So why no powerscrolls in Tram ruleset spawns?

[Gellor]

To quote myself from the harrower post since it applies here also:

I have yet to see a valid reason presented in this post that explains why it SHOULD be available in tram.

The only "excuse" I've seen presented is "whaaa... those mean reds kill us so we have to pay for them".

In tram, you have dozens of ways to earn the 2.5M(or less) to buy a 25 stat scroll: Doom, peerless, l33t PvM loot, etc.

In fel as a red, you have two ways to earn money: scrolls(stat and skill) and killing each other. A LOT of reds aren't set up for straight PvM nor are there the number of "l33t" monsters in Fel as there is in Tram.

I've been on both sides of this in game: as a blue and a red.

I played in a blue guild(two different actually) and we struggled to get our scrolls but boy were they the sweetest items we got... even if they were 110s

I play in a red guild and we zerged the heck out of everything. The PvP is always fun and as mentioned, the scrolls are one of the few ways to signify the battle is done.

Nothing forced me into a red guild other than the chance to play with some friends. I had and have fun playing both styles.

To add something just for this post:
While scrolls are not purely about the PvP, most PvP guilds do them to have a place to PvP without houses, guardzones, and a method to determine a clear winner of an encounter.

I can't tell you the number of times I've heard "Yew is sucking. Let's got fire up a Despise(or Harrower)". Sometimes it works to get people out of Yew... sometimes it doesn't.

 

[Traveller]

Power scrolls are needed by PvE playstyles

Again this piece of misinfomation. Technically it's correct, PS are required by both playstyles.

But from a practical point of view it's complete disinformation. This is because only up to _+15_ scrolls are _needed_ by pve playstyles. Can you tell me which +15 scroll is not affordable by doing few days of gold farming in trammel?

+20 scrolls are USEFUL for pve, but they do not unlock any new abilty, thus they are not NEEDED.

 

[RichDC]

Again this piece of misinfomation. Technically it's correct, PS are required by both playstyles.

But from a practical point of view it's complete disinformation. This is because only up to _+15_ scrolls are _needed_ by pve playstyles. Can you tell me which +15 scroll is not affordable by doing few days of gold farming in trammel?

+20 scrolls are USEFUL for pve, but they do not unlock any new abilty, thus they are not NEEDED.

Actually...

I agree, from what i can tel the only 120 scrolls pvm's NEED is bushido/parry all others are pretty much essential for PvP though...

PvM can rack up 100%sdi...PvP 22% (with 100 points in inscription) so you defintaly need as much boost as you can get from 120eval mage!

PvM can easily get away with 115(mayb 110) melee with 45%hci and hit every other time, PvP 115 melee against a mage (with the right set up of course)...*ping* *ping* *hit* *ping* *ping*

 

[HD2300]

I agree with the rest of your post, just not this sentence. What would be wrong with a devaluation, meaning making them available to more of the player base? Why should a 120 mage scroll cost 20mil?

why should a crimmy be worth 14?
Why should an orny be worth 10??

BECAUSE THEY ARE SO FRIKING HARD TO GET!!!!

FYI in Fel you can get a better Crimson for 2000 silver and a better Orni for 5000 silver.

 

[RichDC]

FYI in Fel you can get a better Crimson for 2000 silver and a better Orni for 5000 silver.

You still havent explained then with EVERYONE using a faction item ALL pvpers do right!?!

why do they still cost 10+mil??

BECAUSE THERE SO HARD TO GET!!!

 

[Mistura]

Oh dear! Another one of these threads.

Its never going to happen, stop wasting you breath.

Do some research, build a suit, get some mates together and go into fel. Its not as hard as it first seems. You can do it! Keep the faith!

One love
x

 

[HD2300]

You still havent explained then with EVERYONE using a faction item ALL pvpers do right!?!

why do they still cost 10+mil??

BECAUSE THERE SO HARD TO GET!!!

