Mounting speed

[o2bavr6]

So is it just me that finds it really really really dumb that people with pets can insta mount when no one else can.

Its bad enough to have a dread mare on you or hiryu but to let the owner insta mount when we cant do that with Ethy mounts is just dumb and very imbalanced.

Although with EA its par for the course.

 

[Clog|Mordain]

So is it just me that finds it really really really dumb that people with pets can insta mount when no one else can.

Its bad enough to have a dread mare on you or hiryu but to let the owner insta mount when we cant do that with Ethy mounts is just dumb and very imbalanced.

Although with EA its par for the course.

I think someone is raging about getting killed by a tamer..

 

[Dragonchilde]

They have the disadvantage of their pets being able to be killed. Your ethereal mount can't be killed. You pay the price of always having a mount with you by having a delay when you summon it.

Kill the mount, and they'll not be able to mount it instantly.

 

[T'Challa]

I can't stick a dread warhorse in my backpack, either.

They shortened the mount delay by half, it's very balanced now.

 

[o2bavr6]

Um no; to the killed by a tamer question. It's just an observation.

In regards to pets being able to be killed.

Most of the tamers on my shard have other skills like magery. So when you are trying to kill the pet they are dumping all over you.

Also the pet can do huge damage. Its very hard to get a paralyze spell off when you have two different things attacking you while dismounted.

Also if you guys PvP you know that it is very difficult to kill a pet when the owner can just mount it during battle. It's quite easy to make a macro to insta mount your pet.

So the tamers just dismount, bola you and then sick their pet on you, all while they are dumping on you as well. dont forget that when they want, they can just mount while anyone with an ethy cant do that.

 

[o2bavr6]

They have the disadvantage of their pets being able to be killed. Your ethereal mount can't be killed. You pay the price of always having a mount with you by having a delay when you summon it.

Kill the mount, and they'll not be able to mount it instantly.

I play Chessy and I've never seen Dragons Watch anywhere PvPing.

Let alone your guild...

I would like to see you solo a tamer with a dread horse while you are dismounted and we will see if you can kill his horse before they kill you.

 

[Stratic Fanatic]

Just get a horse. Keep the ethy in your pack.

 

[o2bavr6]

Just get a horse. Keep the ethy in your pack.

Heh.

I guess my problem is that I am still too old school and sometimes just find it hard to change.

I still find it dumb when people use pots and stuff like that in duels. Or when a mage uses a summon in a duel.

Funny thing is, that people have accepted pots nowadays, but if a mage tries to cast a summons in a duel he is frowned upon.

Anyway, it's jut kind of sad that people have to make significant changes to their templates in order to compete. But even with that we all have to deal with it.

But the mounting speed is very one sided if you asked me.

In fact I consider mounting speed as lame as letting tamers who are aggressors log out to save their pets if the tamer dies.

So how do you guys see balance in this?

 

[JC the Builder]

They have the disadvantage of their pets being able to be killed. Your ethereal mount can't be killed.

But everything is bonded now. Not really that much of a disadvantage anymore.

 

[o2bavr6]

But everything is bonded now. Not really that much of a disadvantage anymore.

No doubt, I watch faction people res their pet in the middle of a fight and then insta mount it.

But what do I know, after all it has to be balanced, just ask everyone else in this thread.

 

[Bomb Bloke]

They need skill points to ress pets in battle, though. Should people need skill points to take an ethy out of their pack?

 

[Anakena]

They need skill points to ress pets in battle, though. Should people need skill points to take an ethy out of their pack?

When you are in faction you can res a warhorse without any skill. You just need to apply a bandage.

If you go further, you can even make an UOA macro :

1. All follow me
2. apply bandage on horse
3. wait 2 secs
4. Mount warhorse

 

[RichDC]

Mounting speed is ok, pets are overpowered...hiryus are not one of them.

Very...VERY low cold resist a mind blast can do around 60points of damage, plus they cannot heal themselves, so you can poison the hiryu and unless the person cures it(usually bush guys ride these making a little better for you) they cant mount it.

