Putting animals in a very small island

[Honest Dan]

I asked this question on a different forum but no answer.

So anyway, I know it is illegal to put animals in the house/room, and I read somewhere to use small island instead. I just want to confirm that this is not illegal, putting/releasing X number of animals in a very small island for training purposes.

Many thanks

 

[Tazar]

The illegal part comes in when you are training pets against each other, or are training against a pet yourself... If the two trainees can not reach each other physically, then it is an exploit. If you put the pets on the small island and sit on a boat, then it against the rules.

 

[Beastmaster]

Many moons ago it was also stated it was illegal to release tames in an area they did not spawn in.

 

[Honest Dan]

The illegal part comes in when you are training pets against each other, or are training against a pet yourself... If the two trainees can not reach each other physically, then it is an exploit. If you put the pets on the small island and sit on a boat, then it against the rules.

I'm basically training discord atm...im on a boat with the animals on the island, is this illegal?

 

[Dermott of LS]

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I would treat it as an "at risk" activity. Basically don't do it unattended and prepare to stop if/when a GM appears about it.

 

[Honest Dan]

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I would treat it as an "at risk" activity. Basically don't do it unattended and prepare to stop if/when a GM appears about it.

Yeah, I do watch it 99% of the time, cept for the bathroom break. I been very careful about that since a GM tested me not long ago if I was there and not doing any unattended macroing.

 

[Tazar]

When you fail to discord, the animals should aggro on you... since they can not get to you to retailiate against you, then yes... technically it is exploiting. Don't get caught!

 

[Honest Dan]

When you fail to discord, the animals should aggro on you... since they can not get to you to retailiate against you, then yes... technically it is exploiting. Don't get caught!

I moved from the boat to the actual island now. Im training on CUs btw. I dont recall getting aggro for failed disco before. I just started a few days ago on discord, so I dont know if the CUs should aggro on me if I fail to discord them.

Thanks for all the replies btw =)

 

[Draxous]

Many moons ago it was also stated it was illegal to release tames in an area they did not spawn in.

lol

I see the levels of lameness reach new heights in this world from time to time...

 

[Dermott of LS]

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At that time it made sense. I remember before TRammel there was a period in time when you simply COULD NOT find anything spawning even in normally heavier spawn areas... and if/when you did it was INVARIABLY trapped in someone's house (also during the time before creatures could bash through items, lockdowns, and when house ownership was key-based).

So for a stop-gap measure until they fixed certain aspects of the spawn and the game, they held that rule. The "leftover" to this is that you cannot build your house for the purposes of trapping creatures although the reasoning is based more on script-training and less on spawn cycling.

 

[JC the Builder]

The illegal part comes in when you are training pets against each other, or are training against a pet yourself... If the two trainees can not reach each other physically, then it is an exploit.

That is not the full story. I had pets in my house but we were all in the same room with no walls or items blocking. The Gamemaster still said it was not allowed.

 

[Tazar]

That is not the full story. I had pets in my house but we were all in the same room with no walls or items blocking. The Gamemaster still said it was not allowed.

Very true... I did not go into the house rules because he was asking about a small island...

Thanks for filling in the details though!

 

[UOKaiser]

That is not the full story. I had pets in my house but we were all in the same room with no walls or items blocking. The Gamemaster still said it was not allowed.

Though if it's tamed there is no reason to not allow it in house.

 

[Storm]

now as long as they leave the server they are on they will respawn

 

[Beastmaster]

lol

I see the levels of lameness reach new heights in this world from time to time...

Lame is having to remove Cu Sidhes to an island so you can unattend macro in safety. Afraid of the big bad changelings I suppose.

hint: changelings are not a threat if you're attended.

 

[GarthGrey]

Many moons ago it was also stated it was illegal to release tames in an area they did not spawn in.

Uhh, wha? In my 11 years i've never heard of that...

