For Draconi

[slavoie]

Well, sorry to do this this way, but you seem to be the guy in charge...

Not a whine, or complaint, mabye a suggestion per say.

I have been back to UO for 4 months now from a 3 year break. When I left it was entirely possible to go to a champ spawn in fel with some people and finish it up. mabye a red or two whould show up and you would fight them off.


Bear with me while I set this up though, might sound like whining...

Ok fast forward 3 years,


Massive red guilds

Insane mods / items to buy for factions


Impossible to complete a champ spawn in fel.

You see I even figured I would join one of the red guilds, and viola np.

Well they all require 3rd party programs to play, IE teemspeak to join ICQ or something else. Well guess what not everybody wants or can do this.

Ok I guess I wil wrap up my whining, I don't think at the inception of fel based champ spawns that the Dev's envisions massive roaving mobs of reds sweeping the lands killing everything in its paths and the requirements of 3rd party apps to join or play with these guilds.

Is there an answer, I don't think so, you see I'm a big fan of Felluca, I live there, I play there, I love the challange it brings. So I would in no way suggest putting power scrolls in tramm, but you have created a vacume with power scrolls that is driving behavior in game and encouraging Felluca play for all the wrong reasons. Its not about reward, its about holding a portion of the game hostage. Mabye you can set up a few spawns like peerless areas, whrere you need keys to get in and only one group at a time, or some variation of that, I duno. come up with incentive to not crush every group that crosses the line. Let reds into Ilish, and Tramm so they are not so freeking attention starved so they kill everything that moves.

Thats my oppinion we welcome yours...




WOW, I just thought of something, as I was getting ready for sleep.

Put Power Scrolls in FEL based treasure maps, level 5 and 6, Not sure if there are level 6 fel maps, but im sure you can get them in game. Still dangerous, still chance of reds, I guess they could run the tmap spots just like they do the spawns if they wanted to. Make it a percent chance based on map. 6 would obviously have a better chance and so on, your smart devs, you can figure out that whole percent thingy.

 

[lucitus]

*yawn* not another cry thread.

please this is a mmo you have to search a guild to do champs.

 

[Viper09]

Put Power Scrolls in FEL based treasure maps, level 5 and 6, Not sure if there are level 6 fel maps, but im sure you can get them in game. Still dangerous, still chance of reds, I guess they could run the tmap spots just like they do the spawns if they wanted to. Make it a percent chance based on map. 6 would obviously have a better chance and so on, your smart devs, you can figure out that whole percent thingy.

There are level 6 treasure maps.

But yes, I agree, put powerscrolls, or at least something worth while, into treasure maps

105's in level 1's and 2's
level's 3 105's and rarely 110's
level 4's 110's
level 5's 115's and rarely 120's
level 6's 115's and 120's in level 6's

Or something else, I don't know. Treasure maps really need something good in them now days.

 

[AesSedai]

... but you have created a vacume with power scrolls that is driving behavior in game and encouraging Felluca play for all the wrong reasons...

- It was worth the read to me (I added some boldness too).

Now whether that was the ultimate desire with powerscrolls &/or whether that still is now, a few years later, as things have evolved; I'll leave that up to the Devs. to determine.

Want powerscrolls on some shards, without risk? Join a big guild that 'equally' shares the rewards that were obtained with minor risk involved.

 

[Dragkiris]

So download map and teamspeak. There not making you download them to control you there telling you that you need to get them to function as a team member.

 

[Arcus]

So I would in no way suggest putting power scrolls in tramm, but you have created a vacume with power scrolls that is driving behavior in game and encouraging Felluca play for all the wrong reasons.

They have stated their position on this many times. What you are complaining about is exactly what they would expect to happen, and wanted to happen.

What you are suggesting has been suggested over and over and the answer, thankfully , is always a flat out no.

It is one of the last true elements of challenge and conquest left in the game.

 

[slavoie]

That's my point, in order to enjoy certain parts of UO, I have to download a program and do what "you" say. Not you personally but in general what the guild tells me to do. UO was designed as a community, not as a clique.

 

[slavoie]

For four months I have been organizing groups to go to fel and do champ spawns, for four months I have been picking up the scrolls that the group that came and killed our group to finish the spawn has thrown on the ground. At this point its not challenging, its demorolizing. I will get back up and try again, but I feel that this challenge is not as they origionally intended.

Again, not suggesting you bring them to Tram, just suggesting more diversity in Fel for getting them.

 

[Connor_Graham]

That's my point, in order to enjoy certain parts of UO, I have to download a program and do what "you" say. Not you personally but in general what the guild tells me to do. UO was designed as a community, not as a clique.