Because there are people are still stupid enough to buy them for 10 mil, but in a years time, because of the more uber faction version, they will be worth what 2000 silver is worth.

 

[Nylan]

Again this piece of misinfomation. Technically it's correct, PS are required by both playstyles.

But from a practical point of view it's complete disinformation. This is because only up to _+15_ scrolls are _needed_ by pve playstyles. Can you tell me which +15 scroll is not affordable by doing few days of gold farming in trammel?

+20 scrolls are USEFUL for pve, but they do not unlock any new abilty, thus they are not NEEDED.

Actually...

I agree, from what i can tel the only 120 scrolls pvm's NEED is bushido/parry all others are pretty much essential for PvP though...

PvM can rack up 100%sdi...PvP 22% (with 100 points in inscription) so you defintaly need as much boost as you can get from 120eval mage!

PvM can easily get away with 115(mayb 110) melee with 45%hci and hit every other time, PvP 115 melee against a mage (with the right set up of course)...*ping* *ping* *hit* *ping* *ping*

Most of my characters have 115 magery, and I can not believe how often they can fizzle at level 8 spells. Regardless of which of my characters I am on I try and rez others all the time and can fail several times in a row.

 

[RichDC]

Because there are people are still stupid enough to buy them for 10 mil, but in a years time, because of the more uber faction version, they will be worth what 2000 silver is worth.

Not at all your completely wrong...first of, the majority of PvPers i have the unfortune of meeting are NOT in factions and probably wont ever go in faction!!

Plus the MAJORITY of people are trammies so the Demand isnt really going to be affected at all...

The reason they are so expensive is simple Supply (VERY low) and demand (VERY high)

This wont change!!

You just seem to want everything handed on a silver platter!!

I am a trammy but i dont moan about getting pk'd never have never will...Its only a game after all...who really cares about losing some pixilated stacks of gold???

Go and get out there WORK for what you want!!!

 

[HD2300]

Plus the MAJORITY of people are trammies so the Demand isnt really going to be affected at all...

You would be right if Faction items cant be used in Trammel.

 

[Traveller]

I agree, from what i can tel the only 120 scrolls pvm's NEED is bushido/parry

?? Why would bushido/parry be needed at 120 for pvm?

all others are pretty much essential for PvP though...

Obviously. Never contested that.

 

[Wenchkin]

Because there are people are still stupid enough to buy them for 10 mil, but in a years time, because of the more uber faction version, they will be worth what 2000 silver is worth.

Ah, the stupid people. And that pesky 2k silver! What terrors will befall UO next?!

What is preventing you from using gold to buy the items you want?
Nothing

How are players like you blocked from making a thief to steal scrolls, or working the spawns like other players?
You're not.

I offered a simple and more efficient method where you'd get the scroll you wanted straight off and yet that's not good enough. >2k silver = bad mojo. Can't do >2k silver.

Isn't it funny, when you dangle an easy, convenient and simple way for a Tram player to power up their character, they're surprisingly reluctant to agree to it. I suppose it's not as satisfying if you can't screw up Fel at the same time. Or if it takes a degree of effort to farm gold. Odd though, because Tram folks seem to have the gold for other things, and they seem able to go out and hunt monsters the rest of the time. Tram merchants certainly don't charge a mere 2k silver for an arty, even a taskmaster costs more than that!

Maybe you could at least try a little compromise to find a solution that suits Fel and Tram. I think that might be a wee bit easier to achieve than trying to score PS at Fel's expense or shooting for a Tram only shard. Then you can save that 2k silver for something really important.

/sarcasm

Wenchy

 

[Prince Caspian]

Since this merry go round never resolves itself, instead of posting more about this, I am instead going to use the space to post a recipe.