Dreads are silly, but then again so are people who run "mounted" with a Greater. Make animal form take 1control slot, the only...ONLY template who would complain about this change are stealth ninja tamers.

ALL other ninja templates would not care, Thieves dont use pets, assassins dont use pets, stealth archers may use summons but 4pixies is almost as good as 5!

 

[Bomb Bloke]

1. All follow me
2. apply bandage on horse
3. wait 2 secs
4. Mount warhorse

Phewee, two seconds? For a regular pet a tamer must wait five (at least as long for an ethy), and if you're not standing directly beside the thing at the end of that time the attempt fails.

Oh, and with a regular pet you can't just instantly mount up and run off, either. When it comes back it'll be red lined, and attempting to run on a red lined pet simply doesn't work (it's stamina hits rock bottom instantly, same as if you attempt to run when your character is low on health).

 

[RichDC]

Phewee, two seconds? For a regular pet a tamer must wait five (at least as long for an ethy), and if you're not standing directly beside the thing at the end of that time the attempt fails.

Oh, and with a regular pet you can't just instantly mount up and run off, either. When it comes back it'll be red lined, and attempting to run on a red lined pet simply doesn't work (it's stamina hits rock bottom instantly, same as if you attempt to run when your character is low on health).

Most tamers have about 30stamina at max. Most dexxers are 150...trust me its about 2secs. And...yes you can near enough insta mount and run, maybe a 1/2 a second delay

 

[HunterXHunter]

1. All follow me
2. apply bandage on horse
3. wait 2 secs
4. Mount warhorse

Try to do it yourself in "2 secs" and tell everyone in straight face that you are not full of ****.

 

[HunterXHunter]

Most tamers have about 30stamina at max. Most dexxers are 150...trust me its about 2secs. And...yes you can near enough insta mount and run, maybe a 1/2 a second delay

There is NO "2-second" pet rez not even if you had 700dex.

Vet healing are 2 to 3 second, but rezzing is on completely different timer. Trust me, you are wrong.

 

[RichDC]

Then why does that macro work??

 

[Viper09]

Mounting speed is perfectly fine. Ethys are ALWAYS going to be with you, they never die and are always with you.

Don't like it? Go buy yourself a mortal mount.

 

[Harlequin]

So how do you guys see balance in this?

Not sure if you are suggesting the timer be removed for ethys or for it to be added to tamers.



For the former:

Originally, ethys didn't have the current timer (it was either much shorter or insta-mount, but my memory is a bit fuzzy on which). There were complaints about that and that's why it was balanced by giving it a longer timer.

Anyone remember what the complaints were about? Does the same concerns still exists today? Or a better question - what would be the impact if the timer on mounting ethys was removed now?

Take into consideration that we have strong ridable pets now and that we have llama forms (though this takes at least 70 ninjitsu).



For the latter:

I use this feature to save my pets in PVM plus in situations where I want better control of what attacks my pet. Instead of a straight timer, what about adding a timer only if it aggro'd a player? No penalties if it was aggro'd or was defending a guarded player.



Also, as several posters have mentioned, healing or curing a pet via vetting may take only 2 secs (at one point, vet speed was tied to dex, but that was removed as it was impractical), but rezzing a pet using bandaids require a much longer time.

The only way you can quick rez a dead pet and re-mount immediately is by using spellweaving's gift of life. Stand next to pet, accept the rez gump, slap bandaid if desired, delay .8 sec to avoid the "you must wait to perform another action" and hit mount macro.

However, the pet actually has about 80% HP when rezzed this way, so no real need to bandaid immediately at all.

Ah, the many virtues of spellweaving...Did I mention it requires no regs? Making it immensely useful on Siege...

 

[RichDC]

The only mounting i feel needs to be adressed is the dismount timer on riding swipe...It doesnt exist.

The move is meant to make it impossible for the dismounted player to ride again until the damage is healed...but this is bugged and doesnt work!

 

[o2bavr6]

Not sure if you are suggesting the timer be removed for ethys or for it to be added to tamers.



