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Coldren

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Think you love me now??

Here are some pics of my setup...my downstairs setup (no, not porn!)



well...this one isn't my A/V setup...but it's still cool...



Life is good!
Sweet setup, Morgana. I think I have the same Samsung family line, only mine is 42 inch.. or is it 39? We also have a 32 of the same Samsung in our bedroom.

We don't own a house, but we're geeks, so that's secondary to nice LCD's. :D
 
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Morgana LeFay (PoV)

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Sweet Z Morgana! :)
I love it! I had the coupe before that in blood red. It was awesome too...but in 3 years when the lease is up...I want one of these...



or



Assuming Toyota doesn't drop the ball.
 

Setnaffa

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That's the real problem, isn't it? Liquid cooling systems cost almost as much as the difference in price between processors that will run at the desired speed.
Liquid Cooling is only required if you want to go WAY Overboard on your overclocking. The best Air Cooler out there right now is the ThermalRight True, and that will only run you around $45-$50. You can go up 30-40% with an air cooler.

Some of the new M/B's with the x58 chipset are coming with built-in water cooling. Those will be good for some serious over-overclockage :love:.
 

Maplestone

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What about noise? I would like my next system to be quieter and less susceptible to dust accumulation (despite my best efforts, it always tends to be the power supply fan that gives out on me first)
 
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What about noise? I would like my next system to be quieter and less susceptible to dust accumulation (despite my best efforts, it always tends to be the power supply fan that gives out on me first)
Well noise a lot of the time can be from the case itself, good silent cases are Antec but you can also go to your local car stereo shop and buy some Dynamat to stiffen up the cheap panels some cases have. As for dust accumulation you can also get cases that have mesh screens to help with that, but you still have to clean them out. Basically if you don't have dust then you don't have air flow which is worse then cleaning dust out. Another thing for noise is bigger fans, they tend to have slower speeds but move more air.
 
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What about noise? I would like my next system to be quieter and less susceptible to dust accumulation (despite my best efforts, it always tends to be the power supply fan that gives out on me first)
Noise is often the result of bad fans.

A lot of times its the CPU or Video Card fan.

Not much you can do besides replace them, but if you feel especially annoyed by the rattle, just take them apart and WD-40 the barrings, and use a can of compressed air and get rid of any dust bunnies.

It can also be a bad fit in the case itself rattling.

My current main desktop is quieter than a mouse.

I cannot say the same for the pancake downstairs. It rattles to no end no matter what I do. I think its the power supply, because that is the only thing I haven't tried.
 
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Noise is often the result of bad fans.

A lot of times its the CPU or Video Card fan.

Not much you can do besides replace them, but if you feel especially annoyed by the rattle, just take them apart and WD-40 the barrings, and use a can of compressed air and get rid of any dust bunnies.

It can also be a bad fit in the case itself rattling.

My current main desktop is quieter than a mouse.

I cannot say the same for the pancake downstairs. It rattles to no end no matter what I do. I think its the power supply, because that is the only thing I haven't tried.
You should never use WD-40 for lubricating bearings, its a penetrating oil and a solvent, if anything it will make it wear out even faster. You are better off getting an eye dropper and some vegetable oil from the kitchen that or look for silicon base lubricating oil spray.
 
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Morgana LeFay (PoV)

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You should never use WD-40 for lubricating bearings, its a penetrating oil and a solvent, if anything it will make it wear out even faster. You are better off getting an eye dropper and some vegetable oil from the kitchen that or look for silicon base lubricating oil spray.
Good to know! Thanks!

I have always used either WD-40, and so far so good.

A friend suggested transmission fluid...any thoughts?

(also, I totally mis-spelled bearings...didn't I?) :0
 

Harlequin

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Liquid Cooling is only required if you want to go WAY Overboard on your overclocking. The best Air Cooler out there right now is the ThermalRight True, and that will only run you around $45-$50. You can go up 30-40% with an air cooler.

