[Archery] Help for a pvm archer

[Ivory Norwind]

i want to create an archer only for pvm. A good archer who can play solo. Also against Dragons, paragons and other mage monster.

The final template will be so:
120 archery
120 tactics
120 anatomy
120 ress spell
120 bushido
70 healing
65 chivalry

I use a rune beetle carapace, a ring of the vile, a spirit of the totem a crimson cinture and a jackal collar. My resistences are all 70.

Is it a good template? Can i heal me only with potions, 70 healing and 65 chiv?
It's better to drop bushido for raising 100 hiding and healing to 90?
There are the invisibility potions. So i've chose bushido instead of hiding.
Is it good?
Some suggestion?
Thanks

 

[Farsight]

Raise your healing to at least 90. If you only plan on fighting the monsters, you could do with less resisting spells or anatomy.

With 90 healing you get the following:
-No chance of failing healing.
-A good chance of ressurecting a passing ghost.
-A MUCH better chance of curing poisons than with only 70 healing.

Apart from that, you may want to look into buying fast bows with mana leeching properties. Without it, you'll constantly be out of mana.

 

[Ivory Norwind]

Raise your healing to at least 90. If you only plan on fighting the monsters, you could do with less resisting spells or anatomy.

With 90 healing you get the following:
-No chance of failing healing.
-A good chance of ressurecting a passing ghost.
-A MUCH better chance of curing poisons than with only 70 healing.

But don't help me also potions and chivalry?
I cant raise healing. I miss the necessary points because i dont want to drop ress spell to 100.
Bushido is a good skill? Or it's better hiding?

 

[Farsight]

Then drop anatomy to 100 or increase chivalry and drop healing entirely. At 70 healing, you'll fail exactly when you need to heal the most.

Besides, with the upcoming proposals (currently on test center), your heal potions will have a reduced effect over time. That definitely isn't good for your plan for healing yourself. And if you don't have a balanced bow (with mana leech, remember), you'll have to drop the bow to drink a potion. That's time away from attacking big things.

And for your second question: Bushido is MUCH better than hiding, even though you'll only use two bushido spells on a regular basis. Those spells are lightning strike for extra damage and confidence for additional healing powers. Remember the benifits of honor give extra damage as well. Hiding doesn't have much use at all for an archer unless you also have stealth, ninjitsu and want to kill other players.

But you definitely need one of two things:
Healing at 90 or higher AND chivalry at 65 or higher (I have 80)
-or-
Chivalry at 90 or higher AND 3-4 points in faster casting on your suit.

 

[Connor_Graham]

But don't help me also potions and chivalry?
I cant raise healing. I miss the necessary points because i dont want to drop ress spell to 100.
Bushido is a good skill? Or it's better hiding?

120 Resist is a waste of skill points in PvM, and most especially for an archer in PvM. This is the template I use, and I've solo'd all but the Fleshrenderers in Doom, along with almost every paragon in the game with it. I can probably solo Dread Horn with it also but haven't tried it yet, although it's on my list of things to do.

120 Archery
120 Tactics
120 Bushido
100 Healing
95 Anatomy
90 Resist
75 Chiv

The way you have your Healing and Chiv set up you're handicapping yourself needlessly. Unless you have a godly Balanced bow, you can forget about potion healing, and trying to depend on Chiv healing on an archer in PvM is suicide. You'll run out of mana so fast you won't be able to do anything.

 

[Ivory Norwind]

120 Resist is a waste of skill points in PvM, and most especially for an archer in PvM.

But how can i defend me from the mage monsters like dragons, mages and so on if i dont have high ress spell? I use evasion of bushido?

 

[Connor_Graham]

But how can i defend me from the mage monsters like dragons, mages and so on if i dont have high ress spell? I use evasion of bushido?

The amount of spell damage you'll receive is easily healed with a bandage. For situations where you get hit a little harder, a quick Confidence will take care of it. As an archer you won't be taking very much physical damage, so there isn't all that much damage to worry about. The only real reason to have Resist on a PvM archer is to reduce the effectiveness of Curse, Mana Drain, and Necro spells.

Btw....Evasion doesn't work on archers.

 

[Storm]

But how can i defend me from the mage monsters like dragons, mages and so on if i dont have high ress spell? I use evasion of bushido?

as connor said heal a lot I use a macro that applies bandage and then cast confidence in one button works great I fight the crimson a lot and have been only one standing after getting hit for over a hundred damage and back to max almost as fast as I got hit one of the keys to this template is lots of mana regen in your suit (i have 10-11 depending on equip 7 or 8 should get you buy) and a good mana leech bow

 

[Ivory Norwind]

Btw....Evasion doesn't work on archers.

