No wonder we can't get the Siege population up

[Guest]

DIE opens a gate to the NEW guildhouse for myself (NEW Co-leader on one of my accounts) and a NEW recruit. The four of us (myself, new recruit, 2 DIE members) hop the gate, are standing in front of the new house, Sonneillon Pyro jumps the gate and kills the new recruit and of course begins to loot him.

I bring my pvp character (in factions) to challenge Sonneillon so hopefully the new player can get some of his loot back. Sonneillon and I are fighting, next thing I know is 2-3 more TnA show up, so I head back in the NEW guildhouse, eventually dying.

Hop back on my NEW character, the new recruit was still missing, so I ask them if they scared off the new recruit and Sonneillon says 'hopefully'.

Eventually we get the recruit into NEW, but it is actions like this that I believe make it very tough to recruit new players to Siege.

While I admit, originally Sonneillon might not have known that the person was a newbie or new recruit as he had no tags on, his actions never changed once he should have been able to determine what was going on and I believe the recruit ended up dying to him a few times.

 

[Guest]

ahh i the love how the story looks on the other side of the fence.

Heres how it happens.

i see gate, i jump gate, i kill person NOT in guild tag NEW, then factioner shows up and ppl inside are casting EV's, thats when guildies showed up cause i guess one had a rune right to the place.

My comment was just off hand remark to your stupid babbling about him being a "new recruit" and me scaring him off. If he REALLY gets scared off by that, then he can't handle siege anyways cause thatll happen 1000 times before he is any good.

anyways tnt aren't allowed to attack NEW, and we dont generally, but that guy wasn't NEW and neither was the DiE guy, or the factioner guy, so get over it damn.

You're post should of read, "damn that was great fun, thanks for showing a noob that there is still some pk'ers out there so watch your ass, can i please have the gm armor you looted from him back?"

cause i would of responded differently and might of even given the armor back its still in my pack.

PS. Rule 17 of siege playing, never gate from a public areas.

 

[Kat SP]

So... You're a leader of NEW and you bring this to the forums instead of contacting me directly? I think Shalimar and other leaders of NEW will vouch for me and tell you that I have always been very responsive when situations like this have happened in the past.

Please contact me directly in the future.

 

[imported_Goron]

Bruin... I'd like you to know that DIE is on my kill on sight list. They are asshats and jerks. Any group of people (formerly known as KKK) that have had conversations amongst themselves about how they are going to join big guilds, get trust, then loot them are losers. Whether standing next to people with NEW tags or not, I'll kill a DIE. And then I'll kill any person that comes to defend them.

I think your post is absolutely rediculous. I've sent three people in the last week alone to the NEW website. I killed one of em before it, sure, but they still got in NEW. Sometimes the only way to tell a new player from someone else is by killing them.

Be careful, your 'allegience' and desire to defend DIE is causing me alarm. I wouldn't be surprised if the 'new guy' was actually a DIE plant. Watch your crates, they may be empty soon.

And, for the record: I'll hop a gate I see two DIEs go in any day, kill them and anyone not wearing a NEW tag they are with.

So before you come here and start trying to stir [censored] up, consider what actually happened first.

 

[imported_Magnolia]

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ahh i the love how the story looks on the other side of the fence.

Heres how it happens.

i see gate, i jump gate, i kill person NOT in guild tag NEW, then factioner shows up and ppl inside are casting EV's, thats when guildies showed up cause i guess one had a rune right to the place.

My comment was just off hand remark to your stupid babbling about him being a "new recruit" and me scaring him off. If he REALLY gets scared off by that, then he can't handle siege anyways cause thatll happen 1000 times before he is any good.

anyways tnt aren't allowed to attack NEW, and we dont generally, but that guy wasn't NEW and neither was the DiE guy, or the factioner guy, so get over it damn.

You're post should of read, "damn that was great fun, thanks for showing a noob that there is still some pk'ers out there so watch your ass, can i please have the gm armor you looted from him back?"

cause i would of responded differently and might of even given the armor back its still in my pack.

PS. Rule 17 of siege playing, never gate from a public areas.

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I have to agree here with gg... In helping new players to understand the fun of Siege...you need to teach them what Siege is... and use real situations in your lessons.. And the first lesson is to understand how many ways they are going to die and how to responde in attitude to their death...And tell them that this will change as they also work hard and get good and strong.. This is their goal and your lesson to them.... Don't give them a false since of security.. There is none on this shard. Teach them how to handle it and see the fun and challenge of it.

