you blues have
malas
ish
tokuno
trammel
we have felluca
get over it. you have 4 facets to play on, we have 1... so ya
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Should the Harrower Quest be availabe in Ilsh/Trammel?
- Thread starter Prince Caspian
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you blues have
malas
ish
tokuno
trammel
we have felluca
get over it. you have 4 facets to play on, we have 1... so ya
Why not just let both sides have everything the other side has? A Doom for Reds...Champ Spawns in Trammel...the whole enchilada.
Then, set both sides up just the way each side wants their stuff set up. No Insurance in Fel...can't get drops from Champs coming in late in Trammel...you know...stuff like that...
Then, neither side gets to complain, and natural selection will be the King.
Seems reasonable to me.
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Canucklehead73
Guest
I voted yes but I think there needs to be an alternative.
MY concept would be to allow limited PvP in tram, allow whomever to enter the "quest" for in this instance a Harry in tram, but entering the "quest" you consent to PvP in and only in the champ/quest areas.
This allows for PvP and PK up to a certain point. Some lowly new player or crafter wandering by cannot be blasted to smithereens for giggles but allows for PvP/PvP training. And when your tired of the PvP you just end your quest and become a civilian again.
Who knows if it would work out, how the rules would work, might be issues with spectators, might be issues with idiots etc etc but it might draw more players to at least try PvP.
MY concept would be to allow limited PvP in tram, allow whomever to enter the "quest" for in this instance a Harry in tram, but entering the "quest" you consent to PvP in and only in the champ/quest areas.
This allows for PvP and PK up to a certain point. Some lowly new player or crafter wandering by cannot be blasted to smithereens for giggles but allows for PvP/PvP training. And when your tired of the PvP you just end your quest and become a civilian again.
Who knows if it would work out, how the rules would work, might be issues with spectators, might be issues with idiots etc etc but it might draw more players to at least try PvP.
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We have that now, it's called a moongate.
".....all you need to do....." easier said than done.
I don't see the original poster moaning about anything. The PK's are going to defend having it in Fel.....that's a no-brainer.
The monopoly is what's got it screwed up.
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Canucklehead73
Guest
That is true. I was speaking in the context of trammel though, based on the opinion that a harry should involve PvP, because while I agree we should have to fight for the harry I do not really agree with the free for all aspect of felluca. Nor do I think that the fel/tram split was a good idea and this is kinda along those lines. Moongates sure... but it not all black and white.
Not that I have all the answers, and not all playstyles mesh in the end, but I still think that a few rules are better than segregation in the long run.
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Prince Caspian
Guest
Nope -- if you step through that red moongate, no provisions should apply.
Anything goes in Fel, that's what makes it Fel.
(Another dichotomy some folks can't seem fathom is that someone can be anti-PK yet pro-Fel)
Anything goes in Fel, that's what makes it Fel.
(Another dichotomy some folks can't seem fathom is that someone can be anti-PK yet pro-Fel)
I got into that whole PVP thing and got good at it. Being that, when you have to deal with a cheat or hack doesn't matter how good you are. Fun meter at 0. Stop stroking the need to learn to PVP to enjoy the PVP cat. I've lost enough of argued precious items to fall for the PVP is fun.
Give the damn trammies there Ish dungeon with all the fun paragons to do a Harry in. Just be another gold sink. The Skulls would still need to be gotten in fel and make a market for them for tram harry. And give you something to do while ghosting all the fel champs. And don't get something deco/pretty confused with something useful. Grizzle all deco. Dreadhorn all deco. Tram Champs deco. Doom dead horse, if your hunting there to make gold, time it takes to get something sellable you could of made more farming spine and bone from giant snakes and selling it.
Want something for big PVP ego stroke, twist the new EM's ear. Get an event only fel monthly duals and or battle scenarios. And for the pull to PVP reward a few month account free codes. Hey maybe if pull the Duh Huh lever on all the dyed swampy barding could use that as a reward also for runner ups. An event being watched over will keep the cheats and hacks away so those fed up with it will show.
Give the damn trammies there Ish dungeon with all the fun paragons to do a Harry in. Just be another gold sink. The Skulls would still need to be gotten in fel and make a market for them for tram harry. And give you something to do while ghosting all the fel champs. And don't get something deco/pretty confused with something useful. Grizzle all deco. Dreadhorn all deco. Tram Champs deco. Doom dead horse, if your hunting there to make gold, time it takes to get something sellable you could of made more farming spine and bone from giant snakes and selling it.
