Bugged quivers clarification

[Chrissay_]

There seems to be a little confusion on what constitutes a "bugged quiver". A "bugged quiver" weighs more than 50 stones and holds more than 500 arrows. If you have one of these types of quivers please page in so that a GM can fix this for you. Please be advised that if another player pages in on you for having a “bugged” quiver, your account may be subject to punitive actions.

Chrissay

 

[The Home Guild]

There seems to be a little confusion on what constitutes a "bugged quiver". A "bugged quiver" weighs more than 50 stones and holds more than 500 arrows. If you have one of these types of quivers please page in so that a GM can fix this for you. Please be advised that if another player pages in on you for having a “bugged” quiver, your account may be subject to punitive actions.

Chrissay

i know soemone that paged to get it fixed and the gm banned him 72 hours even tho he was trying to do the "correct" thing.

There also has been posts in the past saying the same thing..being banned after paging a gm to correct the issue. I think the gm's need a memo not to ban someone if they are complying.

It had 400 stones not 50 as it should

 

[Fox (Europa)]

So its OK to have a bugged quiver of rage with the old properties giving the unintended +10 DI that should have been patched out but the patch missed a few?

 

[Stratic Fanatic]

So its OK to have a bugged quiver of rage with the old properties giving the unintended +10 DI that should have been patched out but the patch missed a few?

According to the post, yours isnt bugged. So yes its ok to have.

Like I tried to explain in the other thread about this....

Bugged quivers are created by players.
Obtained before a patch changed properties = prepatch.

 

[Old Man of UO]

According to the post, yours isnt bugged. So yes its ok to have.

Like I tried to explain in the other thread about this....

Bugged quivers are created by players.
Obtained before a patch changed properties = prepatch.

I agree with what you are saying, but unless an "Official" from EA/Mythic also agrees, it is rather meaningless and they can take whatever action deemed appropriate.

 

[Connor_Graham]

So its OK to have a bugged quiver of rage with the old properties giving the unintended +10 DI that should have been patched out but the patch missed a few?

She just wrote that the only quivers that are illegal are the ones that can carry more than the normal 500 arrows, so yes, it's OK to have a prepatch Quiver of Rage with the old properties giving the unintended +10 DI that should have been patched out but the patch missed a few.

 

[Fox (Europa)]

..it's OK to have a prepatch Quiver of Rage with the old properties giving the unintended +10 DI that should have been patched out but the patch missed a few.

Well not quite "the patch missed a few"; you had to make use of a bug to protect your items from the change.

Still, seeing as its OK with EA, I'll start to sell the 'pre-patch' quivers of rage I have. These will be 110M each. PM me if anyone wants one.

 

[ZidjiN]

So its OK to have a bugged quiver of rage with the old properties giving the unintended +10 DI that should have been patched out but the patch missed a few?

Whats the deal with the old Quivers of rage? Is it that your able to get 110%DI from items with them or what?

 

[Chrissay_]

I agree with what you are saying, but unless an "Official" from EA/Mythic also agrees, it is rather meaningless and they can take whatever action deemed appropriate.

If your quiver weighs more than 50 stones and holds more than 500 arrows please page in. If you have any questions regarding a quiver please page in and have a GM take a look at it. They are able to look at the item in game.

 

[Stratic Fanatic]

Well not quite "the patch missed a few"; you had to make use of a bug to protect your items from the change.

Making use of a "bug" to keep a patch from taking place is illegal I think. Proper thing to do would be to contact a GM or EA about this bug you used to bypass the patch.

Again, a big difference in using "a bug" and simply owning an item that doesnt change.

 

[zared of napa]

There seems to be a little confusion on what constitutes a "bugged quiver". A "bugged quiver" weighs more than 50 stones and holds more than 500 arrows. If you have one of these types of quivers please page in so that a GM can fix this for you. Please be advised that if another player pages in on you for having a “bugged” quiver, your account may be subject to punitive actions.

Chrissay

I paged on myself for the bugged Quiver he sent me to the knowlege Base. Paged 2 other times then he sent me a message saying he would ban my account if any more help ques on the subject..The Gm's dont really seem to read the pages or dont care to help in game.

 

[Kiss Of Death]

V good , facts always win! I was right

 

[Old Man of UO]

If your quiver weighs more than 50 stones and holds more than 500 arrows please page in. If you have any questions regarding a quiver please page in and have a GM take a look at it. They are able to look at the item in game.

Yes, I understood that part, and had my quivers fixed almost a year ago. What I was referring to is Stratic Fanatic's statement above referring to the "bugged" quiver of rage. We have had no "official" comment on those.

I'm not complaining, just asking for clarification.