 

[imported_mo'gluk]

why should he feel he has to contact youdirectly its not like your people actually listen to you... get over yourself your not nearly as important as youthink you are..

to gg ...have fun while you can if you have a TnT over you head it just makes me happier...

and yes be prepared for a new Mo....Kuz meeb iz tired uv all lat whiny oomies agh panzees

 

[imported_OldAsTheHills]

Let those in Pvp community drop the pretense about [NEW] that is [NEW] is
not to be attack by anyone.

I feel sorry for [NEW] but really no one in the game with or without the tag
of [NEW] should have protection from Pvping. This must go away.

By the way, I am now looking forward to total guard removal from the Siege
Perilous. I hoping Pvpers get what they deserve. I am already adjusting my
characters Template for this!

*stares*
Yahaxithonix

 

[imported_mo'gluk]

why not you do that all the time?

so does everyone when they come here to talk smack.... you only EVER have half of teh situation but so often the poster assumes he has all the facts and posts the REAL story.... everyone here is always posting a few moments ahead what they fully understand... and then you have individuals who come here in their self righteous indignation and complain ....

like I told a few people I was in the circle of flame alliance for a few hours and in the short time I was there all I saw were comments taht cemented my personal opinions of people. those who I had a high degree of respect kept it... and those who I didn't well nothing has changed...

 

[Guest]

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Let those in Pvp community drop the pretense about [NEW] that is [NEW] is
not to be attack by anyone.

I feel sorry for [NEW] but really no one in the game with or without the tag
of [NEW] should have protection from Pvping. This must go away.

By the way, I am now looking forward to total guard removal from the Siege
Perilous. I hoping Pvpers get what they deserve. I am already adjusting my
characters Template for this!

*stares*
Yahaxithonix

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LOL!

First of all, I don't think 30 days of immunity is too much to give. Second of all - guard removal? I don't think the Devs are even having a THOUGHT of implementing something like this.

*shrugs*

 

[Guest]

I must chime in with I had to learn the hard way that people will hop your gate to the NEW house and PK you. So please GMs if you guild has a policy regarding NEW, could we please include the little Noobs who don't have a tag yet being escorted to the house. Not hard to recognise the NEW keep since the house to the left has NEW on the roof.

 

[Guest]

Goodguy - I'm with you, technically you did nothing wrong. What you did do is:

- You killed a person as they were in the process of becoming a NEW member.
- You called in a gank squad to deal with one person.
- You engage and housefight people within the NEW guildhouse, which to me shows a lack of respect for NEW.

But most importantly, you went against the spirit of what NEW is trying to do and feel and show no remorse for it. Granted, the recruit did not have a NEW tag above, but he would have 2 minutes later. So you defend yourself by saying well he wasn't in NEW yet so he was fair game, which I agree with. But still goes against the spirit of why we ask that people not attack NEW characters, to try and help those who are new to the shard. To me, that doesn't matter if they are in NEW or just about to join NEW.

While I hold no grudge against you for originally attacking that player, at some point during the encounter or thereafter you should have realized that you did murder a person about to join NEW. I would venture most people at that point would simply have just said "Oh sorry, didn't realize he was about to join NEW" and this all would have over at that point. Instead you make off hand remarks, joke about how I should thank you for the encounter, and defend your actions.

Kat -

Sorry, I do not feel that I am under any obligation to come to you and report these things and not report them on the boards, and do not appreciate your efforts to call me out on that. In order for me to have done what you ask I would:

- Have to know the rules and regulations of each and every guild on the shard. Do they allow their members to pk, do they allow their members to attack NEW people, are they generally friendly or hostile towards the New guild, and so on. I do not know what are your guild rules.
- Have to know the GM's of all the guild's and how to go about contacting them (I have no idea who you are or who is the leader of TnA, I now assume it is you).

I play this game to have fun, and volunteer what little time I have to help out NEW - I don't waste my time trying to get to know the things I mentioned above. Furthermore, I agree that Goodguy 'technically' did nothing wrong, so what was is the point of reporting that to the guild GM?

Goron -

This has got nothing to do with DIE. DIE is my enemy on the battlefield as well. Kill, gank, and loot them all you want. But DIE helped a person to join NEW, TnA helped kill him in the process, and attempts to defend their actions.