Want something for big PVP ego stroke, twist the new EM's ear. Get an event only fel monthly duals and or battle scenarios. And for the pull to PVP reward a few month account free codes. Hey maybe if pull the Duh Huh lever on all the dyed swampy barding could use that as a reward also for runner ups. An event being watched over will keep the cheats and hacks away so those fed up with it will show.
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Cysphruo
Guest
the poll shows how evenly there are diehard fel and tram players, as of right now its both 29 hell yes and hell no.
the last event moderator we had on napa spawned some harrowers and thought he removed that stat scrolls but they ended up dropping insurable stat scrolls getting all fel player in an uproar across all shards.
tram harrowers might be nice but you need specific monsters for specific facets to draw in crowds
true everyone can make a blue and goto tram but the game is about variety, learn something new and goto fel, no im not saying become a red or a pvper but when champs were first introduced i witnessed all of tram come to fel and dominate all reds, its not that hard, especially with most shards being as small as they are, unite your players.
the last event moderator we had on napa spawned some harrowers and thought he removed that stat scrolls but they ended up dropping insurable stat scrolls getting all fel player in an uproar across all shards.
tram harrowers might be nice but you need specific monsters for specific facets to draw in crowds
true everyone can make a blue and goto tram but the game is about variety, learn something new and goto fel, no im not saying become a red or a pvper but when champs were first introduced i witnessed all of tram come to fel and dominate all reds, its not that hard, especially with most shards being as small as they are, unite your players.
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Lore Master
Guest
I think it is a great idea all power scrolls should be available in tram too.
Awesome! All your players are red?you blues have
malas
ish
tokuno
trammel
we have felluca
get over it. you have 4 facets to play on, we have 1... so ya
I think this arguement is kinda pointless if everyone is seperating TRAMMIES and REDS
1. Anyhow, to REDS, they think that TRAMMIES whine about everything of what Fel have and Tram/Ish/Malas doesnt have yet do not go to FEL themselves.
2. To TRAMMIES, they think that Felucca have many things where Trammel dont have.
1. The situation is not all TRAMMIES could go to Fel and do pvp. Due to connectivity issue or number of friends or interest in pvp.
Moreover, FEL people whine about why TRAM have all these items etc while Fel dont have.. Please again DO NOT whine. As every REDs have a BLUE char that could hunt also in the TRAM side area.
The term "TRAMMIES" if used by person who have been in TRAMMEL, Ishenlar, Malas, NO LONGER WORKS. Because he himself is also a "TRAMMIE" at time.
2. For Trammies, whining about why Felucca have this and Trammel not have this.
ALSO, DO NOT WHINE. The point of OSI putting something where Felucca have and Trammel dont have is because OSI wanted more people to participate into pvp actions. If Felucca doesnt have anything Trammel dont have, then you could see today's pvp population may not be as much like before.
This topic have no wrong or no right. It will never get balanced. Some guild are always stronger than the others.
I do agree in some aspect that Harrower should be in Trammel rule set as well except that powerscrolls/stat scrolls should never be distributed in Trammel rule set at all.
Therefore, everyone would have the chance or experience to fight out one of the bosses they have wished to fight for a long time while at the same time not ruining the current pvp aspect side of Felucca.
1. Anyhow, to REDS, they think that TRAMMIES whine about everything of what Fel have and Tram/Ish/Malas doesnt have yet do not go to FEL themselves.
2. To TRAMMIES, they think that Felucca have many things where Trammel dont have.
1. The situation is not all TRAMMIES could go to Fel and do pvp. Due to connectivity issue or number of friends or interest in pvp.
Moreover, FEL people whine about why TRAM have all these items etc while Fel dont have.. Please again DO NOT whine. As every REDs have a BLUE char that could hunt also in the TRAM side area.
The term "TRAMMIES" if used by person who have been in TRAMMEL, Ishenlar, Malas, NO LONGER WORKS. Because he himself is also a "TRAMMIE" at time.
2. For Trammies, whining about why Felucca have this and Trammel not have this.
ALSO, DO NOT WHINE. The point of OSI putting something where Felucca have and Trammel dont have is because OSI wanted more people to participate into pvp actions. If Felucca doesnt have anything Trammel dont have, then you could see today's pvp population may not be as much like before.