For the former:

Originally, ethys didn't have the current timer (it was either much shorter or insta-mount, but my memory is a bit fuzzy on which). There were complaints about that and that's why it was balanced by giving it a longer timer.

Anyone remember what the complaints were about? Does the same concerns still exists today? Or a better question - what would be the impact if the timer on mounting ethys was removed now?

Take into consideration that we have strong ridable pets now and that we have llama forms (though this takes at least 70 ninjitsu).



For the latter:

I use this feature to save my pets in PVM plus in situations where I want better control of what attacks my pet. Instead of a straight timer, what about adding a timer only if it aggro'd a player? No penalties if it was aggro'd or was defending a guarded player.



Also, as several posters have mentioned, healing or curing a pet via vetting may take only 2 secs (at one point, vet speed was tied to dex, but that was removed as it was impractical), but rezzing a pet using bandaids require a much longer time.

The only way you can quick rez a dead pet and re-mount immediately is by using spellweaving's gift of life. Stand next to pet, accept the rez gump, slap bandaid if desired, delay .8 sec to avoid the "you must wait to perform another action" and hit mount macro.

However, the pet actually has about 80% HP when rezzed this way, so no real need to bandaid immediately at all.

Ah, the many virtues of spellweaving...Did I mention it requires no regs? Making it immensely useful on Siege...

There was not the diversity of pets around or pet bonding when they changed the mounting speed of Ethys. I would like to see all classes of mounts have the same mounting speed. Either insta mount or a 2 second delay. And bonding is essentially the same as an Ethy as well as that you can use your pet as a weapon were people with Ethys cant.

 

[InspectorGadget]

There was not the diversity of pets around or pet bonding when they changed the mounting speed of Ethys. I would like to see all classes of mounts have the same mounting speed. Either insta mount or a 2 second delay. And bonding is essentially the same as an Ethy as well as that you can use your pet as a weapon were people with Ethys cant.

They arent any where neaer the same thing, mounts can die, and unless factions, skill is needed to res them, ethies are invul and cannot be harmed.

There should be some penalty for this. Also, a mount can be poisoned preventing the player from mounting...ethies cant!

 

[o2bavr6]

They arent any where neaer the same thing, mounts can die, and unless factions, skill is needed to res them, ethies are invul and cannot be harmed.

There should be some penalty for this. Also, a mount can be poisoned preventing the player from mounting...ethies cant!

This is very true, but I have been in faction fights and non faction fights. When im on a non faction char and i fight against a faction char i have poisoned their pet. they just cure it and insta mount it..in fact some guys do it so fast that they can cure and mount the pet before i can cast another poison spell.

 

[Dragonchilde]

I play Chessy and I've never seen Dragons Watch anywhere PvPing.

Let alone your guild...

I would like to see you solo a tamer with a dread horse while you are dismounted and we will see if you can kill his horse before they kill you.

You are correct. Dragon's Watch does not PvP. I'm not sure how that's relevant to anything though. What with seven character slots and all.

Ethereal horses weren't designed for PvP. They're used for it, of course, but that wasn't the point. But comparing ethereals to real pets is just silly and pointless.

Seems to me like your complaint isn't about mounting speed, it's about being killed by pets. I don't know of anyone who doesn't agree that tamers are overpowered as hell; removing the ethereal timer or adding a remount timer won't make a significant difference.

Now, I seem to remember (my oldness is showing) pets not being able to be mounted while riding. I do agree that it's a bit silly to be able to insta-mount and run off, but whining because ethereals can't do exactly the same thing (even though all it requires to use one is account age, and no skill at all) doesn't make sense.

You've said yourself you don't want to change. Why should anyone else have to change to make you happier? yes, tamers are overpowered. Quit whining because you don't have the exact same advantages with no extra skill expenditure.

 

[o2bavr6]

You are correct. Dragon's Watch does not PvP. I'm not sure how that's relevant to anything though. What with seven character slots and all.

Ethereal horses weren't designed for PvP. They're used for it, of course, but that wasn't the point. But comparing ethereals to real pets is just silly and pointless.

