Would you come to Siege...

[Stratic Fanatic]

If the house is max 7x7 and have to be refreshed at least once a month, I would say ok

I think that would be good.

I do understand the problem by allowing another house slot for Siege. People showing up, plopping a house and then never returning. All that would do is take up landmass from others that truely wish to live there.

But a manually refreshed, small storage shed would probably suffice for most. Just a place to hoarde things, whether it be regs, crafting materials or whatever else people like to keep. Then once they get their characters up to par...play a bit...get to know the community and how things work...maybe they would choose to drop their prodo houses and make Siege home.

Granted its not only housing that keeps a lot of people from playing there, but I think this could be a step in "some" direction. Whether its good or bad...probably wont know unless it happens.

 

[Harlequin]

If the house is max 7x7 and have to be refreshed at least once a month, I would say ok

Well, I have to say a house is even more attractive to me than a second character slot

And a 7x7 that needs to be refreshed monthly is perfectly acceptable to me!

You'd definitely see me play my siege crafter more often. Gm'd him years ago smithing/tailor/carpentry/tinkering/mining/magery/hiding.


Re ROT - while it's awfully slow since there's a limit per day on the skills you can gain, it's definitely more reliable than GGS. Just login every 15 mins, and train each of your skills once. Very resource efficient too, since you know you're not gonna gain any skills in the next 14 mins, you won't keep making stuff in hopes of gaining skill.

Also 0 - 70.0 has no ROT, gains just like normal.

After recently completing my ninjitsu 120 training over a period at least 2 months, I can safely say that certain skills like ninjitsu would have been easier and faster to train in ROT.

 

[Blesh]

If Siege lost insurance, it would not be Siege. The of be stolen from, and risk losing your armor/weapons/supplies everytime you die is the fundament for the shard and can't be changes.

Siege is not for all but for the ones who love the risk.

i understand that some people have that view. i was simply expressing my opinion.

The devs arent very good at keeping everyone happy. which is why i dont play anymore. but if the terms in my previous post were met, i would consider coming back. which is alot from me if you consider my mindset with how this game is run.

Like i said, the main draw for me if those terms were met, is the fact that i could have a shard with insurance, no ROT, AND no dupes. and since its a pvp server, the scripters would be sh*t outta luck too. at least for the most part. it fixes all the problems. you guys have the best balance in your economy. something they wont work to fix on prodo.

in my eyes, its soooo much potential, and sooooo little progress.

 

[Connor_Graham]

So, it is the housing?

It is for me. I could live with 1 character, but it would be a Smith/Tailor/etc, and trying to not only work the Bod system but also have vendor stock to sell armor and such from would eat up a bankbox and house storage pretty quick. Even if someone was to "lend" some space in their own house, it still wouldn't work because of this need. Without the ability to own a house there, I wouldn't even consider it.

And no, I have no wish to open another account just to play Siege. I have more than enough to keep me busy with the single account I have now.

 

[Sweet Delta Eb]

I have never played on SP or met any of the supreme elite people from SP that post here on the boards...BUT... they way that SP is represented by the people that play there here on the boards has definitely turned me off from ever giving it a chance......la

I know what most SP people will say and I am sure there a ton of good people on SP but one bad apple CAN ruin the batch.

 

[TheScoundrelRico]

I have never played on SP or met any of the supreme elite people from SP that post here on the boards...BUT... they way that SP is represented by the people that play there here on the boards has definitely turned me off from ever giving it a chance......la

I know what most SP people will say and I am sure there a ton of good people on SP but one bad apple CAN ruin the batch.

So what shard do you play on? I'll make sure to play there for a while since it seems that what i post here on Stratics will get you to quit that shard. Why do you play UO at all? I mean...I play UO...la

 

[Limlight]

That's funny because there aren't a lot of those who think a huge influx of players will flock to Siege if we get a second character slot.

The main reason we want a character slot is to enjoy the new content SA will be offering us without having to sacrifice the characters we currently have.

Keep up the good job in showing the world how out-of-wack your point of view is.

You're so smert.

So the only reason you want a change is because it completely benefits your personal desires?
lol@ your supposed awesome logic.

I have tried for a year to get your Siegers to understand four things that will get an influx of people.