Cod Parmesan
-=-=-=-=-=-=

You will need:
3-4 cod fillets
1 cup of bread crumbs (plain)
1 cup of parmesan cheese (powdered)
3 cups of milk
1 large onion
2 teaspoons of garlic salt
Dash of pepper
olive oil
1 large baking pan
A container about the length of the fillets
Large mixing bowl


Instructions:
1. Fill the container with milk, and place the fillets inside. Let them soak for at least 30 minutes.
2. Meanwhile, in the large mixing bowl, mix the crumbs, cheese, salt and pepper.
3. Dice the onion.
4. Coat the bottom of the pan lightly with olive oil
5. Scatter some onions and bread crumb mix over the oil.
6. Take the milk-soaked fish and coat them generously in the bread crumb mix.
7. Place the fillets in the pan and cover them with the diced onions.
8. Cook at 325 degrees for about 30 minutes.

Suggested sides: Creamed spinach, au gratin potatoes, french cut green beans.

 

[phantus]

Power scrolls are needed by PvE playstyles

Again this piece of misinfomation. Technically it's correct, PS are required by both playstyles.

But from a practical point of view it's complete disinformation. This is because only up to _+15_ scrolls are _needed_ by pve playstyles. Can you tell me which +15 scroll is not affordable by doing few days of gold farming in trammel?

+20 scrolls are USEFUL for pve, but they do not unlock any new abilty, thus they are not NEEDED.

Bards and tamers need 120 scrolls to be effective in UO. It's all arguable but it's a moot point. We all know it's not gonna happen regardless because if they removed the scrolls without adding something equally coveted fel would die. 40% of the players is far too many to lose.

 

[Nexus]

I agree, from what i can tel the only 120 scrolls pvm's NEED is bushido/parry

?? Why would bushido/parry be needed at 120 for pvm?

Tank a peerless while your Tamer buddies go and get rezed. You'll see how useful 120 bushido/parry is.

all others are pretty much essential for PvP though...

Obviously. Never contested that.

I'll contest it. The benefits of having that extra 5 points of skill over 115 can make a huge difference in small groups of players in PvM. 5 points is the difference between a fizzle and a rez at a peerless. That 5 points is a 3% increase in Parry success when using Bushido which can equate to that last second needed for a bandage to fire. It's increased Hit Chance for the Sammy in Vamp form that relies on Life Leech to heal.

 

[Duskofdead]

All I seem to hear is that the spawns are about the PvP, not the money... Anyone who genuinely cares about PvP will still go to Fel and kill each other anyway, so what harm is brought by making scrolls available in Tram rulesets?

I think they're full of it if they say that, lol. Those magery power scrolls are still being gouged for 8-13 million gold on my shard.

 

[Duskofdead]

Bards and tamers need 120 scrolls to be effective in UO. It's all arguable but it's a moot point. We all know it's not gonna happen regardless because if they removed the scrolls without adding something equally coveted fel would die. 40% of the players is far too many to lose.

Fel's already pretty dead.

I think assigning 40% of the playerbase to Fel is wildly over-generous.

 

[Traveller]

Tank a peerless while your Tamer buddies go and get rezed. You'll see how useful 120 bushido/parry is.

The benefits of having that extra 5 points of skill over 115 can make a huge difference in small groups of players in PvM. 5 points is the difference between a fizzle and a rez at a peerless. That 5 points is a 3% increase in Parry success when using Bushido which can equate to that last second needed for a bandage to fire. It's increased Hit Chance for the Sammy in Vamp form that relies on Life Leech to heal.

I rest my case. I can see many useful things there, but nothing essential. No locked abilities just an improvement in percentages, in a forest of "can", "3%", etc...

 

[Duskofdead]

I rest my case. I can see many useful things there, but nothing essential. No locked abilities just an improvement in percentages, in a forest of "can", "3%", etc...

Have you ever fought these mobs? Every bit of improved percentages helps.

I mean, sure, as an alternative, you could just get 40 0xGM characters to fling themselves in waves at it.. but ... c'mon.

Saying "it CAN be done without any 120'ing" is rather flippant considering the game design's challenge level with ther hardest mobs, clearly counts on you having the 120's, and even then you may die.

