Tired of the PVP Complaing.

[Beefcake101]

I finally have to post here. I been having my account for 122 months. I have never missed a payment. I have not played in over 4 years but i still kept my account up.

I do remember the old days. It sucked. I hated it and lost a lot of friends due to them getting killed every time they walked out of town. Still to this day no one ever PK's alone. Always get ganked. Why would someone want to go to fel? Think people like getting ganked. There is no one going there for a reason.


1. Well lets see. You want a old rule set so they made Siege(still not happy) but still you cry because there is no one for you to gank on your shard.

2. Devs gave you power scrolls (still not happy) to try to help you guys get more people to gank but still no one going there because it is not worth it. You can not even find people to do pearless bosses but you want them to go to fel? Yeah right.

3. Devs gave you The Harrower (still not happy)

4. Factions (still not happy)


Just what i can think of on the top of my list. I am sure other people can add to it.

You think people enjoy that they want to work magery skill to 120 but the only way they are going to get the scroll is to pay 18 million gold for it. How are they ever going to make that? Same as taming (6 million) and other skills. I play this game for housing, crafting and killing monsters with friends. I do go to fel but when i go i am always alone. Can never find a buddy that wants to go there. But you have to if you want power scrolls.

It is not fun doing a spawn in fel with 4 people and the boss is 2 minutes from death then 30 reds come and kill you take loot and scrolls ( but yet you still complain) like people enjoy that.

Is there a problem with people playing on the shard made for them (Siege).
Why can you not just kill each other. Why do you have to kill some one that is walking around with a flute and nothing else.

Wonder what you will get next/ Seems like Devs bend over backwards for you people but you are never happy. I think Tram?fel was screwed up also but it is better than what it was.

 

[Vexxed]

1) I hope your just really borred.... bc otherwise your just asking for it...

2) Far FAR FAR more things have been added to this game that ONLY apply to Trammel than to fel.. & much more complaining done about them.....

3) Since you can apparently feel justified in saying too many of us PvP'ers are complaining how you can possibly think we don't feel the same way about YOU ???



Ps...

Fel Came first
Might Makes Right
Here comes a Red To Take your Head !

Muhahahaha!!!

 

[Viper09]

Ok, let's see here.
Your title is "Tired of the PVP Complaining." Or at least it would if you spelled complaining correctly But that's beside the point.
And here you are complaining about complainers as well as complaining about PvP yourself. So going by what you have written doesn't that mean you are tired of yourself?

 

[Chad Sexington]

I finally have to post here. I been having my account for 122 months. I have never missed a payment. I have not played in over 4 years but i still kept my account up.

I do remember the old days. It sucked. I hated it and lost a lot of friends due to them getting killed every time they walked out of town. Still to this day no one ever PK's alone. Always get ganked. Why would someone want to go to fel? Think people like getting ganked. There is no one going there for a reason.


1. Well lets see. You want a old rule set so they made Siege(still not happy) but still you cry because there is no one for you to gank on your shard.

2. Devs gave you power scrolls (still not happy) to try to help you guys get more people to gank but still no one going there because it is not worth it. You can not even find people to do pearless bosses but you want them to go to fel? Yeah right.

3. Devs gave you The Harrower (still not happy)

4. Factions (still not happy)


Just what i can think of on the top of my list. I am sure other people can add to it.

You think people enjoy that they want to work magery skill to 120 but the only way they are going to get the scroll is to pay 18 million gold for it. How are they ever going to make that? Same as taming (6 million) and other skills. I play this game for housing, crafting and killing monsters with friends. I do go to fel but when i go i am always alone. Can never find a buddy that wants to go there. But you have to if you want power scrolls.

It is not fun doing a spawn in fel with 4 people and the boss is 2 minutes from death then 30 reds come and kill you take loot and scrolls ( but yet you still complain) like people enjoy that.

Is there a problem with people playing on the shard made for them (Siege).
Why can you not just kill each other. Why do you have to kill some one that is walking around with a flute and nothing else.

Wonder what you will get next/ Seems like Devs bend over backwards for you people but you are never happy. I think Tram?fel was screwed up also but it is better than what it was.

You go wrong right from the start. It's a misconception that Siege is a pvp shard. Not true. It's a just a shard with fel rule set on all facets. The biggest guild on the shard is a blue guild. Crafters are a rare and valuable commodity.

Siege is also a shard where it's hard to be anonymous. The two biggest reasons for this are 1 character per account and RoT. A lot of the griefing in the old days was due to people being able to create new characters, train them in a week, do whatever they want, kill whoever they want, screw over whoever they want, delete their character, rinse, and repeat.

I also don't understand what you mean by "Devs bend over backwards for you people." If by bending over backwards you mean throwing pvpers a bone, then yes. I guess you're right. It's as if the Devs denied Trammel exclusive players one thing (power scrolls) and it's pitchfork and torch time.

Siege wasn't created for the pvpers. It was created for the people who enjoy old UO. Don't get the two mixed up. There's a reason every other pvp guild doesn't pack up and move to Siege. They're not looking for old UO.

 

[mutau]

Vexxed, he's just asking for it anyway........ lol. So i say, let 'em die in fel. haha.

