Wait Cat, this is for RBG the guild, then? Its sooo confusing to have a guild named after the overall theme.About the constitution ,that is for RBG only...
Geesh Aneirin what a waste of time playing the game what are you thinking you could have been writing up convoluted documents and trying to pass it out for people to sign.The author of that light reading has too much time on his hands to try to complicate things.
And in the time it took him to revise that document I...
Crashed a guild meeting in Olympus, gave my feedback and left without incident (rare, I know).
Warmed up my dueling skills, realizing that Aneirin still can't kill Laurana without using "creative tactics" unless I'm really lucky.
Hung out at a bar for a while, drinking, singing and carousing to the best of my ability.
Took a nap.
AND Patrolled New Haven, finding none of the mythical members of this guard.
It's the internet. If you don't want people to see it, the internet is not the place to put it.Posting stuff without asking for permission, really rude.
Pitr, I shared that with him because he's a CAPTAIN OF THE RBG FOR YEW! As such, he has every right to review, share, and comment by any means he deems preferrable --- not everyone likes UOF.So the only reason to post something that was RBG IC... in here. Is to draw another argument.
You are implying that those that do not copy your "constitution" per baetum do not wish to be "accountable, sensible Captains" and that's wrong.You all can argue what you wish... this RP RBG Constitution is on trial and will be used by those that wish to be accountable, sensible Captains... the others lead as they see fit.
Pitr, you are not the "commander" of the RBG (theme), you cannot tell Captains they MUST highlight you. You cannot tell other regiments that someone you didn't like having as part of your regiment is not allowed to continue with another regiment. You cannot tell other regiments that they are not allowed to be OOC, ever.. nor that they are not allowed to interact with non-RP'ers. You cannot tell other regiments they are required to KOS, ress kill, and "dry loot" players deemed to be traitors by any other person but Commander Kanlocke.I never told any Captain what to do... I simply ask for feedback and add it to the whole.
In the past RP guilds have tried many options when it came to looting. A red bag for instance carried by all who wished to take part in allowed looting containing items that could be taken. Mostly bandages and small trinkets of some gold. This of course still depended largely on the aspect of trust within the community.
For some, a small amount of looting made sense to their RP. Thieves, pirates and undead sorts. The problems that cropped up at times outweighed the desire to make looting viable within RP.
Most of us hold an ROE hat we respect. Their are simple, basic guidelines we follow. What we have found out though is that the more rules you seek to spell out in RP, the more script like the RP becomes.
Keeping it simple and honest works best.
Respect for fellow RPers
No looting (unless arranged for with the guild in advance)
Death robes after a fall for 30 minutes
No bringing an alt back to a fight
Stay in character
Simple rules for what should be a simple project. Play your character. live your character. And respect for others who like you enjoy role playing in Sosaria.
Good post Aedon. Some of us were interested in reading the proposed constitution to see if it was something we could work with in the future if it comes to it. If we're going to be rping beside each other then I like to know your rules, whether or not I am highlighted to you. *shrug*In the past RP guilds have tried many options when it came to looting. A red bag for instance carried by all who wished to take part in allowed looting containing items that could be taken. Mostly bandages and small trinkets of some gold. This of course still depended largely on the aspect of trust within the community.
For some, a small amount of looting made sense to their RP. Thieves, pirates and undead sorts. The problems that cropped up at times outweighed the desire to make looting viable within RP.
Most of us hold an ROE hat we respect. Their are simple, basic guidelines we follow. What we have found out though is that the more rules you seek to spell out in RP, the more script like the RP becomes.
Keeping it simple and honest works best.
Respect for fellow RPers
No looting (unless arranged for with the guild in advance)
Death robes after a fall for 30 minutes
No bringing an alt back to a fight
Stay in character
Simple rules for what should be a simple project. Play your character. live your character. And respect for others who like you enjoy role playing in Sosaria.