If you're so concernced about community, why would you be opposed to using a LEGAL program that allows you to TALK to the community? Are you just wanting to emote to other people or is conversing with them an option in any way?

 

[slavoie]

That's like saying UO Assist is required for maxium fun, Not that the game itself can support the fun level. Cause I'm paying EA to play UO, I'm not paying teemspeak to play UO. Teamspeak is not about community, it's about efficiency.

Listen, please don't take this the wrong, way. Teamspeak away, I think it's great to enhance the game with it. I just don't feel the mechanices of the core game should be effected by something as simple as that. You know a hammer can kill someone if you hit them in the head with it, but that is not what it is intended for.

 

[Connor_Graham]

That's like saying UO Assist is required for maxium fun, Not that the game itself can support the fun level. Cause I'm paying EA to play UO, I'm not paying teemspeak to play UO. Teamspeak is not about community, it's about efficiency.

If someone is inviting you to join them in TS, then you're not paying for it. You're just downloading it and using it. The guild pays for the service. You may as well get used to using some type of program such as TS or Ventrillo, because any game around today makes extensive use of it. I lost track of how many different Vent servers I had to add during the time that I played WoW, and most of those were just for single dungeon runs.

 

[Pink Dragoness]

Sorry to say, community flew out the door along time ago.

 

[IanJames]

I think the real problem here is that he wants the benefits of being in a guild without having to interact with them.

Nearly every large guild runs some sort of teamspeak or ventrilo server. It makes communicating easier and faster.

No one is telling YOU what to do, it's just a tool. If you want to be in a guild and it uses a chat, then you should be prepared to do that. Otherwise, go find a guild that doesn't use one, good luck.

Our guild has plenty of people who are in vent and don't even have a mic, they just listen and get the information, and type back.

I think there's more to this apprehension of using the tool than what is being stated.

 

[slavoie]

I am in UWF on Atlantic and have been for a while now, if you check it is the 3rd largest guild in UO. So no, your wrong about the guild interaction part. We talk all the time, in Guild chat, which is part of the base game I am paying for.

Again, please dont assume my intentions, I am happy for you to have Vent and teamspeak, I do not feel that I should have to have it to join larger guilds, which is why im in UWF, cause they don't "require" it for membership. You are just trying to derail my origional suggestion by turning this thread into "move powerscrolls to tramm, cause I don't want to fight the reds".

My suggestion is diversity of locations and types of ways to gain powerscrolls in Felucca.

Now would you like me to assume on your part that your so deathy scared of loosing your one last grip on this game that you will say anything to keep powerscrolls locked down to the groups that has control of it, lording it over everybody else. Well that would be wrong, and I will not ascribe that position to you or anybody else, but one could assume that as a perspective, just as you are assuming my perspective.

There are balance changes up on TC right now.... humgh I wonder why.

 

[Connor_Graham]

I do not feel that I should have to have it to join larger guilds

It's too bad for you then that the larger guilds feel differently. Personally, I'd be suspect of any large guild that claimed to be proficient with champ spawns that DIDN'T use some type of voice software.

What you're not realizing is that no one is MAKING you do anything. You can CHOOSE to join one of the large guilds and use TS or Vent, or you can CHOOSE not to, and continue the same way you have been.

It's your choice. No one will MAKE you do anything you don't want to because........well.............they CAN'T.

 

[CatLord]

Sorry to say, community flew out the door along time ago.

Yup...

A- when the Tram guilds got the runic weapons... and then they fell prey to players that would join just to kill and get one of those ubber weapons... no insurance back in the day.

B- when it became "easy" to patrol the champ spawns, cross and self heal, mass-target...


but again... UO is a corporate business for many of the Red Guilds that have the monopoly on power/stat scrolls... thanks to the devs (and the dupers) UO Gold is worth less and less... making the profit margins grow slim... making the uo gold fencers hunger for real $ and start selling uo million gold at great promotions...


With the new Devs UO changed from being a Buy/Sell game into a more balanced game where everyone can get almost anything...

powerscrolls and stat scrolls are the last item under the control of the red corporative masses... if I am correct that too is soon to change.

and I am correct often...

 

[Gellor]

ICQ = free and doesn't effect UO client... so technically UO-Approved.
Teamspeak = free and doesn't effect UO client... so technically UO-Approved.
Vent = free and doesn't effect UO client... so technically UO-Approved.
UOAM = free(and defunct) and I recall it being UO-Approved.

The only thing that is UO-Approved that ISN'T free is UO Assist. And I will be the first to say, I find it worth every penny(3 account paid for) But some people have successfully PvP'd without it.