Some of the new M/B's with the x58 chipset are coming with built-in water cooling. Those will be good for some serious over-overclockage :love:.
Although extremely cool (in both sense of the word) and effective, if you don't overclock (or at least not by too much), liquid cooling is not required. Even extra fans are also not required. The default heatsink and air-cooled fan that comes with the core 2s are pretty sufficient. Just put it on top of your desk or somewhere to ensure it can get enough airflow.

I prefer Intel CPUs over AMD because they run alot cooler. They also "step down" gracefully when overheating as opposed to an abrupt total power cut off. The Intel CPU's lower power consumption plus not requiring even more power from extra cooling systems is a big plus for me. Longer lifespan for the system (CPU, PS, mobo, even electrical bill) and my wallet.

On PCs, people might not realize how much hotter they are. But one entire rack of the servers I manage are AMD based (they are alot cheaper :D). Trust me, they run ALOT hotter than the Intels, requiring turning up the cooling from the server farm's chillers. In fact, when I am in the server farm for too long and it gets really cold, I will run behind the AMD servers and use them as heaters.

Granted, the models we have are housed in 1 U chasis which doesn't have alot of room for airflow. But ultimately I have to split them between a couple of racks that are several rows apart to allow the heat to bleed better.

So the money saved on the initial investment has since been overshadowed by the increase in the electrical bills...I'm not happy, but the electrical bill doesn't come under the IT budget...such is corporate life...

Back to PCs. Now we come to the GPU. The graphics card processors nowadays burn hotter than the CPU. Mainly because the GPU fan is normally a really tiny affair. If you want to upgrade cooling, this is the prime candidate. Esp if you run Crossfire or SLI configurations. Otherwise, as before, leave the casing somewhere to ensure it gets enough airflow.
 

Harlequin

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Awesome. Thanks for the links, Nok! Time to upgrade my n52te it seems. :D

I'm off to sell blood.. if they're still buyin'.
I think blood banks have stopped buying blood... :D

Edited: Removed content unsuitable for children. Don't want to get the thread locked, heh
 
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Wow, no wonder there are people who can actually play KR. Your systems are sweet. I cant wait to be done with college and get a real job.
Actually I can run KR well on my rig and it's about 5-6 years old. :eek:

One day I'll get around to building another..
 

Coldren

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[Edited] Something you will never see.. my genius wasted.. OH THE HUMANITY!! .. not really. [/Edited]

Incidentally, I have a Geforce GTX 260. I think when I bought it, it was the most expensive part of the machine. I've found that since I don't play many graphic intensive games, I think almost anything would have done the trick. I like Nvidia for the driver support. I've never had an issue with them, and I've used nothing but Nvidia since the original GeForce.

Just a personal opinion, but when I'm buying, I tend to think about the future. What offers the most upgrade potential (Strike out Dell, in most cases), what is likely to meet my gaming or other computer-based needs, what can I afford now that I might not be able to afford later, etc. You may spend a bit more now, but in 4 years, when your system can still run (even if barely) just about anything, you'll be glad your did. My last system I bought when I got out of college. I upgraded the graphics to a Geforce 6600 about 3-4 years ago (AGP 4x! BOOM SHACKA LACKA!), and it ran KR with no problem. Granted, my new one is smoking, but I didn't really *Need* it persay. But I am a wanna-be geek at heart. :)
 

Harlequin

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built this on cyberpower... its pretty nice.. and price is $974.00

im a try a few others yet though i think... is this compatible? seems to be unless i missed something. i used there "build a system" option....

