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- Thread starter J0KING
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Doireann
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Truthfully, on Atlantic I could tell the EM's had learned from Casca. She would pause when someone would start spamming, giving those of us trying to put people on ignore time to do so. Sadly, one person started spamming to squelsh another to the point where she was writing over the em. What makes it sad is, the intent was there, but now that person is on my ignore list. :/
On a brighter note, I do love that Atl is taking a whole week so those who had to work, or whatever still can participate. And as long as you figure it out, you'll get a prize in the end. *gives a huge thank you to Nox again for the hint*
On a brighter note, I do love that Atl is taking a whole week so those who had to work, or whatever still can participate. And as long as you figure it out, you'll get a prize in the end. *gives a huge thank you to Nox again for the hint*
Heading back to the OP I think there are many things that the EM's can do to make these events much better. As regards to rewards, I go back to what I posted above:
Rewards:
* To my mind these events should be an 'all or nothing' thing, NO rewards AT ALL, to anyone, or give all participants a 'token memento reward' along with the 'winner' prizes.
*Where any 'reward' is intended to be issued, I think that all people who participate should at least be given a 'token' offer to show they have participated as a memento of the event. Something simple such as book, goblet, sash or 'whatever' (in this case a 'heart' would have been fitting), with: "I participated in the Valentines Day Event 2009" given to any who attend, the same token item across all shards, so they are not 'rare', including one to those who may win the event and the other rewards.
In addition: General Event Moderating
* I believe for any scheduled event at least 1 GM should be present, hidden or not, 2 on the larger shards, and anyone found to be spamming, disrupting and being rude to either the EMs or other players, should be sent immediately to jail, the offending jnl should be examined and if there is no doubt that that individual was obviously trying to be disruptive a minimum of a 48 hr ban to the account should be given.
* the EMs should always be positioned so that they are out of the 'throng' in a clearly visible area, trying to find an EM in the mob is silly and very frustrating.
*where there are a lot of instructions to be given out the mob should be squelched.
* where there is a 'timeframe' for completion it should be stated clearly.
* where it is 'race' type event, and is completed after 'x' amount of players are back then a public broadcast should be made advising ALL participants that the event has been 'solved' and to return for the awards etc, if people then wish to continue with the event for the rp/challenge then it is up to them.
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From what I have read this round of events are all different depending on the shard. The event on Oceania was basically go to a place, answer a question written on a scroll, then figure out the next location as hinted at in a book and get the next question there etc. Once you had all the questions and answers write them in a book and return. Seems like GL had some kind of a fashion contest?
Based on these two types of events my feedback is:
Firstly, events that require a deep knowledge of the game, the question/answer type things are ONLY catering to vets which is exclusionary. Questions such as: 'what is the name of the heart shaped clearing se of Yew' etc basically rule out probably 50% of players from having a shot, same as questions referring to the inscription on Gwenno's memorial located sw of Valor gate Ilsh past the lichs. Only vets would have an idea of where and what the 'clue' was referring to, same as 'where is the candle of love' etc.
This type of thing is fine if it is duration event, ie run over a week or so then meet to hand in so that the non-vets have time to actually figure some of it out. It can be made as hard/tricky as you like if time is given to complete it. By making it a 'race' to be done in less than an hour, you rule out participation by anyone who is not exceedingly familiar with past events, past story arcs, the whole UO land mass and basically all new players of less than 12mths.
Events should be planned to cater for the majority, and the first question put forward when planning should be 'does this event cater to all players including new players, vets, casual players? etc. If the answer is no, or that you would have to have been playing for a long time to know the answers then that event should be either given a long time frame or not run at all.
Events that cater to the MAJORITY are things such as:
'Simon says' type games, obstacle courses, guessing competitions, gathering items (not obscure things), team events where the teams are randomly picked by the EM, killing and looting 'special' light spawn to collect items either individually or in teams (ie mass skeletons kill and collect, the first 'team' to get 2000 special bones [expiry timer on them]), memory tests, treasure hunts in 'easy' dungeons, word games in fixed locations etc
These type of events are able to be run in a short timeframe, cater to the majority and level the playing field for all participants. They are designed to 'Include' the majority. They can be made with varying difficulty levels based on the individuals skill rather than their UO longevity. They are 'measurable' in terms of who 'wins' rather than subjective such as a 'fashion competition' would be. How this type of thing was 'judged' is completely subjective and cannot be 'measured' which leaves the EM's open to accusations of bias, favoritism etc. Not good for the EM's nor the players, especially if 'rewards' worth millions are given out.