Beefy, for the love of God, PLEASE PLEASE don't come to Fel anymore. If you don't like it, don't come. We're doing fine, thanks. We roll with the changes, apparently, you don't.

Oh ya, why you walking with just a flute? afraid of getting your stuff looted? there's a thing called "insurance". Just 300 gold per piece and you get it back in your pack when you're rezzed.

And if you pvp, you'd know that its the love of the fight, not just murdering. we just murder because you were there. so........................ *whispers* don't be there.

 

[Maplestone]

The boards are well-patrolled by people experienced in trash-talking Beefcake101, so I fear this thread is doomed to go down in flames. But welcome to the party - you're definitely not alone in your frustration. Just remember that forums, by their nature, tend to amplify the most grumpy voices and most contentious issues.

 

[Beer_Cayse]

Pffft. Chad states it very well. Go read his response ...

I don't PvP but have. PvP has gotten far less attenttion in the past years than you think. Only recently has it been getting ANY love.

 

[GalenKnighthawke]

Thank you.

-Galen's player

 

[WarUltima]

Wow didnt the OP said hes tried of "PvPers Complaining" or "PvP Complains". Or did I read the title wrong?

I mean, maybe I am drunk but sounds like hes complaining about PvP along with Fel...

 

[o2bavr6]

Beefcake don't forget that Tram gets Artifacts and Fel Doesn't.

Also the Tram land mass is much bigger than Fel.

Blues get to go to Tram or Fel, yet Reds are stuck in Fel. (not that reds would want to go, but fair is fair... right?)

But I will say that Reds in Fel are their own worst enemy. Sadly the population is not as large, so when we see a target we usualy attack first and then ask questions later. And the reason it's not as large is.... because we usualy attack first and then ask questions later...

As for a red coming across a naked blue in the middle of nowhere, I would think that most reds who bothered to kill you would also res you right after.

I cant speak for everyone, but in my opinion Tram is boring. There is nothing like the feeling you get, along with sweaty palms, when you arent sure if your going to get pked while doing something.

Sadly you have certain people who just play to grief and there is nothing anyone can do about that in Tram. And in some cases Fel, but at least in Fel you can attempt to kill them if they are bothering your game play.

Have you ever had some player come to where you were killing things and just disrupt your game play? Or jump in to help kill your monster when you didnt want him to?

This never happens in Fel!! That is other than Champ spawns, but those are just a free for all anyway, or more accurately under the control of the large PvP guilds.

In the end, all that matters is that you are happy, and if you are happier in Tram by all means stay there earn gold buy a 120 magery power scroll. It's really a simple fix to your issues.

 

[Green Meanie]

At the op :

Tram gets alot of things that fel doesnt to name a few

DOOM
Dread horn
Cus Spawn
Reptilion (forgive my spelling)
the labrynth
Larger housing selection
Travasty
Hiyru spawn
:gun::gun: EZ MODE :gun::gun:

its been IMO a long understanding pvpers pay trammies to gather the things that arnt availbe to are game play we want and you pay us for stuff that you cant git that you want.

And as for powerscrolls the best change to spawns in a long time has happend. As long as your alive in the same subserver as the boss when it dies you have a chance to get the scrolls and replicas regardless if you hit the boss. Seems like you have better odds for killing the boss but a chance none the less if you killed some spawn. This helps balance the fact that its ezier to raid at level 4 than defend the spawn seeing how the defenders are normaly under assult from the spawn and in the case of necros on foot

 

[Aboo]

You should have known better than to post this, every screwball who PvPs and thinks they got shafted will be here insulting you.

I don't necessarily agree with you on most points but I do agree that I lost a LOT of friends before Trammel was invented because they were sick of getting pked everytime they left the city. I, for one, hadn't explored even half of Britannia before Trammel because as soon as I stepped foot inside a dungeon or outside a city I saw grey.

My main complaint is that so many aspects of MY gameplay gets nerfed or changed because the PvPers whine about it not being fair to them. I want to just tell them "Waaaaaaaa" just like they say to anyone they derogatorily refer to as "trammies" who complain.

However, I will say that I love my time on Siege. The people there, for the most part, are awesome. Sure I've been pked more times that I care to count, but I knew what I was getting myself in for when I started there. The community there is what makes that shard so great. But you know those PvPers who are complaining aren't about to go play Siege because it's too hard for them! They want it easy but still have the right to complain because the "trammies" are messing it up for them.

 

[Cetric]

Lets see here mr. fel complaint #54890454


I Play predominantly in fel, the only time i go to trammel is to do something with my vendors. I used to play in tram alot but it got old to me, was jsut a rares buyer and seller. But anyways. Since everyone seems to think that "pvpers" get everything handed to them because we get power scrolls and no one else does, let me remind you, you can come to fel and get them to, you just have to fight for them. Bring a tram guild, learn to fight for them, whatever you gotta do. You complain about buying a 18mil mage scroll? Maybe i should complain about buying a 16mil crimmy from you? should i complain about all the armor i buy from bod running trammies that get the hammers and make the armor? Should we all complain everytime we want to get some new pixel crack hair dye? You are in it for the pvm, we are in it for the pvp, the only major bonus we get out of that is power scrolls. If we could have all out pvp wars over crimson cintures im sure that would happen aswell. This argument is old and selfish. You dont want to come to pvp for your power scrolls, and we dont want to come pvm for peeless drops. You dont want to play a red main char, we dont want a blue main char. Get over it and stop being selfish, turn off easy mode and pretend pvpers are super peelesses.