CASE: ($25 off Mail-in Rebate) New! Apevia X-Jupiter Full Tower Gaming Server w/ Temp Display and Fan Control 420 Watt Power (G Type Blue Color with Side-Window)
Neon Light Upgrade: 12in COLD CATHODE NEON LIGHT (BLUE COLOR)
Extra Case Fan Upgrade: Default case fans
POWER SUPPLY Upgrade: 800 Watts Power Supplies (CyberPowerPC XF800S Performance ATX 2.0 Power - Quad SLI Ready)
CPU: (Sckt775)Intel® Core™ 2 Duo E8500 CPU @ 3.16GHz 1333FSB 6MB L2 Cache 64-bit
COOLING FAN : INTEL LGA775 CERTIFIED CPU FAN & HEATSINK
MOTHERBOARD: Asus P5GC Intel 945GC Chipset LGA775 FSB1333 DDR2 Mainboard FSB1333 DDR2 6 PCI Slots SATA RAID w/ PCIe GbLAN, USB2.0, IEEE1394, & 5.1Audio
MEMORY: 8GB (4x2GB) PC6400 DDR2/800 Dual Channel Memory (Corsair or Major Brand)
VIDEO CARD: NVIDIA GeForce 9400 GT 1GB 16X PCI Express (Major Brand Powered by NVIDIA)
VIDEO CARD 2: NONE(might get another card eventually..)
MULTIPLE VIDEO CARD SETTINGS: Xtreme Performance in SLI/CrossFireX Gaming Mode Supports Single Monitor
HARD DRIVE: Single Hard Drive (500GB SATA-II 3.0Gb/s 16MB Cache 7200RPM HDD)
Optical Drive: (Special Price) LG 20X DVD±R/±RW + CD-R/RW DRIVE DUAL LAYER (BLACK COLOR)
SOUND: 3D WAVE ON-BOARD 5.1 SOUND CARD
NETWORK: Intel Pro Gigabite 10/100/1000 Network Card
Flash Media Reader/Writer: INTERNAL 12in1 Flash Media Reader/Writer (BLACK COLOR)
USB PORT: Built-in USB 2.0 Ports
FLOPPY: NONE
OS: Microsoft® Windows Vista™ Home Premium w/ Service Pack 1 (64-bit Edition)
SERVICE: STANDARD WARRANTY: 3-YEAR LIMITED WARRANTY PLUS LIFE-TIME TECHNICAL SUPPORT
Very good choices on the core 2 duo and ram (fastest ddr2 out there. ddr3 is faster, but alot more expensive).

I would suggest downgrading the P/S from 800 to a 600. 600 is more than enough for the near future (3 years). Considering that they are concentrating on making chips more power efficient.

Then use the cost savings to bump up the graphics card to a 9800 (9400 is their low end model, and it's only about 40% cheaper than the 9800). The 9400 will be alot less likely to last you the same 3 years of new games that constantly pushes GPUs to their limits :)

Of course, if you just want a cheap card to use in the interim while waiting for better cards to come along, that's a different story. Swapping out a graphics card is definitely a lot easier than swapping a power supply.

Now comes the major problem:
Asus is a very good choice, but I have no idea why the P5G series is still available for you to choose from. It's an old board that was released when the Core 2 technology was still emerging I think. Also, it only supports DDR2 speeds up to 667mhz, choking back the 1200mhz from your PC6400 DDR2.

The mobo is the one thing you should not skimp on. It's a pain to swap :D

I again, recommend the P5Q. Even the basic model comes with RAID, GBit Lan and 5+1 sound. Pick your choice of the P5Q and its variants:
http://www.asus.com/search.aspx?searchitem=1&searchkey=p5q

For your reference, here's the P5G
http://www.asus.com/search.aspx?searchitem=1&searchkey=p5g
 

Harlequin

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..... SOOO many ways that joke could go.... Something about free, or maybe something about discounts or...

Nah. I better not, lest I bring down the wrath of a Mod, if even the insinuation of said jokes hasn't already. :)
Whoops...don't want the post locked, have edited the orig post :p

Pst...Coldren, could you kindly update the quoted part? :D
 

Ailish

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Try www.dell.com. Their XPS consumer systems aren't too bad and you'll get your money's worth (plus a full warranty and support) for a grand.

I'm sure HP and Gateway have something like that too, but I've always stuck with Dell for my pre-built systems and I've always been very satisfied.
I strongly suggest AGAINST Dell. HP, Gateway, E-machine are all upgradeable with other bits and parts. Dells ARE NOT. My niece burnt a hole in her motherboard ... whole system went in the trash can after we opened it and realized you CANNOT just go get another one - stuff is "hardwired" and just flat not compatable. We could not even salvage the hard drive or memory out of it, both of which were perfectly good. I cannot say enough to not go this route for a gaming system that you may wish to upgrade along the way.
 