Good post Aedon. Some of us were interested in reading the proposed constitution to see if it was something we could work with in the future if it comes to it. If we're going to be rping beside each other then I like to know your rules, whether or not I am highlighted to you. *shrug*
Oriana, seriously did you even READ it? Let's see... I will mention all the parts I have issues with BESIDES the looting thing, which is obvious to many here.I didn't see Pitr telling anyone (RBG the guild or any of the other independent RBGs) what they must or must not do. Could you indicate where you find that?
Pitr said:The following document pertains only to accepted and bound GUILDS of the RBG community on Catskills.
Pitr said:All RP members are required to stay in character at ALL times.
Pitr said:Further more, ALL guilds that are apart of this community are required to mechanically "war" eachother.
(Basically all of 3:3 I disagree with entirely)Pitr said:All traitors (members who have been permanently expelled from the RP community), will have their character names posted in a permanent list. These members are NOT to be accepted into the ranks of ANY guild. If they are, then the entire guild will face possible removal, or punishment from the RP community. (Removal, or punishment for an entire guild will only result if they fail to comply with the requests of the RP community (removing the said traitor from their guild immediately)).
What's a little parrot poo among friends?This invitation is intended for all and sundry, correct?
As along as the finale doesn't involve being shanghai'd, marooned on a desert island, or walking the plank, a get-together at the Black Market sounds like the very thing.
And as much as I love pets, please keep your parrots off my shoulders. I would not appreciate an extra cleaning bill.
Section II: The above ROE explicitly states looting is not allowed. This part needs to go.GIVE YOUR CONFLICT A BACKGROUND! We are no murderers! We focus on guild wars with some role playing background. Guild wars are meant to be a challenge and fun to all parties involved! We do not go on mindless killing sprees.
NO LOOTING! Looting in guild wars is strictly forbidden! The remains of yer victim always stay untouched! However, although all guildmasters check their applicants carefully before adding them, it can never fully be guaranteed that a black sheep hasn't sneaked into a guild and breaks this rule. Thus it is strongly recommended to insure valuable items!
NO KILLING ON SIGHT! Killing on sight is to be avoided, except in specially arranged war situations! If you attack an enemy, there should always be a context to it. Maybe he refused to pay tribute. Or he provoked an attack. There are many reasons to start fighting. But we do not attack without a reason and we do not attack on sight!
NO ATTACKING OF THE DEFENSELESS! Attacking people while they are obviously away from the keyboard, while they are at the bank, or immediately after resurrection (res killing), is not allowed! The victim should be given a fair chance to defend himself or flee. (Exception: Specially arranged battle situations, in consent with the enemy guild.) People who explicitly don't want to fight, must not be forced to fight!
ANY EQUIPMENT, ANY TACTICS! You are allowed to use your favorite equipment and combat strategy in guild wars. Restrictions always penalize someone and spoil the fun. You will soon find out that your tactics and coordination weigh much more than items.
NO WHINING! If you feel that something unfair happened, talk to your guild master! Public whining and complaining (especially in front of other guilds) are frowned upon. Everything can be worked out, if the parties concerned with the incident really want to solve the issue. UO is a game and it should be fun!
SHOW YOUR ALLEGIANCE! Make sure to show your guild abbreviation (option can be checked in the paperdoll menu at "guild"). People have the right to know who they're dealing with.
DYING IN BATTLE! If you die in a guild war, you should remain in yer death robe for roundabout 30 minutes before re-joining the battle (unless arranged otherways for certain battle situations).
Good pointYes, I am aware they are the proposed for [RBG]. I am saying it is a bad rule because it inhibits the players within [RBG] from roleplaying wounded, and having more opportunities to interact with RP'ers around them.
"Your honor, I sez your honor. This y'har feathered varmint done poo'd on mah best suit."In the midst of a drunken brawl it's a lot of gleeful finger pointing and raucous laughter; in the sober light of day it's a trip to small claims court.
This was under discussion in RBG IC, at Ultima Online Forums...
it was dragged here...
