So why no powerscrolls in Tram ruleset spawns?

[Goldberg-Chessy]

I play in Tram more than Fel, but seriously Fel needs a FEW extra perks to get people there... even if champs are the only place to find fel ppl.

You'd probably get a few more folks into Fel if the PvP culture showed a bit more tact and respect for their fellow player. The Smack talk and complete lack of restraint shown to other players from most of them after they gank some poor fool 6 vs 1 just makes me want to smack the crap out of their parents for not raising their children with a sense of Integrity, Tact, and Honor.


Fel's issue isn't lack of reason to go there, it's lack of civility of the majority of players (Note: Majority does not equal All) that do frequent there.

Only a total fool believes that any percentage of Trammel players have more integrity, tact or honor.

Spend 5 minutes at Brit bank or any popular hunting ground in Trammel on any shard and you will see more griefing and spamming and kill stealing then you could imagine.

Honor? - Try to make a deal with some spamming fool in Luna bank only to have him totally break the deal 5 seconds later cuz someone ran up and offered him 50k more gold(even though he already agreed to your price and you have a trade window up)
Tact? - Try to tame a killer Greater Dragon or Cu that you clearly saw/attempted first only to have 2 other kids run up and try to tame themselves or kill it
Integrity? - Ever wander around Luna or Trammel shops and actually look at all the duped or scam items? Do you really believe that it is only Fel players running these kinds of shops? Lol. If so your parents raised a fool Imo.


The only difference between Tram & Fel is that in Trammel all the bs is allowed to go unchecked while in Felucca in some cases you at least have the option of attacking the offending player. Not a perfect system but a hell of a lot better then standing around in Trammel for 18 hours waiting for a non existent GM to show up after you page on a griefer.

 

[HD2300]

Here is how I see it. If you want more people in Fel, you need to lower the barriers for people to be competitive in Fel. That means cheaper items and cheaper powerscrolls.

We already have cheap items like uber Faction Crimsons going for 2000 silver. If it makes sense to level the playing field and allow players to be more competitive with cheap items, then this should extend also to allowing people to get PS for cheap.

Replace PS in Fel with something equally valuable like deco items that change every 3 months. Collectors and decorators will go nuts over them because they are RARE.

 

[RichDC]

And here is how i see it,

Get of your arse stop moaning and learn how to be competitive in fel!!!

The reason that you..and i are not competitive is not as much to do with the items as it is to do with the fact those felucians have been applying there trade for more than 10yrs!!!

They are organised!!And the most part very skillfull!

I guarantee you could hook yourself up with the most UBER mage equiptment (all 70's 2/6casting 12mr 45%lmc 18hpr) and you would STILL get your buttcheeks handed to you!!!

I suppose tho then you would find something else like...this person hacked to beat me!!!

 

[Limlight]

Whatever happened to people just being better at something?

Everytime someone dies now days..."its haxorz"

Fel is where the Scrolls are....deal with it and get better.

Like I already said..I was a complete trammelite and I loved Tram at first and didnt want to leave....and I got my ace handed to me for several years...

I am still only a average or slightly above average mage...but I can hold my own with everyone except the top tier mages (Paith, Cal..etc) who just steamroll over me...but I atleast keep trying.

Its not that hard...and like I said...I have done several solo champs by myself in the last few months...on ATLANTIC. The biggest shard.

All I see Trammelites doing is making excuses to not have to learn a new playstyle.

Example: I know people who can solo the peerless champs. (Mel, Dread..etc)...which amazes me...and I cannot do it...but those same people I have seen get owned in PvP. I want to learn how to solo a peerless, but it will take work and I am not going to whine about the people who have the skill to do it and the benefits they reap.

 

[HD2300]

And here is how i see it,

Get of your arse stop moaning and learn how to be competitive in fel!!!

...

I guarantee you could hook yourself up with the most UBER mage equiptment (all 70's 2/6casting 12mr 45%lmc 18hpr) and you would STILL get your buttcheeks handed to you!!!

If they are scrolled up and have a decent suit they would be more competitve and more likely to go to Fel. I assume you want more people in Fel, so remove the barriers and more people will go to Fel.

 

[RichDC]

Im a trammy, i only go to fel to spawn.

I dont see any barriers apart from a persons willingness to learn and not have everything handed to them on a silver platter!!!

Felucia is a hard place but the rewards are great, thats why we dont spawn in trammel (20 people on a spawn in tram/ilsh compared to 5 in fel) meaning if we do survive we get a higher drop rate...we are learning the way to be more competitive the ONLY barrier is peoples safety net (trammel) and not willing to go out of there comfort zone

 

[HD2300]

I dont see any barriers apart from a persons willingness to learn and not have everything handed to them on a silver platter!!!

There are 3 barriers. Suit, PS and Experience. If your naked with 0 resists, you not going to last long. If your a 110 archer or 110 dexer, again you are at a RNG disadvantage to a 120 archer or dexer. EA is already allowing people to build decent suits with Faction arties such as uber Crimsons, Ornis etc for cheap. They should extend it to also PS, but they wont for now anyway.

 

[Limlight]

There are 3 barriers. Suit, PS and Experience. If your naked with 0 resists, you not going to last long. If your a 110 archer or 110 dexer, again you are at a RNG disadvantage to a 120 archer or dexer. EA is already allowing people to build decent suits with Faction arties such as uber Crimsons, Ornis etc for cheap. They should extend it to also PS, but they wont for now anyway.

How exactly do you think the person with 120 got to 120?
Because the way I see it, he either:
A. Was 110 like you at one time working for a 120.
B. Bought the 120 from someone else like you are complaining about.