Harlequin

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Done and Done. Now you have to edit the quote in the post stating what you edited in the quote.. Ok.. I think that makes sense. :D
Yup, makes perfect sense to me :D

Done. Hopes sixunder didn't run out to buy the mobo before reading my comments :p
 

Setnaffa

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I strongly suggest AGAINST Dell. HP, Gateway, E-machine are all upgradeable with other bits and parts. Dells ARE NOT. My niece burnt a hole in her motherboard ... whole system went in the trash can after we opened it and realized you CANNOT just go get another one - stuff is "hardwired" and just flat not compatable. We could not even salvage the hard drive or memory out of it, both of which were perfectly good. I cannot say enough to not go this route for a gaming system that you may wish to upgrade along the way.
There will always be someone who has a bad experience with a vendor. If your niece's system was still under warranty, Dell would have sent someone to her house or place of business and fixed it for free.

I upgraded the M/B in my mom's old Dell Last year. Dell has their original Motherboards manufactured for them, but most of their regular Dimension (their consumer line) cases will take any ATX Motherboard. The Small Form Factor and Ultra Small Form Facter cases will not take a standard motherboard. They also have proprietary smotherboard layout done for Workstations (Precision line) and some of their high-end gaming rigs. Also, Alienware is a Dell product line now and everything is industry standard in them.
 
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Morgana LeFay (PoV)

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I don't personally recommend Alienware.

They are overpriced. You can build the same system for much less yourself, and have more control over what you get.
 
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Smokin

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Good to know! Thanks!

I have always used either WD-40, and so far so good.

A friend suggested transmission fluid...any thoughts?

(also, I totally mis-spelled bearings...didn't I?) :0
You could use transmission fluid it is a lubricant, just with automotive oils you have to watch out for additives such as detergents and what not, personally I would rather take it all apart and use grease. But they are made to not be taken apart. If it gets really bad just replace the fan or the power supply. Only thing when replacing a fan on a power supply always make sure you unplug the computer then try turning it on a few times to discharge the capacitors.

Honestly vegetable oil is the cheapest way and it works plus when it heats up you can smell french fries.

Oh and if anyone ever suggest brake fluid, then they are nuts it is a mild corrosive. Good if you want to eat paint off of something, just don't get it on your pretty little car there.
 
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Morgana LeFay (PoV)

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Oh and if anyone ever suggest brake fluid, then they are nuts it is a mild corrosive. Good if you want to eat paint off of something, just don't get it on your pretty little car there.
Yeah...

...I learned this one back in college. I had an old Mazda RX-7...I loved that car...and it had a problem with using brake fluid. So I added some. But I stupidly took the cap off and put on the top of the car. This left a really nice ring with no paint on the top of my car!!

I am not even a blond!!! :D
 
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Smokin

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Yeah...

...I learned this one back in college. I had an old Mazda RX-7...I loved that car...and it had a problem with using brake fluid. So I added some. But I stupidly took the cap off and put on the top of the car. This left a really nice ring with no paint on the top of my car!!

I am not even a blond!!! :D
Oh my friends blond ex gf knew about that also and poured it all over his car at night, well atleast that is the rumour. Either way his car did not look too good in the morning.
 
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Morgana LeFay (PoV)

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Oh my friends blond ex gf knew about that also and poured it all over his car at night, well atleast that is the rumour. Either way his car did not look too good in the morning.
That's like 10 kinds of wrong!
 

ColterDC

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Another Techy question;

So I'm sick of switching keyboards when using my 2 computers. Is there some way to use 1 keyboard to control 2 different computers? Maybe a switch or something?
 
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Another Techy question;

So I'm sick of switching keyboards when using my 2 computers. Is there some way to use 1 keyboard to control 2 different computers? Maybe a switch or something?
As stated, KVM switch might be useful. They can be set up to use the same monitor, keyboard and mouse for multiple computers. If you already have 2 monitors, I believe you could only attach the mouse and keyboard to the KVM switch. On the couple that I have used, you would hit scroll lock twice, I believe, to switch control from one computer to the next.
 