 

[Bardie]

STOP THESE F'N POSTS GEEZ!:gun: either buy them or grow a pair and get em yourself stop crying...

 

[Duskofdead]

STOP THESE F'N POSTS GEEZ!:gun: either buy them or grow a pair and get em yourself stop crying...

Stop the whines about "bring back open griefing" :gun: Wait, did it work?

 

[lucitus]

The Devs give you a chance to get more than gold at the trammel spwans, but that is not enough for the Trammy, you give him your hand and he wants the whole arm!

Whats wrong here? Nearly everyday another cry thread?

 

[Limlight]

I love how people keep bringing up the benefits of Faction items but completely ignore:

1. Only can be healed/rezzed by faction players but can be attacked by anyone.
2. They will go into stat and basically be worthless for like 30 minutes if they die to a faction player.

Seriously, you guys keep bringing up stuff and ignoring their negatives.

Trammies should be happy they have Tram. If the games creator had his way you wouldnt even have that...

 

[dukarlo]

I dont understand why Trammelites cry so much about not being able to get powerscrolls. What does a Trammelite even need a 120 scroll to begin with? There is absolutely no reason one needs a 120 in pvm. 115s are available very cheap. Powerscrolls are just one small part of building a character. Every other aspect of character building is available in Trammel. If you want a 120 scroll that bad either go do a spawn and take your chances of being pked, or you can actually socialize and go find a good crew of peeps to do a spawn with(you may actually make friends and learn something about pvp) or buy them in Trammel. The bottom line is they are available to anyone who wants to work for it whether earned or bought.

 

[Ender]

120's are more than just useful in PvM... Ever tried resurrection at below 120 magery? Christ, I have 115 magery and still fizzle four, five times in a row. That's like, 20 seconds or so that I should be able to do something else.

Also, for tamers. 120 vet, lore, and taming gives 3 additional stable slots, which are more than a bit useful. At least, if the pets were balanced right. <_< There's a limit on how many "Weapons" a tamer can have that depends on their skill. Where's the limit on how many weapons a warrior can carry? (holy **** did I just say nerf warriors/defend tamers?)

And, playing on Great Lakes, pretty much everyone that's any kind of decent in PvP or works well with others is already in a guild, and you know how ****ed the PvP is (was? haven't really played in a while) on GL. lol @ thinking you can just get together a group to go do a champ spawn while some of the big bad red guilds use ghost cams, but then again, this is Stratics UHall, people don't really seem to get ideas through their heads very well.

And lol DC is a joke but eh.

 

[lucitus]

120's are more than just useful in PvM... Ever tried resurrection at below 120 magery? Christ, I have 115 magery and still fizzle four, five times in a row. That's like, 20 seconds or so that I should be able to do something else.

Also, for tamers. 120 vet, lore, and taming gives 3 additional stable slots, which are more than a bit useful. At least, if the pets were balanced right. <_< There's a limit on how many "Weapons" a tamer can have that depends on their skill. Where's the limit on how many weapons a warrior can carry? (holy **** did I just say nerf warriors/defend tamers?)

And, playing on Great Lakes, pretty much everyone that's any kind of decent in PvP or works well with others is already in a guild, and you know how ****ed the PvP is (was? haven't really played in a while) on GL. lol @ thinking you can just get together a group to go do a champ spawn while some of the big bad red guilds use ghost cams, but then again, this is Stratics UHall, people don't really seem to get ideas through their heads very well.

And lol DC is a joke but eh.

Ahh and Great Lakes is the only american shard iam right?

 

[Ender]

Ahh and Great Lakes is the only american shard iam right?

It's the only one I play on... And I'm pretty sure PvP isn't just screwed on Great Lakes.

 

[HD2300]

Bards and tamers need 120 scrolls to be effective in UO. It's all arguable but it's a moot point. We all know it's not gonna happen regardless because if they removed the scrolls without adding something equally coveted fel would die. 40% of the players is far too many to lose.