 

[Bomb Bloke]

But we do have an official statement:

A "bugged quiver" weighs more than 50 stones and holds more than 500 arrows.

We are furthermore informed that, if in doubt, we are to page a GM and they will randomly work out whether to modify the item, ban us, or do nothing (depending on their mood). It's entirely up to them.

That is to say, the unpatched QoR's aren't officially bugged and are therefore fair game to use "in the field".

Chrissay does know about them (they're the cause of the confusion that initiated this thread), so given that she specifically discludes them from her definition of "bugged", it's clear they are not considered as such.

Which I suppose means we'll shortly have new threads demanding to know why not. If these are ignored, then the matter will probably die down. If the devs do later decide to make the items illegal, we'll get complaints from all the people who bought the things when the official stance was that they were not bugged (which WILL be ignored, and the matter will die down).

 

[Old Man of UO]

But we do have an official statement:...
Chrissay does know about them (they're the cause of the confusion that initiated this thread), so given that she specifically discludes them from her definition of "bugged", it's clear they are not considered as such.
...

Perhaps you are right, but not answering the question does NOT mean is it okay. It is possible that it is an exploit that causes the QOR to remain at the old stats, in which case she would not address the issue at all until it is fixed. Chrissay only addressed the 400 weight quivers, NOT the QOR's.

My question is simple, will I get a mark on my account if I buy a QOR that did not patch (or is bugged or exploited or whatever the cause)? If they are bad, I will not buy one. If they are okay to own and will always remain that way, then I may buy one.

 

[Stratic Fanatic]

1: Is 10DI on a quiver really worth it?
2: Is the other poster serious about 110M?



Hidden answers.......
1. Umm, no
2. LMAO. Ill take 3.

 

[Bomb Bloke]

It is possible that it is an exploit that causes the QOR to remain at the old stats, in which case she would not address the issue at all until it is fixed.

She wouldn't? I don't understand why not, given that such an exploit would no longer apply (the game isn't still trying to convert quivers, is it?).

But assuming such is the case (and the silence on such an easily answered question makes me think you're right (keeping in mind that "we're looking into it" is one such "easy answer")), then odds are it's a really bad idea to buy them at this time.

1: Is 10DI on a quiver really worth it?

Both patched and unpatched QoR's have 10% Damage Increase on them... Well, a 10% Damage Modifier, anyway.

(DI is applied before resists, DM is applied after - Therefore DM is better).

However, unpatched Quivers deal 10% Direct Damage (this damage type ignores the resistances of the target).

2: Is the other poster serious about 110M?

Quite probably.

 

[Mook Chessy]

Well not quite "the patch missed a few"; you had to make use of a bug to protect your items from the change.

Still, seeing as its OK with EA, I'll start to sell the 'pre-patch' quivers of rage I have. These will be 110M each. PM me if anyone wants one.

Sorry dude but your wrong...I left prodo for Siege about a year ago and had no clue about the Quiver of Rage until I got an icq from a buddy that still payed prodo. I checked all my char and did have one that remained unchanged. I had not logged the char in over 15 months and did nothing whatsoever to affect the quiver, so please look elsewhere for your reason as to why some stayed the same.

PS I sold it for 50 million before the offical word that they are ok!! wished I waited...

 

[Sweeney]

There seems to be a little confusion on what constitutes a "bugged quiver". A "bugged quiver" weighs more than 50 stones and holds more than 500 arrows. If you have one of these types of quivers please page in so that a GM can fix this for you. Please be advised that if another player pages in on you for having a “bugged” quiver, your account may be subject to punitive actions.

Chrissay

Why isn't this on the patch screen for the non-Stratics audience? Do we need to remind you everytime that not everyone reads this forum?

 

[Xanthril of LA]

However, unpatched Quivers deal 10% Direct Damage (this damage type ignores the resistances of the target).

So how does one know whether the quiver is unpatched? What does it say that is different than the patched version? I'd like to check mine out but don't know what I'm looking for. I probably turned one in for points if I had one anyhow, but would like to check the ones I have.

 

[Bomb Bloke]

A patched quiver deals 20% of each "standard" damage type.

 

[Beastmaster]

After reading this thread the other day I decided to resurrect my archer and check his quivers. Didn't find any bugged quivers (that I know of), but I did find a nice stack of arrows. 65529 arrows in a stack that weighs 1 stone. Sweet eh?

 

[Xanthril of LA]

A patched quiver deals 20% of each "standard" damage type.

Thanks man.

 

[Xanthril of LA]

After reading this thread the other day I decided to resurrect my archer and check his quivers. Didn't find any bugged quivers (that I know of), but I did find a nice stack of arrows. 65529 arrows in a stack that weighs 1 stone. Sweet eh?

