer list for birds) made it under the protection property..

Why are certain creatures left out of this? No dragon(other than the hiru, and thats because its a bird too) made it into the list. Really, nothing used as a high end tamer pet made the protection list.. why is this?

 

[Tinsil]

I know I have some that are like Ratman Shaman Protection... Do these even exist?

 

[Derrick83]

I know I have some that are like Ratman Shaman Protection... Do these even exist?

I have lots that say rat shaman protection.. but again.. when PvE I 1 hit kill them.. when doing spawns I kill a whole screen of them in 1 WW so.. agian .. pretty useless.. any creature that spawns on the talisman for protections, you dont need protection from lol

 

[Stupid Miner]

I know I have some that are like Ratman Shaman Protection... Do these even exist?

Ratman Shamans are the correct term for the more commonly misnamed "Ratman Mages"

 

[Stupid Miner]

any creature that spawns on the talisman for protections, you dont need protection from lol

Yea... Pyres are such newbs. Same with Ancient Liches, Lich Lord Paragons, yamadons... etc.

 

[Derrick83]

Yea... Pyres are such newbs. Same with Ancient Liches, Lich Lord Paragons, yamadons... etc.

Ok.. their are a few.. however I have never seen a Pyre as a protection.. with slayer and a decent suit or tamer/peacer any of the liches are 2-4 second kills.. I will give you the paragon liches(tho in order to NEED the talisman for lich lords they have to be paragon and make them speedhack and 3x as strong THEN it comes in handy) and really yamandons are the one that would help the most because they are pretty nasty.

I realize the point you were trying to make, but they have bear protection, mongbat protection, rat protection... etc.. however no dragon protection, no ogre lord protection, no white wyrm protection, no ancient wyrm protection, no rune beetle protection, no nightmare protection etc, no Oni protection, etc....

These are tough creatures that even with good suits can drop you down and even kill you in a matter of a second with the right hit/spell/fire breath combo ... and yet none of any type of those creatures make the list.. thats not even using your own point of "what about a paragon XXXX." Replace XXXX with paragon dragon, or ancient wyrm etc...makes that paragon LL look like a powder puff in a NFL lineup...

 

[Stupid Miner]

Ok.. their are a few.. however I have never seen a Pyre as a protection.. with slayer and a decent suit or tamer/peacer any of the liches are 2-4 second kills.. I will give you the paragon liches(tho in order to NEED the talisman for lich lords they have to be paragon and make them speedhack and 3x as strong THEN it comes in handy) and really yamandons are the one that would help the most because they are pretty nasty.

I realize the point you were trying to make, but they have bear protection, mongbat protection, rat protection... etc.. however no dragon protection, no ogre lord protection, no white wyrm protection, no ancient wyrm protection, no rune beetle protection, no nightmare protection etc, no Oni protection, etc....

These are tough creatures that even with good suits can drop you down and even kill you in a matter of a second with the right hit/spell/fire breath combo ... and yet none of any type of those creatures make the list.. thats not even using your own point of "what about a paragon XXXX." Replace XXXX with paragon dragon, or ancient wyrm etc...makes that paragon LL look like a powder puff in a NFL lineup...

Pyre's a named Phoenix.

PvM has too few tough enemies. Why make them easier?

There actually is Rune beetle protection in that list.

Granted, I have no idea why we have
"Bird
Chicken
Crane
Crow
Magpie
Raven"
Protections and killers.

 

[Derrick83]

Pyre's a named Phoenix.

PvM has too few tough enemies. Why make them easier?

There actually is Rune beetle protection in that list.

I guess I never have been lucky enough to notice the Rune Beetle one yet..

But as far as your logic goes with to few tough enemies and why make them easier... then why make the easy mobs easier.. why even have the mod at all?

This "protection" is the only way to reduce damage other than resistances... but yet the "killer" property helps do more damage... but yet their is already EoO, slayers, anatomy, tactics, damage increase, consecrate weapon, special moves.. etc to enhance and maximize the amount of damage you can do per hit.. why do you need more?