 

[Lord Sir Scott]

Gets on boats a lot, fights a lot of things from the center of the boat,that are on shore. Seen people use pets in this manner...Archers, Miners,Mages,Fisherman.... Figures your fine....
Kill off your trainers and or take em away when done... Dont go to bed with them fightingor go afk... Then thats wrong...You will prob be keel hauled down the center of your own boat....

"Many moons ago it was also stated it was illegal to release tames in an area they did not spawn in."
Just think of all the people who release in luna, that are all canidates? i release things anyplace i can think of that might not get me killed and make some fun for folks...
Some shards you just have to make your own fun...

 

[MiNi MaGi]

lol

I see the levels of lameness reach new heights in this world from time to time...

LMFAO!!!!!!

 

[MiNi MaGi]

That is not the full story. I had pets in my house but we were all in the same room with no walls or items blocking. The Gamemaster still said it was not allowed.

well considering the GM's dont have 1 clue about any of the rules, i dont think there is a full story anyways.

 

[Beastmaster]

Looks like the pet release rule was tightened up some time ago. It now reads:

"Releasing aggressive pets on a Trammel ruleset facet with the intent of killing other players in a non-consensual fashion is also considered a grief tactic and exploit of the intended mechanics of the game"

Since Cu Sidhes aren't aggressive they aren't a problem, but other types definitely could be.

 

[Honest Dan]

Lame is having to remove Cu Sidhes to an island so you can unattend macro in safety. Afraid of the big bad changelings I suppose.

hint: changelings are not a threat if you're attended.

I got lots of fairies that can take care of those changelings, so thats not even an issue at all.
Im basically trying to follow Poo's guide to discord that calls for 10 CUs to discord at certain level. No way I can get 10 tamers to tame each one and set them up for me. So, gotta use your brain and see how u can accomplish it.
And if you read my posts I stated I dont train unattended.

***** Read up before posting pls. ****

 

[UOKaiser]

I got lots of fairies that can take care of those changelings, so thats not even an issue at all.
Im basically trying to follow Poo's guide to discord that calls for 10 CUs to discord at certain level. No way I can get 10 tamers to tame each one and set them up for me. So, gotta use your brain and see how u can accomplish it.
And if you read my posts I stated I dont train unattended.

***** Read up before posting pls. ****

I agree with you. Especialy if you try to train over there those who are hunting for rare cus or a cu will not appreciate 1 player taking all the spawn.
It's actually great consideration for other players.

 

[Wenchkin]

I agree with you. Especialy if you try to train over there those who are hunting for rare cus or a cu will not appreciate 1 player taking all the spawn.
It's actually great consideration for other players.

Actually I've never trained with any rounded up spawn, always in the wild and plenty of cu sidhe. Nobody has ever asked me to stop, in fact some tamers will wait to see what I spawn if I'm provoing the spawn and killing it, because I can turn the spawn over pretty darn quick that way

It's very easy to wait till a tamer selects a pup they plan to tame and avoid discoing it. Or simply ask.

I've trained disco/voke up just working with spawns where they were, or discoing as I killed mobs too. As long as you remember the barding difficulty is higher on wild pets, it's easy enough. Powergaming will probably get you faster gains, but I really don't have the boredom threshold for rounding up spawn and then sitting staring at it for hours

Wenchy

 

[Splup]

* Lots of whining about GM:s not bothering to check on reports about speedhacks/fieldhacks/walking over bagballs/boxes *

And people should read rules about where to release their pets...

Bah...

Who cares where they train Discordance/Provo. If they are unattended they can be reported, if they are attended they are having boring time no matter where they are doing it.

 

[Dor of Sonoma]

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At that time it made sense. I remember before TRammel there was a period in time when you simply COULD NOT find anything spawning even in normally heavier spawn areas... and if/when you did it was INVARIABLY trapped in someone's house (also during the time before creatures could bash through items, lockdowns, and when house ownership was key-based).

I totally remember that! I'd be using Tracking while hunting...and would be pointed at someone's locked house, more often than not...