 

[Storm]

My only problem with the pvp set up as it is the fact that it seems like the pvpers want to force there game play and style on the majority there mad because they have no sheep to cull and are tired of killing each other
how about we force trammel rule set on them and get ride of pvp period !! not likin that idea I bet !
I like the way it is now we all have our own play style areas its when you you try to force people to conform to the the way they want to play with no other options that kills pvp for me !
And before some one asks yes I played pvp when thats all there was before t2a and the change to trammel was brought on by the pvpers themselves they would sit hidden in mass and gank you then rez then gank they would camp your houses pvm was at its all time low then because you had to worry about killing a high end creature then getting killed by the murderer that hide during all your hard work and just took everything you have!

 

[WarUltima]

My only problem with the pvp set up as it is the fact that it seems like the pvpers want to force there game play and style on the majority there mad because they have no sheep to cull and are tired of killing each other
how about we force trammel rule set on them and get ride of pvp period !! not likin that idea I bet !
I like the way it is now we all have our own play style areas its when you you try to force people to conform to the the way they want to play with no other options that kills pvp for me !
And before some one asks yes I played pvp when thats all there was before t2a and the change to trammel was brought on by the pvpers themselves they would sit hidden in mass and gank you then rez then gank they would camp your houses pvm was at its all time low then because you had to worry about killing a high end creature then getting killed by the murderer that hide during all your hard work and just took everything you have!

Right so you can tell the OP to quit crying about Fel.
Fel is just too harsh for the "majority", sometimes. Thats why you already got mutiple facets vs fel's only 1. Without good old Fel PvPers UO economy would suffer too.

Tram players are used to have things handed to them on silver plate. And no PS on tram is by far the most powerful thing to keep fel alive, and people dont mind being PKed can venture there and "try" for some rewards. I said "try" because if you died before the finishing line you could get nothing, yet on tram its you work it, and get rewarded.

I did some tram spawns and 100% of the time just to have some blues come in on champ (nice tram ghost cam right there), and say "ROFL LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL THX FOR ALL UR WORK FOO! HAHAHAHAH" if they do get an arty(******** BS system right here). And he knows there's nothing I can do to him.

That's my view on trammies. If this was in fel, I will face plant him first, and see if he can be all happy about stealing kills/grifeing.

There are at least 10 times more grifers in tram than Fel. And in fel when grifing happens you have an option to fix it, not praying to the RNG GOD and hope he dont get nothing.

 

[Beefcake101]

My main complaint is that so many aspects of MY gameplay gets nerfed or changed because the PvPers whine about it not being fair to them. I want to just tell them "Waaaaaaaa" just like they say to anyone they derogatorily refer to as "trammies" who complain.

But you know those PvPers who are complaining aren't about to go play Siege because it's too hard for them! They want it easy but still have the right to complain because the "trammies" and messing it up for them.

Thank you, Some one finally understands me. Why do we have to suffer all the time because of the Reds are never happy. There fail to see that you committed a crime to go red so you have to pay the price. Devs do what they can to try to make u have to go there to make them happy. How is the average player going to get that 18 million gold power scroll without buying gold from the reds? Wonder what they will get next? People work hard in this game (legit player) to get a decent piece of armor but lazy red would rather people have no insurance kill you and take your armor. Is that right? I still go to fel and sit back and watch all the time the raids at champ spawns. This happens everyday and they control the market, no one has a chance. Not once i have seen a red work a spawn on their own and claim there own prize. However you see ghost cams on every spawn and can follow them to watch raid, after raid, after raid.

I do not care if i am a ghost or die 100 times a day, I just do not want my game changed anymore because of the cry babies. Almost all sites you go to, you will see crying from them.

 

[Beefcake101]

Lets see here mr. fel complaint #54890454


I Play predominantly in fel, the only time i go to trammel is to do something with my vendors. I used to play in tram alot but it got old to me, was jsut a rares buyer and seller. But anyways. Since everyone seems to think that "pvpers" get everything handed to them because we get power scrolls and no one else does, let me remind you, you can come to fel and get them to, you just have to fight for them. Bring a tram guild, learn to fight for them, whatever you gotta do. You complain about buying a 18mil mage scroll? Maybe i should complain about buying a 16mil crimmy from you? should i complain about all the armor i buy from bod running trammies that get the hammers and make the armor? Should we all complain everytime we want to get some new pixel crack hair dye? You are in it for the pvm, we are in it for the pvp, the only major bonus we get out of that is power scrolls. If we could have all out pvp wars over crimson cintures im sure that would happen aswell. This argument is old and selfish. You dont want to come to pvp for your power scrolls, and we dont want to come pvm for peeless drops. You dont want to play a red main char, we dont want a blue main char. Get over it and stop being selfish, turn off easy mode and pretend pvpers are super peelesses.

