PETA has arrived

[Mogluk]

although I am an orc and will always be an orc.

I feel a certain sense of player justice is required for siege. the promulgation of pets in Siege has prompted me to start an anti tamer alliance. others have expressed their interest in regards to PVP spefically. So PETA has arrived in Siege, anyone interested in furthering the removal of Pets from Siege please let me know and sign this petition here.

 

[asparouh]

Nice!

 

[Nico]

although I am an orc and will always be an orc.

I feel a certain sense of player justice is required for siege. the promulgation of pets in Siege has prompted me to start an anti tamer alliance. others have expressed their interest in regards to PVP spefically. So PETA has arrived in Siege, anyone interested in furthering the removal of Pets from Siege please let me know and sign this petition here.

/sign

 

[Skylark SP]

Anti tamer? That is a pretty broad area to target. Taming and pets are a big part of UO, and many tamers have no direct involvement in PvP.

-Skylark

 

[Mogluk]

that may be but the over use of pets is causing a sever stress on our toon economy so in an effort to rebalance the system pet usage must be reduce by 37.9% to bring us out of the red....

 

[Chad Sexington]

that may be but the over use of pets is causing a sever stress on our toon economy so in an effort to rebalance the system pet usage must be reduce by 37.9% to bring us out of the red....

I eat meat 3 times a day.

 

[Masumatek]

Anti tamer? That is a pretty broad area to target. Taming and pets are a big part of UO, and many tamers have no direct involvement in PvP.

-Skylark

Pets act as both phasers and shields. You can't get through them to kill a skilled tamer one on one and the damage from them vaporizes you. I like Star Trek, but the technology in it has no place in UO (despite me playing a Borg). Tamers have no place in PvP. Their removal might not happen, but at the very least the devs can balance them...

 

[Mogluk]

Again Masu your forgetting that we as players have always ultimatetly determined the course of this shard. if we really don't want tamers then we get together and force the issue upon the shard, thats the glory of a non-consentual PvP shard.

 

[OldAsTheHills]

Again Masu your forgetting that we as players have always ultimatetly determined the course of this shard. if we really don't want tamers then we get together and force the issue upon the shard, thats the glory of a non-consentual PvP shard.

I doubt the glory part, but the first sentence is correct.
*stares*
Yahaxithonix

 

[Masumatek]

Oh I'm all for what you propose. I just think we have a much better chance if everyone who opposes the current tamer situation expresses their discontent to the devs on uhall and by other methods.

What you suggest is theoretically possible. We could agree to not use pets in PvP (or are you suggesting not using them at all?). And to any who do not agree (who would probably have to be in the minority), we'd force them to...till eventually very few if any people use pets and any who do will have many difficulties. How do we force people to give up their bad pet habit? Ban them from our guilds. Kill them everywhere we see them. Refuse to trade with them. And more. Make using pets such a disadvantage and pain in the ass that no one serious will do so.

Will this happen though? I have my doubts...especially if we can't get player justice in general right. Here's to hoping though. We should still ask the devs to balance tamers even if we did pursue this though...

 

[Mogluk]

Make using pets such a disadvantage and pain in the ass that no one serious will do so.

that is my goal.

 

[a ghoul]

although I am an orc and will always be an orc.

I feel a certain sense of player justice is required for siege. the promulgation of pets in Siege has prompted me to start an anti tamer alliance. others have expressed their interest in regards to PVP spefically. So PETA has arrived in Siege, anyone interested in furthering the removal of Pets from Siege please let me know and sign this petition here.

that is absurd man...but I will compromise with the removal of greater dragons that can be controlled by players...but no pets at all? WTH that would require who knows how much editing. It would change the game in many ways some quite negative, something the devs aren't willing to do imo. You have your pros and cons in every situation and in this case I believe the cons win :\

 

[OldAsTheHills]

I like the idea of : Free the Dragons!

Make it this shard's political cause.

*stares*
Yahaxithonix

 

[OldAsTheHills]

that is absurd man...but I will compromise with the removal of greater dragons that can be controlled by players...but no pets at all? WTH that would require who knows how much editing. It would change the game in many ways some quite negative, something the devs aren't willing to do imo. You have your pros and cons in every situation and in this case I believe the cons win :\

Let's leave the developers out of this idea. Let the players make their own game.

The smelly orc wants to create a new shard wide game.
Dragon tamers vs PETA. This could be across guildlines war.
Make it work!