That is a nice stack.

 

[Whinemaker]

A "bugged quiver" weighs more than 50 stones and holds more than 500 arrows.

Sorry for not being the smartest poster in the world... just want to make sure that it is indeed ok/legal to have/own/possess a Quiver of Rage that deals 40% Physical Damage and 50% Cold Damage as long as it doesn't weigh more than 50 stones and holds more than 500 arrows... or is it not?

 

[ColterDC]

It is OK for now...... but tomorrow.........who knows.

 

[EDA_GL]

Did you mention that you praise Ala?:bowdown::bowdown: You might get a positive response if you re-page with that as your opening line.
OR
Just don't page ever.......since nothing good ever comes out from paging.

 

[Stratic Fanatic]

Did you mention that you praise Ala?

Your word =

a·la (l)
n. pl. a·lae (l)
1. Zoology A wing or winglike structure or part.
2. Anatomy A flat, winglike anatomic process or part, especially of bone.
3. Botany The flattened border of some stems, fruits, and seeds, or either one of the two side petals of certain flowers in the pea family.

 

[Sweeney]

So Chrissay, any word why the patch screen hasn't been updated at all lately? Especially with info that could and has gotten people banned.

 

[chad]

This is so stupid. There was a patch dedicated to clearly fixing the quiver of rage so it did not add extra damage. Now through some loophole, there are still some quivers. Why aren't these quivers changed as well? They offer a clearly unfair advantage to the users.

 

[Old Man of UO]

It is OK for now...... but tomorrow.........who knows.

No where, ever, that I've read specifically said the "pre-patch" Quiver of Rage was legal, only that the bugged ones were not legal. Chrissay did not answer a direct question on this, perhaps because she didn't know or understand. Chrissay ONLY addressed the "bugged" quivers that hold more than 50 stones. Dunno.

But, if you can find a direct quote from EA that says otherwise, I for one would like to see it! Please post a link if you find one.

 

[slayer888]

1: Is 10DI on a quiver really worth it?
2: Is the other poster serious about 110M?



Hidden answers.......
1. Umm, no
2. LMAO. Ill take 3.

Alright, I want to correct you thinking on this part.

A person with a NON BUGGED quiver = 79-95 damage with max damage on heavy crossbow

79-95 x 0.3 = 23-28 (this assume the target is 70 70 70 70 70 resist)


With a BUGGED quiver of RAGE = 79-95 damage with max damage on heavy crossbow

79-95 x 0.3 = (23-28) + 7 to 9 = 30-37 damage (on a 70 70 70 70 70 target)

Then with honor self of the 10% increase

79 x 0.1 = 7 damage increase
95 x 0.1 = 9 damage increase

30 + 7 = 37
37 + 9 = 48

So the min. and max. damage with quiver of rage (BUGGED) and honor self is

37-48 per hit from an archer with average of 43 per shot on a 70 70 70 70 70.

Add on with say BLEED ATTACK and moving shot, it is NOT HARD at all to kill a person assume rare misses.

This is not counting hit lighting, hit velocity those in or ganks at all.

So with those spells together, 1 hit is possibly over 60 damage on a 70 70 70 70 70 suit.

SO DEVS, you gotta fix these remaining BUGGED quiver of rages.

For now, POST IT AS ILLEGAL ITEMS AND WILL BAN ON SIGHT of whoever uses.

Thank you.

 

[slayer888]

There seems to be a little confusion on what constitutes a "bugged quiver". A "bugged quiver" weighs more than 50 stones and holds more than 500 arrows. If you have one of these types of quivers please page in so that a GM can fix this for you. Please be advised that if another player pages in on you for having a “bugged” quiver, your account may be subject to punitive actions.

Chrissay

Dear Chrissay,

You guys have been doing a great job of fixing the quiver of 50 stones.

Which also lead to my 72 hours of suspension upon after the GM fixed the quivers (50 stones) for me.

Anyways, I would like to ask one question, is the pre-patch quiver of rage 50 40 still exists nowadays legal to use?

WE just want your clarifications on this part.

IF NOT, why is there NOT any actions at all and no words on saying when to fix??

Having enemies 2 archers carrying this and shot at once = instant kill immediately and really no point of playing war anymore.

 

[Bomb Bloke]

With a BUGGED quiver of RAGE = 79-95 damage with max damage on heavy crossbow

79-95 x 0.3 = (23-28) + 7 to 9 = 30-37 damage (on a 70 70 70 70 70 target)

Not quite accurate.

