dragon loyalty

[Uthar Pendragon]

Ok over the last week of hunting in tokuno, I have noticed my dragon seems to hit the unhappy stage alot. Now I always hunt with my dragon and do not usualy have a problem with its loyalty except after the usual failed command drop. Now before anyone says do you have your (insert plus taming item here) equiped, let it be said that I am 120 vet tame and lore.

I wasnt going to say anything but after last night when I tried to move into what I thought was a safe area. (darn respawn) and got ganked to my own death from a couple rune beetles and mages. after running to get res'd and back to my stuff he had dropped to "rather happy" and had I issued one more comand probably would have lost control. Day two of the tokuno event I had to rescue a Dragon that someone was paniced about losing control of and had gone wild in the mines. (thankfully that one was saved). And hearing of another the next day that had his greater go wild (he retamed and is now sitting out the week to rebond).


Anyone else seem to notice a faster loyalty decay while hunting in tokuno?

 

[Farsight]

I haven't noticed any loyalty decay on my beetle/bake, but I have heard a lot of reports about pets going wild. Typically, it's the scripter's pets, but every once in a while it's a fellow alliance member.

Maybe I'll have to break out the old dragon and see.

 

[Sarsmi]

I had a weird issue with my dragon a week or two ago. I thought I logged out at my house but I actually logged out next to the steps (haha, shush). So I log back in after a few hours and of course he's rather unhappy. Whoops! I issue a few commands but can't get his loyalty back up so I end up feeding him to restore it. I always thought that followed commands would restore loyalty but seems that they do not sometimes? This is a tamer with 117/110 taming/lore btw.

 

[Sweety]

I went to the dojo in Tokuno twice in the past week dont think my dragon went below extremely happy. Though i should probably keep an eye on it.
Thanks for the heads up.

 

[sk8nmike]

I've been runnig my greater Dragon thru Tokuno for the past several day and it remains "wonderfully happy", of course i feed it quite a bit too..

 

[MoneyMaker]

Its not just the GDs having this problem.
My Cu has been dropping down the happy scale rather often.
So far it hasn't made it too far down the scale since I keep a careful ear out for the typical disgruntled growl.

 

[EnigmaMaitreya]

Well to add to this, some one on my shard, I belive a new to the shard person, wanted a Greater Dragon.

I went to all the Fel and Tram spots and found a 1967, str(1224), PR(78), FR(77), ER(75), Wrestling(133.7), Tactics(130.2), Magery(120.x)

Pop'd the Honor and started to tame. I got exactly 2 Tame starts for the entire honor duration, both failed. I waited the 5 minutes hit the Honor again and after about half way through I got a Tame started and tamed it.

Now having done this a few times, this just struck me as being ... quite odd, in terms of so few Tame starts and hiting on so few, if that makes sense what I am trying to say.

 

[Cloak&Dagger]

Uthar, are you commanding your dragon more than usual? This would cuase the loyalty to go down faster than normal, also did you mean "rather unhappy", rather happy would still allow for something abound 10 bad commands before even being close to going wild.

Sarsmi, Generally an "obeyed" command will restore loyalty, but if you failed to command it at any point or if the loyalty has dropped below, I think, "somewhat happy" it will not work. I can not think of any other instances where a command will fail to restore loyalty but I just woke up and might be forgetting something

Enigma, What?

 

[Uthar Pendragon]

Uthar, are you commanding your dragon more than usual? This would cuase the loyalty to go down faster than normal, also did you mean "rather unhappy", rather happy would still allow for something abound 10 bad commands before even being close to going wild.

I never have had any loyalty issues prior to this week. I issue commands no more than when in a champ spawn or other heavy spawn area. only failed commands lower the loyalty and successful command will keep a pet happy. I know the sounds of a failed command.

Sarsmi, Generally an "obeyed" command will restore loyalty, but if you failed to command it at any point or if the loyalty has dropped below, I think, "somewhat happy" it will not work. I can not think of any other instances where a command will fail to restore loyalty

Curious as to where you get that last bit of info as to being a limit on when a successful command will raise loyalty. Never ran into it before but as I originally said my dragons loyalty was never an issue up until this last week.

 

[Cloak&Dagger]

Curious as to where you get that last bit of info as to being a limit on when a successful command will raise loyalty. Never ran into it before but as I originally said my dragons loyalty was never an issue up until this last week.