I agree with some of your post. Point i am trying to make is, Out of 100 messages you will see 80 of them being reds asking to change something. Granted blues ask a lot also but why does game play have to suffer due to the all the crying. I agree if you you do not and to PK or get PK'ed just do not go to Fel, but Why try to force people to go there when they do not want? I know of a few reds that have like 20 power scrolls sitting on a vendor at over 15 million each. He does not work hard to get them. We do the work and him and 15 of his friends come in at the end and take all of our hard work, we get nothing. Is that fair? Do blues to that to you every day? 4 against 20 is not sport.

 

[Morgana LeFay (PoV)]

What's "Complaing." ??

 

[Aboo]

. . .That's my view on trammies. . .

There you go with the insults. Of course I would expect nothing less. [Emphasis mine]

There are at least 10 times more grifers in tram than Fel. And in fel when grifing happens you have an option to fix it, not praying to the RNG GOD and hope he dont get nothing.

Well of course there are 10 times more griefers (I won't nitpick your spelling like others are doing to the OP's spelling of complaining) in Trammel than in Felucca because there are 10 times (or more) players in Trammel than in Felucca!!

 

[WarUltima]

There you go with the insults. Of course I would expect nothing less. [Emphasis mine]
Well of course there are 10 times more griefers (I won't nitpick your spelling like others are doing to the OP's spelling of complaining) in Trammel than in Felucca because there are 10 times (or more) players in Trammel than in Felucca!!

So you have nothing to say about the point tram grifers has zero way to counter them eh.

Right fel is so under populated yet some of you still refuse to turn off easy mode and take a spin in fel? You are not gonna see a soul anyways. I am glad PS only exist in fel, and unlike you I didnt QQing about not getting everything else you know peerless, doom, malas, Ilish did I?

Exactly, if you cant handle Fel where justice is ran by the group with more power/better at pvp then just farm the hell out of all the massive landmass you are given and buy some PSs, not QQing.

There's no grief in fel, give me an example of a grifing act and I can tell you how to resolve it. and NO getting owned by the better group isnt one, this is FOOTBALL oops i mean fel, its a hardcore sport.

 

[Lord_Puffy]

I agree with some of your post. Point i am trying to make is, Out of 100 messages you will see 80 of them being reds asking to change something. Granted blues ask a lot also but why does game play have to suffer due to the all the crying. I agree if you you do not and to PK or get PK'ed just do not go to Fel, but Why try to force people to go there when they do not want? I know of a few reds that have like 20 power scrolls sitting on a vendor at over 15 million each. He does not work hard to get them. We do the work and him and 15 of his friends come in at the end and take all of our hard work, we get nothing. Is that fair? Do blues to that to you every day? 4 against 20 is not sport.

You are very blind and very ignorant.

Read stratics sometime and you will see who the majority is that complains, and who gets heard.

 

[Der Rock]

I finally have to post here. I been having my account for 122 months. I have never missed a payment. I have not played in over 4 years but i still kept my account up.

I do remember the old days. It sucked. I hated it and lost a lot of friends due to them getting killed every time they walked out of town. Still to this day no one ever PK's alone. Always get ganked. Why would someone want to go to fel? Think people like getting ganked. There is no one going there for a reason.


1. Well lets see. You want a old rule set so they made Siege(still not happy) but still you cry because there is no one for you to gank on your shard.

2. Devs gave you power scrolls (still not happy) to try to help you guys get more people to gank but still no one going there because it is not worth it. You can not even find people to do pearless bosses but you want them to go to fel? Yeah right.

3. Devs gave you The Harrower (still not happy)

4. Factions (still not happy)


Just what i can think of on the top of my list. I am sure other people can add to it.

You think people enjoy that they want to work magery skill to 120 but the only way they are going to get the scroll is to pay 18 million gold for it. How are they ever going to make that? Same as taming (6 million) and other skills. I play this game for housing, crafting and killing monsters with friends. I do go to fel but when i go i am always alone. Can never find a buddy that wants to go there. But you have to if you want power scrolls.

It is not fun doing a spawn in fel with 4 people and the boss is 2 minutes from death then 30 reds come and kill you take loot and scrolls ( but yet you still complain) like people enjoy that.

Is there a problem with people playing on the shard made for them (Siege).
Why can you not just kill each other. Why do you have to kill some one that is walking around with a flute and nothing else.

Wonder what you will get next/ Seems like Devs bend over backwards for you people but you are never happy. I think Tram?fel was screwed up also but it is better than what it was.

nice post, you are 100% corect.
there is NO real pvp in UO, it is all about assasine a blue at the champ if he is at half health .
the whole carrots in fel thing is dumb and poor .
i bet if the dev´s would remove the carrots in fell, then there would be 999 from 1000 player play in tram.(atm it is 900/1000)
i personal would call ALL player to boycott fell and nobody should by any scroll
let this poor and dump playstyle starving
the dev´s dont learn from the past,they start again with new carrots in fell, and i am sure it will fail again in the long term.
the dev´s realy DONT understood WHY other games have 9million+ player
the Majority of all players dont like dumb playstyles ,thats it

 

[Aboo]

So you have nothing to say about the point tram grifers has zero way to counter them eh.

Right fel is so under populated yet some of you still refuse to turn off easy mode and take a spin in fel? You are not gonna see a soul anyways. I am glad PS only exist in fel, and unlike you I didnt QQing about not getting everything else you know peerless, doom, malas, Ilish did I?