79 to 95 x 0.3 (resists) x 0.9 (percent of damage resistable) + 79 to 95 x 0.1 (Direct Damage)
= 21 to 25 + 7 to 9
= 28 to 34 damage (on a 70 70 70 70 70 target)

Then apply the Damage Modifier of 10%:

= 28 to 34 + 2 to 3 = 30 to 37

Remember the displayed damage types on a pre-patch quiver don't total 100%, and those things have Direct Damage in addition to their Damage Modifier.

For the patched quivers, it's:

79 to 95 x 0.3 (resists)
= 23 to 28 damage (on a 70 70 70 70 70 target)

Then apply the Damage Modifier of 10%:

= 23 to 28 + 2 to 2 = 25 to 30

 

[slayer888]

Not quite accurate.

79 to 95 x 0.3 (resists) x 0.9 (percent of damage resistable) + 79 to 95 x 0.1 (Direct Damage)
= 21 to 25 + 7 to 9
= 28 to 34 damage (on a 70 70 70 70 70 target)

Then apply the Damage Modifier of 10%:

= 28 to 34 + 2 to 3 = 30 to 37

Remember the displayed damage types on a pre-patch quiver don't total 100%, and those things have Direct Damage in addition to their Damage Modifier.

For the patched quivers, it's:

79 to 95 x 0.3 (resists)
= 23 to 28 damage (on a 70 70 70 70 70 target)

Then apply the Damage Modifier of 10%:

= 23 to 28 + 2 to 2 = 25 to 30

Thank you for your clarifications.

Anyhow, the point of me stating this is to have EA Chrissay answer my questions whether Prepatch quiver of rage is OK OR NOT to use?

Or it is granted illegal and will be bannable on sight?

I just need this simple message, and howcome Chrissay is not replying at all?

I AM VERY DISAPPOINTED about this game.

Why would there always some people must have advantage over others in UO?

This is a very obvious advantage in the pvp field. I don't see any reason why not even a SHORT reply would state that the quiver is illegal to use and bannable?

Is it so hard to PUT it on the headline saying:-

Quiver of Rage (prepatch) not used are considered exploit item and should lead to be banned if caught by GM.

THATS HOW SIMPLE IT IS.

 

[Old Man of UO]

Quiver of Rage (prepatch) not used are considered exploit item and should lead to be banned if caught by GM.

THATS HOW SIMPLE IT IS.

If only it were that simple. I don't think people should be banned for this (unless it can be shown that it WAS an exploit to create it), just get the thing fixed.

 

[Gark]

Not including posters in this thread i personally know of 3, and have heard of 4 more people paging gm on themselves for both types of odd quivers and being banned.
In short quit worrying if yer gonna get banned, quit worrying if they will say it is ok for you to have a buggy item, do like i did with the 3 over 50 stones, and the 2 off damage ones i found in my stuff.
Luna bank tash bin.

For the lame brains who assume a person did these purposefully, the over 50 stones quivers came about if a person left it locked down in a secure chest during server maintenance, and was first noted not long after mondain's launched. Not sure how long after the patch to correct came in.
So if ye gotta a cpl from swoops, or from painted caves and tossed em in yer house they did it. yeah thats using a bug to exploit.
The extra damage ones probably came about in similar fashion. So fox from europa, if ye've only been around a year or 2, ye probly dont know.

 

[Connor_Graham]

For the lame brains who assume a person did these purposefully, the over 50 stones quivers came about if a person left it locked down in a secure chest during server maintenance,

For those lame brains that think that leaving a quiver in a chest is the only way to make these quivers, there is another way to make them very easily that has nothing to do with server maintenance, and is very much a deliberate use of an exploit.

Those lame brains must be feeling pretty stupid right about now.

 

[Gark]

For those lame brains that think that leaving a quiver in a chest is the only way to make these quivers, there is another way to make them very easily that has nothing to do with server maintenance, and is very much a deliberate use of an exploit.

Those lame brains must be feeling pretty stupid right about now.

Did i Say was the only way it happens? Nope. Said that was when it first came about, to illustrate that they are not all deliberate.
If you took offense to my post (you obviously did), did i quote you somehow? Nope.
Nice troll attempt tho. Kudos .
Btw Tesla (band) sucked. Tesla(inventor, genius) pwned.

 

[Connor_Graham]

Not even going to waste my time with someone that can't take the time to spell.

Btw....I really don't care what your opinion of Tesla is.


Either one.

 

[Omnius]

This thread can go bye bye now as it no longer needs to be here.

 

[Old Man of UO]

This thread can go bye bye now as it no longer needs to be here.

Agreed... the fewer stickies the better, especially when a thread becomes obsolete.