*stares*
Yahaxithonix

 

[Mogluk]

I will say that the shard was more fun with less pets in PvP, If I can help reduce pets in personal combat great.... and I really hate the last three patches of new pets namely super drags, dogs (cu-sidhes), and beetles.

 

[Razz]

I wouldn't mind seeing a fear spell/skill placed in the game. It would only work on Pets. That way PvM'ers can still have their uber pets and PvP'er can have some sort of balance in fights with tamers.

Fear the pet. Kill the Tamer.

 

[Krystal]

SIGNED!!!!!

pets shouldn't be in PvP
they should allow faction MI work against pets again! imagine that factions would be full again!

 

[Righty]

Oh I hate it when someone runs away from me 1on1 only to log on their tamers, bola me, and the NPCs kill me from 3 screens away.
/sign or did you notice?

 

[Masumatek]

SIGNED!!!!!

pets shouldn't be in PvP
they should allow faction MI work against pets again! imagine that factions would be full again!

Pets need balancing or removal from PvP. MI is not the solution to any problem with pets or factions. Factions should be fun ITSELF. We do not need incentives like MI or blessings. Screw the half-assed changes. It's the same with bolas and dismount. Screw the changes people suggest to make them require more skill points to use or miss more or whatever. Just remove the damn things. Same with pets. Just nerf them...directly. Forget MI. All MI would do is force you to PvM (for lifeforce) in order to avoid PvMing (against pets in PvP), and since MI is temporary, you have to PvM often. In this item-based game we're already forced to pvm/quest/craft if we want to compete as it is. Why add more on to that? And for those who do not want to pvm more or join factions, you're leaving the imbalance the same....no thanks. MI is no solution at all.

 

[Max Blackoak]

signed!

get pets out of PvP or at least balance them

 

[archite666]

Signed! Let me know how I can help!

 

[ayahuasca]

signed- but I'm not giving up my ferrett!!!!!
You know, first I signed, due to the fact that I am pretty weak compared to a beetle or an uber dragon.
But then I reconsidered. I have never fought a tamer, (I run), nor have I ever played one. The tamers pay for their time same as me. So I guess I am neither FOR taming, or against it. I can't be, lacking the wisdom to decipher such a sticky issue.
So I amstain, and withdraw my vote, prefering to let wiser heads than mine figure it out.

 

[Sir Daniel]

SIGNED!!!!!
iam all for it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Leaf]

I would agree to pets out of PvP, but not off of Seige. Be careful, the next thing will be mages are to powerful, delete them. Next Bards, Archers...I've seen this pattern over the years. Nerf a skill till it's useless. Everything has a place, and you don't need to to destroy a template to balance PvP.

 

[HooderSP]

Hmmm pets in pvp, no i dont want them either. But lets clarify pvp shall we. If I am on a spawn with guildies and in comes a raid am I justified in using my pet to defend a spawn? I would not and do not actively seek pvp with my tamer, however, if you raid me ill use that little bastage for every thing i can. and MI should be removed from this game. its a BS way for people to roll into any spawn and whack someone doing pvm and you all know it.

 

[Mogluk]

I agree incidental combat with pets is going to happen (I still think that these pets I have highlighted need to go). But we have had escalation after escalation of pet power and we need to bring it down. Our shard is owned by combat tamers... and there are people out there who only run taming to beat on other players.

 

[Shakaja]

the main problem with this is that pets arent really a problem on prodoshards. not only because mage and dexer templates are way stronger over there due to better suits and pets arent so dangerous to them, but also because you dont really have the naked templates over there. they dont have the advantage of cheap equipping for good offence/defence.

i indeed like the mi aspect. mi should never have worked against monsters. it should work against faction summons and pets.

 

[OldAsTheHills]

I would agree to pets out of PvP, but not off of Seige. Be careful, the next thing will be mages are to powerful, delete them. Next Bards, Archers...I've seen this pattern over the years. Nerf a skill till it's useless. Everything has a place, and you don't need to to destroy a template to balance PvP.

This is not about deleting anything off this shard or any shard for that matter.
The developers are not involved in PETA activities.
Nor, are the developers going to change taming skill or those pets abilities.
So, just relax!

This is about ... having a reason to do PvP.
Whether it is Tamers, Stealthers, Mages, etc. whatever template ends up on
top of the heap of Pvpers should realize by being on the top of the heap of
Pvpers has a bullseye target on their back.

So, good luck PETA in your efforts.

*stares*
Yahaxithonix

 

[CroakerTnT]

People Eating Tasty Animals?