In the end, Goodguy did a crappy thing, shows no remorse for his actions, and I feel as a Co-Leader of NEW, actions like this make it hard to recruit and retain players for this shard.

 

[imported_Goron]

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why not you do that all the time?

[/ QUOTE ]There is a big difference between talking smack and complaining about someon'e actions or a guild policy. he did not come and smack talk about how GG had to bring in a gank squad, he disguised his message in a package aimed at declaring TnA as defying NEW protection.

 

[imported_Goron]

Bruin, the point is: when you are rolling with DIE, there is no knowing who the untagged person is. all of DIE looks like noobs cuz they dont carry anything, they just go and loot other people's kills. Had DIE not been there I would be unhappy with GG's actions. But if DIE was there, I personally feel he did nothing wrong.

 

[Scuzzlebutt]

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My comment was just off hand remark to your stupid babbling about him being a "new recruit" and me scaring him off. If he REALLY gets scared off by that, then he can't handle siege anyways cause thatll happen 1000 times before he is any good.

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QFT

Just look at goodcry, its happened to him 1000 times and hes still not any good.

 

[Guest]

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why should he feel he has to contact youdirectly its not like your people actually listen to you... get over yourself your not nearly as important as youthink you are..


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Mog, that's uncalled for. If there's a problem here, Kat will fix it or boot the offending player. She'd done it before.

TnT/TnA don't kill/loot NEW members, but anyone without the tag, or anyone violating the NEW rules is not given the same protection. Just because somebody is a newbie doesn't mean anything. DIE is mostly newbies at the moment, and they are a valid target.

One of those rules is that a NEW-tagged member is not allowed to attack, for any reason. If Bruin attacked, then he is freely attackable even if he was on an Alt in NEW. He's CWS anyway, which is a well-known ally of JSV, and I've killed him a few times myself in the JSV house in Luna.

From the description above, I don't think that GG violated our policy, but if there's any problems here, I'm sure Kat can handle them. Hopefully, Bruin will contact Kat directly in the future to avoid unnecessary board drama.

 

[Guest]

Goron -

I can understand why Goodguy attacked and killed the new player in the first place, maybe he was just pk'ing, maybe he thought he was a DIE player, fine. I don't hold a grudge against him for attacking him at that moment.

However, at some point during the encounter, or after speaking with him in game, or after reading my post, Goodguy should have realized that he was NOT attacking a DIE member. Instead he was attacking someone as I was in the process of admitting them into NEW. At that moment he realized this, I feel he should have felt remorse for his actions and taken steps to show this.

Instead of showing any form of remorse, such as a simple "Ohh sorry, I didn't realize he was a new recruit" - he jokes about the entire encounter further adding fuel to the fire. THAT is why I feel Goodguys actions were ****ty.

 

[imported_mo'gluk]

actually your not up to date, to my knowledge CWS is not a member of the alliance...

and didn't they say that they were engaging in house fighting with the NEW guildhouse?

and I also agree with aeowyn... it does not take much intelligence that a gate of a un guilded person to the NEW guild house usually means that that person is joining NEW.

and no offense but you don't have the righth to say what is uncalled for or not....

 

[Kat SP]

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and no offense but you don't have the righth to say what is uncalled for or not....


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He certainly does have that aright. Your response to me was a bit of a personal attack. Just because you have some kind of grudge against me, doesn't give you the right to abuse your position as a mod to personally attack me. Whether you like or respect me isn't a concern, but taking abuse from you is a different story.

Furthermore, I asked that he contact me directly because doing so, could resolve the situation without drama, whereas posting about it only perpetuates drama... as you can clearly see in this thread.

 

[Paul the Samurai]

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Bruin... I'd like you to know that DIE is on my kill on sight list. They are asshats and jerks. Any group of people (formerly known as KKK) that have had conversations amongst themselves about how they are going to join big guilds, get trust, then loot them are losers. Whether standing next to people with NEW tags or not, I'll kill a DIE. And then I'll kill any person that comes to defend them.



And, for the record: I'll hop a gate I see two DIEs go in any day, kill them and anyone not wearing a NEW tag they are with.


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Wow I think this is the first of your posts that I agree with 100%.