Suit - Can easily be built in tram.
PS - Can buy it or earn it like I explained above. (We all have to earn it)
Experience - How do you get experience? Fighting and PvPing.
pancakes about less experience does you nothing. Fighting/dying gives you experience.

My advice to you. Load up on pots, apples and go to fel...attack someone you think looks weaker than most and practice staying alive more then winning. Develop defensive instincts first and once you have that down....work on killing them.

 

[Gellor]

Limlight is pretty much hitting it on the head.

To add to that, the only real places that 120 makes a difference in PvP is where it is YOUR skill vs THEIR skill... for example combat skills, eval(or spirit) vs resists) But given most people don't run resist, eval/spirit is more about damage.

Magery is doable with 110 since in PvP you are mostly throwing around level 1-6 spells. Higher magery does help with heals but it isn't huge(1-3 points between 110 and 120).

Suits can be built by Trammies just as they are built by the PKers. So not having the l33t suit excuse goes out the window.

The only thing that Trammies are at a disadvantage for is experience and desire.

Limlight hits the nail on the head for experience. Go into Fel and work on staying alive. Once you understand how to stay alive, work on killing those evil PKs.

The lack of desire is the only excuse that is left. And if that is the excuse, then the PKs "excuse" of not desiring to PvM for their money is JUST as valid. And as such, they need their own unique way of earning money.. ie scrolls

 

[Limlight]

:-]

and frankly...if the excuses are:
"Its too hard"
"I dont want to put in that kind of effort"

Then stay in Tram. You begged for it...you got it. Stay there and enjoy it.
But dont come complaining when extra stuff is giving to people who are willing to try new things and venture out.

 

[Sephy]

You couldn't be more incorrect. The people who do fel spawns would continue to do them as they always have. The problem would be the devaluation of the scrolls themselves. Noone is going to convince me that being able to control who is at the spawn competing with your prize is going to be given up to join a bunch of trammies for the small chance at a crappy 110 with no protection scrolls. Ridiculous.

The power scrolls should be replaced with items not needed by both playstyles. Champ spawns should give PvP centered rewards. Power scrolls are needed by PvE playstyles and shouldn't be a reward for PvP.

If they put in scrolls in tram the champ spawns would garbage and worthless because of the numbers of people competing for the minute chance at a good scroll from 1 of the 6 that dropped.

I kinda agree and disagree, my point didn't really come out as I ment it so I will try again.

right, people do spawns for even pvp (raids) or scrolls, now if your needing scrolls you will spawn for them, if you need cash you will also spawn to sell scrolls. This makes people come to fel, and this makes people check spawns.

If tram gets scrolls also, then people will be like.. hang on.. we can work this spawn for 20mins to an hour, and as soon as the champ gets up risk being raided and wasting all that hard work OR we can go tram, do the spawn and not have to worry about much apart from other people hitting the champ without you being able to do anything but at least you have a chance to get them, apart from the no chance against the current guild who runs the spawns on your server.

I think more people will have an excuse not to go to fel.

This in turn, effects the people who spawn for PVP or raid spawns, there will be less and less people fel spawning because there sick of being raided at the last min.

This game needs more and more FEL based perks, not less, FEL is starting to lose the battle to TRAM, if you have noticed since the repica's have come out, everyone is doing tram spawns constantly everywhere so they have the chance to get a repica to use / sell, and if your wanting one that drops in fel only then there prolly more likley to sell the replicas they dont want and buy the one they do want.

since replica's tram spawns usage went from less than 0.1% of the uo community doing them to well over 50% heck maybe even more. So the scrolls are gona be dropping like candy meaning a flood in the market, huge price drops so people dont even need to spawn for there 120 scrolls anymore if you can pick them up insanly cheap.

I think just a whole load of things will make it so people will not wana fel spawn (apart from the current guild who runs the server, they will have free run like they always have) but a lack of pvp.. I mean who wants to go to yew gate? we all do it, but we all hate it and would rather pvp out of guards and actually choke fight sometimes

 

[Sephy]

How exactly do you think the person with 120 got to 120?
Because the way I see it, he either:
A. Was 110 like you at one time working for a 120.
B. Bought the 120 from someone else like you are complaining about.

Suit - Can easily be built in tram.
PS - Can buy it or earn it like I explained above. (We all have to earn it)
Experience - How do you get experience? Fighting and PvPing.
pancakes about less experience does you nothing. Fighting/dying gives you experience.

My advice to you. Load up on pots, apples and go to fel...attack someone you think looks weaker than most and practice staying alive more then winning. Develop defensive instincts first and once you have that down....work on killing them.

best advice and how everyone starts out, people should learn and not complain

 

[GalenKnighthawke]

For what it's worth, not much I know, I have gone back and forth on this one.

As of this particular moment, my thinking is that it's cool to see something "from an exotic land" that you never go to.

This means no power scrolls in Trammel, no Doom artifacts in Felucca, etc.

-Galen's player

 

[Wenchkin]

There are 3 barriers. Suit, PS and Experience. If your naked with 0 resists, you not going to last long. If your a 110 archer or 110 dexer, again you are at a RNG disadvantage to a 120 archer or dexer. EA is already allowing people to build decent suits with Faction arties such as uber Crimsons, Ornis etc for cheap. They should extend it to also PS, but they wont for now anyway.

Not true... A thief wearing the most basic suit (mine wears NPC clothing only) and no more than GM skills, is perfectly capable of snagging a scroll at a champ spawn. My lass has added a few insured items as she got better, but when I started out she just kept on running back in there to keep trying.

It takes even less to snag things from the ground

Wenchy