Yes it is unlikely it will change. The balance has shifted in the last 2 years. Maybe it is the PvP mindset at Mythic. DAoC and WAR are PvP. Rewards and content in UO now heavily favour PvP.

There is going to be a shakeup in the market soon. I believe UOs future is brighter when focusing on PvE and retaining and building on this majority of its subscribers. The MMORPG market is roughly 90% PvE, 10% PvP. It is the 90% PvE that UO should target. So it just makes sense to ensure that this majority are happy and have a rewarding end game.

 

[phantus]

Bards and tamers need 120 scrolls to be effective in UO. It's all arguable but it's a moot point. We all know it's not gonna happen regardless because if they removed the scrolls without adding something equally coveted fel would die. 40% of the players is far too many to lose.

Yes it is unlikely it will change. The balance has shifted in the last 2 years. Maybe it is the PvP mindset at Mythic. DAoC and WAR are PvP. Rewards and content in UO now heavily favour PvP.

There is going to be a shakeup in the market soon. I believe UOs future is brighter when focusing on PvE and retaining and building on this majority of its subscribers. The MMORPG market is roughly 90% PvE, 10% PvP. It is the 90% PvE that UO should target. So it just makes sense to ensure that this majority are happy and have a rewarding end game.

Some of you are underestimating the number of PvP subscribers in games. It's closer to 30% in many MMO's. FPS have bled into the market and MMO producers are trying their best to tap into that market and gain some of those players.

You did hit on something rather important though. UO is gearing more toward PvP and has been on this track more keenly since the acquisition of Mythic. It's no secret that Mythic RvR garbage they spew into every game they produce is trying to make some type of foothold. They are trying to play both sides of the fence and gain back some of the subs they used to have by catering to those like the pvp style of play.

I'm reminded of the story of the dog with a steak. The dog walks down to the river to get a drink but when he looks over the side he sees another dog with a steak. He thinks he can quickly drop his steak and grab the other dogs steak thus having 2 steaks. He is, of course, looking at his reflection and loses the one steak he had. It remains to be seen if Mythic is trying for 2 steaks or not.

 

[Traveller]

Have you ever fought these mobs? Every bit of improved percentages helps.

You said yourself. It HELPS. And that is all. It is harder, it's not impossible. Everybody here trying to say the opposite is proving my point. Go right ahead guys, way to go.

Really, try to check the dictionary about the meaning of words like "needed". Most people seem to be oblivious of the difference between a "need" and a "help".

 

[phantus]

You said yourself. It HELPS. And that is all. It is harder, it's not impossible. Everybody here trying to say the opposite is proving my point. Go right ahead guys, way to go.

You're idea that PvE doesn't need 120 scrolls is nothing short of ridiculous and not worthy of debate nor is it even relevant to the topic. Way to go.

 

[Duskofdead]

You said yourself. It HELPS. And that is all. It is harder, it's not impossible. Everybody here trying to say the opposite is proving my point. Go right ahead guys, way to go.

Really, try to check the dictionary about the meaning of words like "needed". Most people seem to be oblivious of the difference between a "need" and a "help".

If you want to get completely myopic, fine, I can dance that one. You don't "need" scrolls for PvP either. Go out there with 0xGm. I mean, you CAN right? You don't need the scrolls. They just HELP.

So do you have an argument, other than basically sneering that "we got 'em, you don't, why you want 'em anyway?"

 

[dukarlo]

The fact is you dont need to step 1 foot into Fel to aquire a scroll. Why are people crying when you can pvm in Trammel till your hearts content and aquire a scroll. How? Simply use your profits from pvm in Trammel to buy or barter a scroll in Trammel. I dont pvm in Trammel ever because i cant stand the ruleset. How do i aquire arties or a crimson or whatever else I need for pvp? I barter with the scrolls i get. If your argument is you cant do a spawn thats a load of bs because there are spawns in Trammel. Just no scrolls as the loot. I guarantee by pvming in Trammel one can use there brain a little and figure a way to get a scroll without ever having to face a big bad pk. Go do a peerless, a crimson is worth more than any scroll. Go to doom, an orny is probably tradable for any scroll one desires etc. and those items arent available in Fel. The trammies wanting scrolls argument is just getting repetetive and dumb.