 

[Mairut]

The illegal part comes in when you are training pets against each other, or are training against a pet yourself... If the two trainees can not reach each other physically, then it is an exploit. If you put the pets on the small island and sit on a boat, then it against the rules.

What if you are training resist against spectres in a boat...is this also against the rules? Or is this only concerning animals and not monsters?

 

[Beastmaster]

I agree with you. Especialy if you try to train over there those who are hunting for rare cus or a cu will not appreciate 1 player taking all the spawn.
It's actually great consideration for other players.

Discording a wild Cu Sidhe has no effect on a tamer trying to tame it, EXCEPT for perhaps lowering the damage it does when it bites the tamer. With discord you are not "taking all the spawn" or any portion thereof.

 

[UOKaiser]

Discording a wild Cu Sidhe has no effect on a tamer trying to tame it, EXCEPT for perhaps lowering the damage it does when it bites the tamer. With discord you are not "taking all the spawn" or any portion thereof.

Just saying when hunting for rare cus the tamer will need to cycle through them alot. He will need to keep killing them especialy if the spot is packed. Usually I see at least 3 tamers always cycling throught them on my way to dread. So assuming a discorder decides to train there and takes one or two of those to train with the trainers will have to come and kill them to cycle through the next new one or they can leave the discorder alone but will suffer slower spawning depending on the amount of tamers and how many the discorder took to train.
If the discordor wants to train in there it be nice if he takes them of the server so new ones spawn and brings them back to train with instead of leaving them on the server.
Now if the discorder is just going to target everything and run around like that then it will get the job done except it will be alot more effort and take more time. Depending how he or she wants to manage there game time play vs training time= which means how much time a day or week they play uo and how long they want to dedicate that time to training a skill.
Pretty much to each there own.

 

[Drazasamus]

well considering the GM's dont have 1 clue about any of the rules, i dont think there is a full story anyways.

what was happenning was people were gating mobs back to thier house, locking them in a room, and running in and out to train spell resist up. or locking sheep in the house for the wool.

doesn't work now... mobs won't chase you thru gates, and sheep won't grow wool in your house anymore

 

[Drazasamus]

What if you are training resist against spectres in a boat...is this also against the rules? Or is this only concerning animals and not monsters?

not sure how this works... the mobs are supposed to be able to damage you, but the specters can't because they don't cast damaging spells... but they can still cast on you.

 

[Honest Dan]

Discording a wild Cu Sidhe has no effect on a tamer trying to tame it, EXCEPT for perhaps lowering the damage it does when it bites the tamer. With discord you are not "taking all the spawn" or any portion thereof.

Do you think I'm gonna discord a Cu or any other tameable while someone is trying to tame it? Some people call that rude...dude.

 

[Ash]

not sure how this works... the mobs are supposed to be able to damage you, but the specters can't because they don't cast damaging spells... but they can still cast on you.

But they do melee damage, so yes attacking them from a boat for purpose of sitting there to gain resist is an exploit as it prevents them from doing damage.

 

[Bomb Bloke]

The boat thing is certainly against the rules.

But I don't believe it should be.

For example, say you run past the graveyard and cast a spell at some poor skeleton inside before running off again. Technically speaking, you could be suspended for that. It's a ******** rule, as the very point of... say... Archery is so that you can fight in situations where your target hopefully won't be able to strike back.

Practically speaking, you'll only run into trouble if someone pages on you, and then likely only if you're still in whatever situation when the GM turns up.

Though likely this'll only happen if someone wishes to grief you. For example, when the Berserkers were appearing in Moonglow, it quickly became standard practise to use the fence to block them off. I don't remember anyone getting banned for that.

 

[Connor_Graham]

For example, when the Berserkers were appearing in Moonglow, it quickly became standard practise to use the fence to block them off. I don't remember anyone getting banned for that.

Enough people complained about it that they did something to the pathfinding of the Berserkers though.