Exactly, if you cant handle Fel where justice is ran by the group with more power/better at pvp then just farm the hell out of all the massive landmass you are given and buy some PSs, not QQing.

There's no grief in fel, give me an example of a grifing act and I can tell you how to resolve it. and NO getting owned by the better group isnt one, this is FOOTBALL oops i mean fel, its a hardcore sport.

If I understood what you are trying to say I might be able to respond to it. But I don't so I doubt I can intelligently answer most of your questions.

I can tell you that your statement "NO getting owned by the better group isnt one" isn't really applicable if you are a lone person in Felucca and a "group" kills you. That isn't griefing to you? Granted you knew what could happen when you crossed into Felucca but still . . .

However, I will tell you that rather than deal with the twinkie Fellies that run around in Felucca, I prefer to spend my time in a "risk vs. reward" environment on Siege. I have found in my time there that the majority of people who play Siege are honorable players, rather than those who play Felucca on normal shards. Before EVERYONE who plays on Felucca takes offense, those who play like Twinkies know who they are, not everyone is that way.

 

[Spree]

1. Well lets see. You want a old rule set so they made Siege(still not happy) but still you cry because there is no one for you to gank on your shard.

What are you talking about?????

Siege was created July 16 1999
http://uo.stratics.com/content/basics/siege.shtml

UO:R came out April 3, 2000, and ever since we have had the Trammel rule set bleed on to the shard.

Siege isn't a PVP Shard it is an advance shard. What I think you are asking is for the Devs to call up Staples and have an Easy Button in stalled into the trammel rule set client.

 

[Madrid]

Beefcake101 your dead on in your post. The majority of the above posters are too blind to see it. Clearly people arguing against your position aren't seeing things objectively.

I've already ranted in enough threads but the majority of people who consider themselves Felluccans enjoy all the benefits of being a Trammelite. I've seen many of the TOP PK Guilds on the two shards I'm active on running around killing swoops/miasma and doing Peerless/Doom and enjoying the so called 'benefits' bestowed on Trammelites. So all in all that argument is riddled with holes.

Feluccan's and Trammelite both cry and whine endlessly. The difference is the Felluccan's don't have a leg to stand on with regard to the powerscroll distribution.

PvP is what happens out of Yew Gate or other various hot spots on certain shard where it's consentual. Player Killing and Ganking is what transpires at Champion Spawns.

I'm all for consentual PvP and people testing their metal and it's a part of the game that everyone should experience at some point in time. What I'm not for is picking on the weak and killing players who can't defend themselves. Players that goto Fellucca should know full well the ramifactions of doing just that and said players going there should be consentual. With the Powerscroll system set up the way it is players are 'forced' to go Felucca to get the powerscrolls or pay out the nose in Luna. Being 'forced' is not consentual.

With regard to the powerscroll system Pro-Feluccan's don't have an argument and the DEV's patch set for Publish 58 is neither fair nor balanced.

When it comes to Feluccan's wanting more risk..no insurance, completely lootable corpses I think they have a legitmate argument.

The bottom line is no playstyle or facet should have access to something(tangible items) the other doesn't.

There shouldn't have to be a carrot or incentive to go fight other than the love and desire to do just that. UO in it's PvP hayday circa UO:R had no powerscrolls and there was plenty of PvP action to be had.

If people want to fight and kill other players by all means go ahead and do that but drawing in players who have no desire to do that by withholding an integral part of the game is total bull**** and anyone who doesn't see that is the idiot.

 

[Chad Sexington]

Beefcake101 your dead on in your post. The majority of the above posters are too blind to see it. Clearly people arguing against your position aren't seeing things objectively.

Beefcake was not dead on about Siege. PvP and Siege are separate discussions.

The truth is that players should never have been able to move back and forth to Trammel and Felucca. They should have been separate from the start.

/thread.

 

[Aboo]

Beefcake was not dead on about Siege. PvP and Siege are separate discussions.

The truth is that players should never have been able to move back and forth to Trammel and Felucca. They should have been separate from the start.

/thread.

I agree with your point of view, mostly. However, if the two facets were separate from the start, wouldn't Felucca have been even more deserted than it is now?

 

[WarUltima]

Beefcake101 your dead on in your post. The majority of the above posters are too blind to see it. Clearly people arguing against your position aren't seeing things objectively.

I've already ranted in enough threads but the majority of people who consider themselves Felluccans enjoy all the benefits of being a Trammelite. I've seen many of the TOP PK Guilds on the two shards I'm active on running around killing swoops/miasma and doing Peerless/Doom and enjoying the so called 'benefits' bestowed on Trammelites. So all in all that argument is riddled with holes.

Feluccan's and Trammelite both cry and whine endlessly. The difference is the Felluccan's don't have a leg to stand on with regard to the powerscroll distribution.

PvP is what happens out of Yew Gate or other various hot spots on certain shard where it's consentual. Player Killing and Ganking is what transpires at Champion Spawns.

I'm all for consentual PvP and people testing their metal and it's a part of the game that everyone should experience at some point in time. What I'm not for is picking on the weak and killing players who can't defend themselves. Players that goto Fellucca should know full well the ramifactions of doing just that and said players going there should be consentual. With the Powerscroll system set up the way it is players are 'forced' to go Felucca to get the powerscrolls or pay out the nose in Luna. Being 'forced' is not consentual.