 

[Duskofdead]

The fact is you dont need to step 1 foot into Fel to aquire a scroll. Why are people crying when you can pvm in Trammel till your hearts content and aquire a scroll. How? Simply use your profits from pvm in Trammel to buy or barter a scroll in Trammel. I dont pvm in Trammel ever because i cant stand the ruleset.

The only thing different in ruleset between Tram and Fel for PvM is looting other people's kills. That's what you can't stand?

 

[Limlight]

I could do Mel's in fel...I choose not too.

I choose to earn PS's and sell those for money to supply my PvP chars...

You choose to fight in Tram to earn money and buy things.

Stop whining.

By the way...anyone who says you cant do a spawn with a trammel guild is lying.

Great Lakes is crap compared to Atlantic in PvP. Atlantic is full of the most ghost cams and the most cheaters and exploiters and there are still blue guilds that are able to pull off spawns.

Get a brain and some creativity.

Do an Island spawn....do a Tortoise..do a Damwin..do a Bog..do a Khaldun...

Geez...I have done about 3 Coon Spawns at Khaldun in the last 2 months solo...spawn...and Champ...and thats at like 8 PM Central time on the the biggest shard in UO.

Quit whining you babies and grow a pair.

 

[Nexus]

You said yourself. It HELPS. And that is all. It is harder, it's not impossible. Everybody here trying to say the opposite is proving my point. Go right ahead guys, way to go.

Really, try to check the dictionary about the meaning of words like "needed". Most people seem to be oblivious of the difference between a "need" and a "help".

You don't Need 120 fencing to equip a kryss and attempt to beat someone upside the head with it either but it HELPS

 

[Brian Bóruma]

Didn't read all the replies


But risk vs reward. If you want the Power Scrolls go to Fel and fight for them. Otherwise buy them in Luna.

 

[Traveller]

You're idea that PvE doesn't need 120 scrolls is nothing short of ridiculous

What is really sad is that you are not trolling, you really believe that, do you? Good god... I suppose that the fact that I am doing peerless with one or two firends, with every char without a single 120 is downright impossible then, right? I must be delusional. Or maybe the delusional one is the "need" brigade?

Or your definition of "need" is "I can't solo that peerless so I need a 120"? Maybe you might want to pay for your uberness toys, like everybody else does when buying arties?

Great jumping jehosaphat, I can't even believe people can be so self-centered to believe that they need scrolls otherwise they can't solo something that was not designed to be soloed....

 

[Wenchkin]

What is really sad is that you are not trolling, you really believe that, do you? Good god... I suppose that the fact that I am doing peerless with one or two firends, with every char without a single 120 is downright impossible then, right? I must be delusional. Or maybe the delusional one is you and the rest of the "need" brigade.

Or your definition of "need" is "I can't solo that peerless so I need a 120"? Maybe you might want to pay for your uberness toys, like everybody else does when buying arties?

Great jumping jehosaphat, I can't even believe people can be so self-centered to believe that they need scrolls otherwise they can't solo something that was not designed to be soloed....

I don't think it's so much a case of believing that there is need for 120 anything. More a case of "need" sounding more deserving than "want". It's like the kid with his mum in the store. If he can work up a reason why he "needs" something, he knows that's much stronger than "I want! I want!"

You notice how the "need" for scrolls always gets pushed before the "need" for things like barding difficulty to get reviewed? I mean there are several ways to address an issue with a skill requirement, not just demand the scrolls spawn on your doorstep. Same with the other things that apparently you "need" 120 for. Oh the inhumanity of fizzling a resurrection! I just broke a nail hitting my macro! *sob*

And nobody can buy or steal a scroll in these threads either.

