The old school pure warrior without chiv or sammy skill is of course in trouble, but nobody seems to give a rat's backside about those templates even within the warrior community. It seems more fashionable to mix and match the wierdest skill combos than to ask for pure warrior love. And I don't know if warriors themselves know how to fix their problems. Aside from "nerf tamers" I don't really hear many warriors coming up with solutions. I completely understand what you are saying. Super pet that instant kill people is fine in PvM/RP I mean they are DESIGNED to take down monsters with 1000 to 10000000HP, but as it stands when used against 100ish HP player with CAPPED resist it creates imbalance. It's quite possible for anyone with all 70s suit to be killed within seconds if not instantly when that bad RNG is rolled. Real PvPers would all agree to that. A famous example of GD/Dread combo is Melee Hit->2xFS->Fire breathe, lets leave out the damage from the dismount archer dismount and any moving shot the tamer is going to shove into you. 150+ damage can be easily done in merely a few seconds. Sure the RNG might roll as Melee hit miss->Weaken+Feeble mind->No FB but a bad RNG dont result instant death to tamer while a good RNG results instant death to any victim.
IMO the strongest 1 v 1 pvm templates in the game are all dexers. I have powerful casters and tamers. My dexer outperforms them on a lot of 1v1 boss content.
We are currently reviewing balance tasks that we want to do both live and SA. We have compiled an initial list of tasks that we'd like to do such as pet balance, weapons balance, mysticism/throwing balance, other misc balance tasks, etc.
Please by all thats holy when you do balance please balance up instead of constant nerfs of everything. As balance have become the nerf word of late try the other way around trust me it will work better. Make weaker skills and abilities stronger to keep up with the stronger abilities. Like that it wont be lets nerf this and then make that particular skill group useless then hear people from that skill group call for nerf "balance" of the other skill groups to keep up with there nerf. And so on and so on whith the never ending process.
But it makes RP sense that someone can walk up to a huge beast that is the greater dragon and start talking to it and ask it "to be my friend"? The greater dragon should be able to just look at these so-called tamers and say "Do my bidding!" and the tamers should be instantly tamed....that is if you want things to be fair in RP.
Balance up is a good idea and I understand exactly what you mean. But if we are talking about PvP how do you balance a player UP so it matches the power of a Instant killing GD/Dread+Player? How are you going to balance UP melee dexers when they simply cant get near archers?
^ Please.
We've had tameable dragons for many years. It makes sense that if tamers have perfected their skills taming normal dragons they can eventually convince a greater to follow them. Though I've always been tamed by my pets, UO and RL ones lol. Pity real skill doesn't come into it in UO of course, but that wasn't my design.
..) . Variety makes things interesting,if you want to realistically compete,you have a few standard templates to work with,which all happen to be mages and archers.I guess I could dump 99 necro in my dexer and go solo parox and trav,I could probably do it even without vampire at all if i tried hard enough,but that is hardly my point.
Yea I remmeber that I smell NERFS all Nerfs They just dont know the meaning of balancing up. For example add in more chiv skills at higher level imagine them making eoo and consecrete and chiv heal at 100 chiv skill where are warriors suppose to get the other points. Chiv is practicaly mandatory to stand a chance against monsters. Then comes the gd breath- If they nerf that on a whole then the gd breath of wild dragons will be nothing which means we can kill gd for leather as easy as we kill regular dragons. And all gd pets will be nerfed to be usable but less so in monster battles against these godly creatures that all can easily one hit kill you and cast 2 spells and hit you whithin 1 sec of screen. Would be nicer if they can just nerf breath for pvp tame beast against playerble characters not nerf breth in a whole meaning tame beast do less damage to monsters and untamed dragons do less damage to players.
Any Tamer: "Will you be my friend? I have always wanted a pet like you"
Personally I have no problems with the GD itself. My beef is that they are tamable.I like the GD. I like the challenge of the GD. I hate to see one of those supposed "majestic creatures" following a tamer like a puppy.But in all honesty, would you even agree with a GD which was balanced to a modest level? How far down in strength does a greater have to come before you don't complain about it? Because I realise you've complained about GDs, in just about every GD thread since their release. I get the impression that nothing would satisfy you in terms of a balance pass unless it involved setting GD's wild, and that it seems to have little to do with RP
Wenchy
LOL I've been eaten plenty of times without ketchup
Not all fantasy and RP follows the same cookie-cutter rules and lore. This is a game which has had tame dragons at least for the 10 years I've played. Surely it's time to accept that UO has its own lore, and perhaps our dragons aren't as sharp witted as those you've read of in books. The game gives a player the setting and items (or pets) they have available, the player then goes on and RPs to the best of their ability within that game. If you don't feel so strongly that UO dragons should be tame, why start and continue playing UO in the first place?