ColterDC

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As much as I may miss the skill I've developed of typing on 2 keyboards at the same time......I think I will just go pick up one of those switches and make my life slightly easier.

Thanks for the 411 :)
 

Diomedes Artega

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iv posted this on a few sites since most people know me alot of places...
wanting to upgrade my gaming pc, figured this is good as place as any to ask what peeps think is the best..

so far this is what im thinking of getting.. well its where i am starting out..

900-GE2 Intel Gaming Computer - Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600, 4GB DDR2-667, 500GB SATA II, NVIDIA 610i Chipset Mobo, DVDRW , 420W, Vista Home Premium (64-bit)
again this is just roundabouts..

if someone was gonna build one right now, what would ya have in it top to bottom?

i dont wanna spend over a grand but iono could spend more..what does everyone recommend? is there a elite but lower priced 1 GB video card out there? quad or dual core? hows vista never had it? any ideas would be appreciated.

thanks
sixer

oh ya these cases are pretty kool too.. im speaking of putting it in one of these cases unless i find something better..


Just some comments about the Windows 64 bit. You trade compatibility for maximum security. Luckily it seems you know some stuff about computers, but for those that don't it is a sticky proposition.

Not saying you will have to format your hard drive ever, but one of the first things that has to be done is getting the modem/internet device to recognize again. And well...with how good Windows is *sarcasm*... you will be stuck paying the premium price for mess ups. Unaffiliated or known as not signed drivers can't be used and unfortunately/fortunately or what have you...those are the best and easiest way of getting the internet device to recognize again.

That goes for pretty much any program that won't come installed with Windows that you will need support for.

Me personally, I like the 32 bit. Common sense and a good firewall do good enough against computer attacks. I don't need an operating system to do that for me.

Additionally is why I use the apple products. You can use bootcamp and partition the hard drive as needed for "Windows Based" products.
 

Setnaffa

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As stated, KVM switch might be useful. They can be set up to use the same monitor, keyboard and mouse for multiple computers. If you already have 2 monitors, I believe you could only attach the mouse and keyboard to the KVM switch. On the couple that I have used, you would hit scroll lock twice, I believe, to switch control from one computer to the next.
Actually IOGear makes one where you can share 2 monitors... http://www.iogear.com/product/GCS1744/

It's not cheap, but it's cheaper and more convenient that buying more monitors.
 

NuSair

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I don't know if I should be flattered or insulted.

I am a network admin IRL...so yeah, I know what I am talking about. I guess I did "read it somewhere" when I was studying for my MCSE exams :)

But no, I built my machine myself.
None of the MCSE test have anything to do with building desktop computers.
 

NuSair

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Just some comments about the Windows 64 bit. You trade compatibility for maximum security. Luckily it seems you know some stuff about computers, but for those that don't it is a sticky proposition.

Not saying you will have to format your hard drive ever, but one of the first things that has to be done is getting the modem/internet device to recognize again. And well...with how good Windows is *sarcasm*... you will be stuck paying the premium price for mess ups. Unaffiliated or known as not signed drivers can't be used and unfortunately/fortunately or what have you...those are the best and easiest way of getting the internet device to recognize again.

That goes for pretty much any program that won't come installed with Windows that you will need support for.

Me personally, I like the 32 bit. Common sense and a good firewall do good enough against computer attacks. I don't need an operating system to do that for me.

Additionally is why I use the apple products. You can use bootcamp and partition the hard drive as needed for "Windows Based" products.
Really? And what security is that? 64 bit is far and away more secure than 32 bit.

I use Mac's and PC's on a daily basis, and Windows Ultimate 64 Bit is superior to any Mac OS.

The only thing I feel Mac's are superior at is the MacBook Pro, which is one of, if not the best laptop on the market. Is overpriced for it's performance.
 
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None of the MCSE test have anything to do with building desktop CPU's.
That's true.

But they did have to do with configuring RAID arrays, and setting up networks and such.
 