*shakes head sadly*

We need a fix for defeatism... Badly.

Wenchy

 

[phantus]

What is really sad is that you are not trolling, you really believe that, do you? Good god... I suppose that the fact that I am doing peerless with one or two firends, with every char without a single 120 is downright impossible then, right? I must be delusional.?

You aren't delusional. You are making something out of nothing. Not everyone can be as cool as you and Wench. I claim to need 120. I don't care of your opinion on the matter and neither do most of the people who have 120's. I have plenty of characters that survive without 120 in theirs skills.

When I say need it is by my definition and not the game you have decided to play with words in order to make some sort of point. Whatever the hell that might be. I don't play games to be mediocre. I play them to be the best. If I want to be the best bard then I need 120 scrolls. If I want to be the best tamer I need 120 scrolls.

BTW..where did you find the 120 asshat scroll?

 

[Fluffi]

TTL



When are you people going to understand that there are not "Felucca players" and "Trammel players" ??


If I login with my crafter, who is a member of the "Haven Helpers" guild (whos' raison detre is to help newbies by giving them some armour, and taking them hunting), am I a different person to the one who logs-in with my red mage (who will kill you on sight)??

 

[Traveller]

When I say need it is by my definition

QED.

and not the game you have decided to play with words in order to make some sort of point.

You are confusing cause and effect. Someone in this thread made a false statement ("+20 is needed for pvm"). I merely corrected it.

I don't play games to be mediocre. I play them to be the best.

Sure. And feel free to buy the scrolls that will make you best, exactly like pvpers buy arties farmed in trammel to be best at pvp. Or, as you did, do the spawns and conquer them. There is no "NEED" to make scrolls available in trammel just because everybody wants to be "best" (which actually means everybody would be mediocre).

BTW..where did you find the 120 asshat scroll?

I apologize, apparently I was mistaken. You ARE trolling, after all.

 

[phantus]

You are confusing cause and effect. Someone in this thread made a false statement ("+20 is needed for pvm"). I merely corrected it.

Incorrect. You are confusing you're opinion for fact. 20's are needed for PvM. That is as much of an opinion as you're statement they are not. No cause and effect. Simple opinion. Nothing more, nothing less.

Sure. And feel free to buy the scrolls that will make you best, exactly like pvpers buy arties farmed in trammel to be best at pvp. Or, as you did, do the spawns and conquer them. There is no "NEED" to make scrolls available in trammel just because everybody wants to be "best" (which actually means everybody would be mediocre).

Why would I do that? They are easy to get. I think you have me confused with a trammy that doesn't go to fel. That is incorrect. I don't buy scrolls, I sell them.(when they actually sell) Not that most are worth the pixels they are printed on anymore. Being the best has nothing to do with wanting scrolls in tram. They are an outdated reward for fel and should be switched with some other reward. Too many playstyle require them to justify them being allocated to a place where few want(the "want" is a very important term)to get them.

I apologize, apparently I was mistaken. You ARE trolling, after all.

Right on both counts.

 

[Packrat22]

I know that power scrolls are a hot topic. Almost everyday there is a post about them.
1. Ghost cams, 2. cheats being used, 3. one or two guilds overrunning everyone else trying to obtain them. 4. Tram should have them.

You can buy them or fight for them or steal them or find them at IDOC's, but you want them. If you have a +5 you want a +10 or +15 or +20.( or a +25 stat scroll). Most of the time you can not buy the scrolls you want because they are just not available, anywhere.
The demand is not going to go away. Every time UO balances (nerfs) skills, you need to rework your skills. New characters, changes to templates, swapping skills between toons, all use up scrolls.

Rank over, my point of view is, PUT THEM IN TRAMMEL, lower the drop rate by 10%, but leave a chance for all scrolls in Trammel. Everyone farming them in FEL will still be able to sell them because the demand for them is just not being supplied. NOT BEING SUPPLIED!!