Seems to me like your complaint isn't about mounting speed, it's about being killed by pets. I don't know of anyone who doesn't agree that tamers are overpowered as hell; removing the ethereal timer or adding a remount timer won't make a significant difference.

Now, I seem to remember (my oldness is showing) pets not being able to be mounted while riding. I do agree that it's a bit silly to be able to insta-mount and run off, but whining because ethereals can't do exactly the same thing (even though all it requires to use one is account age, and no skill at all) doesn't make sense.

You've said yourself you don't want to change. Why should anyone else have to change to make you happier? yes, tamers are overpowered. Quit whining because you don't have the exact same advantages with no extra skill expenditure.

My point is, if you dont come to Fel to PvP then how can you make a determination if something is imbalanced?

WRONG!! Ethys were not introduced for PvP. And to make it fair to everyone they introduced the Charger for newbies.

There are pros and cons to both types of mounts. Ethys cant die, other pets can be used as a weapon which in some cases do huge damage and they can be bonded.

Yet it takes 2 seconds to mount an Ethy and instantaneous mounting for pets. Seems a bit one sided to me

 

[InspectorGadget]

There are pros and cons to both types of mounts.

Yet it takes 2 seconds to mount an Ethy and instantaneous mounting for pets. Seems a bit one sided to me

Not really, a player can be stopped from mounting the pet. Poisoning it for example, a player using an invis ring(they do exist) can almost always mount his ethy. Once a players mount is dead they are at a severe disadvantage. If a players ethy dies...oh wait...it cant.

 

[o2bavr6]

Not really, a player can be stopped from mounting the pet.

A player can be stopped from mounting his Ethy as well

Poisoning it for example, a player using an invis ring(they do exist) can almost always mount his ethy.

Yes but the person can also cure the pet and then insta mount it. ANd yes I have tons of invis rings, they last about 3 seconds. regardless everyone caries conflag pots, so the moment you invis they drop the pot on you.

Once a players mount is dead they are at a severe disadvantage. If a players ethy dies...oh wait...it cant.

Yes true but once the players pet dies, if you can actually kill it, which is highly unlikely, they can also just mount an Ethy thats in their pack. which is what everyone does in the few cases their pet dies. Let alone that if needed they can log out to save their pet as well.

 

[Viper09]

Ok, lets say we remove the timer for mount an ethy. Let's try and imagine what effect this would have:

You get dismounted and thus start running waiting for the timer to go out. Once it's out you are free to mount your ethy in the blink of an eye while running! No way to disrupt that mounting process, no way to prevent it in any way!

You thought the animal form spell into a fast animal was bad? this would be worse because it is possible to disrupt animal form (despite the fast cast time for it) but not this.

If they removed the ethy timer there would be a flood of PvP related complaints over this.

 

[HunterXHunter]

Animal form casting is just like divine fury which takes casting time however uninterruptable. Only way to stop people going into animal form is to mana vamp (assuming target has no resist) and/or hit him with paralyzing blow.

Animal form is just like instant mountable ethy with a little casting time and mana attached to it.

But yea instant mounting ethy will be even worse than the already ******** animal form.

 

[Viper09]

Animal form casting is just like divine fury which takes casting time however uninterruptable. Only way to stop people going into animal form is to mana vamp (assuming target has no resist) and/or hit him with paralyzing blow.

Animal form is just like instant mountable ethy with a little casting time and mana attached to it.

But yea instant mounting ethy will be even worse than the already ******** animal form.

Perhaps I'm wrong about the animal form being able to be interrupted. Could have sworn that I have been interrupted couple times because of poison though, hehe.

 

[red sky]

I give this thread a nice big F. (for funny of course)

 

[HunterXHunter]

Perhaps I'm wrong about the animal form being able to be interrupted. Could have sworn that I have been interrupted couple times because of poison though, hehe.

Thatss just a misconception. Even at 120 ninjitsu you can fizzle on dog form still. When it fizzles it makes a fizzle sound "doh" yea a lot of stealth archers I came across thinks 120 skill means 100% doggie form. Try poison yourself and use a low level animal form and time it or drop fc to 0 and you will see.