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T_Amon_from_work

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Home-brew for under $800:

Case - CoolerMaster CN-690 (600w PS)
Mobo - Asus M3A78-EM
CPU - AMD Athlon 64 X2 5200+ (2.6ghz dual-core)
Heatsink/fan - AMD off-the-shelf (socket 734, 939 and AM2 compatible)
RAM - G.Skill 2x2GB (4GB total) DDR2-800
Video - Sapphire Radeon 100253L (512MB) PCi Express x16
Monitor - Viewsonic V1940w 19" LCD widescreen
Optical - LiteOn CD/RW & DVD/RW combo drive (IDE)

Used from prior system:
Drive - WD Caviar 320 GB PATA (aka IDE) - converted to use SATA channel using a Vantec converter setup.
Keyboard - Logitech G-15 Gaming Keyboard

Oper. System - Windows XP Pro/SP2

Nice and stable system. Three case fans with room for 5 more (90-120mm in size), 8 USB ports with 2 on case top, 2 Firewire (IEEE 1394), 6 SATA channels and one e-SATA on case top, HD or standard audio and video possible. Lots of internal room and drive bays to support hot-swap RAID usage.

NOTE: The CPU alone draws 65w of power so you've gotta have plenty to spare. Asus has a power calculator that can give you a rough idea of needs. Use the SUPPORT link to get to it. Above system specs out at 400 watts usage of the 600 I have available to me.
 
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<laughs> Yup. See my response down below ... got all the new stuff I list for under $800 including shipping. Special deals @ newEgg made shopping easy.
 

NuSair

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That's true.

But they did have to do with configuring RAID arrays, and setting up networks and such.
Yeah, I would say 'networks and such' considering that 4 of the test are specifically on networking. Design, implementation and architecture.

Security was the only one I failed and I ended up taking it twice.
 

NuSair

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For most gaming you can find a 'bare bones' system from Tiger direct that will handle most of your needs.

Also, if you (or someone you know) is a student, you can get Microsoft Office 2007 Ultimate, Vista 64-bit Ultimate for REALLY cheap.
www.theultimatesteal.com

It's a legit website, run my microsoft. It goes along with their dreamspark program.
www.dreamspark.com

Professional Developer and Designer tools for students at no charge:
Game Studio 3.0, Visual Studio 2008, Server 2008, SQL Server, Expression Studio 2, Visual Studio 2005, Server 2003 and others.. (including Virtual PC which rocks!)
 

Setnaffa

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Just some comments about the Windows 64 bit. You trade compatibility for maximum security. Luckily it seems you know some stuff about computers, but for those that don't it is a sticky proposition.

Not saying you will have to format your hard drive ever, but one of the first things that has to be done is getting the modem/internet device to recognize again. And well...with how good Windows is *sarcasm*... you will be stuck paying the premium price for mess ups. Unaffiliated or known as not signed drivers can't be used and unfortunately/fortunately or what have you...those are the best and easiest way of getting the internet device to recognize again.

That goes for pretty much any program that won't come installed with Windows that you will need support for.

Me personally, I like the 32 bit. Common sense and a good firewall do good enough against computer attacks. I don't need an operating system to do that for me.

Additionally is why I use the apple products. You can use bootcamp and partition the hard drive as needed for "Windows Based" products.
64-bit Windows makes no difference in terms of security over 32-bit Windows. It does make a difference when building your own system (as compared to buying a prebuilt system) since you will need to make sure your Motherboard, Audio, Video, NIC, etc. all have 64-bit drivers. Not to worry though; I haven't run into any newer devices that didn't include the 64-bit driver in at least 2 years now.

The main limitation of 32-bit Windows is memory. I'm finding 8GB to be the sweet spot right now, and 32-bit Windows usually recognizes less than 4GB of memory.

I don't understand why I would want to buy a Mac to run Windows. I'd end up paying more for lower-performance hardware, and I'd still have to pay $300 for the Windows License. Apple put on a good marketing campaign to try and fool people into buying Mac's to run Windows, but the simple reality is Mac's are overpriced and most software will only run on them when Windows is installed.
 

