Your insane lol! No-one is asking for trammel to be turned into fell but it would be nice if factions were spread to trammel, if u wanna be in factions then you should take the consequences, no point in being in Factions and never going to fel!
Agreed. I'd rather that to the faction extension that lose the arties once hitting a trammel rule set. However I'd take that option over the existing system.
Why is it mandatory to you to have PvP in the Trammel Rule Set?
Pretty cynical aren't you? As in Oh my PvP is just n number of people doing some activity in some ... *laughs* .... out of the way place never bothering anyone, never exposing anyone to an action + attitude they chose to NOT be exposed to.
That is actually pretty laughable
Is that why I don't understand what he's saying?
Care to offer the proof for your declaration ("it has no ffect on their gameplay what-so-ever") of fact there? Let me take a ... wild guess, OH YOU CANT. Your assertion is nothing but a ... well interesting attempt to project yoiur self serving wish's as fact. And like others when you can't formulate any rebuttal .... well you choose to make the post about the poster admitting .... well something negative about yourself. Lets be kind and say you have an aversion to .... well having people rebut your .... position in such a way that you can not do anything?
I mean if you ... *Caugh* admitted you understood and then had to sit on your hands because you could NOT form a rebuttal then well you would look like something .... cute. Did you dye your signatures hair color?Fluffi, I didn't vote because Flutter's poll didn't have the option I wanted. However, as I posted previously, I'd be happy if faction arties just went away and factions stayed in Fel.
Ooh! Ooh!
You are either a very poor troll, or utterly unsuited for a multiplayer game
This is the first objection that's made any sense to me.
Fluffi don't bother. I've got nothing to prove nor does anyone else. If something as simple as watching two people pvp is objectionable to this poster than he really shouldn't be playing at all. I see it every day between guildmates in Luna. He's just grasping now to be argumentative.
Don't you think it would be appropriate to prove that assertion, considering you did not preface with a conditional, such as "Assuming that ...."
Not at all
your grasping desperately to demonstrate that YOUR perceptions of reality are the only real ones that EVERYONE conforms to your wish's why then you could under no circumstance ever understand them and they are just .... what ever day care psycho babble comes to you.
Thing is, if you go look, people are spread out all over anyway. The folks that are going to be interested in guarding or fighting for towns are still going to do it. The ones that aren't will still be off doing other things.
Tsk, Tsk so simple, to demonstrate the ... well simple thinking of your rebuttal.
Flutter, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. When I signed up, it was with the knowledge that my characters in factions were freely attackable in Fel only. If the rules change, then I think all current faction memberships expire immediately and you sign up your characters again under a new membership agreement that clearly states you are freely attackable by enemy faction characters anywhere you go.
I think this is actually a great idea Tina.
You have already asserted and conceeded you do not read anything I post, let alone have the mental capacity to understand it.
No **** , no one understands what you just wrote because it's not in English.The assertion the rebuttal was to was that NO WAY IN HADES IS ANY PLAYER EVER AFFECTED.
I fully accept you do not have what it takes to understand any of the above
I would say they are justified in believing that if you enter Felluca Gate, and I somehow think the Red (Blue tends to signify safe, Red tends to signify UNSAFE) Gate indicates that you are, that your fresh meat and you had better be prepared to defend yourself.
Dermott, I don't agree with you on point #3 simply because sigils cannot be carried outside of Fel and the towns to be controlled and the bases where you achieve such control ARE IN FEL.
You do realize that rampant pvp in trammel once reigned under the battle between order and chaos. I personally would like to see in trammel a return to the consensual pvp of the past. Guild wars are simply too watered down and most trammel pvpers will quit their guilds or end the war in my experience rather than die more than a handful of times to the same guy. And this, on pacific and chessy and sonoma meant 5 trammel pvpers would fight one or two talented pvpers (the kind that not only survive trammel but flourish in all pvp environments).