This topic have no wrong or no right. It will never get balanced. Some guild are always stronger than the others.
I do agree in some aspect that Harrower should be in Trammel rule set as well except that powerscrolls/stat scrolls should never be distributed in Trammel rule set at all.
Therefore, everyone would have the chance or experience to fight out one of the bosses they have wished to fight for a long time while at the same time not ruining the current pvp aspect side of Felucca.
This has to be one of the most idiotic arguments I've read yet on stratics.
Everyone knows goddamn well that Reds also have blue characters that enjoy all the benefits that are in Trammel.
Your only making a fool out of yourself trying to argue that players who have Reds don't get the same benefits on Trammel with their blue characters.
Gimme a break...
Definitely Yes. It is PvMers that are the majority and PvMers that are keeping the servers running.
If this cant be done, then just like you can get uber faction crimsons, uber faction crystalline rings and uber faction doom arties for peanuts in Fel, you should also be able to get 120 powerscrolls and stats scrolls for peanuts in Trammel too.
If this cant be done, then just like you can get uber faction crimsons, uber faction crystalline rings and uber faction doom arties for peanuts in Fel, you should also be able to get 120 powerscrolls and stats scrolls for peanuts in Trammel too.
The Harrower isnt even hard to kill - it takes 1-2 chars. The reason you see so many people there has nothing to do with the Harrower and everything to do with the PvP. People say "Hey, nothing going on, lets pop a Harry and start a fight!" People TELL the opposing guild(s) that they are doing it! If you guys really think its about the scrolls you are deluded. The scrolls are just the prize for winning, not for killing the monster.
ya cause osi and now ea has catered to every trammies needs. i have been hear since day 1. when osi was around and made trammel i almost threw up and most guys did quit.
for those of us who hasnt we have seen facet after facet made, events, certain items only attainable in blue facets. anythign in felluca a blue can come get freely at anytime and leave. so that means i have to make a blue just to get them? no way that was ever right to begin with.
you trammies have no idea what it has been like to play this game and deal with every hitch that has been put on us over the last 11 yrs. just one example do you guys know what stat loss is? we actually use to LOOSE skill points permantly on characters after having died with 4 or more short terms. yet we have to sit here day after day pub after pub doing this or that and havent squat done to balance our aspect of the game but in a trammel facet if a sheep turns the wrong color oh boy devs get on it like sh@t on stink. so dont even go there. just go look pub after pub and see all teh fixs doen to trammie junk. makes me sick.
anything in this game can be bought if you have gold. and wouldnt ya know it pk's have more money than anyone least i do. do ya knwo why? THE GAME WAS BUILT WITH OUR RULESET NOT YOURS ... but anyhow many of my friends do not possess the gold so they have to make blues to go to your facets and get the items.. tell me thats fair?
blues can come to felluca and get powerscrolls for no price what so ever. so again i say,
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Arch Magus
Guest
harrower "quest"?
its a quest now?
its a quest now?
I voted that I didn't care.
Mainly because I know it's going to happen eventually. At least a powerscroll spawn that is.
But seriously. The harrower and the powerscroll spawns are the ONLY thing that fel has that makes it unique in terms of PvM!
Yeah there is more gold and resources to gather in fel, and really I don't care if that gets moved over to tram or not. But as I said before:
If Tram gets a Harrower and powerscroll spawn, give fel all the things that makes tram unique in terms of PvM. If tram wants everything that makes fel unique in PvM, then lets just go ahead and make PvM equal on BOTH facets.
Mainly because I know it's going to happen eventually. At least a powerscroll spawn that is.
But seriously. The harrower and the powerscroll spawns are the ONLY thing that fel has that makes it unique in terms of PvM!
Yeah there is more gold and resources to gather in fel, and really I don't care if that gets moved over to tram or not. But as I said before:
If Tram gets a Harrower and powerscroll spawn, give fel all the things that makes tram unique in terms of PvM. If tram wants everything that makes fel unique in PvM, then lets just go ahead and make PvM equal on BOTH facets.
Right on! Good to know ya! =) I know a few folks like you.