Spoilsports.

 

[Beastmaster]

So assuming a discorder decides to train there and takes one or two of those to train with the trainers will have to come and kill them to cycle through the next new one or they can leave the discorder alone but will suffer slower spawning depending on the amount of tamers and how many the discorder took to train.

Kaiser you just don't get it do you? Discorders don't need or have to take the spawn anywhere. They can do their thing right there beside the tamers, without interrupting the tamers at all. The tamers can still tame and kill any and all they wish. It does not disrupt their efforts at all. Tamers and discorders can both target the same animal at the same time without affecting each other.

 

[UOKaiser]

Kaiser you just don't get it do you? Discorders don't need or have to take the spawn anywhere. They can do their thing right there beside the tamers, without interrupting the tamers at all. The tamers can still tame and kill any and all they wish. It does not disrupt their efforts at all. Tamers and discorders can both target the same animal at the same time without affecting each other.

But as the previous poster said it is rude. My code of fighting anything is if any player at all is using that spawn I will not interfere no matter if all they doing is looking at it. I don't know what there doing and I don't want to assume what there doing so of limits. I always play on populated shards and if am playing at peek times the cu's are definetly being used.
When training most of these skills its a tedious over and over task if you actually want to get it trained whithin a acceptable time frame. Training by playing is usualy a many months to many years process. Lucky for us we have soulstones. I believe I almost have every skill in a soulstone or character but lucky I trained them long ago 8x8 boats power hour etc..

Anyway they want to train the skill they can if they wish to stick around there and train or if they want to remove the spawn from server thats on them i wont judge but It's nicer if they show consideration for others. Im sure if am taming something or killing something Im gonna be a bit aggrevated if someone just comes in and do whatever area peace discordence provo no matter if it does anything.Hell i get uncomfortable and rushed when they stand there looking at me waiting but at least there waiting there turn so I can understand that part.

 

[Honest Dan]

Kaiser you just don't get it do you? Discorders don't need or have to take the spawn anywhere. They can do their thing right there beside the tamers, without interrupting the tamers at all. The tamers can still tame and kill any and all they wish. It does not disrupt their efforts at all. Tamers and discorders can both target the same animal at the same time without affecting each other.

Quick question Beastmaster, have you trained discord before?

 

[Anon McDougle]

why not just train the old fashion way while out hunting and exploring ???

we had a young on origin they gave him a golum what the hell does that teach someone?

if only skill could be gained only in a logical usefull manor......................

 

[UOKaiser]

why not just train the old fashion way while out hunting and exploring ???

we had a young on origin they gave him a golum what the hell does that teach someone?

if only skill could be gained only in a logical usefull manor......................

I assume he already explored everything in UO already as he looks like hes already a vet. So it makes no sense in spending a year exploring things he seen already finishing up another template. I will use a golem to train fighting skills I will use multiple sheeps to train parry I will use lockboxes in satire area to train lockpicking and cart. I will stick in one spot training fishing. I've used the 8x8 boat trick back in the days and powerhour. Thank god I finished all that but it's crazy to think anybody would go hunt mongbats for a week and move on to lizardmen and regular ogres to train when they can easily grab a finish character that they already own and go hunt peerless, doom or pvp.
Lets not forget during the days of constant nerfs you would train a skill for a year and the next day it would be useless that really pissed alot of people of.

 

[Honest Dan]

why not just train the old fashion way while out hunting and exploring ???

we had a young on origin they gave him a golum what the hell does that teach someone?

if only skill could be gained only in a logical usefull manor......................

Your post could potentially lead to more discussions and I think should be tackled in a separate post and not expand or divert from the original question/skill.

Then again, I cant help myself but to answer some of your questions.

1.) Train however you want, it is your account, no issue there.

2.) "Wow, there are some nice people here in ultima. Someone gave me a Golem!" I call that generosity and encouragment, that's another point of view, yours can be different.