I am not saying I want to make the hardest mobs easier.. my main argument is that the mobs not listed in here are mobs used in PvP. Greater Dragons for instance.. in PvP they are way OP to the point where its the new gimp template and everyone is using them to the point where you have to have one to compete. As a pet they still can almost insta kill you, they are faster than normal and you have its owner to worry about too.. and then multiply that by 5 to 10 because everyone there is using one.. but aside from how OP greater drags are... other pets are a bit easier to manage, but still do too much damage, dont have to use the same restrictions as players with casting and such.. run at ALMOST mounted speed.. AND only take 2 skills to get all that power... in order for me to do what I do(and others not using taming as well) they need 720 skill points... most of the time more with items... greater drags you need 240. All kill and a bola .. sure other skills can help make killing easier but really thats too much power for that little skill. Again even if it wasnt greater drags... Hyiru dismounts and does crazy damage and does armor ignores for 60-70 dmg. Rune beetle + mare is stupid damage and a paralize(even for a split second) and both hit you you can redline/die real ezasy(especially if the beetle does his armor disolve thing and/or mare does firebreath)... again all for 240(or less) skill points used...

I am not going to say "NERF TAMERS!" because it is really hard to balance a game from pve to pvp.. but I dont think it would absolutely kill the template to add common pets to the talisman list... we have to replace one we would be using for 10% lmc or the like to use it anyways, but it would help not getting hit 2x harder by a "NPC in PvP" than any other PC can hit you for 1/3 of the skill

 

[Stupid Miner]

I agree, talisman slayers and protection aren't needed. I dont know why they introduced them; they were extraneous. But regardless they're here.

As for greater dragon protection. There's a problem with GDs being overpowered. The way you go about fixing the problem is by making greater dragons weaker, not by introducing a random property to make them weaker if and only if you equip a certain item.

GDs are overpowered across the board: in PvM, PvP, and PvWhatever-the-heck-else. Nerf them!

(now lets stop derailing this topic)

 

[Noobish Noob]

I have a Yamandon killer talisman with Yamandon protection on it as well. Never seen one before, especially with killer and protection on the same tali. Like +50% each as well.

 

[ACB1961]

Listed in order of the super slayer they fall under. *most* of these spawn on talismans, i think there are a few that dont.

Bat
Mongbat
Greater Mongbat
Vampire Bat

Bear
Grizzly Bear
-Grobu
-Raging Grizzly Bear (?)
Polar Bear
Black Bear
Brown Bear

Beetle
Giant Beetle
Rune Beetle
Fire Beetle
Deathwatch Beetle
Deathwatch Beetle Hatchling

Bird
Bird
Chicken
Crane
Crow
Magpie
Raven
Eagle
-Swoop
-Pyre*
Tropical Bird
Frenzied Ostard
Forest Ostard
Desert Ostard
Phoenix
NOT
Harpy
Stone Harpy
*Pyre is either a named eagle or a named phoenix


Bovine
Cow
Bull
Minotaur
Minotaur Scout
Minotaur Captain
Tormented Minotaur
Gaman

Flame
Fire Steed
Fire Elemental
Hellcat
Predator Hellcat
Hellhound
Lava Lizard
Lava Serpent
Lava Snake
Fire Beetle
NOT
Flaming Gargoyles
Fire Bunnies
Phoenix

Ice
Snow Elemental
Ice Fiend
Ice Elemental
Frost Troll
Frost Ooze
Lady of the Snow
Snow Leopard
Giant Ice Worm
Giant Ice Serpent
Ice Snake
Frost Spider
NOT
Arctic Ogre Lords
White Wyrms

Mage
Evil Mage
Evil Mage Lord
-Master Theophilus
Orc Mage
Lich
Lich Lord
Ancient Lich
Juka Mage
Meer Mage
Skeletal Mage
-Master Mikael
-Master Jonath
Zealot of Khaldun
NOT
Dark Guardians

Vermin
Rat
Giant Rat
Sewer Rat
Ratman Archer
Ratman
Ratman Shaman
NOT
Barracoon

None
Orc
Orc Scout
Orc Lord
Orc Captain
Orc Chopper
Orc Brute
Orc Bomber
Frightened Orc
Giant Black Widow
Dread Spider
Giant Spider
Yamandon
Snake
Silver Serpent
Deep Sea Serpent
Giant Serpent
Horde Minion

Summoners
Talisman of Creatures
Vorpal Bunny
Great Hart
Walrus
Bake-Kitsune
Cow
Wailing Banshee
Giant Lava Snake
Bullfrog
Frost Spider
Skeleton Knight
Bogling
Panther
Sheep
Doppleganger
Orc Brute*
Board
Clean Bandage
Ingot
*Only spawns on the “Grammar of Orchish” Talisman

This is an excellent list, but I have a db. I make a lot of bows...

Off the top of my head I don't see Meraktus. I think I might have some others you're missing, but it will take some time to check it.

I've got a Chicken Summoner too...

You guys be blessed