With regard to the powerscroll system Pro-Feluccan's don't have an argument and the DEV's patch set for Publish 58 is neither fair nor balanced.

When it comes to Feluccan's wanting more risk..no insurance, completely lootable corpses I think they have a legitmate argument.

The bottom line is no playstyle or facet should have access to something(tangible items) the other doesn't.

There shouldn't have to be a carrot or incentive to go fight other than the love and desire to do just that. UO in it's PvP hayday circa UO:R had no powerscrolls and there was plenty of PvP action to be had.

If people want to fight and kill other players by all means go ahead and do that but drawing in players who have no desire to do that by withholding an integral part of the game is total bull**** and anyone who doesn't see that is the idiot.

Very subjective and self centered or should I say "typical" post.
You said Fel players enjoy tram system? What if I want to go to a spot where only exists on tram (the majority of them) but yet I do not wish any other player who wasnt there before me to stay there? Do I beg them that they do not kill the mob I initiated assult on? the champ I worked thru all 4 stages and finally poped? The truth is the friendly tram dudes will walk in and see a coon or any champ boss and start attacking regardless if they worked the spawn or not. And there's not a goddamn thing you can do about it. So its very stupid and unfair to players who worked thru the whole thing wishing to maximize their chance for a reward.

It goes both ways. Fel players are FORCED to play on tram rulsets for items they cant normally get in fel. If that means to encounter the hordes of friendly tram grifers, all they can to is EAT it.

Now you turn around and crying about how fel players gets the benefit of tram (yes we do if we follow the rules of tram land) now if you would follow the same logic YOU provided in YOUR posts saying about following rules and get rewarded then please follow the rules of fel. If you are not able to finish a champ spawn either by lacking in skill in killing the champ or other players, you would get nothing.

Trammel: If you work on something you usually get rewarded but you deal with uncounterable player griefing, and anyone is free to hit on your mob and steal away/cut down your chance of being rewarded.

Fel: All or Nothing. There's no grifing, you put yourselves up for the hardest challenge in UO. To the raiding guilds they "work" on killing you off/pushing other guilds out. If you happen to get pushed out you get nothing because that's how the DEV DESIGNED THE FACET the day they gave you guys trammel. Samething goes either way. You can go to fel and see a red guild doing a champ spawn and you call your friends in and PUSH THEM OUT while they are at a disadvantage because they were doing the spawns first, and kill their champ, now they get NOTHING, you get it ALL. That's the life of fel, and I can perfectly fine with it, just like when I go to tram I am willing to accept the rules there and quietly cuss at the massive tram grifers in my heart when they do come (about 95% of the time).

Glad dev is fixing the long overdue PS distribution bug.

 

[Warpig Inc]

With the new Faction gear what comes from the Twisted Wield/ Bedlam/ Labrynth/ Travesty that is nothing more then deco? Mask of Travesty/ Jackle? BODs are in fel for that post and your real hard core if your crafters' red and can't come trade. Hair dye, really when Milly was a take your turn hot item we went to the fel side. Got something good just BOS it/ insured it/ Help stuck it out. Then leave the secure milly fel area to come out dancing in fields.

I was on the PVP side and had a keep in compassion desert. The ideal of sitting around waiting for the new guy to find a spawn being worked was dumb. Could of done load of our own in that time of waiting. The funny thing was some would argue that they didn't want to "get raided" arguement while we waited to do the same. But the thing that made me put on the Trammi Crown and wear it with pride now...........nothing to do with balance.......... was all the hack/ expliots/ bugs. The loss of a PBD was last straw.

Just like players that PVP are all gear and stats set to do what they do. A PVMer is also fine tuned to do what they do. So don't be surprised when you get no looting rights because I'm a god in my own little world. I have templates you wont see in fel like a FireHorn Bard. Guy is made to do one thing and that is soloing the Bedlam named undead area. Just because I show and help finnish the spawn doesn't overrule your work. The drop checks who did the most at the whole champ and checks that person first and then moves down the line till someone gets the % hit for a reward. Those hardcore trammies work together with the ideal as fast as possible do another. And if I find to many necros being a wither pain I change template and put away the slow Blaze of Death. Being effective hunter is worse for trammies needing the swiss army knife full of templates and more then one account.

I like the ideal of getting rid of insurance as long each player is issued 4 PBDs to get some use of costly items. No need for everyone to be in a cookie cutter suit. Lost my first suit at the COD. Learned the slow server and the run back and forth to Delucia was to far. Just tought me to keep extra suit in bank and hope what killed me was off my corpse when I returned.

Hemi I like the whole time out thing for high murder counts. Something along the ideal I had for an alternative to banning accounts. Active in game time spent in a cell for being bad. Color tiled wall that randomixed on a timer. The inmate would have to arange colored boxes on the floor in the same order. Fail to do so before next shuffle get auto logged till next server up. Those doing time for whatever bannable offense would also have the accounts house and bank boxes put in off limits status. Makes me think of days when friend couldn't find a place for a house and had to live off a boat, LOL.