Haha. I knew a guy on Atl that made GM Chef by cutting up his victims body parts back in the day and cooking them. Nothing like a mad red chef with a cleaver out chasing you for dinner or a red smithy with a hammer I suppose. =P
I honestly don't have a problem with cool players (red or blue) but the greifers are a pain in the arse. I've had red chars but solely on dishing out justice when there was only Fel. (I had a box of heads lol). What I miss is the one on one or two on one fighting. I don't even see the sport in fighting someone who isn't into it or ganking someone with 14 other players so I don't engage in that type of play. So far upon my return all I have found are gank squads...with the exception of an awesome battle over a castle in Fel a few mths back that was the only semi-decently matched fight I've seen. Something else I don't understand, we were fighting a red tamer at the castle no problem while he was using a g drag but I suppose that's a different thread.
Wow I got waaay off topic there folks. Carry on!
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Lady Narsil
Guest
You do realize that there are alot of us that are red and pvp that are not in factions, so most of the items you are talking about are worthless to us.
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RichDC
Guest
I voted no a while ago but dont think i properly explained why,
As a trammy guild very big into PvM we know full well we could easily tear through the harrower...
However, we know FULL well that we couldnt hold of the hordes of people wanting to take it from us...
Surely then i want it in tram you may say...but then what would we have to aim for???
As a guild we want to improve (while maintaining our integrity) and be able to compete multi faceted, therefore we need to have some kind of direction to travel as a unit (over 250strong unit 5th biggest in all UO) if everything was handed to us in trammel then what would be the point???
we as a guild could farm it all in days make billions and...
...
...
...Then what?
I for one enjoy the fun of tryin to hold even simple spawns, and on a fair few occasions now have had to sit on a boat or something similar to burn a count and go blue again!
As a trammy guild very big into PvM we know full well we could easily tear through the harrower...
However, we know FULL well that we couldnt hold of the hordes of people wanting to take it from us...
Surely then i want it in tram you may say...but then what would we have to aim for???
As a guild we want to improve (while maintaining our integrity) and be able to compete multi faceted, therefore we need to have some kind of direction to travel as a unit (over 250strong unit 5th biggest in all UO) if everything was handed to us in trammel then what would be the point???
we as a guild could farm it all in days make billions and...
...
...
...Then what?
I for one enjoy the fun of tryin to hold even simple spawns, and on a fair few occasions now have had to sit on a boat or something similar to burn a count and go blue again!
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LIL DON
Guest
I dont see any harm in putting harrower in tram ilsh if the stat scrolls dont drop. Seems that most people are saying "dont take my cash cow" but if no scrolls drop its same as all tram ilsh spawns. But the skulls would need to be different than the fel ones to avoid tram skull farming.
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RichDC
Guest
Dont know if this was referrin to me or not but either way...
Im not saying dont take my cash cow, having never even been to one, im saying dont take our motivation to get good and get one up on the PvP guilds!!
Atm its the only thing that me personally cant do with one other person or solo!!
Keep the community by bringing them together making them work as a united front (some united against)!!
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Gellor
Guest
I have yet to see a valid reason presented in this post that explains why it SHOULD be available in tram.
The only "excuse" I've seen presented is "whaaa... those mean reds kill us so we have to pay for them".
In tram, you have dozens of ways to earn the 2.5M(or less) to buy a 25 stat scroll: Doom, peerless, l33t PvM loot, etc.
In fel as a red, you have two ways to earn money: scrolls(stat and skill) and killing each other. A LOT of reds aren't set up for straight PvM nor are there the number of "l33t" monsters in Fel as there is in Tram.
I've been on both sides of this in game: as a blue and a red.
I played in a blue guild(two different actually) and we struggled to get our scrolls but boy were they the sweetest items we got... even if they were 110s:bowdown:
I play in a red guild and we zerged the heck out of everything. The PvP is always fun and as mentioned, the scrolls are one of the few ways to signify the battle is done.
Nothing forced me into a red guild other than the chance to play with some friends. I had and have fun playing both styles.
The only "excuse" I've seen presented is "whaaa... those mean reds kill us so we have to pay for them".
In tram, you have dozens of ways to earn the 2.5M(or less) to buy a 25 stat scroll: Doom, peerless, l33t PvM loot, etc.
In fel as a red, you have two ways to earn money: scrolls(stat and skill) and killing each other. A LOT of reds aren't set up for straight PvM nor are there the number of "l33t" monsters in Fel as there is in Tram.
I've been on both sides of this in game: as a blue and a red.