Factions is just not about pvp, if it was then players would never join on crafters. Since we all know no one is going to go fighting on a mule. so joining factions doesnt always mean you consent to pvp.
scratches out # 3 I have a tram castle Im very fond of.
I disagree with you some Tina... I like the faction arties as it makes it easier for myself and I'm sure some others to make good suits. Especially when going to a new shard to play in factions/pvp it helps you get going quicker.
Don't have to have all your characters in factions.
Yeah, I know, Nex. But I know you spend far more time in Fel than in Trammel.
I don't the owner of the castle is in factions. I have a few characters in factions just to be in factions, because I can be, and none of these characters have any faction items.
The reference to Fresh meat was clear, anyone entering a Red Gate is fresh meat.
Sorry, BUT NO it does NOT MAKE SENSE. Shall I be you and say, Sorry butn to even a PvPie it makes sense that if you want to PvP then it is in the PvP set aside facet called Felluca.
Yes that is your self serving thought at how to Affect other peoples play style IN A NEGATIVE MANNER. People that every one of you in your own way says DOES NOT AFFECT YOU IN ANY WAY other than and indignation to YOUR SELF SERVING ETHICS.
NOT AT ALL, Trammel is the facet with NO PvP, NOT to be confused with the set aside facet called Felluca FOR PvP (get the picture two facets one PvP one NON Pvp, that was degraded to allow the Felluca PvP set aside aspect to occur in Trammel) that has been degraded to allow some consensual PvP
So the "Slippery Slope" comes out. What your saying is the More wrongs that are done to Trammel the more right it makes each of the Slippery Steps down that Slippery Slope.
Categoricaly WRONG, as in INCOMPLETE. TRUTH: If your in Factions AND IN FELLUCA this does NOT AFFECT YOU. IF YOU ARE IN Factions and YOU ARE IN TRAMMEL, YOU AND OTHERS ARE NEGATIVELY AFFECTED. Pay CLOSE ATTENTION TO THE OTHERS ARE NEGATIVELY AFFECTED PART. Try to white wash it away, but it is the truth and it will NOT BE DENIED.
5 and 6 could be summarized as your righteous indignation about others play styles that you all admit have NO AFFECT on your GAME PLAY.
But where would that leave reds? currently the only drawback to being red is that you cannot leave fel. by not letting faction characters leave fel your basically saying they are just as guilty as the murderers. Besides some people have only one account and one house if that house is in a tram rule area it wouldnt be fair that the faction could not use his/her house being that if they are not murderers.
Yes I was both there in Game and on CoB as to the ... harm and damage being done. This most certainly did contribute to the exodus of people from UO to Everquest. To get away from the Trash talking obscene pre-adolescent gang gankering hacker, cheaters etc.
*Shrug* fine by me but it should be reworded to be
Not everyone who enters Fel is fresh meat. Fresh meat is an enthusiastic new pvper. Someone who will fight regardless of whether they have a chance with the desire to become better. They're fresh meat because they're inexperienced, and easily slain(easy insurance, potions and boxes). Nobody else in fel is fresh meat. not even farm fresh trammies only there for a stroll qualify. They can easily flee and they(if they're not terribly bad at UO) should be capable of fighting someone off long enough to escape in many cases.
Felucca is not the facet set aside for pvp. It is the facet where non-consensual pvp is promoted and allowed for all to enjoy. This is a bit of an oxymoron because all pvp there becomes consensual as a player chooses to engage in a pvp system.
Trolling because you disagree with someone isn't a good way to make an argument stronger. It only makes your argument weaker as it lacks in content.
The trammel ruleset is a facet designed for much more controlled consensual pvp. You're simply blinding yourself to the fact that trammel once held many massive order/chaos battles and was the primary battle ground for a long time of guild wars seeking to fight without interference. And yes in Trammel you can CHOOSE to not engage in pvp at all by avoiding all guilds and playing what amounts to single player or small scale multi player UO.
We've already established you're incorrect on this matter due to a misperception on your part or a misunderstanding of game mechanics.