Even if they have an active in game GMs watching over the latest Harry War or any other player hotspot I don't see myself retruning to fel but for the forced events.

 

[JC the Builder]

1. Well lets see. You want a old rule set so they made Siege(still not happy) but still you cry because there is no one for you to gank on your shard.

People on Siege Perilous were happy. Then they came out with the Age of Shadows changes and messed it all up.

2. Devs gave you power scrolls (still not happy) to try to help you guys get more people to gank but still no one going there because it is not worth it. You can not even find people to do pearless bosses but you want them to go to fel? Yeah right.

3. Devs gave you The Harrower (still not happy)

Power Scrolls and the Harrower went in at the same time. People were really happy about them. And it wasn't an addition only for PVP, it was for everyone. People had fun with this for years and it is still the major focus of group PVP today.

4. Factions (still not happy)

Who are you kidding? Everyone enjoyed factions for about 2 years. Then it got boring and lame because of bugs and neglect. They abandoned plans for upgrades and let the system atrophy for 8 years. Finally they started doing something and got people interested again, but that interest has faded once again due to changes taking so long to implement.

PVP was neglected for ~6 years and only recently has it been focused on.

 

[Chad Sexington]

Feluccan's and Trammelite both cry and whine endlessly. The difference is the Felluccan's don't have a leg to stand on with regard to the powerscroll distribution.

PvM in Trammel is forced on players much more than non-consentual PvP is forced on players.

There shouldn't have to be a carrot or incentive to go fight other than the love and desire to do just that. UO in it's PvP hayday circa UO:R had no powerscrolls and there was plenty of PvP action to be had.

There are many more carrots to go to Trammel than there are to go to Felucca.


This argument comes up a lot. It also gets argued poorly when people assume Trammel is the default play style. Neither is the default play style. When you look at both sides evenly, Trammel gets the lions share of the perks and many of its players who argue for it are clawing for the rest.

 

[ZeroDay]

So to sum up all of these posts.
Reason to go to Fel: (1 Facet)
1. Power Scrolls
2. Unrestricted PvP
3. Resources


Reasons to go to Tram (4 Facets)
1. Artifacts
2. Peerless
3. Complete safety.
4. Loot (facet specific)


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Personally I'd rather not play in trammel. I'm happy playing my solo red bomber running around killing blues in town banking obliviously to my evil plans.

I'm all for Tram having its own power scrolls, provided there are also Fel rulesets for every other Facet currently under the Tram ruleset.

I'd rather go to a Doom dungeon in Fel than in Tram. But ah well no can do.

As such instead of griping about who has what, why not just ask for everybody to get the same stuff.

In the beginning, Pvp was a refuge of the few. As the game got older, AI and PvM got less interesting and people moved on to the better monster, ie other players.

Then the game got larger, and more importantly competition sprouted. And people flooded to the competition. And then people came back and they looked at UO and said, why don't we have what they have?

In response Tram was born.
The fundamental flaw between the Fel/Tram system is that players can traverse the two.

This means that there must be balance. But how can you balance risk/reward with no risk/reward.

The result is that risk has steadily been eliminated from both facets, and reward has been increased.


Remove the passage between tram and fel
duplicate the landmasses and benefits of each facet

For Fel.
remove insurance and blessings from all items except jewelry
Change chivalry to draw gold from the players backpack.
Fels population will likely remain the same


For Trammel
Leave as is


Within 3 months, both will have stabilized and we will be spared the commentary from either side about what they are denied.

 

[Aboo]

. . . This argument comes up a lot. It also gets argued poorly when people assume Trammel is the default play style. Neither is the default play style. When you look at both sides evenly, Trammel gets the lions share of the perks and many of its players who argue for it are clawing for the rest.

How many people play Trammel compared to Felucca? Wouldn't it make more sense to try and placate the majority players as opposed to the minority? I won't argue whether Trammel gets the lion share because quite honestly I am not sure whether they do or not, but I do know that Trammel has the majority players and I believe that is an indisputable fact.

I also believe that a lot of the nerfs that come our way are courtesy of PvPers complaining about how things work in PvP. Therefore MY playstyle gets changed for a playstyle that I don't even do. *shrugs* It's part of UO I suppose.

 

[ColterDC]

all the hack/ expliots/ bugs.

This game is filled to the brim with cheaters, and I for one am sick and tired of the honest players being the very small minority.

Do the world of respectable gaming a favor and let Fel and this entire game die.

 

[Omnius]

I'm tired of the spoiled children who complain about pvp being in this game too!

 

[Beefcake101]

How many people play Trammel compared to Felucca? Wouldn't it make more sense to try and placate the majority players as opposed to the minority? I won't argue whether Trammel gets the lion share because quite honestly I am not sure whether they do or not, but I do know that Trammel has the majority players and I believe that is an indisputable fact.

I also believe that a lot of the nerfs that come our way are courtesy of PvPers complaining about how things work in PvP. Therefore MY playstyle gets changed for a playstyle that I don't even do. *shrugs* It's part of UO I suppose.

Thank you. Why change things to make a few Pvp players happy when it gets most of the people upset.