 

[OldAsTheHills]

People Eating Tasty Animals?

Yes! *stares*Yahaxithonix

 

[AEowynSP]

 

[HooderSP]

the main problem with this is that pets arent really a problem on prodoshards. not only because mage and dexer templates are way stronger over there due to better suits and pets arent so dangerous to them, but also because you dont really have the naked templates over there. they dont have the advantage of cheap equipping for good offence/defence.

i indeed like the mi aspect. mi should never have worked against monsters. it should work against faction summons and pets.

QFT ! the key words here being Porodo shards and factions. When I came to Siege I was amazed that tamers were so powerfull here. couldnt figure out what the fuss was, then I came to understand the huge difference that the lack of insurance made on Siege. On a Prodo shard people have trememdous uber suits and weaps that they can never lose so tamers were easy pickings. This is one of the reasons I have had such a hard time creating a template that I can pvp with, my years of playing a prodo shard where you can have a template that is basically unfocused has rottted my brain. Now I have to actually think threw and get sound advice on template construction. I have to learn what weapons work best with that char.
My biggest pancake if you want to call it that, is that MI allows every faction red to just wander into any area I am working pvm and wax me without having to deal with the same spawn i am. so even if i was a good pvper (which I am clearly not) it isnt 1v1 unless i am factions as well.

 

[Solikos]

/signed

Needs a nerf in both PvP and PvM but that's just me.

No dragons for pvp would be a start... Total removal of the skill is doubtful, but something should be done.

 

[Tjalle]

Hmm, looks as if this no pets-alliance may have some potential...

Now, make sure U follow this through guys. I´d hate to see a lot of people here talk about it and then one month later nothing really happened...

Now, as for me, I don´t PVP so I can´t say that I really care what happens but I really liked this idea about people coming together to make a stand and try to change their environment to what they feel would be a better one.

Good luck!

 

[Righty]

pancake if you want to call it that, is that MI allows every faction red to just wander into any area I am working pvm and wax me without having to deal with the same spawn i am. so even if i was a good pvper (which I am clearly not) it isnt 1v1 unless i am factions as well.

Yeah but you can't just pop MI whenver you want. You have to kill 40 enemy faction monsters to be able to have 1 hr worth of MI (which can be canceled thru some methods.) Killing 40 ogre lords isn't easy unless of course...you're a tamer.

 

[Krystal]

the main problem with this is that pets arent really a problem on prodoshards. not only because mage and dexer templates are way stronger over there due to better suits and pets arent so dangerous to them, but also because you dont really have the naked templates over there. they dont have the advantage of cheap equipping for good offence/defence.

i indeed like the mi aspect. mi should never have worked against monsters. it should work against faction summons and pets.

i agree! the way it was suppose to work!

 

[King Edward]

...

 

[Solikos]

This is You Mo. Since taming takes EFFORT and Knowledge you want it removed.

It's a balance issue... It happens in games... And in games, we have the power to potentially change such balance issues with threads such as this one.

SO many times in the past we hear that another players gonna make a tamer and ROCK all tamers, and what happens? They work for a few weeks and relize its gonna be a few MONTHS before they have ANY power what so ever.

Erm, isn't that anybody playing siege? Also, are you trying to argue that because the taming skill takes longer to raise it should dominate on the battle field? Perhaps it makes sense in PvM... Then again, perhaps it should require more skill points considering it's strength in any arena.

Do you play on Siege? Do you play a tamer?

Then they relize that they have no idea how to actually TAME a pet.

Click. Click.
*feed fish steak*
"All Kill"
"LOL OWNED."

And then the relize that the pet they tamed is a POS.

Because sheep don't do much in PvM or PvP... Dragons are quite different.

You and many like you want to be the PvP GOD

I guess it's not my place to speak, but he is a RPer. Many of us don't want to be Gods, but we do want to feel like we have a fighting chance... No one should be a PvP God.

The sec (if ever) they remove tamers from PvP, then is gonna be crying about Necros and Reverants, or mages and summons, or spellweavers and furys, or ect ect ect.

Perhaps... But taming appears to be issue #1 for PvP balance for now.

STOP CRYING

You?

EDIT: Oh, you made your own cry thread.

~ Solikos

 

[Mogluk]

Any ov lat who wishes to contribute to the removal of uber-pets from PvP please let meeb know. Cuz within the next 72 hours meeb will begin assaulting any tamers using petz primarily for PvP, this will include Luna, Yew, and various faction spots. PETA has many openings and is in need of some guud uruks agh panzees agh oomies to fight this evil scourge upon our land .....The PvP Tamer.