Felucca is essentially uncontrolled consensual pvp(as you have the option of never going there, it is consensual because one chooses to risk any type of pvp situation when traveling there.) Trammel is the ruleset in which you choose to engage in pvp under much more controlled circumstances. In essence you agree to engage in a limited number of PvP situations and to a great degree only those situations you would choose. It's a consent to consent to consent ruleset.
frankly you seem to be pushing some kind of agenda that doesn't really add up. You seem to hate pvp for no reason. this is your right but you're trying to force an entirely different mindset on UO.
You're categorically incorrect as I've explained. Your entire argument has been based on your flawed views of this game. If you're in factions and You are in trammel, you're simply engaged in the system you chose to engage in. You will experience substantially less risk while in trammel but still receive the same great rewards that you already possess. You're simply agreeing to abide by when you CHOSE to engage in such a system. If you don't want to face the risks of the system, you should not be eligible for the rewards that you can reap. It's a very fair system. You don't get a free ride, it's unfair that you do as a person holding points but not engaging in pvp is harming the system for those who actively engage in the system and inflating the point requirements for those legitimate players.
You are promoting an abuse of the system on the grounds that it benefits other abusers of the system while actively harming those who legitimately engage in the system. It's as you say. Many are negatively affected and you didn't try to wash it away, You are just trying to hide the truth by misdirecting a discussion to make it sound like you're some victim having something imposed on you.
if they have points, or even if they don't have points they affect the point requirements by simply being in the faction. Thats the way the system works. If you're in and you're not actively engaged in it, you're hurting everyone actually playing.
Thank you for acknowledging that I was right. You've just proven my point and concluded it with a conclusion that lets us know you even understand the misdirection you've thrown at us or you are so blinded by your hatred for people that engage in pvp or you are so addicted to abusing the faction system for its benefits that you would engage in full hypocrisy.
*Shrug*
Your opinion. Not an established fact.
Hacking isn't nearly as wide spread of a problem in UO as one would claim. The only known hack makes people faster. And only fast enough to move like a player with a good computer and great connection. Team oriented pvp is to be expected. Team play works well and is effective. Being Ganked isn't fun but playing teams amplifies the strength of a group to compete with other groups. Ganks are more the result of folks trying to solo a job meant to be multiplayer.
You do realize that this isolated incident can happen anywhere? I got spammed all sorts of disgusting things while in trammel recently. I was trying to hunt mobs in tokuno. I got berated with some filthy talk for about 3 minutes until I put the player on ignore. Disgusting mouths have nothing to do with pvp. they have to do with the filth that goes through the mind of childish players.
Actually I mention something about this happening in trammel recently while trying to train taming. Unfortunately in this case and the previous case, in fel I could have quickly converted a foul mouthed child's text into o0's. In trammel I can only place him on ignore and exact no punishment but paging. And paging guarantees nothing.
or maybe you should stop trying to claim that people with foul mouths are all pvpers. You may want to get off your high horse and acknowledge the filth is every where in every MMO but they are only swiftly shut up when players can kill them.
Or you can admit bad mouthed brats are everywhere and you're trying to make an unprovable claim based only in your prejudice about people who play the entire game.
Nobody is forced to pvp under the system proposed. In fact the only thing really being proposed is that people exploiting the faction system without engaging in the pvp it is supposed to promote would be stopped from their exploitation and griefing of the faction pvp system and the players engaged in factions.
No rights stripped or waved, only an exploit of game mechanics ended and a lower risk battle ground for newer factioners afraid of the dangers posed by the increased risks in fel.
dueling and field fighting are two very different things. Anyone who pvps knows this. Many good duelers are poor field fighters and many great field fighters are bad duelers.
Trying to hide advocacy of the exploitation of the pvp system behind player choice is a poor cover.
The character that owns the house doesn't have to be there. Your other characters are also considered owners with the same privilages... Or am I misunderstanding and you use a friend's castle?