1. Allow a small 8x8 house to be placed if you already own a house on a traditional shard.
2. Make skill gains like other shards.
3. Make the spell recall and Sanctum Viatus viable. For goodness sakes...you can put a timer in for any sort of fights so no miner or anyone can recall away if attacked.
4. Make it completely Pre-Aos...and do away with even 1 blessed item.
Meaning...delete every Post AOS item....make it Silver Vanq, Power, Might, Ruin weapons...and Indestruble Invulnerable armor...
Make the naked Hally Mage viable again and your shard will be packed.

Make any of the 4 changes listed above and you get an alive and kicking shard.

 

[TheScoundrelRico]

What if bank size was increased to 500 items, instead of having a bunch of 8x8s littering the land? I don't claim to have come up with this idea, but it's getting some discussion on the Siege forum right now.

To that would be a good alternative to having a bunch of 8x8's filling up spots that players who do want to only play Siege could have access to...la

 

[Limlight]

Its possible Rico.

But thats neglects one of playstyles that does indeed exist.

People who play to decorate houses...

I am serious man.

Some people love that crap...and they also do other things. It would add life to Siege...

I know that every now and then I log onto Siege for gains on my current character I am working on.

But I guarantee that I would play there more if I had an 8x8 that I could call my own. Store my ingots on the floor. I would even start buying soulstones there so I could be a thief/Mule.

I like siege and its ideas....but I hate living out of a bank box.

Having a house is one of the main reasons I havent hopped to WoW/Darkfall.

If they ever implrement it...oh boy.

FF XI has sort of your own house...but only you see it. So kind of lame.

 

[TheScoundrelRico]

I do understand that, but as history has shown, when a player has a house on a shard they don't play much...they typically leave it bare bones or even as just a plot. There are still plenty of dirt plots laying around Siege.

I highly doubt people would move to Siege just so they could decorate an 8x8...la

 

[MiNi MaGi]

i would love to play siege (because of the ruleset & challenge) but they need to change ALOT before i even consider it

 

[TheScoundrelRico]

i would love to play siege (because of the ruleset & challenge) but they need to change ALOT before i even consider it

Start a character today, who knows what changes may be coming in the future. By that time, who knows, maybe you will have a fully developed character. ...la

 

[Limlight]

Well, they wouldnt solely move to decorate...but the 8x8 would draw them in...and the more that attempt Siege...logic implies some will stick around.

Sidenote: Sexington's new story makes me want to play Siege. lol

 

[MiNi MaGi]

So the only reason you want a change is because it completely benefits your personal desires?
lol@ your supposed awesome logic.

I have tried for a year to get your Siegers to understand four things that will get an influx of people.

1. Allow a small 8x8 house to be placed if you already own a house on a traditional shard.
2. Make skill gains like other shards.
3. Make the spell recall and Sanctum Viatus viable. For goodness sakes...you can put a timer in for any sort of fights so no miner or anyone can recall away if attacked.
4. Make it completely Pre-Aos...and do away with even 1 blessed item.
Meaning...delete every Post AOS item....make it Silver Vanq, Power, Might, Ruin weapons...and Indestruble Invulnerable armor...
Make the naked Hally Mage viable again and your shard will be packed.

Make any of the 4 changes listed above and you get an alive and kicking shard.

bro if ea did #4 to uo let alone siege uo would be packed again period.. i personally know of 60+ people who are on other games like darkfall etc..that would come back to uo in a heartbeat.. i know 60+ isnt **** but the other servers who have preaos have over 1500+ people on at a time so....

 

[Stratic Fanatic]

I do understand that, but as history has shown, when a player has a house on a shard they don't play much...they typically leave it bare bones or even as just a plot. There are still plenty of dirt plots laying around Siege.

I highly doubt people would move to Siege just so they could decorate an 8x8...la

Maybe after X amount of play hours you could place?

That would give people an incentive to log in and train/play their characters.

Just a thought.

 

[lucitus]

Siege is cool, but an American Server for me the connection is too bad.

 

[Draxous]

Like i said, the main draw for me if those terms were met, is the fact that i could have a shard with insurance, no ROT, AND no dupes. and since its a pvp server, the scripters would be sh*t outta luck too. at least for the most part. it fixes all the problems. you guys have the best balance in your economy. something they wont work to fix on prodo.