 

[Viper09]

Better question:
Why are powerscrolls the only worthwhile PvM rewards in fel?

Why no artifact spawns like Doom, paragons, etc?

 

[Traveller]

Incorrect. You are confusing you're opinion for fact. 20's are needed for PvM. That is as much of an opinion as you're statement they are not.

Good position, but lacking in two respects:

1) People here stated such an opinion as if it were a fact. THIS is what I am reacting.

2) There TWO facts in this discussion, not the only one you seem to stipulate: A) that +20 are useful in pvm; you stipulate to that. B) high-end content can be defeated by two or three players with only +10 or +15. This fact has a specific name in logic: "counter-example". It is enough to invalidate any opinion that would deny it. Of course feel free to open a discussion about the meaning of that the terms "need" and "require" should assume in this forums. Until you get agreement, I will stipulate to a pretty standard definition: A is required to do B, if you cannot accomplish B without A.

Sure. And feel free to buy the scrolls that will make you best, exactly like pvpers buy arties farmed in trammel to be best at pvp. Or, as you did, do the spawns and conquer them. There is no "NEED" to make scrolls available in trammel just because everybody wants to be "best" (which actually means everybody would be mediocre).

Why would I do that? They are easy to get. I think you have me confused with a trammy that doesn't go to fel.

Also, feel free to read the stuff you quote.

 

[RichDC]

It's the only one I play on... And I'm pretty sure PvP isn't just screwed on Great Lakes.

And im pretty sure you dont have a clue what your talking about!!

I have never gona above 110 magery on my tamer...he manages to res near enough EVERY time!!can cast pretty much every spell ALL the time!!

you may consider DC* to be a joke but many of the people (especially all of them in it!) on the shard would say different unless you count the amount of people we constantly annoy by jus being down right better than them at almost every aspect of the game(all except pvp and they even give us respect for not moaning and whining like lil girls why cant we get pwerscrollsleave us along nasty red people!!!)

My point, which you seem to not understand, is that 120 powerscrolls are NOT needed (to be fair not even in PvP) they are usefull yes but not NECCESSARY

 

[Tomas_Bryce]

120's are more than just useful in PvM... Ever tried resurrection at below 120 magery? Christ, I have 115 magery and still fizzle four, five times in a row. That's like, 20 seconds or so that I should be able to do something else.

Exaggerate much?

 

[Maplestone]

I'd point out that character development isn't about need, it's about "there is a path there, it must be followed". A Trammie is likely to want a 120 not because it makes the character better but simply because it is there.

That said, we true blue Trammies simply have a very different endgame for getting scrolls - for us it's about accumulating enough wealth to buy them. It's an economic endgame rather than an adventuring endgame.

Trammies are not going to be impressed with arguments that trash-talk them. It's counter productive in a thread like this, because it's just going to make them more frustrated at having to be depend on PvPers.

Trammies often detest grinding for gold as much as anyone. And if I ever get a crimson, I'd like to keep it rather than sell it.

The whole setup guarentees that there will always be friction between different playstyles, but to any of my fellow Trammies who get frustrated, I would remind you that the character-development requirements of PvP are more extreme than PvM and they don't have many options to play anything that could be called low-end with a less-than-maxed character.

 

[the 4th man]

Pfft there was a lack of tact from a large part of the playerbase before fel. That's why we got Tram.

Before felucca? No, before felucca there was no UO, at an online game.
(typical mentality)
I agree that the playerbase of felucca is the "I'm the bully attitude. I will kill your characters, because I can."

Well....keep your punk smack talk bs, that's why you see mostly (not always)
those large gang-banging guilds raiding champ spawns and monopolizing the racket.

But lo and behold, do your history 1st before you post so you won't look like a jackass...Lord British, or whoever that guy was, had trammel existing long before UO went online.


deal with felly.