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Anyone ever find a 5.0 pet on the Power Pet Calculator?
I view the pet calculator as a good tool to allow people to compare their pets. I do not view the Pet Calculator as an indicator of a Pets effectiveness.I've never seen a 5.0...and I'd have to see it to believe it.
Meantime, is that cu on Atlantic by any chance?
By the same token, I view Barding Difficulty as a good tool to allow people to compare their pets. I do not view the Barding Difficulty as an indicator of a Pets effectiveness.
A pets effectiveness is a rule of thumb that include various stats, resists and skills. Then Observation of the pets effectiveness vs a standard set of mobs. Some of these Mobs are Ogre Lords, White Wyrms, Thrasher, Hyru's and Greater Dragons.
I think it's kind of tough to use a single number in order to judge how good a pet is. It could be an awesome defensive pet (tank) but poor at offense or vice versa. I think it would be better to have a rating composed of at least two numbers (tanking/damage output) or even three (resistances), so tanking could be based on resist and skills that contribute to blocking or absorbing damage (or just skills) and the damage output would be the stats and skills that contribute to damage.
It's more complicated than that of course, since certain pets are going to do more damage against certain monsters or take or block more damage etc.
It's more complicated than that of course, since certain pets are going to do more damage against certain monsters or take or block more damage etc.
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When you run your pet through the pet power calculator, the results compare your pet's current stats, resists, and skills against the max stats, resists, and skills of your respective pet type. That's what I find most useful about the calculator.
Even after you run the pet, you have to be aware of what stats, resists, and skill levels are most crucial to your particular pet type. For example, when running a white wyrm, I'd keep a wyrm with high stats and fire resist, even if its other resists were somewhat lower. Why? Because the ww's fire resist is naturally low to begin with. The pet's number score might prove lower than a pet with low fire, high all other resists...but you'll still have a more resilient pet.
Of course, this has nothing to do with the original poster's comment and s/he may already know all of this...just saying. :-D
Even after you run the pet, you have to be aware of what stats, resists, and skill levels are most crucial to your particular pet type. For example, when running a white wyrm, I'd keep a wyrm with high stats and fire resist, even if its other resists were somewhat lower. Why? Because the ww's fire resist is naturally low to begin with. The pet's number score might prove lower than a pet with low fire, high all other resists...but you'll still have a more resilient pet.
Of course, this has nothing to do with the original poster's comment and s/he may already know all of this...just saying. :-D
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That's certainly true, except when you get closer to 5.0, it has to be great in both defense and offense. Anything under about 4.3 or so and it could be either great in defense or offense. But I like the idea of having a rating for each.
I tend to assess pets from loring them, but the calculator is useful for showing up how near a pet is to the maximums. I don't think anyone could create a calculator that everyone liked unless we had buttons to tweak our particular requirements.
I tend to have different pet requirements even between my tamers lol. My provo/disco tamer is more concerned with a good tank pet both to handle groups of spawn while she provos, and also to cope when she's moving around provoking. Where my main girl relies on her pets for damage and is 120 vet/lore so she can compensate for a slightly weaker pet if the damage output is high enough to justify it.
But, not everyone knows enough about pet selection or cares to be more specific in rating their pets, so I think it makes a great fallback
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I tend to have different pet requirements even between my tamers lol. My provo/disco tamer is more concerned with a good tank pet both to handle groups of spawn while she provos, and also to cope when she's moving around provoking. Where my main girl relies on her pets for damage and is 120 vet/lore so she can compensate for a slightly weaker pet if the damage output is high enough to justify it.
But, not everyone knows enough about pet selection or cares to be more specific in rating their pets, so I think it makes a great fallback
Wenchy
The pet calculator is an interesting tool, but it needs work. I've pointed this out to the author over a year ago.
The calculations for % are mixed with Max for numbers, which of course doesn't give an accurate reflection.
Also, the %'s used are not accurate. To determine the correct % for a creature one must use it's MINIMUM and MAXIMUM and determine the correct percentage BETWEEN those numbers. Not just say the Maximum is 100% and 0 is minimum.
Here's what I mean. Say a creature's min/max hit points are 70 - 100. Now if you have one that has 70 hit points, it's really a 0% creature. With the pet calc it shows it as a 70% creature. Not true.
Now go put in 0 for hit points for any of your pets. Write down the "score". Then put in the actual hit points for your pet and write down that "score". Now put the number 999 for hit points. The total varies by such a small margin, yet your inputs varied dramatically.
It's a cute tool, but I put little use in it for actually figuring out which pet is best.
The calculations for % are mixed with Max for numbers, which of course doesn't give an accurate reflection.
Also, the %'s used are not accurate. To determine the correct % for a creature one must use it's MINIMUM and MAXIMUM and determine the correct percentage BETWEEN those numbers. Not just say the Maximum is 100% and 0 is minimum.
Here's what I mean. Say a creature's min/max hit points are 70 - 100. Now if you have one that has 70 hit points, it's really a 0% creature. With the pet calc it shows it as a 70% creature. Not true.
Now go put in 0 for hit points for any of your pets. Write down the "score". Then put in the actual hit points for your pet and write down that "score". Now put the number 999 for hit points. The total varies by such a small margin, yet your inputs varied dramatically.
It's a cute tool, but I put little use in it for actually figuring out which pet is best.
I had said previously
This is a two step operation.
The first step is nothing but a filter, if the mob can not meet the rule of thumb then I don't bother taming it.
If it does pass the filter and I can tame it, then it must pass the Effectiveness Test. This test, test the non existent, non documented, additional .... things about a MoB
For the Ogre Lords I look to see if the pet, can kill an Ogre Lord without my Intervention. If it can, I take it to the Oger Lord Island (Ogre Lord x 3) and see if it can take all 3 without my intervention. If it can then it has passed a basic survivability test. If it can not and within the pet class I do NOT have a pet that can, then I start measuring how many Bandages do I go through for 100 Ogre Lords and how long does it take me to go through those 100 Ogre Lords. This test allows me to compare my pets (within their class) for Physical Damage being taken.
I will then go do the White Wyrm to get a feel for the Magical Damage being taken.
I will then go do the Hiryu for the more intense Physical Damage.
I will then go do the Greater Dragon (if appropriate) for a Combined Physical and Magical Damage.
I then need to decide which pet to keep, the existing one or the new one. By this time if it gets to this level I have probably already made up my mind because I am not at all interested in Training New Pets for marginal gains.
The best I found was a 4.6 cu sidhe which I gave to a friend.
One of my guild mates has a 4.5 rune beetle which I absolutely ADORE (my own beetle is 4.2 I think, I can't remember exactly)
My "main" dragon is only 3.8 but has very good resists and very high wrestling and makes a better tank than a lot of higher ranked dragons. I typically only use that dragon if I need a strong defense or if I'm soloing the Monsterous Interred Grizzle. It takes 10 minutes longer than my strong offensive dragon, but thanks to his ability to not be hit and resist the acid attacks, he rarely gets into any sort of trouble.
One of my guild mates has a 4.5 rune beetle which I absolutely ADORE (my own beetle is 4.2 I think, I can't remember exactly)
My "main" dragon is only 3.8 but has very good resists and very high wrestling and makes a better tank than a lot of higher ranked dragons. I typically only use that dragon if I need a strong defense or if I'm soloing the Monsterous Interred Grizzle. It takes 10 minutes longer than my strong offensive dragon, but thanks to his ability to not be hit and resist the acid attacks, he rarely gets into any sort of trouble.