But it could be argued that your beliefs that GDs shouldn't be tameable are based on lore and ideals that comes from outside UO. Why not let UO be different and just accept it as such? I take games as I find them, I don't always stick around, but I love trying to work my way into a fresh take on fantasy. I don't think cookie cutter with anything fantasy because it spoils the whole thing. That's the challenge as you develop as a RPer, to build more unique stories and characters who aren't stereotyped.
LOL I've been eaten plenty of times without ketchup
Not all fantasy and RP follows the same cookie-cutter rules and lore. Nor should it. This is a game which has had tame dragons at least for the 10 years I've played. Surely it's time to accept that UO has its own lore, and perhaps our dragons aren't the same as those you've read of in books. The game gives a player the setting and items (or pets) they have available, the player then goes on and RPs to the best of their ability within that game. If you don't feel so strongly that UO dragons should be tame, why start and continue playing UO in the first place?
But it could be argued that your beliefs that GDs shouldn't be tameable are based on lore and ideals that comes from outside UO. Why not let UO be different and just accept it as such? I take games as I find them, I don't always stick around, but I love trying to work my way into a fresh take on fantasy. I don't think cookie cutter with anything fantasy because it spoils the whole thing. That's the challenge as you develop as a RPer, to build more unique stories and characters who aren't stereotyped.
I wouldn't want UO to be cookie-cutter but UO was not created in a vacuum.There is alot of D&D left still in UO. In the spirit of not being "cookie cutter" I want a few things back that tamers whined about. I want my necro to be able to tame the Cu with the dire wolf familier...all in the name of not being cookie cutter. Tamers can have a pet that does upwards of 80 damage fire breaths-So I want the double-strike axer nerf to be unnerfed...all in the name of not being cookie-cutter.
With how the Dev's favor the tamers,I am sure you'll get them soon enough.It will be a 10-slotter..but the tamers will be given 10 slots.
Dragon breath = needs to be toned down
Actually, PvP was great back when you were either a 7x mage or a 7x dexer, right before they introduced UO:R.
I wonder if this means I should hold my goal of being a 120 tamer
UO wasn't created in a vacuum, but UO lore has been created which you can't just say is wrong because you feel it should be more D&D. I love D&D, but I don't think it should always dictate how a game uses dragons. UO clearly has had tameable dragons for 10 years+. After 10 years, it's time you accepted UO had different dragon lore and that involves tamed dragons.
Mind you, if an axer template is doing more damage than a GD, someone might be more hated than tamers lol. I'd welcome that, but I wouldn't fancy meeting one in a dark alley.
Ok umm yeah...so using your logic here would mean that anyone without the needed skill wouldn't be able to equip a sword or shield either. Or wear the virtue set if they were negitave karma. What lore are you following anyway with the Cu? UO lore or Celtic lore? Pot calling the kettle black on this one?UO wasn't created in a vacuum, but UO lore has been created which you can't just say is wrong because you feel it should be more D&D. I love D&D, but I don't think it should always dictate how a game uses dragons. UO clearly has had tameable dragons for 10 years+. After 10 years, it's time you accepted UO had different dragon lore and that involves tamed dragons.
As for the necros taming cu sidhe thing. Necromancy isn't a virtuous magic, cu sidhe openly attack those with negative karma. There is no logic or sense in a cu sidhe being tameable by a necro with 0 taming skill. Even if they had taming and necro, they're still going to smell like a necro to a dog. Especially one with a nose the size of a cu sidhe nose. Much as my necro tamer wouldn't mind an easier chance at taming cu's, I don't think it would make sense. You can still use the dark wolf to tame kitsune though
I think axers need a change, but rather than boost them to do the damage that a GD does, I'd like the GD pulled down a few pegs first. Otherwise we all end up in a crazy land of super-human damage, and somehow I don't think that would translate favourably in PvP.
Wenchy
Oh please. Respond to the points made, not ones you've made up
I was talking about a specific issue that you raised, and how cu's behave in UO. It has nothing to do with armour or Celtic lore. Simply this, cu sidhe attack negative karma players on sight. So you can say they're good aligned. Necromancy is a dark magic and necros often have neg karma. If the cu will attack that necro because of their karma, why on earth would that necro have a successful tame attempt first time when taming the cu? He should be running around ragged trying to pacify that beast, in fear of his life. Not walk up and tame it first time. HERE HERE! sorry, Im sure im coming into the fight a bit late, 2 comments