Thanks Connor and Farsight! You have helped me very much
I think i'll do my archer like Connor's template.
One last thing. I've the jackal collar but it's not mage amour. Is it better to change it, also if i loose 15 point of dex?
My archer is still raising bushido and i don't yet go to combact, then i don't know how armour is the best for she. I have two balanced bow but i have to tested them. And also for my armour. I don't know if it's ok. But the problem is the jackal collar. Suggestions? Is it better if I wear a mage gorget?
And is it better the spirit of the totem, for strenght or the hunter, for more dex?
Thanks for the patience

 

[Turdnugget]

I had GM alchemy + EP on my bushido/archer at one point... talk about damage =)

In some cases it's harder, as the champion moves so explosion pots are less effective. But for something that stays relatively still... it works wonders.

I killed Lady Mel once with 2 other GD's. We killed it in about 5 minutes. I just chain exploded pots on her, she's got weak fire as well. Didn't have to worry about dispelling revenants as my pots would blow those up too.

But like everyone said, ABC archer is the best damage dealer. Get a hit mana weapon so you can chain LS too.

 

[Connor_Graham]

One last thing. I've the jackal collar but it's not mage amour. Is it better to change it, also if i loose 15 point of dex?

I'd get rid of the Jackal's. I never have had one on my archer. It's better to use a crafted gorget with mana regen, mana increase, and stamina increase. The extra dex you'll need can be made up with a Crimson Cincture, Mace & Shield glasses, and your ring & brace.

My archer is still raising bushido and i don't yet go to combact, then i don't know how armour is the best for she.

Armor type really doesn't matter, but you do want mana regen, mana increase and stamina increase as mods. LMC is also helpful. I'd suggest you start with a Rune Beetle Carapace for the chest, Stormgrip for gloves, Mace & Shield for head, then crafted arms, gorget, and legs.

And is it better the spirit of the totem, for strenght or the hunter, for more dex?
Thanks for the patience

Neither. Mace & Shield glasses are the way to go for the head piece.

 

[Ivory Norwind]

Sorry Storm, I've read your answer only after posting mine.
Yes, mana leech, i know
The template is made ( in theory!), also the bows. Now i have to adjust my armour. I've tried to buy the more mana regen that i've found. Read my last post and give me some suggestion, if you can
I also have a ring of the vile, a rune beetle carapace, a crimson cincture and a conjurer's thinket. The other pieces ( sleeves, gloves and leggings) are all mage armor and the most mana regen that i've found.
The doubt is only for the totem and the jackal collar

 

[Ivory Norwind]

Connor, ok, as usal, i've posted before readind the last one.
Ok, i'll do as you suggest to me.
I've never seen the mace&shied glasses but i'll find it
Grazie!

 

[Connor_Graham]

The Mace & Shield glasses are a library reward. You can normally find a pair for sale on a player vendor for 7-9mil or so, or you can buy up 20k frostwood, or the equivalent of valorite ingots if you can find them and do the donating yourself.

 

[cucujanu]

frostwood or ingotts are no good for the M&S glasses.
u need to donate bucklers or axes for them and this takes forever.
so ,better to buy them

 

[Diomedes Artega]

But how can i defend me from the mage monsters like dragons, mages and so on if i dont have high ress spell? I use evasion of bushido?

By staying away from them? You should only be taking spellcasting damage and that should be negated easily enough.

 

[Diomedes Artega]

Thanks Connor and Farsight! You have helped me very much
I think i'll do my archer like Connor's template.
One last thing. I've the jackal collar but it's not mage amour. Is it better to change it, also if i loose 15 point of dex?
My archer is still raising bushido and i don't yet go to combact, then i don't know how armour is the best for she. I have two balanced bow but i have to tested them. And also for my armour. I don't know if it's ok. But the problem is the jackal collar. Suggestions? Is it better if I wear a mage gorget?
And is it better the spirit of the totem, for strenght or the hunter, for more dex?
Thanks for the patience

I don't really use a jackal's any more for my archer. Mended barbed or smith crafted mempo is great. Especially the smith ones. Any of them are crafted as mage armor so that will be fine for regening MP. Just find one with capped stamina +8 as well as other needed stats.

It really is too easy any more to put together a descent suit. With the neck and the arms you can easily have +16 stamina right there. Some people don't use crafted legs and opt for fey leggings, but you can get +8 more stamina through the legs. Or use leggings of bane and that will give you even more stamina. All you really need is 140 for 4 second heals.

 

[Diomedes Artega]

i want to create an archer only for pvm. A good archer who can play solo. Also against Dragons, paragons and other mage monster.

The final template will be so:
120 archery
120 tactics
120 anatomy
120 ress spell
120 bushido
70 healing
65 chivalry

I use a rune beetle carapace, a ring of the vile, a spirit of the totem a crimson cinture and a jackal collar. My resistences are all 70.