Now if you are complaining about some of the other unmentionable programs some guilds use/require, then you have a legitimate gripe.

 

[Limlight]

No offense to the TC. But I am in HOT (one of those evil guilds he is talking about) and I cant ever remember crashing a UWF spawn) and I was in LNR before this.

UWF never does spawns from what I can see. We crash the normal ones...
Cow, LNR and the random LLTS, MSI and TDT and a couple small blue tamer guilds.

If I have never seen you guys...chances are you arent trying enough. Where are you trying to do these?

If you are a small guild...you need to scout spawns....find a bog or a Khaldun or an Island one. Try and get it as a Coon.

Then work it as fast as you can. Remember to attempt an Island while a big guild is doing despise. This will help you as Despise is the one everyone checks and if there is a large fight there..you have a better chance at pulling it off.

It just sounds to me like you have poor planning.

 

[slavoie]

Connor,

your missing the point, I'm not anti, vent or teamspeak, large guilds can do whatever they want. Im not suggesting a ban on teamspeak, or some sort of nurf of reds.

I am simply suggesting alternate and more ways to get power scrolls in Fel, why are you stuck on teamspeak. I simply said, I disagree with the concept that you would have to use a 3rd party program to participate in certain larger guilds, as I have indicated, I am in a large guild.

Just to clarify your point, that you think any guild that claims to be professient at "RAIDING" champ spawns would need a speaking server to do so. Cause it's not like you need to call out individual matriarchs to the team, cause they are wreaking havoc...

I am simply pointing out the vaccum that is created by the current handful of places you can get PS's, it is way to easy for a group of players to dominate one portion of the game that everybody should be able to enjoy.

On a side note, as I got thinking about this balance thing, why is it that reds can not participate in several of the peerless bosses. Haven't red healers been in Tramm long enought that everybody does not have a heart attack when they see something red roaming around. Can't you just apply the Faction system of non combat for reds in tramm or Ilish?

 

[Cetric]

Yup...

A- when the Tram guilds got the runic weapons... and then they fell prey to players that would join just to kill and get one of those ubber weapons... no insurance back in the day.

B- when it became "easy" to patrol the champ spawns, cross and self heal, mass-target...


but again... UO is a corporate business for many of the Red Guilds that have the monopoly on power/stat scrolls... thanks to the devs (and the dupers) UO Gold is worth less and less... making the profit margins grow slim... making the uo gold fencers hunger for real $ and start selling uo million gold at great promotions...


With the new Devs UO changed from being a Buy/Sell game into a more balanced game where everyone can get almost anything...

powerscrolls and stat scrolls are the last item under the control of the red corporative masses... if I am correct that too is soon to change.

and I am correct often...

And if you would be correct, fel would quickly die besides yew gate, and 75% of Fel's player base would head for a new game. Wanna kill uo quick? Do that. All these posts on having power scrolls in tram are selfish. Just another thing to hand to the tram on a silver platter. I know of one pvm guild on great lakes that has been consistently sneaking in spawns, and they do not complain when they get caught, they invite the challenge so they can learn.

 

[Connor_Graham]

Connor,

your missing the point, I'm not anti, vent or teamspeak, large guilds can do whatever they want. Im not suggesting a ban on teamspeak, or some sort of nurf of reds.

No, but you are asking the devs to change the game because you don't want to use a voice program that the large spawn guilds require, because it's the most efficient means of group PvP.

You see I even figured I would join one of the red guilds, and viola np.

Well they all require 3rd party programs to play, IE teemspeak to join ICQ or something else. Well guess what not everybody wants or can do this.

As you can see, I'm "stuck on this", as you say, because you're the one that brought it up to begin with.

 

[Limlight]

Just to clarify your point, that you think any guild that claims to be professient at "RAIDING" champ spawns would need a speaking server to do so. Cause it's not like you need to call out individual matriarchs to the team, cause they are wreaking havoc...

I think you are missing the point.

While vent does indeed help the team raiding...its even more helpful to the team defending.

It appears like havor to you because when you are getting chased by reds you cant type in alliance chat "Reds here...*** Raiding.....Rez point is at ***.... Set up defenses at alter...chokepoint at south"

Instead you have as you say ...Havoc because you are all running around like trammies like chickens with your heads cut off. Vent would allow someone to say "8 reds raiding from west...setup fields"

But, continue on our "Vent" is the devil speach. Its funny.

 

[slavoie]

Ok, for anybody that I have offended, please forgive me.

Draconi, if you have read this please understand my point to this post was to suggest a balance issue, as I see it.