My stealther only has 115 ninja thats why I use llama form, given that I lose out on the 20hp but I can cast it 100% of the time.

 

[Lefty]

The mounting time on ethys were put in place as a balance measure.
As well as the the dismounting ninjas from animal form to human.
And you all think tamers should not follow the same rules when it comes to mounting and dismounting?

 

[HunterXHunter]

The mounting time on ethys were put in place as a balance measure.
As well as the the dismounting ninjas from animal form to human.
And you all think tamers should not follow the same rules when it comes to mounting and dismounting?

As much as I despite tamers using dreads in PvP, they are following the same game machnism as people riding faction horse or any regular mount.

One thing that can really balance them is to make "offensive" pets to get a remount delay if it's in combat. Delay like 5 seconds no mounting time. For example tamer dismounts self and issued all kill, and the dread is now unmountable and it can only be remounted 5 seconds AFTER it breaks off combat. People who dont issue all kill and all guard me will not be affected. Uses the same system message "Your pet is currently engagued in combat and is too angered to be mounted."

 

[InspectorGadget]

To be honest even if mounting speed is unbalanced, which i dont really think it is, we've got a long wait before they do anything.

Still waiting for the ninja forms to take a control slot...which imo, is much more of an inbalance than mounting speed. 5slot animals(GD's) where designed so you had to walk with them, not jump into wolf form and run.

The ONLY template that would complain about animal form taking a control slot(like all other mounts) would be the stealth ninja tamers.

As we all know GD's are severely overpowered in PvP this owuld be a simple solution to begin to stop there use. If the tamer cant run away at mounted speed...they wont use GD's...Simple, and effective change.

 

[o2bavr6]

Ok, lets say we remove the timer for mount an ethy. Let's try and imagine what effect this would have:

You get dismounted and thus start running waiting for the timer to go out. Once it's out you are free to mount your ethy in the blink of an eye while running! No way to disrupt that mounting process, no way to prevent it in any way!

You thought the animal form spell into a fast animal was bad? this would be worse because it is possible to disrupt animal form (despite the fast cast time for it) but not this.

If they removed the ethy timer there would be a flood of PvP related complaints over this.

But then why is it OK for someone to be able to insta mount their dread horse?

How does your scenario differ from the guy with a dread horse gets dismounted, starts running with his pet next to him. the moment he can mount he does, instantly?

 

[o2bavr6]

As much as I despite tamers using dreads in PvP, they are following the same game machnism as people riding faction horse or any regular mount.

One thing that can really balance them is to make "offensive" pets to get a remount delay if it's in combat. Delay like 5 seconds no mounting time. For example tamer dismounts self and issued all kill, and the dread is now unmountable and it can only be remounted 5 seconds AFTER it breaks off combat. People who dont issue all kill and all guard me will not be affected. Uses the same system message "Your pet is currently engaged in combat and is too angered to be mounted."

This is all I'm asking for. good idea.

the diff between an ethy and a mount is that the mount can inflict damage and an ethy cant.

 

[InspectorGadget]

But then why is it OK for someone to be able to insta mount their dread horse?

How does your scenario differ from the guy with a dread horse gets dismounted, starts running with his pet next to him. the moment he can mount he does, instantly?

And why are you letting him run with his horse next to him???

If hes running simply para his horse a few times...as he runs his horse doesnt, then he cant insta mount it...use your brain and stop complaining about this unimportant issue(imo anyway)

 

[o2bavr6]

And why are you letting him run with his horse next to him???

If hes running simply para his horse a few times...as he runs his horse doesnt, then he cant insta mount it...use your brain and stop complaining about this unimportant issue(imo anyway)

Lets look at it like this.

Guy on a dread war horse, dismounts himself and throws a bola at you. Now you are a mage, for arguments sake. While he dismounts and bolas you, you trying to cast your weakens and fireballs and magic arrows etc.

Dont forget that the guy with dread horse is also casting spells on you and his pet is on you as well to boot.

So to say that just cast para and all is fine is not truly accurate.

But lets say someone else jumps in to help me, he just runs up to his mount and voila he is mounted and running away.