3.) Useful to me is when training for hours and gaining more than 0.2 when i'm near legendary in some skills. Logical, you want me to keep all the animals I tamed??

Like I said those are just my opinions. Everyone is entitled to theirs.

 

[Beastmaster]

Quick question Beastmaster, have you trained discord before?

I trained my bard to legendary in all the bardic skills. For disco I trained on the Cu Sidhes and Swoop. Fellow players loved it when I discorded Swoop for them and I never got a single complaint from the tamers over the Cu Sidhes either. BTW, I am also legendary in all the taming skills. If you stay in the weald long enough you will see that all the hard work from the tamers leads to all paragon Cu Sidhes eventually. At that point the tamers practically beg for a discorder. The occasional paragon changeling will also have them showing their appreciation when you discord it.

 

[Honest Dan]

I trained my bard to legendary in all the bardic skills. For disco I trained on the Cu Sidhes and Swoop. Fellow players loved it when I discorded Swoop for them and I never got a single complaint from the tamers over the Cu Sidhes either. BTW, I am also legendary in all the taming skills. If you stay in the weald long enough you will see that all the hard work from the tamers leads to all paragon Cu Sidhes eventually. At that point the tamers practically beg for a discorder. The occasional paragon changeling will also have them showing their appreciation when you discord it.

Ok, so then you know how hard it is to train discord.

Now, since my skills are low and my music is locked at 100, I dont even have a chance to disco para cus. So, when most if not all Cus become para I have nothing to train on. I hardly see anyone kill the paras when I am on. So if there is only one plain Cu in there it makes sense that I tame it take it out of the server and retame till I get enough to train on somewhere else.

I admire your patience and dedication if all you did were those CUs and swoop in the weald from 100s to legendary disco.

 

[LadyNico]

Discording a wild Cu Sidhe has no effect on a tamer trying to tame it, EXCEPT for perhaps lowering the damage it does when it bites the tamer. With discord you are not "taking all the spawn" or any portion thereof.

Do you think I'm gonna discord a Cu or any other tameable while someone is trying to tame it? Some people call that rude...dude.

As a tamer (8 last count, but only 3 at legendary real), I would be enormously grateful were you to make all my tames all sparkly!

It's rare I let a cu get close enough to me to take a chunk outta my butt, but the reduction to the cu's skills when discorded means it's gonna have a much harder time getting that nip in let alone make it hurt.

Seriously, if bards and tamers cannot manage to find a way to happily co-exist in a mutually beneficial manner in The Weald on production shards, then maybe MMORPGs just aren't for those folks.

 

[Honest Dan]

As a tamer (8 last count, but only 3 at legendary real), I would be enormously grateful were you to make all my tames all sparkly!

It's rare I let a cu get close enough to me to take a chunk outta my butt, but the reduction to the cu's skills when discorded means it's gonna have a much harder time getting that nip in let alone make it hurt.

Seriously, if bards and tamers cannot manage to find a way to happily co-exist in a mutually beneficial manner in The Weald on production shards, then maybe MMORPGs just aren't for those folks.

Noted.

Since I have been discording in the Weald, I never had any problem with other tamers, and i have tamers too. And as far as I remember, I never had any problem with any other tamers or bards.

My point is just that you cannot just discord a Cu while someone is trying to tame it without asking first. That's Just rude =)

 

[Wenchkin]

On Europa I've never had a single complaint if I've asked about disco'ing or disco'd the pups and then had a tamer come in to grab one. I just tend to disco pups that nobody's using and if I make a mistake (like voking 2 pups before realising a tamer just hit tame on one ) then I apologise. I tend to carry skill + items on my trainee bard when she's working around there, then she's fit to disco and voke para cus while still in training. Breaks up the boredom of taming or discoing steadily for long periods

Wenchy

 

[LadyNico]

Honest Dan, generally speaking, if I have to question whether something is acceptable, I have to figure it probably isn't.