Is it a good template? Can i heal me only with potions, 70 healing and 65 chiv?
It's better to drop bushido for raising 100 hiding and healing to 90?
There are the invisibility potions. So i've chose bushido instead of hiding.
Is it good?
Some suggestion?
Thanks

It really is all in your style. Hiding is good to have for a doom archer...i.e. for parking it there when you log out for the day/night or in a tight situation. Other than that, not much use for it unless you PvP and have a stealth archer.

Other than that, you would want a max damage template for Doom. 120 Weapon, 120 Bushido and 120 Tactics...if running a ABC Archer. Can just have straight 120s if you are running a chivalry archer. That works as well.

I highly recommend 90 healing and its up to you if you would like more. Person's own preference. Any healing that adds up to 90 is reliable. Healing is not reliable before 90 as you will get the message "Your fingers are slipping" quite a bit.

Also, ecru's now have a timer on them so you won't be using them to heal reliably. You can get by with just an ecru and chivalry BUT you won't heal fast enough against the major mob DD's of the game.

Healing, ecru ring, confidence and bandages allows me to pretty much kill any creature in the game. Only bosses can't solo of course.

 

[Ivory Norwind]

No, i don't like Doom
My archer is for all dungeons of trammel, ML, Ilshenar, Tokuno. Dragons, paragon
No champ, that i hate to die only for red one, only to get some PS.
I enjoy myself playing solo

Sorry, what is an ABC archer?

 

[Farsight]

Random replies:

Without the jackals, I have 135 dex. With it, I have 150. But my template requires meditation (which I have in place of resist in Connor's template), so I don't use it. I also don't use the mace and shield glasses on my archer. I used to, but now don't for roleplay reasons. Both of those items are now on my samurai.

ABC = Archery, Bushido, Chivalry. AKA, you.

If you want some in-game advice or tips, I'm usually happy to help. Just look for Aneirin (guild UP) or Farsight (guild CYM) in New Haven, Catskills.

And dexterity determines your heal speed (one tick every 20 seconds to a minimum of 4 seconds for you, 2 seconds healing others at 140 dex) and your current stamina determines your swing speed. So if you're out of stamina, you swing slowly, but still heal quickly.

 

[Ivory Norwind]

Ok, now i have a problem.
I've chosen this template (also if some skills are not at 120 because i like to raise skills playing and not macroing!)

120 bushido (real)
120 archery
120 tactics
100 anatomy ( real)
90 healing
90 ress spell ( real)
80 chiv (real)

Then i have a suit with 9 mana regen and about 70 for all resistences. I have 147 dex. It's all ok until some casting monsters target me.

The problem is for ress spell. A simple casting of a WW drops my dex by 8 points, then under 140
It's better to raise ress spell to 100 and drop anatomy to 90?
I'm a little depressed

 

[Storm]

I have 100 resist and you still get dex loss the thing is just use remove curse or you could find one more point in dex then you would not drop below 140 (am am assuming its the heal rate you are worried about) whats you stamina? as long as it stays over 150 you dont lose swing speed then next level is 180
try getting a piece of jewelry for 10 resist and go see if you can tell the difference !

 

[Ivory Norwind]

i've tryied to raise with a bracelet ress spell at 105. Dex loss is now 7 instead of 8 and i remain with 140. But also stamina loss is to 140

A little problem. It's the first time that i try to raise a stat so high. Also if i wear a bracelet +8 dex, it stops at 150. I'm an elf. Is it normal?
Can't I raise dex over 150?

 

[Connor_Graham]

i've tryied to raise with a bracelet ress spell at 105. Dex loss is now 7 instead of 8 and i remain with 140. But also stamina loss is to 140

This is where suit building comes into play. It will take time, but the ideal armor pcs for an archer will have MR, Mana Inc, and Stam Inc. Until you can get those "just right" pcs, try carrying a few greater agility pots with you. This should bring you back up to 150 dex/stam while you're cursed. You could also use apples, Remove Curse chiv spell, or curse removal talismans, although you'll probably just end up being cursed as soon as you remove the first one.

A little problem. It's the first time that i try to raise a stat so high. Also if i wear a bracelet +8 dex, it stops at 150. I'm an elf. Is it normal?
Can't I raise dex over 150?

Dex is capped at 150 whether human or elf. Stamina can go as high as you can build into your suit, which is somewhere around 183 if I remember right. I've got 172 stam because of my suit, and find that I'm still in the mid 160's when cursed.

 

[Ivory Norwind]

Ok, Connor. The problem is that my armor has only mana regeneration. Now i have to find a mana regen + stamina increase suit. It will be very difficult
In the meanwhile i'll do with agility potions, how you suggest to me
Thank for the patience

 

[Connor_Graham]

Now i have to find a mana regen + stamina increase suit. It will be very difficult

Yes, it's very time consuming to find just the right pieces, along with being very expensive. Even if you have your own smith, burning any verite and valorite hammers you happen to get are hit and miss. Bkits are even more hit and miss than runic hammers are, so you end up going through a mess of them just to find a single piece that might fit into your suit.