It is not specific to Dragons only this happens with any pet, if you let the loyalty drop below a certain level you have to feed it, commanding it wont raise the loyalty any longer ^^, Mind you I am not 100pct sure it is at the "somewhat happy" level but I do think that is where you have to feed the pet. And since you have not had any issues with it prior to this week I really do not know =\ , I offered the only available idea's I had on the issue. I have not been using my tamer for about a month now so I can not say I have noticed anything out of the norm.

 

[Gladius]

Ok over the last week of hunting in tokuno, I have noticed my dragon seems to hit the unhappy stage alot. Now I always hunt with my dragon and do not usualy have a problem with its loyalty except after the usual failed command drop. Now before anyone says do you have your (insert plus taming item here) equiped, let it be said that I am 120 vet tame and lore.

I wasnt going to say anything but after last night when I tried to move into what I thought was a safe area. (darn respawn) and got ganked to my own death from a couple rune beetles and mages. after running to get res'd and back to my stuff he had dropped to "rather happy" and had I issued one more comand probably would have lost control. Day two of the tokuno event I had to rescue a Dragon that someone was paniced about losing control of and had gone wild in the mines. (thankfully that one was saved). And hearing of another the next day that had his greater go wild (he retamed and is now sitting out the week to rebond).


Anyone else seem to notice a faster loyalty decay while hunting in tokuno?

At the Balron room at Fan Dancer dojo after a rather cornered fight with the Slayer my Dragon after killing the Balron turned on me and i was a good 4 tiles away from him.

I have also noticed at the Yomatsu Mines as well the Pet usually goes along with the opposition and stops to try and fight them all off. Quite futile for him as he gets ganked by the elders as Shadow Iron Ellies seem to be the Pet's target. I have to rescue him often by getting rid of the ellies with earthquake spells.

What i do is rush to the end of the mine log out in order to get the disobedient pet in the comfort zone. Brother only in Tokuno eh?

-G-

 

[Zodiac19]

If I notice a drop in loyalty I ALWAYS feed my pet, I don't like the idea of droping loyalty on a bad command when the pet is already down.

 

[Uthar Pendragon]

After considering it a little further. I am wondering if it not tied back to the line of sight issues, combined with the uneven terrain found in tokuno. by that I mean the faster loyalty decay due to the dragon not seeing you similar to not being able to send your dragon in for the attack because they cannot "see" the target. But I usually seem to run into the "line of sight" targeting issue mostly in Ilsh.

Dunno maybe I am just smoking crack

 

[EnigmaMaitreya]

After considering it a little further. I am wondering if it not tied back to the line of sight issues, combined with the uneven terrain found in tokuno. by that I mean the faster loyalty decay due to the dragon not seeing you similar to not being able to send your dragon in for the attack because they cannot "see" the target. But I usually seem to run into the "line of sight" targeting issue mostly in Ilsh.

That could be it. I had a second session with the Balron inside the Fan Dancer DoJo and noticed quite a number of "You (Alternate "Your Pet") can not see that" with this Large Balron basicaly next to me or within a few tiles.

I also noticed that the GD seemed to drop to Extremely Happy more often that it should.

*Shrug*

I was down a couple bubbles on the Honor so I decided to just switch over to the Honor tactic and I never really noticed the Loyalty drop, but then again that does issue quite a few Pet Commands.

At one point I did have a first, the GD rejected 5 consecutive commands. For all the crap I have killed with them, I have never seen that before. It ended up all right as he was in Guard mode any way, then I fed him and did the All Kill thing and we were great friends again.

 

[Petra Fyde]

I'm not sure how relevant it is, but in normal hunting I only use 'kill' and 'follow' commands, the only time I have any loyalty problems is when I'm making a lot of use of the 'guard' command. It may be a personal quirk, but I find my pets only lose loyalty quickly when using that command. On the other hand I only have to get one refusal 'bark', to be prompted to feed my pet. I haven't had a pet fall below 'extremely happy' for some considerable time.

 

[Cloak&Dagger]

After considering it a little further. I am wondering if it not tied back to the line of sight issues, combined with the uneven terrain found in tokuno. by that I mean the faster loyalty decay due to the dragon not seeing you similar to not being able to send your dragon in for the attack because they cannot "see" the target. But I usually seem to run into the "line of sight" targeting issue mostly in Ilsh.

Dunno maybe I am just smoking crack

The z axis is quite a pain in Tokuno so this is possible. And also as Petra has posted I do find the Guard command with dragons to be Ignored alot more often than other commands Might just be because I use it less so when it fails it seems like it is often, Not to sure about that but it is how it seems to me.