Poo knows very well I love him dearly. I also know Poo has a Leg bard on most if not every shard now and the Poo Method of training disco is certainly a handy time saver for those long familiar with the intricasies of what used to be known as "The Dance."

Poo himself will tell you that training disco or provo in a safe environment trains skill points only - Poo's Method offers no knowledge or experience of the barding skill.

That crusty old sod would be the first to tell you to get out there and learn your craft (if only so you don't screw up his dance steps should your paths happen to cross!).

*gives Poo a cyber-wedgie and expects retribution*

@ Wenchie! Grats on the badge, poppet! Well earned!

 

[Poo]

Honest Dan, generally speaking, if I have to question whether something is acceptable, I have to figure it probably isn't.

Poo knows very well I love him dearly. I also know Poo has a Leg bard on most if not every shard now and the Poo Method of training disco is certainly a handy time saver for those long familiar with the intricasies of what used to be known as "The Dance."

Poo himself will tell you that training disco or provo in a safe environment trains skill points only - Poo's Method offers no knowledge or experience of the barding skill.

That crusty old sod would be the first to tell you to get out there and learn your craft (if only so you don't screw up his dance steps should your paths happen to cross!).

*gives Poo a cyber-wedgie and expects retribution*

@ Wenchie! Grats on the badge, poppet! Well earned!

truer words where never said.
i took 3 bards (one was a tamer) to legendary before i got into power gaming and making bards on every shard.

the power training method was only meant for those with years of play time under their belts.

why? it was mentioned above by lady nico.
and i totally agree with it. hell, i remember making my first Necro and when he was 120 i sat there and thought to myself.... i have no idea what ANY of the spells do? i had just sat there and power gamed all the way to 120 and didnt leave the comfort of my house. so infact i had robbed myself of the fun of learning and trianing and in the end i had a Legendary Necromancer and didnt even know what any of the spells did.

that said, there are a lot of...... things..... that you do in game that im sure if a GM happened to be sitting there you would catch a ban.

but lets be realistic.

i sit on the yew bank roof and page on the recall miners and lumberjacks and i sit there for hours waiting for a GM to come.

would they come faster to police a bard with a island full of cu's?

i can honestlly say i have a pure 12o bard on every shard (north american) and a 120 disco tamer as well on all those shards.
so thats like 28 legendary disco and 9 provo. (cause i did a few HK ones, hehe)
and i have NEVER...... EVER...... E V E R seen a GM in all my training.

Nico... PM me, i need some pets on Europa, hehe

 

[Honest Dan]

Lady Nico, generally what I was trying to convey was that I'm not gonna discord outright without FIRST asking permission from the tamer if it is ok for me to discord them CUs while he/she is trying to work the spawn or whatever.
I think we are saying the same kinda thing here but in a different way. So I thank you all for the advices and everyone's input. I feel that I have a good enough answers to make up my mind and answer my original question. End of thread.

Thanks all!


PS. Poo, if you still need a pet msg me. I got a few in the stables, ill let you choose with one you want. My way saying 'thank you' for your great barding advices/threads. Man, they work great!

560-310-091

 

[LadyNico]

I hear ya, Honest Dan, however...

If I am training discord, when I reach cu sidhe level, I'm going to be spending a lot of time in the Weald.

Tamers will come and go, and my discording pups whilst they do their biz harms no one. Since it has zero effect on a pup being tamed beyond temporary lowering of it's skills, I am unlikely to be asking anyone's permission, particularly if I'm already there when a tamer arrives.

Indeed, when my tamer(s) walk into the Weald to see a bard training, I'll seek to ensure my taming isn't screwing up the bard's training. That includes dispensing with the paragon cu's I produce, too.

@ Poo - Messaged you, bro. Tell me which pets and I'll have'em ready for ya.

 

[Wenchkin]

*grins and gives Nico a welcome home hug*

Good to see you back hun, the cu's have been pandering without ya

Wenchy