 

[Paul the Samurai]

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By the way, I am now looking forward to total guard removal from the Siege
Perilous. I hoping Pvpers get what they deserve. *stares*
Yahaxithonix

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you know this only effects the "BLUE" pvpers, reds have been living like this since the beginning of UO. Actually it used to be worse, reds got G-wacked as soon as one foot touched the unmarked guardzone.

 

[Guest]

I guess you forgot to mention the part where I showed up and gave the newb a bunch of stuff to get him started. LRC armor that he could wear, scrappers, made him a runebook and marked him runes, tips on starting a mage. I guess those types of actions go un-noticed when you're trying to bash someone for jumping a gate and killing a blue. GG didn't even know where he was, he said in vent "i think im somewhere near brit". So I checked it out and saw the familiar NEW house. If I were you, Bruin, I would not have come here and complained about the whole fiasco. You know as well as I do that that newb had a great time after I took him under my wing and he wasn't worried at all. In fact, he kept hugging my neck!

 

[Paul the Samurai]

Im with Righty here, I also give armor, wepons, etc., to young players almost every time Im on, but no one post about this.

 

[Guest]

Well, it's entirely possible that CWS is no longer in the JSV alliance, such things happen, and I don't keep track. However, I killed Bruin yesterday in the JSV house in Luna, and he was wearing a CWS tag.

Anyone without a NEW tag, especially someone running with DIE, is a target.

 

[Guest]

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he would not have come to an open public channel and shared a biased story with only half the information of what happened.

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he did not come and smack talk about how GG had to bring in a gank squad, he disguised his message in a package aimed at declaring TnA as defying NEW protection.

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Goron, after re-reading your posts, I take offense to what you said above.

First off, for you to even make your first claim, that I "shared a biased story with only half the information of what happened," would have to mean you were there the entire time and know exactly what happened. Unless you are the NEW player, one of the DIE players, or GG, and I doubt you are - so you don't know if I am being biased or if I am sharing only half the story - yet you are accusing me of it.

I stated what I saw happen, and nothing GG said conflicts with what I said. I then stated my beliefs, none of which are biased or only 1/2 the information.

Your second claim that "I am disguising my message in a package aimed at declaring TnA defying NEW protection" means you are assuming the intent of what I wrote and publicly bashing me based on your assumptions.

Don't assume to know what happened, don't assume my biases, don't assume my intentions, and then bash me based on your assumptions.

 

[Guest]

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I guess you forgot to mention the part where I showed up and gave the newb a bunch of stuff to get him started. LRC armor that he could wear, scrappers, made him a runebook and marked him runes, tips on starting a mage. I guess those types of actions go un-noticed when you're trying to bash someone for jumping a gate and killing a blue. GG didn't even know where he was, he said in vent "i think im somewhere near brit". So I checked it out and saw the familiar NEW house. If I were you, Bruin, I would not have come here and complained about the whole fiasco. You know as well as I do that that newb had a great time after I took him under my wing and he wasn't worried at all. In fact, he kept hugging my neck!

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Rightly, please read my other thread.

 

[Guest]

Yep read it after this one. I'll leave the post as it is since its in context now. I gotta get back to work!

 

[Guest]

Aye, I do the same thing.

When I was first on Siege, I started a Thief and was training stealing in Luna. Not noticing that the guard zone was different than on Atlantic, I was training out by where Krystal's house is now. A Vmp came by, killed me, killed my packy (which had required all of my newbie gold to buy!), and then told me to get better stuff for him to loot next time (I had loaded the packy with junk off the bank floor for training purposes).

It was kind of frustrating cuz I was completely broke and wasn't sure I could kill enough mongbats to buy another packy. Another Vmp, Katherine, gave me some more junk and went to buy me another packy so I could continue.

That simple kindness is what ultimately made me move to Siege once I got bored with the endless farming on Atlantic.

I try to return the favor when I can.

BTW, I've also jumped a gate to the NEW guildhouse to pk one or two untagged people. Kat and T jumped all over me the next week at the guildmeeting. It's a fine line there, pk'ing people around the NEW guildhouse, and somewhat of a grey area.

 

[Kat SP]

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Kat -

Sorry, I do not feel that I am under any obligation to come to you and report these things and not report them on the boards, and do not appreciate your efforts to call me out on that.

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Well sorry. You were posting as a Co-Leader of NEW. What else would you expect? If you hadn't mentioned that, I wouldn't have asked that you contact me privately.