I played in a blue guild(two different actually) and we struggled to get our scrolls but boy were they the sweetest items we got... even if they were 110s:bowdown:
I play in a red guild and we zerged the heck out of everything. The PvP is always fun and as mentioned, the scrolls are one of the few ways to signify the battle is done.
Nothing forced me into a red guild other than the chance to play with some friends. I had and have fun playing both styles.
I say yes but without the stat scrolls. They should be for fel only.
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Prince Caspian
Guest
I was there too. And granted, it's hilarious when some trammie cries about losing a power scroll he farmed for an hour. My best friend lost a friggin CASTLE of stuff back in 99 because someone got his key. Literally over a year of work gone in the blink of an eye.
PKs held the community TIGHTLY under their thumb back in the day, and the only way you could feasibly go out into the wilderness was if you had a band for protections. Dungeons -- forget it. They were deathtraps. I still remember the flight-or-fight kicking in for real any time we got a red-name bum rush on the screen.
Face it, SixUnder, compared to those days, UO is always going to be Candyland. I mean you risk nothing any more. One night I realized that the money I lost on insurance due to PKs combined over the last 10 trips to Fel was easily made up in like 5 minutes on a slow Trammel spawn.
But I always maintained the real unspoken reason the PKs hated the shard split was because they lost their easy victims. The people who chose not to PK, and who got squashed in a match that had very, very little doubt in the outcome and robbed.
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LIL DON
Guest
Lets take a look at this. 2.5 mil for a stat scroll? not a 25 stat scroll more like 4-5 m and if scrolls did not drop on a tram harrower why would this matter? the trammies wouldnt get the PK's pie. Putting the Harrower in trammel woudlnt stop people who would do it in fel from doing it. It would give people close to leaving another reason to log in for a while making EA a few more $ and that is what its all about anyway.I have yet to see a valid reason presented in this post that explains why it SHOULD be available in tram.
The only "excuse" I've seen presented is "whaaa... those mean reds kill us so we have to pay for them".
In tram, you have dozens of ways to earn the 2.5M(or less) to buy a 25 stat scroll: Doom, peerless, l33t PvM loot, etc.
In fel as a red, you have two ways to earn money: scrolls(stat and skill) and killing each other. A LOT of reds aren't set up for straight PvM nor are there the number of "l33t" monsters in Fel as there is in Tram.
I've been on both sides of this in game: as a blue and a red.
I play in a red guild and we zerged the heck out of everything. The PvP is always fun and as mentioned, the scrolls are one of the few ways to signify the battle is done.
What is the arguement against the harrower being in tram ruleset? If it is the new harrower only arties then make him drop only shared items in tram.
I don't think I understand the arguments given here. It seems to me that by moving all champ spawns (including the harrower) to both facets, everyone would have more fun. PvM'rs could farm the champs without the hassel of being PK'd (which is why most "trammies" avoid Fel in the first place). And PvP'rs could have more epic battles in Fel, by fighting other PvP'rs who want, and are skilled in, PvP.
Seems to me that the only real argument to keep any particular resource exclusively in Fel is so PK's can have easy loot by killing PvM'rs unskilled in PvP... and isn't that pretty much the same thing the "trammies" are being accused of? Wanting easy loot?
Using the economy as an argument seems moot to me. The economy in UO is screwed. And placing equal amounts of champs spawns on both Facets isn't going to change anything other than people being able to stick to their preferred playstyle... both PvP as well as PvM.
Seems to me that the only real argument to keep any particular resource exclusively in Fel is so PK's can have easy loot by killing PvM'rs unskilled in PvP... and isn't that pretty much the same thing the "trammies" are being accused of? Wanting easy loot?
Using the economy as an argument seems moot to me. The economy in UO is screwed. And placing equal amounts of champs spawns on both Facets isn't going to change anything other than people being able to stick to their preferred playstyle... both PvP as well as PvM.
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RichDC
Guest
ill be honest i dont see the arguments for change...
why fix something (and possibly the only thing) that isnt broken???
each facet has there unique rewards and suits the playstyles of the participants,
Both blues and reds can make money equally and have fun doing it, so why is there need for change?
why fix something (and possibly the only thing) that isnt broken???
each facet has there unique rewards and suits the playstyles of the participants,
Both blues and reds can make money equally and have fun doing it, so why is there need for change?