"this is a bad rule", "that needs to go"... people, go fix your own guilds...
(UP excluded)
for those that missed the message the first time...
"Mind your own business"
Agreed. I have seen some fine RP out of those who have fallen in battle. They do not re-enter the fight, but the also are not suddenly seen as nonexistent on to the plot. They are wounded, not invisible.Yes, I am aware they are the proposed for [RBG]. I am saying it is a bad rule because it inhibits the players within [RBG] from roleplaying wounded, and having more opportunities to interact with RP'ers around them.
Interesting that someone proclaiming to be all about the "community" is telling the "community" to mind their own business.This was under discussion in RBG IC, at Ultima Online Forums...
it was dragged here...
"this is a bad rule", "that needs to go"... people, go fix your own guilds...
(UP excluded)
for those that missed the message the first time...
"Mind your own business"
It was moved here because what you propose effects the community at large, not just your little sandbox. You are very free with the words 'Mind your own business." These are the same words you used towards Kasaven when he was addressing matters of the Royal Guard which IS his business.
Nothing which is done that can have a direct action on the RP community at large should be seen as for your eyes only. There are some of us who have units of a Royal Guard that will have no part of the rules posted. RBGY will work only under the standard ROE used by the RP community for years. We will take direction in events from Queen Dawn, Captain Kanlocke, and our own Guard Captain. But we will also always keep in mind the rights and good of the rest of the community we are involved with.
Its on a public forum, Pitr and I passed the link to Aedon via ICQ because he's the Captain of the Yew regiment. He decided to post it here. Secondly, I immediately fixated on the "LOOTING" part and I told you, it needs to be absolutely "NO LOOTING" at all, to which you answered "I'll change it to expendables." That's not fixing it.Linking a RP RBG Constitution that was being changed by all of us... both Corvak and Pandora pointed some fixes.
It was posted as something to discuss by the rp community before all of the RBG members had a chance to read, discuss, improve and implement... truly disrespectful.
Not at all disrespectful. It was more facilitating full disclosure and communication.Linking a RP RBG Constitution that was being changed by all of us... both Corvak and Pandora pointed some fixes.
It was posted as something to discuss by the rp community before all of the RBG members had a chance to read, discuss, improve and implement... truly disrespectful.
I wouldn't have it any other way. However, there is a difference in talking, and tossing assumptions on a public forum. The latter is not a healthy way to live either. My ICQ has always been open and yet nobody has tried the talking route which you are suggesting. Seems most just go to the assumptions. It's okay though, it's typical UO player nature. Some feel they can't be heard if they arn't the first to put it on the boards.And Zuckuss, I do not think you understand that without debate and opposition there would be no progress. What you see here, and ask Pitr he'll tell you, would not have happened without rustling up some dust. If people do not TALK about their issues, they hold it inside and then you have all these deep seeded grudges that no one is ever willing to work through. I do not believe in it. If I have a problem, I am going to say it... I am not just going to keep quiet about it and then talk behind people's back about how much I dislike someone's idea or personality. That's not a healthy way to live. And I thought you had learned that EONS ago when you had no idea what a hally-whack-combo was. *winks*
Yet again, the mistress of word twisting is twisting words again.Interesting that someone proclaiming to be all about the "community" is telling the "community" to mind their own business.
Sorry, I had to play catch-up!*nods to Flutter*
All that has been said on this has been said. We all know our common ROE, it is time to get back to the business of RP. See you folks in game.
Remember to support your local pirates.\
Signed;
Aedon Durreah-Society's Pillow
*boggles*Yet again, the mistress of word twisting is twisting words again.Interesting that someone proclaiming to be all about the "community" is telling the "community" to mind their own business.
Correct, you fail.*boggles*
I fail to see how that's twisting words. It's pretty clear to everyone.
Zuckuss, I simply typed out what a few other people pointed out to me via other conversations. It's all quite amusing to us.Correct, you fail.