If my response seemed harsh, I appologize for that. That wasn't my intentionI presumed since you were posting as the Co-Leader of NEW, that you were looking to have me look into it. It appears my presumption was wrong.

BTW, if there is ever a problem, please do contact me. [ICQ 220-571-153]

 

[Kat SP]

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Your second claim that "I am disguising my message in a package aimed at declaring TnA defying NEW protection" means you are assuming the intent of what I wrote and publicly bashing me based on your assumptions.


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Posting as a Co-Leader of NEW, that was my belief as well. When a leader of NEW has an issue with the action of one of our mates, we take that seriously.

In the past when there have been issues with the actions of a NEW member, Shalimar has indicated that she prefer to be contacted privately on such matters. That was my position in my initial post, otherwise, when you post such a report as a Co-Leader of NEW, you are representing NEW and it comes across as publically bashing the person/guild in question.

 

[Guest]

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Your response to me was a bit of a personal attack. Just because you have some kind of grudge against me, doesn't give you the right to abuse your position as a mod to personally attack me. Whether you like or respect me isn't a concern, but taking abuse from you is a different story.

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LOL, this coming from someone who called Kage a "pancake" first thing this morning.

Glass houses, bricks, all that good stuff...yeah

 

[Kat SP]

I did not call him that, I said he was acting like one. Furthermore, I am not a mod, so there is no abuse of power here.

 

[Sergul'zan_SP]

I'm one to believe that killing a new member in and of itself is not a crime. This is Siege, people die regularly, and they can expect a lot more of it as they get into their training, etc...

I do, however, believe that it is absolutely silly to loot or grief them in any way. Instead, if you kill one you should resurrect them, restore their items to them, and offer them any assistance you can. This serves to instill the danger the shard presents to them, and yet promote their ambition to become a citizen.

NEW is an *excellent* guild, what they do for new citizens to the shard is brilliant, the leadership should give themselves a pat on the back.

 

[imported_Goron]

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First off, for you to even make your first claim, that I "shared a biased story with only half the information of what happened," would have to mean you were there the entire time and know exactly what happened. Unless you are the NEW player, one of the DIE players, or GG, and I doubt you are - so you don't know if I am being biased or if I am sharing only half the story - yet you are accusing me of it.
[...]
I stated what I saw happen, and nothing GG said conflicts with what I said. I then stated my beliefs, none of which are biased or only 1/2 the information.


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its funny, because GG's side of the story included more information than you shared in your first post. You also neglected to mention how another member of the evil evil evil TnA/AO alliance helped the newb out. Yet you claim you didn't say only part of the story? The title of your post alone is accusing. The guy got in NEW now, wheres the problem? Did he quit already? If he did quit, well, I will take my words back and apologize to you personally. But if he is still playing Siege, then your first post was completely uncalled for. In the end the newb ended ahead in NEW and with extra stuff from Righty.
Its funny, because supposedly Righty is a heartless bank bomber that kills all afk (or not) newbs on sight [I am refering to prev. posts about him]. Yet here we go with him being the hero.
Too many people here have solid lines between good and bad. Someone does one bad thing and they label them as evil and never to be trusted. Thats just silly.
Heck, I have even seen Puffy, yes, I said Puffy, help out one of my guild members after he(my guildie) get unhappy about getting PKed so much in the game.
I'd say the ultimate result of this whole situation was better than had it not happened. The new guy resulted with more free stuff. he also learned a harsh lesson about the dangers of Siege. As such, he will likely be more careful with the lend-out equipment NEW supplies him with.

 

[imported_Luka Melehan]

Oh boy. I am not even going to comment on the egos.

HOwever, I have been a member of TnT/TnA for a year now and Kat has for all that time, been dilegent in stressing that we are not to attack NEW. She is not obligated to do this. YOu are on Siege. Your going to get killed.

Folks...instead of getting worked up and tattling and pointing fingers and saying who has the right to say what....just go to Shalimar. She handled these situations when I was in NEW and has continued to do so since.

In addition, TnT/TnA does support NEW. Kelmo, myself and others have taken stuff there after house cleaning and in fact another such donation is in the works for early next week.

Any NEW reading this, please...for all the jerks showing there behinds on this forums, there are far more great people. I had a house fall on me, and one request got me almost all my stuff back. For all the times I am drylooted, I have folks X 10 willing to suit me right back up. I really hate this thread, becasue some of these folks at each others throats have helped me at one time or other...folks in both sides of this little tiff.

