New Rule: Help>Stuck Does not work with Cursed Items

[Restroom Cowboy]

So you support using Help Stuck option for getting out of the champ spawn area to supposedly avoid thieves? You really need to explain how having an alternative idea for using Help Stuck in a Champ Spawn area helps thieves.

As it stands, using help stuck freezes you until you are moved out. This would leave you open for attack and thieving. Making an alternative would force those who really are not stuck to run out instead. If you really are stuck, the idea would move you a screen over and be unstuck. How does this encourage script thieves?

Whats not to understand? Right now if a char gets a 20 and the spawn gets crashed, the person either has to a) hide and help stuck or b) run and hope the scroll doesnt get stolen or taken by force. What you suggest is to drop the ability to hide and help stuck...making the ENTIRE champ area open for script thieves to try and take your stuff. Why? Havent we been doing this help stuck thing for years now?

What you want is to change a system that has worked for years...to benefit whom? The only person to benefit out of ALL of this would be a thief...no other char classes would even be effected POSITIVELY by this. Seems then to be a stupid idea to me...just to benefit the thieves MORE.

My solution? Join a spawning guild and leave things the way they are. This game already effectively has enough scripters and cheats...I see no reason to encourage more of the same type of behavior by effectively punishing those that play this game without the scripts or cheats. (I dont see help stuck as a cheat...since even the devs have used this as a MEANS of explaining how to get items out.)

 

[Viper09]

Whats not to understand? Right now if a char gets a 20 and the spawn gets crashed, the person either has to a) hide and help stuck or b) run and hope the scroll doesnt get stolen or taken by force. What you suggest is to drop the ability to hide and help stuck...making the ENTIRE champ area open for script thieves to try and take your stuff. Why? Havent we been doing this help stuck thing for years now?

What you want is to change a system that has worked for years...to benefit whom? The only person to benefit out of ALL of this would be a thief...no other char classes would even be effected POSITIVELY by this. Seems then to be a stupid idea to me...just to benefit the thieves MORE.

My solution? Join a spawning guild and leave things the way they are. This game already effectively has enough scripters and cheats...I see no reason to encourage more of the same type of behavior by effectively punishing those that play this game without the scripts or cheats. (I dont see help stuck as a cheat...since even the devs have used this as a MEANS of explaining how to get items out.)

Well, if the spawn gets crashed there is an exit to run to...
The only thing it would benefit would be pks since they are a lot more of a threat than a thief since you would obviously be on the move. I don't know about your shard, but there sure as heck are not that many thieves at all in a spawn. And if you are running, it is incredibly hard for a thief to steal from you, even if you are running a script (timing it right so your right next to them to steal). And not all thieves are scripters so it would be even harder for them to steal one scroll.
Do you really think people would just be sitting around like ducks? There are always two exists in a dungeon to run to, the main exit or through star. Three if you count teleporting to another dungeon and exiting there.

 

[Traveller]

Guys, I suggest to ignore the info provided by RC. He clearly speaks of pre-ML thieves.

 

[Restroom Cowboy]

Guys, I suggest to ignore the info provided by RC. He clearly speaks of pre-ML thieves.

No...I dont speak of pre-ML thieves. I speak of whats going on with thieves now. What I wonder truly though is why you would try to say otherwise...

 

[Traveller]

No...I dont speak of pre-ML thieves. I speak of whats going on with thieves now. What I wonder truly though is why you would try to say otherwise...

Because that's the truth? I have read so many half-truths, exaggerations and omissions in your posts... There's no way a thief can stealth between 10 people without being revealed nowadays, wraith form or not, and certainly not getting close enough to open 10 packs. Or he can use shadowjump, when it works (about 50% of tiles), which means that anybody with a clue knows with a 100% chance that the thief is there.

Sure, my point of view can be skewed by the fact that I am always in contact with expert pvpers, but the fact stands that anybody who manages to get stolen in a champ nowadays is just being careless and ignorant in game mechanics, period. It's much easier to twarth thieves than twarth organized PKs. I would be much more concerned of a PK raid timed at champ death.

 

[Viper09]

Guys, I suggest to ignore the info provided by RC. He clearly speaks of pre-ML thieves.

