Please, can someone at EA explain

[Hebus]

the reasoning behind this :

An ogre lord using KR with max zoom

The same ogre lord using SA with max zoom

The trouble is that it is the same for all the mobiles.

I have no problem with the objects using the 2D art, the definition loss is not that big (you can see it on the chest in the pictures, and it is with max zoom).

But the mobiles ??? Is there really a reason to downgrade these graphics to such a miserable state ? And it is not only because I am at max zoom, even at the default zoom you can see that every creature in game is very poorly defined.

On one hand, I must admit that you greatly improved the functionality of the client. I've been amazed by a lot of the new functions.

On the other hand, there is all the KR existing mobiles that are very well defined and you take the route of drastically decreasing their resolution...

May I ask you why ?

If it is to convince the 2D users to make the change, it is not by serving them 1997 quality graphics that it will work.

Not only will you not gain a single 2D player, but you are giving a giant slap in the face of the "minority" of users that had the patience to live through all the KR bugs and problems and that needed to use mods to finally have a functional client that they are using daily.

Is this really supposed to replace KR ?

At this point, i'm really lost. What can really be the reason in 2009 to do such a downgrade ?

[sarcasm]Are you expecting so much new players, that without really low quality graphics the servers couldn't handle the load ?[/sarcasm]

 

[Cloak&Dagger]

That is not max zoom..... That is all I can really say about that.

Edit: It also appears as if you do not have the client optimized.

 

[Hebus]

That is not max zoom..... That is all I can really say about that.

Edit: It also appears as if you do not have the client optimized.

What do you mean ? It is zoomed in to the maximum (I have a 22" monitor).

And I also have optimized the client, still there's a huge difference beetween the two pics.

 

[Cloak&Dagger]

Well I mean, your zoom level is no where near what Mine is.....But again, meh. It still looks like you do not have it optimized from your screen shot but I can not really tell you that you don't was only saying possibilities.

 

[Hebus]

I can really assure you that it is zoomed in to the maximum in both screenshots

 

[DevilsOwn]

having done all that I can to optimize the SA client, this is how this guy looks on my machine, max zoom, windowed mode

my houses look much worse matter of fact, it seems that the dungeons and critters in them are some of the nicer things to look at on my pc with SA client

 

[Cloak&Dagger]

Have to say that Dev's Screen shot seems to be at full zoom, while the other posters still does not seem to be.... I guess it could be a resolution issue but I have a 24" screen and currently running it at like 1680x1050 (I think, and am not checking if not then I have it set higher) The coloration of the Ogre does seem a bit off compared to the KR version, but then... I don't know, does not matter to me so hard to come up with a decisive answer.

 

[Decors]

> If it is to convince the 2D users to make the change, it is not by serving them 1997 quality graphics that it will work.

It's not 1997 quality Graphics. It is 1997 Downgraded quality graphics. I must say.

Also so many sounds downgraded to 1997 quality sounds....what are they doing?

orz.

 

[WarUltima]

The question is why the graphic downgrade?

Given that I will not give up using the 2D client (well I might if I can convert all my macros) I think the 3D graphic has it's pros. I sometimes use KR just to see the special effects when I PvM.

I mean sharp 3D graphic to balls of blurr.

 

[Cloak&Dagger]

The question is why the graphic downgrade?

Given that I will not give up using the 2D client (well I might if I can convert all my macros) I think the 3D graphic has it's pros. I sometimes use KR just to see the special effects when I PvM.

I mean sharp 3D graphic to balls of blurr.

Roughly 95% of the UO player base complained about the "upgraded" graphics. So they downgraded them to the 2d clients base graphics, and "polished" them...Why people think it is a downgrade from 2d is beyond me, they are polished 2d graphics...it is just "weird" looking =\

 

[Hebus]

Roughly 95% of the UO player base complained about the "upgraded" graphics. So they downgraded them to the 2d clients base graphics, and "polished" them...Why people think it is a downgrade from 2d is beyond me, they are polished 2d graphics...it is just "weird" looking =\

It's not a downgrade from 2d...

It's a downgrade from KR graphics. And IMO especially the mobiles.

Also, the pictures you saw posted from the devs are max zoom, but zoomed out. These are zoomed in.

But don't take me wrong. I have some trouble understanding why they downgraded the quality so much, but all in all the client seems to work better than KR and I hope it can be further improved... I'll make the move again because I want to play with a functional client, but it's a shame if they trash better existing graphics (again, only for mobs).

 

[Cloak&Dagger]

It's not a downgrade from 2d...

It's a downgrade from KR graphics. And IMO especially the mobiles.

Also, the pictures you saw posted from the devs are max zoom, but zoomed out. These are zoomed in.