I think that if you incorperated some alternate locations / new ways to get power scrolls in Felucca, new challenging ways by altering / adjusting current systems, everybody would benifit.

Dont forget everybody...


"If it moves, kill it."

 

[MalagAste]

Here's the "beauty" of Powerscrolls for the NON-Fel folk..... truth about Powerscrolls is not only do you NOT need them... But Powerscrolls are self limiting.... so the beauty is that quite quickly those that fell they "MUST" have them.... quickly buy them up at a highly inflated drasticly overpriced price.... feeding the market frenzy so all the FEL Punk Dudes rush to meet demand.... now here's the real kicker for your brain.......

Now eventually the market become saturated so to speak with high end highly over priced powerscrolls..... however the player base as we all know is diminishing...... despite what anyone will tell you it is..... and those of us who continue to play and play have powerscrolled our characters to the hilt over and over and well..... now you reach the fun point......

The supply far outweighs the demand.. because those who "had" to have them in the beginning have them.... and those that don't have them aren't about to pay crazy prices for them and even more eventually those that sell them are going to go broke just keeping them for sale on their vendors....

And what eventually has to happen is two things..... those that have tons of them quit getting them.... ie they stop doing spawns.... and they also eventually have to drop their super over inflated prices because no one will buy the product..... it's too easy for others to go to less populated shards and just do a ton of spawns and bring back all the scrolls they need... and even discount price scrolls...

The true beauty of powerscrolls is in the fact that they are self limiting.... once you get all the 120's your characters could ever need... your done... and so is the need and drive to obtain them.... eventually the supply does over saturate the demand....

 

[the 4th man]

Don't feel bad Slavoie, I wouldn't put that crap on my pc either.....for one, I don't trust icq, and this team speak stuff.....funny, every time I read the word, I suddenly see a buncha dweebs, nerds and geeks.....like that you tube video, the guild.

As for the raiding and the cheating, I stay away from the fel champs, just a headache.


later

WoW,,,,,,lol, that's a good one.

 

[slavoie]

Does anybody other then the first... sorry, second poster have any comments as to my origional suggestion either for or against with a reason.

Why would it be good to add locations / ways to get PS's in Fel, and why.

Why would it be bad to add locations /ways to get PS's in Fel, and why.

Thank you to everybody that has posted to this point, for or against. As I said above, forgive me. I probally could have done a better job of presenting without the opinion about teamspeak. My point to that was to illistrate the behavior and the control of the current system.

Mion, Sion, Tion, Hion, Dion, Vion of Atlantic

No I'm not that creative.

 

[Redxpanda]

It's pretty obvious at this point that they realize the plan to encourage PvP is a complete disaster. I think it is also safe to say that any changes to the current system will result in massive deactivation of the many raid guild accounts (their play accounts and the ghost cam accounts ). It's easier for the devs to do nothing and continue to hope the problem fixes itself. I'm pretty sure they rather leave things as they are instead of losing subscribers.

In the future when (or if) this game grows to a greater player base and it is popular again, then they can take that chance.

I think that pretty much sums it up but no dev is going to say that. Thats why they avoid these kind of threads like the plague...

 

[slavoie]

So your saying changing things would be bad, because

Players would leave???

 

[Viper09]

...

Think you should re-post this with just proposing the idea for treasure chests. This whole discussion here is something else.

 

[HD2300]

It's pretty obvious at this point that they realize the plan to encourage PvP is a complete disaster. I think it is also safe to say that any changes to the current system will result in massive deactivation of the many raid guild accounts (their play accounts and the ghost cam accounts ). It's easier for the devs to do nothing and continue to hope the problem fixes itself. I'm pretty sure they rather leave things as they are instead of losing subscribers.

In the future when (or if) this game grows to a greater player base and it is popular again, then they can take that chance.

I think that pretty much sums it up but no dev is going to say that. Thats why they avoid these kind of threads like the plague...

Pssst wanna buy a BRK or 1000?

It a case of see no evil, say no evil, hear no evil.

We now know nixing Punkbuster was a bad decision. We would have lost far fewer subscribers now if it was integrated.

 

[Omnius]

Well, sorry to do this this way, but you seem to be the guy in charge...

Not a whine, or complaint, mabye a suggestion per say.

I have been back to UO for 4 months now from a 3 year break. When I left it was entirely possible to go to a champ spawn in fel with some people and finish it up. mabye a red or two whould show up and you would fight them off.


Bear with me while I set this up though, might sound like whining...

Ok fast forward 3 years,


Massive red guilds

Insane mods / items to buy for factions


Impossible to complete a champ spawn in fel.

You see I even figured I would join one of the red guilds, and viola np.