Most likely. Thieves are the least of anyones concern in a champ spawns today. lol

I've seen trammies thwart them by simply running off right after the champ dies. Then again, that is to say if there was any thief there to begin with. Chances of running into a thief at a champ spawn is rare. But none-the-less, easy to avoid.

Now for PvPers that spawn. No way in heck you can sneak in on them. One step near them and you will most likely be revealed. After that, well, they gotta run and hope they don't get killed.

 

[Restroom Cowboy]

Because that's the truth? I have read so many half-truths, exaggerations and omissions in your posts... There's no way a thief can stealth between 10 people without being revealed nowadays, wraith form or not, and certainly not getting close enough to open 10 packs. Or he can use shadowjump, when it works (about 50% of tiles), which means that anybody with a clue knows with a 100% chance that the thief is there.

Sure, my point of view can be skewed by the fact that I am always in contact with expert pvpers, but the fact stands that anybody who manages to get stolen in a champ nowadays is just being careless and ignorant in game mechanics, period. It's much easier to twarth thieves than twarth organized PKs. I would be much more concerned of a PK raid timed at champ death.

Actually you are wrong. Speak to JC of HOT and ask him about the thief that stole thier oaks skull the minute the oaks died a few nights back. Before the person who got it even realized it was in their pack the thief had already stolen it and was off and running.


I dont know where you got an education, but my teachers included probability in the curriculum. Not knowing the facts is one thing, but debating things you DONT KNOW is another. People call that dumb...some say it is ignorance.

 

[Restroom Cowboy]

Well, if the spawn gets crashed there is an exit to run to...
The only thing it would benefit would be pks since they are a lot more of a threat than a thief since you would obviously be on the move. I don't know about your shard, but there sure as heck are not that many thieves at all in a spawn. And if you are running, it is incredibly hard for a thief to steal from you, even if you are running a script (timing it right so your right next to them to steal). And not all thieves are scripters so it would be even harder for them to steal one scroll.
Do you really think people would just be sitting around like ducks? There are always two exists in a dungeon to run to, the main exit or through star. Three if you count teleporting to another dungeon and exiting there.

and those that get legitimately stuck? what about them? you telling me they should suffer so more thieves can thrive? LMAO

 

[drinkbeerallday]

This is NOT a good idea. Why? Script thieves...

@ Basara...Have you ever had an item taken from you by one of these? Are you aware a script thief can know what goes in your pack BEFORE you do? Did you know that a script thief HIDDEN in a group of ten people can steal with 100% accuracy from any of those people without ever opening a single backpack? You are not providing middle ground, in fact your are inderectly asking for more ground to be taken from the legit player.

@Drinkbeer...sorry man, but if you dont see the flaws here I can't assist. As long as CHEATING is a possibility, ADDING any rules to make life easier on thieves is just plain ********. (tell you what, let me know what days you are doing oaks and I will *schedule* my thief to visit you...all without really being there)

i don't get it. what does stealing have to do with this?

 

[drinkbeerallday]

How about boats? How many times i found my self dead on a boat 2 main issues with it 1 finding a place to get of is a pita before my body decays 2nd if i have my plank locked I cant get of in ghost form it suppose to work but it doesnt so Help stuck is my only recourse. Or theres the newer players that there young status is gone and there lost not knowing where to go matter of fact there was one here just a little while ago asking how to get out from magincia. now incorporate this to trammel whith people wearing cursed items cause they cant afford the real ones and especially newer players that were given cursed items to wear and they get all happy.

this has nothing to do with Trammel at all. Felucca Dungeon/T2A only. and if you are dead on a boat, the power/stat/sot is already on your body so how does that even apply?

nice try.

 

[Traveller]

Speak to JC of HOT and ask him about the thief that stole thier oaks skull the minute the oaks died a few nights back.

And how does prove anything except that HOT acted dumb? The thief shouldn't have been able to get close, and if he did he should have been killed fast.

Not replying to trollish part of your post, but those in the thread who know me and my background are laughing at you, at this moment.

 

[Petra Fyde]

This thread has become nothing but a troll-fest. Enough.