 

[EnigmaMaitreya]

I'm not sure how relevant it is, but in normal hunting I only use 'kill' and 'follow' commands, the only time I have any loyalty problems is when I'm making a lot of use of the 'guard' command. It may be a personal quirk, but I find my pets only lose loyalty quickly when using that command. On the other hand I only have to get one refusal 'bark', to be prompted to feed my pet. I haven't had a pet fall below 'extremely happy' for some considerable time.

I rarely issue the "Guard", Majoritivly it is the Follow and Attack commands.

I am not quite sure, and it isn't all that important to me, when the Guarded mode drops. I just basically deal with it, if I want to be guarded, when I issue a "Stop" command.

Mostly I do not want to be guarded as that enables the pet to just go off and attack anything it darn well pleases to. I prefer to be a bit more in control of how the engagement is going to go than that.

Generally speaking, when I am in the Honor mode, I am Issuing "All Attack"-"All Follow me"-"All Attack".

I do that more based on Farming Fame, Fortune, Karma and Honor from Thrasher than any good reason to. It keeps me in a good spot, easily able to loot and keep things ... isolated.

It wasn't really required at the Balrons but I just found a good spot and repeated the procedure. It was rather irritating to have the Mob's from the next room cause the GD to stand at the wall and stare at them ........

 

[Frey Wavestrider]

I hunted Tokuno alot before TOT III and the loyalty issue was always around. I do think the terrain is a major contributor. In Fan Dancers I often get cannot be seen even though I do not see a wall or anything. I have found if there is an archway best to be on the same side of the arch as the target then issue "All Kill" At the Champ it is the forest that causes issues with targeting. Also Circle of transparency can cause more issues there in hiding walls than other facets

 

[EnigmaMaitreya]

Ok, the latest on this subject.

Pretty much as a routine I go check the Cu's and the Greater Dragons twice a day.

I start off this morning checking the Cu's and see a Gold one and a Paragon Changeling. I cant abide the Paragon Changelings in the area as they are a big problem.

So I go back and get one of my Dragons, I feed him, I Lore him and all is well.

I get in to TW, near the desert redo the All Follow All Guard commands and hide. I stealth on over to the Para Changling and let the Greater Kick its rear end.

I then have the Greater Kill the Gold Color Cu to see what spawns. It did not spawn local so I Parked the GD at the entrance to the Desert and stealthed around to find the new Cu. Found it Lored it and went back to the Greater Dragon.

Said all follow me and it barked at me so I lored it.

It was "RATHER HAPPY"

Ok now Wonderfully Happy, 2 minutes to get to the PC, 3 Minutes TOPS to kill the PC, successful all follow me all kill on the Cu, tops 3 minutes, successful all follow me to park it. Successful all Stay. Two minutes tops to scout the Desert area and return.

A single unsuccessful All Follow me and my GD is "Rather Happy"? Let me make this perfectly clear I am 100% sure the GD was Wonderfully happy when we entered the Luna Moongate.

This just happened maybe 15 to 20 minutes prior to this posting.

 

[Gladius]

Whats the use of the guard command anyway if the dragon still has it's own mind to attack a target far off than the one right in your face?

Isn't it so that they are supposed to attack the threat on hand as it comes closer to you? This happens all the time no matter how much you feed them and inspite of GM Lore and even 120 taming going.

Wouldn't it be best if the attack command would auto target the nearest threat?

-G-

 

[EnigmaMaitreya]

Whats the use of the guard command anyway if the dragon still has it's own mind to attack a target far off than the one right in your face?

Isn't it so that they are supposed to attack the threat on hand as it comes closer to you? This happens all the time no matter how much you feed them and inspite of GM Lore and even 120 taming going.

Wouldn't it be best if the attack command would auto target the nearest threat?

-G-

The Guard command in this context removes the effect of the All Follow Me command of ignoring all attacks.

Being a paragon, the changeling is going to attack any PC that is moving or becomes visible. If I were required to give an attack command then the Changeling would auto attack me and I am ill suited to defend vs a Paragon Changeling. By issuing the Guard command, I can stealth to the Paragon Changeling and let Nature take its course, stealth back a few steps to stay out of the Paragon Changelings AoE Spells. Wait for the GD to finish it off then go loot and see what kind of Changeling spawns again. If it is a Paragon and it is in harms way to tamers then I will go kill it, else if it is not going to be an issue for me, I leave it alone.