The biggest reason our economy is balanced is because of no item insurance... it provides people with a reason to continue to obtain 'stuff.' Stuff that is obtained, bartered for or even taken.

That is how economy works... item insurance destroys this because it's like putting a stopper over the drain in the item sink. Players don't lose the stuff they earn on prodo shards and therefor, only need to replace pieces when they find better ones.

At the end game of 'getting stuff' you no longer need anything.

Without item insurance, even when you reach the end game... you will always need new stuff because dying or even being stolen from... means you have the potential to have lost that item forever...


dupes exacerbated the problem on prodoshards that have insurance... but seriously, you guys would still be where you are at right now or far along towards it... only dupes made you get there... faster.

 

[Draxous]

Siege is cool, but an American Server for me the connection is too bad.

Have you tried it?

We have a lot of non-US players... and their connections are actually quite decent. Not optimal, but definitely good enough to compete with us in America.

 

[Draxous]

That's funny because there aren't a lot of those who think a huge influx of players will flock to Siege if we get a second character slot.

The main reason we want a character slot is to enjoy the new content SA will be offering us without having to sacrifice the characters we currently have.

Keep up the good job in showing the world how out-of-wack your point of view is.

You're so smert.

So the only reason you want a change is because it completely benefits your personal desires?
lol@ your supposed awesome logic.

If something benefits me and everyone else playing Siege. Then yes, that is some pretty awesome logic.

I have tried for a year to get your Siegers to understand four things that will get an influx of people.

1. Allow a small 8x8 house to be placed if you already own a house on a traditional shard.
2. Make skill gains like other shards.
3. Make the spell recall and Sanctum Viatus viable. For goodness sakes...you can put a timer in for any sort of fights so no miner or anyone can recall away if attacked.
4. Make it completely Pre-Aos...and do away with even 1 blessed item.
Meaning...delete every Post AOS item....make it Silver Vanq, Power, Might, Ruin weapons...and Indestruble Invulnerable armor...
Make the naked Hally Mage viable again and your shard will be packed.

Make any of the 4 changes listed above and you get an alive and kicking shard.

I don't agree with all of this. You say "any one of the above 4" yet the only one I see really doing anything is number 4.

I'd be a fan of a house spot that needed to be refreshed once a month.

I have no preference towards getting rid of RoT

I don't agree that recall should be allowed, but rather those spells being made to mimick gate travel rather than recall. One thing about gate travel is that you can follow someone through a gate... or dispell it before they go through it. Recall is a one way ticket to wherever you're going... no thanks.

Finally, number 4 is not for Siege. There are many of us on Siege who like ninja, who like elves, who like spellweaving and the new content. The problem is that the shard was never properly adjusted to work without item insurance. We have the same monster loot tables, the same drop rates for arties, marties, ML arties and Treasures of Tokuno are turned off... the same as prodoshards. Yet, we are NOT the same as prodoshards and we need to be unique in the way our items are generated from monsters and how they are used by the playerbase.

We have the BIGGEST and most effective gold/item sink in this game... we need the spigot turned ON for these items to truly enjoy them. This game is designed around item insurance and people USING the items in this game... we are handicapped and PvP for everyone except the elite and wealthy are handicapped because of this.

With a few adjustments Siege could be so damn fun to play... I guarantee you that Feluccan's all across UO would be flocking to Siege in envy.

THAT is what draws players... a fun and fair gaming experience. Not this item grind from hell that prodoshards subject you to.

 

[Bluebottle]

There is something special about Siege. It's a LOT easier to get your head around the resources and just get by with what you have. Production shards suffer from way too much junk-overload. Now there's just too much spawn, too many craftables, too much formerly cool gear that is no longer worth using but you don't want to throw away, too many EA "gifts" and legacy junk. I just tossed out 4 bags of Tram/Fel moonstones, two bags of ID wands and staves, a bag full of invis/reflect/proto rings/earrings etc, several chests stuffed with old [Exceptional] tagged stuff. I have a load of old ranger gear - what's the use of that? Bottom line ... what's the point of keeping all that crud? Go to Siege and many of these issues disappear

 

[Fluffi]

So, it is the housing?

This.

...and ROT.


I have a couple of part-built characters on Siege.