Footnote:
I think the EM(s) on Oceania did a great job, the questions and clues were really well structured, my only criticism is as above in that that 'type' of event was basically exclusionary to anyone not a vet. For a short duration (ie 1-2 hr event) it would have been better to run something that catered to all players not just vets. My issues with rewards are UO wide and not based on any one shard.
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J0KING
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The original concept behind this thread was not meant to be a "I didn't get this or that" fest... actually requested that we try to stay on track and avoid the airing of the grievances... but it happens...
If you filter through the thread there are actually some good ideas in here... which was intended... I think it is great that the EMs are back and the only way things can improve is if we have a way to provide feedback/make suggestions about the events...
While this thread did drift off topic, and I am guilty of going off topic myself, a lot of it shows some of the problems with the events and in a way is feedback itself. One of the problems as clearly seen in this thread is greed. People desiring the valuable items instead of just enjoying the event.
A good idea for rewards would be something simple, nothing priceless and "uber"
Simple clothing that says something like *name of player did event* or *1rst place in event (name of player)*
Nothing that really holds a market value.
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Katlene
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Totally agree MissE
Im so sad for the group of us that were all helping each other get answers.
When we got back they had already started the spell with out us and not even a global to say we were running out of time or anything. Was so dissapointing.
Great content, poorly organised.
And to everyone else, now after seeing what pet said you get a small glimpse of what oceanians have to put up with and why there are less players these days. There are more like him and a couple much worse.
Im so sad for the group of us that were all helping each other get answers.
When we got back they had already started the spell with out us and not even a global to say we were running out of time or anything. Was so dissapointing.
Great content, poorly organised.
And to everyone else, now after seeing what pet said you get a small glimpse of what oceanians have to put up with and why there are less players these days. There are more like him and a couple much worse.
I don't play GL (I showed upto there event though). But I'm glad that GL has some players like me, i.e real UO players, not the carebears who can't handle griefing and created trammel.
Actually here is how it went down:
I did 90% of the things and they helped me where I needed it (e.g went down to covetous to see what the dragon was called). I got the answers. I handed them in and told them the answers. We then brought down several accounts and reaped more rewards.
See that's an item I would be happy about getting (even though 200 DI is useless).
Petrify: I don't think you are any more greedy than the majority of the players. Very few players would be happy with an EM who never gave out rewards but only provided an interesting storyline and some entertainment. It's the nature of the game and the crowd that plays it (for the most part).
For those of you poo-pooing him maybe get off your high horses and look around at what today's playerbase consists of. It's an ITEM based game, and a lot of success at pvp and being able to master champ spawns quickly or whatever you kids do these days is based on the types of ITEMS you have.
EMs *are* sometimes clueless about the rewards they give, it has nothing to do with player bias. Just look at those sashes given out on Baja a few years ago by the EM, they were hugely overpowered and the EM had to scale back rewards after that. That same EM is a dev now (I hope they know a bit more about item properties and balance now).
A lot of the EMs are RPers, not pvpers. So their idea of what is a good weapon or armor is not going to be inline with what someone who has more of an understanding of those items would be, which is going to account for deviations. Sometimes they will whip out accidentally godly items, sometimes they will give out something that is little better than deco, and sometimes they will give out actual deco to play it safe or just because they think an item would be neat to give out.
If you are really, really concerned that who you are is causing the EM to stiff you on rewards (an idea I find ludicrous but I suppose still within the realm of possibility) then you can always build a new character to do events, shmooze with the EM, and see if that doesn't make a difference.
For those of you poo-pooing him maybe get off your high horses and look around at what today's playerbase consists of. It's an ITEM based game, and a lot of success at pvp and being able to master champ spawns quickly or whatever you kids do these days is based on the types of ITEMS you have.
EMs *are* sometimes clueless about the rewards they give, it has nothing to do with player bias. Just look at those sashes given out on Baja a few years ago by the EM, they were hugely overpowered and the EM had to scale back rewards after that. That same EM is a dev now (I hope they know a bit more about item properties and balance now
). A lot of the EMs are RPers, not pvpers. So their idea of what is a good weapon or armor is not going to be inline with what someone who has more of an understanding of those items would be, which is going to account for deviations. Sometimes they will whip out accidentally godly items, sometimes they will give out something that is little better than deco, and sometimes they will give out actual deco to play it safe or just because they think an item would be neat to give out.
If you are really, really concerned that who you are is causing the EM to stiff you on rewards (an idea I find ludicrous but I suppose still within the realm of possibility) then you can always build a new character to do events, shmooze with the EM, and see if that doesn't make a difference.
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rwek
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All I can say is after reading this mess....