But don't take me wrong. I have some trouble understanding why they downgraded the quality so much, but all in all the client seems to work better than KR and I hope it can be further improved... I'll make the move again because I want to play with a functional client, but it's a shame if they trash better existing graphics (again, only for mobs).

Err, before we get to crazy out of hand with misconception.

Let me start with Dev's <-- that is a possessive to indicate Devil's post.
As for the 2d thing, I didn't mean for it to sound like I was saying you meant that, Just I have heard so much "how they could make it look worse than 2d" so that is why I posted that.

As for the graphical downgrade I point to the fact 95% of the population complained about the "improved" graphics. It would be nice for them to look better than they do, well rather it would be nice if they looked like they did when they were drawn (IE in KR) but the graphical content to me does not matter, so I can not really take a stance as to "why" it was done, or why not, or why it should/shouldn't be. I did not mean to sound as if I was taking you wrong, I understood what you meant and just added comments is all.

And yea I did not mean the Developers...I mean on my screen Devil's "max zoom" seems to match what I get in game compared to your max zoom.\

Edit: If you look at the poster roughly 2 or 3 posts above yours you will see what I meant about the "2d graphics"

 

[Hebus]

Err, before we get to crazy out of hand with misconception.

Let me start with Dev's <-- that is a possessive to indicate Devil's post.

My bad, a bit tired today

As for the 2d thing, I didn't mean for it to sound like I was saying you meant that, Just I have heard so much "how they could make it look worse than 2d" so that is why I posted that.

As for the graphical downgrade I point to the fact 95% of the population complained about the "improved" graphics. It would be nice for them to look better than they do, well rather it would be nice if they looked like they did when they were drawn (IE in KR) but the graphical content to me does not matter, so I can not really take a stance as to "why" it was done, or why not, or why it should/shouldn't be. I did not mean to sound as if I was taking you wrong, I understood what you meant and just added comments is all.

And yea I did not mean the Developers...I mean on my screen Devil's "max zoom" seems to match what I get in game compared to your max zoom.\

Edit: If you look at the poster roughly 2 or 3 posts above yours you will see what I meant about the "2d graphics"

You know, I understood your point of view I just needed to explain mine further as I don't want misconceptions either

 

[DevilsOwn]

thanks for clearing up the "dev" thing, C&D

did you guys know that you can take any pic posted in the thread, click it, and drag it? and then you can click the one you drag it next to and make that bigger! just did it with mine and Hebus' shots

and for the wondering, I have a 17" monitor, 1280x1024

 

[Setnaffa]

You do realize the SA client is in beta and you are supposed to report any bugs (real or not) through the bug feedback mechanism right? Posting them here for EA is not that much help.

 

[Saris]

I think I can kinda explain, by looking at SA and KR, The animations were increased, the result was they lowered the quality a small bit, but made moiton look smoother.

 

[Hebus]

You do realize the SA client is in beta and you are supposed to report any bugs (real or not) through the bug feedback mechanism right?

You do realize that I know it is in beta and I already reported my bug findings using the "in game bug and feedback report form" that I know since KR's closed beta ? That being a KR user, I used this form countless times since its launch ?

Posting them here for EA is not that much help.

You do realize that I also maybe want to start a discussion on the subject ?
Just to also see what other players may think ?

 

[Gladius]

Dear Hebus,

Does thou play using KR always on the Max zoom mode? If thou sayest yea then be assured that thou shall suffer loss as you enlarge the picture.

That being said may we suggest you just play the game on normal size modes otherwise a new set of glasses to enlarge the picture on your screen without sacrificing on the image be made.

May you fare well..

-G-

 

[Hebus]

Dear Hebus,

Does thou play using KR always on the Max zoom mode? If thou sayest yea then be assured that thou shall suffer loss as you enlarge the picture.

You know the answer, but I don't wan't you to be sad so i'll answer : I play using the default zoom level... if it is maxed, it's only to compare the loss of quality.

But : Even using default mode it's clearly visible.

That being said may we suggest you just play the game on normal size modes otherwise a new set of glasses to enlarge the picture on your screen without sacrificing on the image be made.

May you fare well..

-G-

Should I post a picture of a troll ? It could suit you better

 

[Gladius]

You know the answer, but I don't wan't you to be sad so i'll answer : I play using the default zoom level... if it is maxed, it's only to compare the loss of quality.

But : Even using default mode it's clearly visible.



Should I post a picture of a troll ? It could suit you better

Was only making pun because thy point is very well noted to say the very least.

It is indeed a travesty on what they have done to convince people who have embraced KR to turn to a dubious alternative.


-G-

 

[Hebus]

Was only making pun because thy point is very well noted to say the very least.

It is indeed a travesty on what they have done to convince people who have embraced KR to turn to a dubious alternative.


-G-

pssst... I really liked your sense of humor, else I wouldn't have responded