They both served their time in NEW (which is probably the most welcoming guild in the entirety of UO), but now I would like a little place to call my own, and the ability to train my characters without having to set a timer to remind me to login for a gain.
(I don't know if there have been recent changes to ROT as I haven't given Siege any real attention for a couple of years.)

 

[Harb]

Rico, while a 2d slot per account would be a major step forward, my guess is that the population changes you die hard Siegers are looking for won't result from it. I suspect the main problem is one of "roots." For the Mrs and I, who have played Siege and do maintain characters there who have been dormant for years, the 2d slot would help, but wouldn't be quite enough. With 3 "still active" accounts, 6 characters per your proposal, we'd get the bases covered, something we did not "like" before. RoT, recall, and the Fel only rules set were never issues. A house, that sense of permanence, would go a long way, and akin to many we were never willing to give up a spot on our "home" shard to place one there. Siege is supposed to be the veteran, or more challenging shard. Add a character slot every five years, and stick in a Siege/ Mugen house placement tool as around a 10 year vet reward choice that wouldn't count against housing limits elsewhere and you "may" be more likely to achieve the type results you're probably looking for.

 

[Lord Drakelord]

So, it is the housing?

That would be my big thing, and not some 7x7 cell block like another Siege players is suggesting. I believe a prison cell is at least 10x10.

 

[FrejaSP]

I have tried for a year to get your Siegers to understand four things that will get an influx of people.

There is alot of opinions on, what would help Siege. Maybe this 4 things would work for you but I don't like #2 and #4 as Siege never was meant to be a classic shard.

1. Allow a small 8x8 house to be placed if you already own a house on a traditional shard.
As long it have to be refreshed once a month, I can accept it

2. Make skill gains like other shards.
There is alot rumers about RoT and some remember it from years ago, where it was very slow. It had been tweaked several times and it's not that bad now and alot do love RoT and the fact, it do spare alot of resources and you can gain from playing the game without have to do alot of stuff over and over for a single gain.

3. Make the spell recall and Sanctum Viatus viable. For goodness sakes...you can put a timer in for any sort of fights so no miner or anyone can recall away if attacked.
With a timer of 30 sec, where you have to stand still without fighting or taking damage, I could accept that. We all hate running alot and sometimes RL do interrupt and we need to get to a safe place.

4. Make it completely Pre-Aos...and do away with even 1 blessed item.
Meaning...delete every Post AOS item....make it Silver Vanq, Power, Might, Ruin weapons...and Indestruble Invulnerable armor...
Make the naked Hally Mage viable again and your shard will be packed.
That was not all, that made pre AoS fun and I love alot we got after AoS, custumizing houses, growing plants, more craftables, more pets, colored resources, mods on my bow, etc, no I don't want to go back and lose most items I own.

Make any of the 4 changes listed above and you get an alive and kicking shard.

Sorry no it won't

5. Remove faction taxes from the towns
6. Remove this stupid new factions items
7. the power of pets, Greater Dragons may be ok for farming but are to powerful for PvP.
8. Allow 2 char slots
My version of #1 and #3
9. Allow Advance tokens to work on Siege but only with 90% of the points they give on normal shards.
10. Make boats, classic houses and other deeds cost the same as on normal shards.
11. Remove auto kick/ban from privatehouses, let Co-owners be unlimit just like friends and remove secures from teleporters.
12. Bring back "Red and grey can't kick/ban from houses and will reset the ban list when they use the door in a house they are friend of.
13. Nerf stealthers, so you again can unhide them, when they take damage from field spells and force them to move slow when in stealth mode. I'm tired of half of the shard traveling invisible.

That's my wish list, but I can only speak for me so alot may disagree.

 

[InspectorGadget]

a bag full of invis/reflect/proto rings/earrings etc, what's the use of that?

Of topic but...FOOL! Those items are worth money!!! Invis and teleport jewels are gold dust!!

 

[Limlight]

The problem is Siegers dont want to budge.

In this topic alone we have 3-4 people who if 2nd housing was allowed would make the move.

Also, its great the Siege people have ideas for their shard....but your ideas to get people here are your ideas from the perspective of a Siege player....mine are the ideas of someone who rarely plays Siege...as a third party unbias person.

 

[Lord Drakelord]

So, it is the housing?

That would be my big thing, and not some 7x7 cell block like another Siege players is suggesting. I believe a prison cell is at least 10x10.

I happen to like the Villa myself.