I'm glad Petrify is not happy, couldn't have happened to a more deserving player. In fact I hope you get even worse items next time you "win"
I'm glad Petrify is not happy, couldn't have happened to a more deserving player. In fact I hope you get even worse items next time you "win"
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RichDC
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I will say i was thoroughly disappointed in the GL event, i play from the U.K so apart from being tired and a lil drunk, i waited until 4am in the end to see an "event". instead we got told to recall here talk to someone, eventually get to where your going, wait about 30mins for something to happen (2monsters sapwned) try to cast but basically be unable due to lag, try to find the corpse(impossible). head back to brit and offer names to romeo or wait in line at juliet... ... ... that was it!!!
Then to top matters of we found out that the corpses of those 2 monsters where meant to hold some item to trade in but they were IMPOSSIBLE to find for the majority!!!
Poor event i did have high hopes, all spamming aside, with the sheer vastness of players present (funny no-one plays uo!!!) there needed imo to have more for players to do, best part of the event...
THAT DAD!!!
Then to top matters of we found out that the corpses of those 2 monsters where meant to hold some item to trade in but they were IMPOSSIBLE to find for the majority!!!
Poor event i did have high hopes, all spamming aside, with the sheer vastness of players present (funny no-one plays uo!!!) there needed imo to have more for players to do, best part of the event...
THAT DAD!!!
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GhostGL
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Only thing i wish is they'd of taken/given more rewards for vow suggestions. They only took one, after the people seen em give the white lantern as a reward, they went a little crazy and just kept spamming vows hoping theirs would get picked too. I was hoping to win one of those lanterns, but ah well.
I did go to the GL event and quite surprisingly got one of the lanterns. (Oh and before you ask it's NOT for sale and never will be..... I don't play for money) But I defiantly have NEVER in all my years of UO seen so much filth typed onto the screen at an event.... the things that were said there were defiantly horrible and offensive...... I was begging for mercy and some sort of squelch... I do hope at future events the EM is given SOME kind of power over such things....
I personally paged on at least 2 people who were spouting filth and using language that was offensive to say the least. I felt like I was in a 6th grade classroom as a student teacher with a bunch of class rejects.....
Besides the insane amount of spamming going on there was the filthy potty mouth language..... I agree that in future I'd rather see an event arc that sent you to various NPC's and then if you fullfilled all the requirements THEN you got a prize and everyone has a fair shake at a prize.... if they chose to do the event..... if need be you could always limit it to one time per character or account..... that would be fine but while the event had potential for fun it was clouded and fairly well ruined by the 6th grade drop outs who were in attendance.
Oh and lets not forget to mention that there were about 30 people there casting random gates everywhere so you couldn't move at all without accidentally happening through one...... which became extremely annoying after the 6th or 7th time.... And if you could actually see the gate you would avoid it but there were SO many people there and the lag was terrible that it was nearly impossible to even figure out where you were standing at all let alone how close you were to a gate or even if there was a gate open in all that mess.....
I personally paged on at least 2 people who were spouting filth and using language that was offensive to say the least. I felt like I was in a 6th grade classroom as a student teacher with a bunch of class rejects.....
Besides the insane amount of spamming going on there was the filthy potty mouth language..... I agree that in future I'd rather see an event arc that sent you to various NPC's and then if you fullfilled all the requirements THEN you got a prize and everyone has a fair shake at a prize.... if they chose to do the event..... if need be you could always limit it to one time per character or account..... that would be fine but while the event had potential for fun it was clouded and fairly well ruined by the 6th grade drop outs who were in attendance.
Oh and lets not forget to mention that there were about 30 people there casting random gates everywhere so you couldn't move at all without accidentally happening through one...... which became extremely annoying after the 6th or 7th time.... And if you could actually see the gate you would avoid it but there were SO many people there and the lag was terrible that it was nearly impossible to even figure out where you were standing at all let alone how close you were to a gate or even if there was a gate open in all that mess.....
How do you claim to get screwed when you admittedly win 95% of the events, I must agree with other posters you are a spoiled cry baby because you do not get what you feel is a multi million coin item.
You were teh one who were crying about it being a exploited half apron coco puff, must be your in char name on great lakes, was deemed legal a few years back by Wilki himself. Go cry on ociana and stop trying to win events on other shards, you are the type who ruined the scavenger hunts that gave out the roses last year, by winning on other shards than your own
From my experience, it's 90% decent people and 10% obnoxious, spoiled brats. I'll let you categorize individuals.
I dunno if it has changed, but players on europa and drac seem to be far more polite at events than north american shard players (except for Baja, very polite people there!From my experience, it's 90% decent people and 10% obnoxious, spoiled brats. I'll let you categorize individuals.
) Siege was pretty good as well. Might be worth it to attend events on a different shard if you aren't happy about the player population on your own shard.