And for the record, if ya need help, armor, bandies or whatever, PM me. Don't waste your energy here.

 

[Guest]

RTLFC *edited...sorry Goron*
I would like to share my first experiences here on siege.
I had played on pac for about 2 years before I stayed on siege for good. I had created a brand spanking new char here on siege a few times already but since I knew no one and would often get PKed and trash talked OR even just flat out ignored; the experience was no fun so back to trammyland I went.
Then one day while dinking around Moonglow a kindly red offered me his frendship, a check and a few basic supplys. That was all it took I then got in NEW and had the time of my life getting Pked and drylooted.
The moral of the story is this is a game and it's supposed to be fun, so please take a moment to direct our newcomers to Stratics, NEW and to Luna bank to ask for the help they need. It wasn't untill I came to siege that I stared reading stratics. It also wasn't untill I bumped into that one red in Glow that I found out how much comunity and friendship there is on this shard. I would have been playing Siege back in 2002 if only one person had talked to me.

 

[Guest]

Indeed! I know for a fact several of the most hated here on siege secretly support NEW and noobs very generously.

 

[imported_Goron]

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I would like to share my first experiences here on siege.
I had played on pac for about 2 years before I stayed on siege for good. I had created a brand spanking new char here on siege a few times already but since I knew no one and would often get PKed and trash talked OR even just flat out ignored; the experience was no fun so back to trammyland I went.
Then one day while dinking around Moonglow a kindly red offered me his frendship, a check and a few basic supplys. That was all it took I then got in NEW and had the time of my life getting Pked and drylooted.
The moral of the story is this is a game and it's supposed to be fun, so please take a moment to direct our newcomers to Stratics, NEW and to Luna bank to ask for the help they need. It wasn't untill I came to siege that I stared reading stratics. It also wasn't untill I bumped into that one red in Glow that I found out how much comunity and friendship there is on this shard. I would have been playing Siege back in 2002 if only one person had talked to me.

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Not sure if that was directed to me or not but assuming it is (since it is reply to my post), I'd be interested in having Shalimar start asking where someone heard about NEW or who directed them to NEW. I would like to see how many have been referenced by a menacing red named strangelove or a menacing blue named Goron. I don't kill absolute newbs, its not worth my time. I pk for loot. and newbies usually don't have loot. Instead I send them to NEW. I got started in NEW. I indicated Shalimar was my number one most influential person in that other thread, I have a deep respect for NEW. I dare you: go ask NEWs how many times Strangelove has pked them. And while you are at it, ask how many were sent to NEW by Strangelove. Then, come here and tell me about how to treat newbies.

 

[imported_Magnolia]

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NEW is an *excellent* guild, what they do for new citizens to the shard is brilliant, the leadership should give themselves a pat on the back.


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I second this whole heartedly as they are volunteers with a noble goal....

But having said this and my thanks for your good work, I would like to see as part of the NEW's training, an effort to bring the new players here on siege, comprehention of attitude... Instead of reacting negatively to events, use it positively to teach them.. And show them the posibilities of fun even in disaster... Make the lemons into lemonaid for them in your responses to show them the excitement of danger and how to handle it no matter what happens...

 

[Guest]

Sorry dear I forgot the RTLFC.
And in reply to Mag I always tell lil noobs "Go naked, leave happy". Now that they have nerfed the BOS it makes even more sense to take a noob with you to loot and do your bank runs.

 

[imported_Luka Melehan]

don't auto think someone is replying to you because they hit it on your post. Many times I will reply to someone by hitting reply on someone else who I think will be less likely to have thier post deleted. All replies to a deleted post are also deleted.

 

[Guest]

Here is what happend from my side of the story .....



I was askd to see if any NEW leaders were availble to guild a new player to Siege ... It was a DIE member who askd me to see !!!! ONE ....
So i gate to NEW GH &amp; no 1 around . The new person needed a horse so i tame him 1 and by the time I come back to Luna a NEW Co Leader is rolling in ...
She asks me if I can gate to NEW GH and I do , during all this Sonneillon Pyro is in &amp; out of the bank....

I gate us and go to gate myself when Sonneillon Pyro rushes the gate &amp; goes through... He starts killing everyone that was in the party attacks me so I cast a EV &amp; the 1 DIE guy that used to be NEW runs upstairs and starts casting from there...