 

[InspectorGadget]

The issue isnt the timer...ITS THE PETS!

We all know that dreads and GD's are overpowered...the timer is fine!!

If you really worry that much why not get yourself a max stat rideable mount and train him up to max magic resist and run with that??

 

[o2bavr6]

The issue isnt the timer...ITS THE PETS!

We all know that dreads and GD's are overpowered...the timer is fine!!

If you really worry that much why not get yourself a max stat rideable mount and train him up to max magic resist and run with that??

You are correct it is more an issue with pets.

Problem with that is it forces all the people in Fel who aren't in factions to join factions in order to get a mount that wont die in one hit.

I think a resolution would be as posted earlier: add some kind of remount timer if your pet is an aggressor.

 

[HunterXHunter]

You are correct it is more an issue with pets.

Problem with that is it forces all the people in Fel who aren't in factions to join factions in order to get a mount that wont die in one hit.

I think a resolution would be as posted earlier: add some kind of remount timer if your pet is an aggressor.

If you take sometime you can find swampys with 180hp with added bonus to barding armor it. SL warhorse had been 180 hp for quite sometimes while everyone else had 240hp warhorse, but SL did just fine.

You have an option to get a regular mount that can take a beating however you arent going to get that good swampy if you spent on forum all day complaining about how anything in factions are overpowered and can kill any non-faction player in one sneeze.

Again, factions are factions, think their mounts are like all those super arties you've been whinning about. It's just one of the perks you get for joining faction. No one is stopping you.

If you just want to have an easy no challenging PvP, find out which faction the dominant guild on your shard is in, and join that faction, there you dont have to worry about statloss anymore and you can sneeze on your blue/red non-faction friends and kill them in 1 hit, AND you get a faction horse so you will never ever die again ever forever everlasting ever.

 

[Viper09]

The issue isnt the timer...ITS THE PETS!

We all know that dreads and GD's are overpowered...the timer is fine!!

If you really worry that much why not get yourself a max stat rideable mount and train him up to max magic resist and run with that??

Ahh, this is a tamer complaining thread in disguise of a mounting complaining thread, good catch

 

[Demonous]

So is it just me that finds it really really really dumb that people with pets can insta mount when no one else can.

Its bad enough to have a dread mare on you or hiryu but to let the owner insta mount when we cant do that with Ethy mounts is just dumb and very imbalanced.

Although with EA its par for the course.

i agree, it is bs when tamers get off their dread war horse or hiryu and use it to own people then just hop back on, especially a hiryu to dismount someone thats on an ethy... this wouldn't be a problem if they didnt screw over balls of pet summoning but now u get interrupted while summoning it and its not instant... ethy mounts were once instant mounted many years ago, too bad they changed it

 

[HunterXHunter]

i agree, it is bs when tamers get off their dread war horse or hiryu and use it to own people then just hop back on, especially a hiryu to dismount someone thats on an ethy... this wouldn't be a problem if they didnt screw over balls of pet summoning but now u get interrupted while summoning it and its not instant... ethy mounts were once instant mounted many years ago, too bad they changed it

Actually instant ethy mount ONLY existed for about 2 weeks after they are released in UO as a vet reward. It was patched thru a quick hot fix too.

Then of course they ****ed up the ethy mounting from for over 7 years. For 7 years ethys were taking twice as long to mount than the intended mounting time.

 

[Bomb Bloke]

i agree, it is bs when tamers get off their dread war horse or hiryu and use it to own people then just hop back on, especially a hiryu to dismount someone thats on an ethy...

The Hiryu dismount attack makes the owner unable to remount for a few seconds, same as if the character was the one using it.

 

[Ailish]

So is it just me that finds it really really really dumb that people with pets can insta mount when no one else can.

Yes, its just you. Tamers pay for that ability with at least 200 skill points, and the rest pay for it by their pet being basically an insta-kill.

 

[Ailish]

Heh.

I guess my problem is that I am still too old school [...]

If you were old school, you would either be happy to be on foot or you would be on a "real" horse, not an ethy. Remember ethy's didnt exist until aound 2001 or so ....