Well they all require 3rd party programs to play, IE teemspeak to join ICQ or something else. Well guess what not everybody wants or can do this.

Ok I guess I wil wrap up my whining, I don't think at the inception of fel based champ spawns that the Dev's envisions massive roaving mobs of reds sweeping the lands killing everything in its paths and the requirements of 3rd party apps to join or play with these guilds.

Is there an answer, I don't think so, you see I'm a big fan of Felluca, I live there, I play there, I love the challange it brings. So I would in no way suggest putting power scrolls in tramm, but you have created a vacume with power scrolls that is driving behavior in game and encouraging Felluca play for all the wrong reasons. Its not about reward, its about holding a portion of the game hostage. Mabye you can set up a few spawns like peerless areas, whrere you need keys to get in and only one group at a time, or some variation of that, I duno. come up with incentive to not crush every group that crosses the line. Let reds into Ilish, and Tramm so they are not so freeking attention starved so they kill everything that moves.

Thats my oppinion we welcome yours...




WOW, I just thought of something, as I was getting ready for sleep.

Put Power Scrolls in FEL based treasure maps, level 5 and 6, Not sure if there are level 6 fel maps, but im sure you can get them in game. Still dangerous, still chance of reds, I guess they could run the tmap spots just like they do the spawns if they wanted to. Make it a percent chance based on map. 6 would obviously have a better chance and so on, your smart devs, you can figure out that whole percent thingy.

This is very humorous. First, champ spawn raiding guilds have declined in number and those guilds have declined in membership over the last few years.

You may enjoy this part. Since day one of the release of voice communication programs, players have made use of them in this game. This is not because they are elitists or they want to talk to people but rather to maintain a competitive edge in a massively multiplayer game, the ability to cut out the time spent typing complex orders, passing intelligence and informing your entire guild on site and off, being able to simply say it is a tremendous asset. Voice comm separates solo warriors from soldiers. Soldiers are more valuable than warriors in a group setting, simple fact of MMORPGs.

UOAM has been around ages, it has resulted in guilds being able to react faster and more efficiently, pvp is about speed and cheating isnt the only place players decrease wasted time.

UOAssist and similar third party programs are an insane advantage. Although similar programs may offer no difference in features they are still offering abilities that the UO client has simply lacked. The difference is pot chugging and more efficient arming and disarming of weapons. It's sad that EA keeps these features from the client and forces their player base to use an illegal third party program for free or a pay to play program from some shady programmer that updates his product slowly and often days later.

PvP guilds ask only that you be able to communicate and thus be a solid asset to the group, be visible and capable of arriving at battles quickly and without wasting time by having a superior map system that is available to all and use the same macros that everyone in the game has been using for a long time.

You don't need to cheat, just use everything that is available.

 

[PlayerSkillFTW]

ICQ has been in use in UO forever. I remember ICQing people late at night for a rez at the Covetous Lich Room in 97-98. Nothing new.
Teamspeak/Ventrilio are used by guilds to coordinate their activities where you normally don't have the time to type something out, like while raiding/defending a champ. If you don't want to take the time to download a client and use it for better coordination with your guild mates, then why the hell should the guild accept you and let you get something that takes teamwork to get?

 

[Redxpanda]

So your saying changing things would be bad, because

Players would leave???

Yes! This game is at a point where it is either going to become popular once again or it is going to end (I can't say it is going to fail because i would consider this game a success even if it ended today). Because of this, UO can't afford to lose players en masse.


I am playing Tabula Rasa now and i gotta tell you, the game is hella fun (You can play for free now if anyone is interested). Tabula failed because they couldn't get enough people to play it rendering it unprofitable. Same thing would happen to this game. UO is fun and unique but the day that the subscriptions fall below a certain number, it will be gone just like the rest of em. WoW on the other hand, is one of those games that you play for a couple weeks and you are sick of it but people can't stop playing it so it remains #1.

I shouldn't even have to explain this any further.

 

[Smokin]

ICQ has been in use in UO forever. I remember ICQing people late at night for a rez at the Covetous Lich Room in 97-98. Nothing new.
Teamspeak/Ventrilio are used by guilds to coordinate their activities where you normally don't have the time to type something out, like while raiding/defending a champ. If you don't want to take the time to download a client and use it for better coordination with your guild mates, then why the hell should the guild accept you and let you get something that takes teamwork to get?

I guess people who are deaf, could never play on a team.

 

[slavoie]

I should have named the thread

How we love or hate teamspeak....

I only used that as an illistration of how peple are controlling the spawns.

Now, what be yer thoughts Mr. Smith about them der Power Scrolls.