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Gellor
Guest
Still haven't seen a valid argument on why scrolls(skill or stat) should be moved to Tram. All I see is "whaa... evil red PKers are killing me" as an argument. I've presented three solutions to get scrolls safely: buy scrolls, bribe the guilds, or ask guilds for protection.
I suppose if scrolls were available in tram you'd volunteer to give away artifacts and other tram only goods?
I still think the funniest solution I've read to this argument is create a trammy only shard and have a no transfer off rule
If they did implement scrolls in tram, then the complaint would be "whaaa, this guy came up and STOLE my scroll by waiting until the champ popped before attacking"
Hehe. Ok, the argument to not fix something that isn't broken is about the only valid argument I can see.
My only counter argument would be that the change would equal more fun for all. But otherwise, yes... I can agree with ya.
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Limlight
Guest
Yeah, because Trammie Blues cant make a red or take their blue to fel?
lol...you are a pronk.
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Turdnugget
Guest
I think adding powerscrolls to Tram ruleset would hurt supply and demand.
It's been stated before the benefits of what you can do in Tram w/little to no risk.
Sure you can get faction arties... but not all PvPers are die hard faction fighters on all their characters and still need Doom arties. PvPers need good weapons/armor/jewels to survive in the field. All of the Peerless bosses in Tram ruleset drop those items. Sure you can do a Mel in Felucca... with the risk of getting raided at the end. You can easily makes millions in gold in Trammel w/out any risk other than a couple death robes here and there.
Trammies and those PvPers who also PvM benefit from what goes on in Trammel, people get good weapons, they put them on their vendors etc... PvPers buy those weapons to use in PvP.
In Felucca people do spawns to get skill/stat scrolls. If they don't use them, they sell them on their vendors. Trammies then buy those scrolls for their own use.
So Trammies/Feluccans rely on each other for their different needs. Especially those that are die hard Trammies or die hard Feluccans.
If you put powerscrolls in Trammel, there would be no need for supply and demand between the two facets.
When this game first started it was one facet. People learned to deal. Why can't that happen today? My dad always played a crafter...he did PvM... didn't care much for PvP. But when he got attacked he'd defend himself. It's a part of the game.
If you want everything handed to you and given an easy button... There's shards where you can go and get that and live in your happy little realm.
It's been stated before the benefits of what you can do in Tram w/little to no risk.
Sure you can get faction arties... but not all PvPers are die hard faction fighters on all their characters and still need Doom arties. PvPers need good weapons/armor/jewels to survive in the field. All of the Peerless bosses in Tram ruleset drop those items. Sure you can do a Mel in Felucca... with the risk of getting raided at the end. You can easily makes millions in gold in Trammel w/out any risk other than a couple death robes here and there.
Trammies and those PvPers who also PvM benefit from what goes on in Trammel, people get good weapons, they put them on their vendors etc... PvPers buy those weapons to use in PvP.
In Felucca people do spawns to get skill/stat scrolls. If they don't use them, they sell them on their vendors. Trammies then buy those scrolls for their own use.
So Trammies/Feluccans rely on each other for their different needs. Especially those that are die hard Trammies or die hard Feluccans.
If you put powerscrolls in Trammel, there would be no need for supply and demand between the two facets.
When this game first started it was one facet. People learned to deal. Why can't that happen today? My dad always played a crafter...he did PvM... didn't care much for PvP. But when he got attacked he'd defend himself. It's a part of the game.
If you want everything handed to you and given an easy button... There's shards where you can go and get that and live in your happy little realm.
Short and simple so even the most challenged can understand my answer; Hell No!
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LIL DON
Guest
Where did anyone say put powerscrolls in tram? No one said that the question is Should the Harrower Quest be availabe in Ilsh/Trammel?
NOT Should powerscrolls be taken away from the sodomites err Feluccans
I am a Felluccan but enjoy tramel things aswell. My Blue trammie guild has completed a harrower with guarding from a "allied" PK guild. It was fun but would have been equally as fun in tram.
To some of the arguments on here... Nothing is stopping the Red PvPer from making a PvM to get some of the Tram items they need. What stops people from tram from advancing in UO is the fact they don't want to work for hours and hours through SEVERAL spawns to lose all their work each time in less than 5 minutes to anti-social behavior - in which some cases involve heavy cheating.
True, when I originally voted I thought it was to put a non-stat scroll dropping harrower (for replica's only).
like Skull of Greed (fel)/Skull of Greed (tram) type senerio.