ColterDC

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As stated, KVM switch might be useful. They can be set up to use the same monitor, keyboard and mouse for multiple computers. If you already have 2 monitors, I believe you could only attach the mouse and keyboard to the KVM switch. On the couple that I have used, you would hit scroll lock twice, I believe, to switch control from one computer to the next.
Actually IOGear makes one where you can share 2 monitors... http://www.iogear.com/product/GCS1744/

It's not cheap, but it's cheaper and more convenient that buying more monitors.
Yeah, I ended up buying the 2 port version.
 

Diomedes Artega

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Really? And what security is that? 64 bit is far and away more secure than 32 bit.

I use Mac's and PC's on a daily basis, and Windows Ultimate 64 Bit is superior to any Mac OS.

The only thing I feel Mac's are superior at is the MacBook Pro, which is one of, if not the best laptop on the market. Is overpriced for it's performance.
"One reason Windows and applications such as Internet Explorer are the target of more attacks is because for the attacker, they present a much larger attack surface than operating systems and applications that have a much lower market share. Although “security through obscurity” is held in disdain by most security pundits, it does work to the extent that more obscure targets attract statistically fewer attacks. Because 64 bit Windows is much less commonly deployed at this time than its 32 bit cousins, few malware authors have turned their attention to it. Of course, this advantage will fade as the 64 bit operating systems become more widely adopted."

This was in reference to a security article. The original article I cannot remember, unfortunately. I should have clarified though, yes you are correct. The Macbook Pro is what I was discussing.

However, all you have to do is look on the internet. There are verified online merchant stores that sell the systems on sale with no tax and free shipping included.

Other than that, I think you missed my point in terms of loading drivers. Unless you are a system administrator like I was, you won't have access to every piece of software that you will need. Inevitably, this means going to said website. And, if that website doesn't happen to be Microsoft, then good luck installing the driver.

Additionally, that's why I use Firefox. No offense but I never cared for Windows-based products and I've worked on plenty of them.
 

Diomedes Artega

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64-bit Windows makes no difference in terms of security over 32-bit Windows. It does make a difference when building your own system (as compared to buying a prebuilt system) since you will need to make sure your Motherboard, Audio, Video, NIC, etc. all have 64-bit drivers. Not to worry though; I haven't run into any newer devices that didn't include the 64-bit driver in at least 2 years now.

The main limitation of 32-bit Windows is memory. I'm finding 8GB to be the sweet spot right now, and 32-bit Windows usually recognizes less than 4GB of memory.

I don't understand why I would want to buy a Mac to run Windows. I'd end up paying more for lower-performance hardware, and I'd still have to pay $300 for the Windows License. Apple put on a good marketing campaign to try and fool people into buying Mac's to run Windows, but the simple reality is Mac's are overpriced and most software will only run on them when Windows is installed.
Right, I agree. A few good points as far as the memory and in terms of PC games. I guess my main point is that some people...NOT all of course, like to do what a neighbor of mine said.

"Oh yeah, I just let it take over."

Now, I guess if that mentality works for you then that's great. I myself prefer to carefully manage my PC. I don't "need" Window's updates and stuff that I have seen A LOT of people do when I worked in the computer field.

It just seems to me people need to be aware of what they are doing. To me, Apple, Windows, whatever...it really doesn't matter if you just let the computer manage itself.

That was just my point with the Windows 64 bit. Sure it is better in terms of its capabilities. You can read plenty of reviews about that. I don't want to be screened on what I am trying to do when associating hardware and what have you. Thanks anyways.
 
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That was just my point with the Windows 64 bit. Sure it is better in terms of its capabilities. You can read plenty of reviews about that. I don't want to be screened on what I am trying to do when associating hardware and what have you. Thanks anyways.
As long as the manufacturer of your hardware submits their drivers for validation, and they pass, the device...and the driver by default...are added to the DCL. So you shouldn't have problems...if you know your hardware was certified and that the driver is as well.

But you are correct. Using a 64 bit OS does require some adjustment. You cannot just grab any piece of hardware, throw it in, and load up whatever driver you have lying around like you can with 32 bit OSes.
 
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