Since everyone is giving me a hard time about my spelling. English is not my native language. I do not and will not spell check every word to make YOU HAPPY. No matter what the 50 people that play in Fel are never happy and want to force there rule sets on everyone when they can just kill each other. Problem is they can not kill each other the the weaker ones always need to gank an unarmed blue. I guess you are just cool because it takes 3 or 4 of you to kill 1 unarmed blue.

I like the post about closing a few shards and make 2 one complete tram only and 1 fel only. But that will never happen.

 

[Beefcake101]

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For Fel.
remove insurance and blessings from all items except jewelry
Change chivalry to draw gold from the players backpack.
Fels population will likely remain the same


For Trammel
Leave as is

I agree about no insurance in fel but why leave out jewelry? Make it to where in Fel you have no choice no insurance at all and nothing blessed. If you want more challenge. I bet there is not 1 person in fel that has item insurance clicked off. (not 1).

Give us the same things that fel has so we have no reason at all for going there. Do not force us to go there. We should not be forced to pvp to improve your chars. I have no problem buying the scrolls at a reasonable price but the prices are just stupid. Worse when it was stolen form you to begin with.

I will say again, it is not fun for 4 people to work a spawn and get raided when there is 2 or 3 minutes left to it. Then you go to luna and see a scroll you need for 16 million or so. How will you ever advance your chars to get it?

 

[MalagAste]

I like Fel when I visit Fel...... I enjoy PvP...... when it's PvP not PvPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP..... Or PPPvPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP...... this is no fun..... this is not player vs player.... it's execution..... by whatever means.... I can't see were being on a gank squad is "fun".... or enjoyable.... do you get one hit off on the target before he dies..... ?? Was it worth getting all dressed up for???? NO..... I don't like being on either side of a gank.... I do enjoy PvP..... I even Like PPPvPPP..... even odds..... good team fights..... guild on guild ..... whatever.... Another thing I DO NOT enjoy is all the hacking, cheating and scripting that go on..... Not possible to have PvP when you have someone using cheats and hacks so they can be 10 times a fast as normal, run through trees and any other obstacles with ease.... and cast on the fly no pause....

Until there is some sort of solution for all the rampant cheating that occurs in Fel it's either go out and get the same hacks and cheats or just forget finding a fair fight in Fel....

Also Fel rules are just fine when your on a character capable of defending.... but you can't just stomp someone who's being a punk if you try it's not likely you'll win.... at least not unless your running all the latest hacks and cheats... and I'm not willing to do that.

I'd prefer to get rid of Fel all together and put in a consensual PvP ruleset to all the facets.... where guild wars, and consensual PvP are everywhere.... Yes that would mean that in order for you to be a murderous scum you'd have to ask first..... not just jump and gank.... And further updates and upgrades to factions were implemented.... But that's just my opinion.....

 

[rwek]

This guys post has no use except for free post counts.



Don't come to fel, simple. Don't think that seige is classic server rules, its not.


This game was created, and intended to have pvp. YOU crying and your quitting friends, have molded it into something else.

 

[Green Meanie]

I shouldnt Have to go to tram to improve my char but with over half the new content released always being tram rules only you have no choice but to fight them gimp ganker only challanging becouse they can hit you in 1 hit and have no itellegence monsters.

If thats what you find entertaining then by all means go enjoy it and i will gladly sell / trade you my scrols for your HOM AOF Inquis whatever else it is i may need.

And if your going to say that items arent improving your char im going to luagh at you

 

[ShaunOfPac]

They deleted my post calling BeefCake an idiot.

I don't know WHERE you have been for those 122 months, but when Garriot left, the game all went to the trammies. Ever since the release of UO:R, Dev's haven't done SH|T for PvP.

 

[GarthGrey]

Hey Jethro, I stopped reading as soon as I saw "I been having my account for 122 months". That book learnin really pays off don't it? Work on your gozintas next will ya?

 

[ATLPvPer]

Okay.
The fact that you can come up with four THINGS that cater mostly to the Felucian side, while I on the other hand, can come up with four EXPANSIONS that cater mostly the trammel side completely shows how off base your argument is.

 

[Lyconis]

Most of what's being said in here sounds like a lot of greed and desire for instant gratification.

I enjoy pvp and pvm and just about anything you can find in this game.

The ideals in this game have been abused by much of the greed and desire for instant gratification in this game by the blantant cheating and downloaded scripts. Its a shame you cannot cure the human nature of greed.

Even if you do Felucca champ spawns its still hard to get a 120 magery scroll. I kill most players at a champ spawn I'm at as most blues outside of a pvp guild are scouts for a pvp guild.

 

[FionanPac]

I don't believe there is a reason to even have these types of threads all the time. You are always going to have the two sides of this issue at war. The game is what it is today, the past is gone and who knows what will happen in the future. This was caused partially by the excessive complaining from both sides. But I believe the real reason that UO has turned into this cluster **** that it is today, is simply that EA/OSI didn't have the balls and foresight in the beginning to set a clear vision of where they wanted the game to go. With a clear vision and set boundaries from the start they would never have run into the problems they encounter today. Instead they decided to listen to whichever side was the loudest whiner, which has resulted in them getting stuck in this never ending seesaw battle. The way I see it is, if you like the game play it, if you don't like the game quit, and if you are addicted to this video game you need to get some therapy because what is going to happen when it finally dies.