 

[the_slave_revolt]

they should allow faction MI work against pets again!

I agree, but until that happens I will sign this petition ^_^

 

[Bluebottle]

although I am an orc and will always be an orc.

I feel a certain sense of player justice is required for siege. the promulgation of pets in Siege has prompted me to start an anti tamer alliance. others have expressed their interest in regards to PVP spefically. So PETA has arrived in Siege, anyone interested in furthering the removal of Pets from Siege please let me know and sign this petition here.

Alas I understand the arguments but can't in good conscience sign since Arnold Rimmer my tamer IMO abides by the minimalist tenets of Siege society and has done it this way for many years.

As I mentioned in another post, I don't have him work on uber pet templates, he typically only tames whatever is to hand and sometimes it lives long enough to bond. For Arnold, pets are merely tools much like a GM crafted weapon - right now he has a couple of lowly drakes tagging along as companions but it might be a gaggle(if that is the collective noun) of Ostards. With no declared enemies, the only PVP engaged in is predominantly defensive.

Does Arnold's pet-using playstyle violate some code of ethics that I am unaware of? Is he to be unceremoniously tossed into the enemy-of-PETA camp by virtue of having some tamed critters at his command? If so - tis a shameful thing

 

[SavageSP]

the main problem with this is that pets arent really a problem on prodoshards. not only because mage and dexer templates are way stronger over there due to better suits and pets arent so dangerous to them, but also because you dont really have the naked templates over there. they dont have the advantage of cheap equipping for good offence/defence.

i indeed like the mi aspect. mi should never have worked against monsters. it should work against faction summons and pets.

I agree with this if you change the MI should work against faction summons and pets to: MI works against ALL Summons and Pets, not just faction, otherwise all tamers will become Non- Faction and interfere even more then they do now.

Its not just the Super Dragons, Beetles have always been a Major Problem as well as fully trained regular Dragons, 2 Bakes, 5 Frienzied Ostards, Etc.

Do something whatever it may be to discourage pet PVP without killing a Tamers Farming ability, and for gods sake REMOVE the DISMOUNT move from the Heavy and replace it with another move like Force Arrow.

I would have no problem treating my Tamer as a Craftsman, a weaker character that serves his purpose, farming loot and gold from the game, but not your prefered character to PVP with.

 

[Masumatek]

MI is not the answer

 

[Rumpy]

the main problem with this is that pets arent really a problem on prodoshards. not only because mage and dexer templates are way stronger over there due to better suits and pets arent so dangerous to them, but also because you dont really have the naked templates over there. they dont have the advantage of cheap equipping for good offence/defence.

i indeed like the mi aspect. mi should never have worked against monsters. it should work against faction summons and pets.

You kidding me? Pets are a HUGE problem on Prodo Shards.. When your on Despise Island and a guild rolls in with 10 G Drags. Your screwed. 1v1 Vs a Tamer who has a G-Dragon, you should never die. You can always teleport away.

Pets are used alot on prodo shards.. I use to play a Tamer/ Pure Mage on GL a few months ago, and I absolutely owned people with it. Screw G-Drags, its all about the Dread Horse.

 

[Chardonnay]

its all about the Dread Horse.

QFT...

 

[Skylark SP]

they should allow faction MI work against pets again!

Sure, when they add weapon, music, and spell ignore!

imagine that factions would be full again!

Hmmm...I've only been playing for 4 years, but I don't recall that factions were "full" on Siege when that was the case, even when the population was much higher, and from what I recall, a lot of the people who were in factions at that time, were in it strictly for that sort of benefit - to make farming with their own chars and farming other farmers, easier. It was more about getting stuff, not PvP interaction. That is what annoyed people, and I think taking MI out against player pets was a good thing. Don't bring back something bad just because something else needs fixing.

-Skylark

 

[Slim]

Hmm never mind!

 

[HooderSP]

maybe I am being strange on this but i would think that factions should be able to only attack other opposing factions. Then make it so that non faction players, be them red or blue, could not do harm or help to factions. make faction players colorless. then MI would work and couldnt be abused as it is now. You wouldnt have to worry about tamers interfering in factions.

 

[Tjalle]

Hmm, looks as if this no pets-alliance may have some potential...

Now, make sure U follow this through guys. I´d hate to see a lot of people here talk about it and then one month later nothing really happened...

So, what has happened?

 

[AEowynSP]

http://www.petakillsanimals.com/