I choose the "I don't care option".
In the past I would have been with the "HELL NO" crowd, but in the last couple of years I've really gotten tired of all the speedhacking cheaters that inhabit Fel and due to their immature, win at all cost attitudes I say screw them... Much like the Tram/Fel split they will be getting what they deserve.
In the past I would have been with the "HELL NO" crowd, but in the last couple of years I've really gotten tired of all the speedhacking cheaters that inhabit Fel and due to their immature, win at all cost attitudes I say screw them... Much like the Tram/Fel split they will be getting what they deserve.
Its been said many times scrolls will stay in felucca. Why not add a harrower to tram or ilsh without the scrolls. Be a place to get use to doing the harrower for players who have no idea how to do one. Also the new items that only spawn on the felucca harrower will also stay on the felucca harrower. If players want the scrolls, and new items then they will have to go do the felucca harrower.
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You know I see them as you just did throwing all those things up as their first line of defense when this topic is brought up. The answer though is that there is nothing stopping them. I know very few players who strictly operate in Felucca. I know many who prefer it though, but they have Blues that do all those things you just mentioned. Furthermore I'd like to add as always, that I support Reds being able to enter all facets, as long as they are restricted to the rule set of said facet. But the one ultimate underlying truth that almost every PvPer wants to shy away from or twist and attempt to throw back in the faces of the dreaded "trammies" is that it is true we cannot force them to PvM, if we wish to experience UO in all it's PVM aspects and rewards (you get PS and Stat Scrolls from killing Mosters = PvM) they can Force us to PvP.
Considering that I think the PvM community has every right to gripe and complain. It's ok that you can completely ignore me and my play style but if I want to enjoy all the possible rewards of my Play Style, I have to be subjected to yours?
The arguments on how to prevent this are moot in some cases. How bout I knock these off...
Ever heard of time zones it's always prime time somewhere and on large shards that have large raiding guilds this is a moot point there is always someone watching.
Some may but not all, on top of the risk of them turning on you near the end of the spawn and using you for sacrificial lambs for their own sadistic pleasure.
See the above argument it applies here too.
Considering the animosity that flys between Trammel and Felucca players it's hard to think that requesting help from a PvP guild is a solution. We've been conditioned to distrust each other.
100% Agreed.
I'd love to see equal champs in both Tram and Fel, as well as reds having access to both. Everyone can enjoy their playstyle in the environment of their choice without being forced to accommodate someone else's playstyle.
I see no problem with a harrower spawning in a trammel ruleset if trammies are simply interested in the PvM. But the scrolls, the skulls and replicas from the harrower need to remain in Fel.
To limit their creation preventing over saturation, to give fel it's battleground since the only reason to be in faction is faction arties, and to make the end game content the most enjoyable in any MMO out there.
To limit their creation preventing over saturation, to give fel it's battleground since the only reason to be in faction is faction arties, and to make the end game content the most enjoyable in any MMO out there.
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You are babbling.
I do have to besubjected to your playstyle to go to DOOM...so whats your point?
Like I said...you have DOOM..we have Harry's...get over it.
Get this fact through your head:
1. Nothing is stopping your blue from coming to Fel to do a Harry.
2. EVERYTHING is stopping my Red from coming to Tram to do DOOM.
Your response to this is:
Make a Blue PVM char or You already do come.
Which means that I do subject myself to your playstyle to go to DOOM.
Why dont you start whining about what Faction chars get while your at it.
I dont have a Faction char but you dont see my whining about what they get.
Crystalline with 3 FCR?
lol...its ******** over-powered...buts its a benefit of Factions...
Factions has their own benefits....
Tram has their own benefits...
Fel has their own benefits...
But as usual...Trammies are never happy and they want everyone elses stuff.
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And I can counter by not all shards have spawns watched 24/7 nor the people around to raid 24/7. This may be different on Alt or GL. But not everyone posting here is on either of those shards.
Guess you missed the subtle hint of "BROKER".
You give the gold to a broker to hold until the harry is done.Plus, on any given shard, there are usually two top guilds. Pick one and try. I'd say maybe one or two guilds in all of UO don't have a price but will have a competitive guild who would.
I know of two guilds on two different shards that have hosted free harrowers. They guard, trammies killing. One shard was Atlantic.
You are trying to find the easy out of this(aka gimme... gimme... gimme)... not trying to find solutions that work within the given system.