Righty shows up for nowhere and asks what the hells going on and stops the madness that was Sonneillon Pyro !!!!!!

He does calm everything "Righty" down and everything goes back to normal ....
No matter who was there Sonneillon Pyro was wrong for attacking at NEW GH ....
He knew what was going down , we wern't going to DOOM or do a Peerless we were helping make a NEW charter .... But ass hats are in every game !!!!!

FOV is no friend of DIE either !!!!! We do not like their actions but when NEW business is going on you know where it's going and what is about to happen ...

This may be the problem with why new people come here and BONE THE F OUT when they see such reckless violence . I personaly love it !! I love the rush i get from the game . I love it that I can lose all my crap at every turn in the game . I love the PKERS but thats me , I'm crazy like that &amp; thats why I play Siege ....

But for some guy coming off a prodo shard for the first time , has no clue that you can't trust anyone here &amp; your gonna be gang attackd and dry looted till no tomorrow !!! He'll run away from SIEGE everytime !!!!!

I'm not mad at anyone and not pointing fingers at whos right whos wrong ....
I just posted this because The murderer said his 2 words so I thought me a witness and prior victim to Sonneillon Pyro should say something too !!!! And thats the whole Poop and nothing but the Poop so help me BOB ...

 

[imported_Goron]

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But for some guy coming off a prodo shard for the first time , has no clue that you can't trust anyone here &amp; your gonna be gang attackd and dry looted till no tomorrow !!! He'll run away from SIEGE everytime !!!!!


[/ QUOTE ] I respectfully disagree.
As I previously stated, most newbies I come across had been PKed multiple times prior to my meeting them. yet they stayed on Siege.
Also, most are very cautious around reds. They (may) come with a trammel prodoshard mentality, which means if u see a red u are in fel and only pks are in fel. So they expect me to kill them almost every time I see them.

Last night I bumped into a newbie running into moonglow. I follow him in, assessing if he is new or not. Upon deciding he likely was, I ask "are you new to siege?" He responds "guardsyes". he had pretyped guards. He expected me to attack. He was ready. He knew the danger yet came to siege anyways. (On a side note, he had NOT been pked prior to me meeting him, apparently I caught him in the first 5 minutes of his character's existance). I asked him if he knew about NEW. He responded with something along the lines of "if you are going to kill me, just do it". Again, he was apprehensive and suspicious of me. He expected me to try and trick him with this 'NEW' idea. He expected to be PKed, yet he came to Siege. It took me a bit of explaining to ensure him the NEW was real, and what they were. We parted ways shortly after, me giving him the NEW website, my icq, and my standard 'you wil die a lot a lot a lot a lot a lot; don't take it personally.' spiel.

My experience with newbies often reflects my experience alst night. They come to siege thinking it is full of murderous pks (it is in a way) so they come expecting to die. They come expecting to be dry looted by every red. They come and they try. So I think what you wrote (quoted above) is completely false on all levels.
Thats just my opinion based on my experiences.

 

[Guest]

Ok what 10% stay and the other 90% flee ????
5% of those are the noobies that are not really noobs ... They are prepard to die and someone has told them of Siege , like a friend and people talking at their prodo shard bank ... Like myself , when I came here I may have been a noob to Siege but in no way was I a noob . I played UO , so I knew about Siege from my friends who had played here a long time ago &amp; knew I was gonna die alot from what he told me ...

You may have forgot what it is to be a noob again and those are the noobies that are not really noobs ... They are prepard to die and someone has told them of Siege , like a friend and people talking at their prodo shard bank ... Like myself , when I came here I may have been a noob to Siege but in no way was I a noob . I played UO , so I knew about Siege from my friends who had played here a long time ago &amp; knew I was gonna die alot from what he told me ...

You may have forgot what it is or means to be a new person and have no clue whats going on here , cause that was the case of the guy I was trying to help last night ... If you were there and had witnessed what I saw maybe then youd know what I'm talking about ... The guy you talkd to last night was like me a noob to Siege &amp; knew what was up but no typical noob . I'm sure blue or red he thought he was gonna get killed . This is Siege for god's sake and it is what drives us all to it . Prodo shards suck,insurance is a joke &amp; if I'm gonna pay to play I'll play here .
But as you said "I respectfully disagree" it's your right and as is mine too . So being said , I respectfully disagreewith you too !!!





CAN ANYONE SAY CHICKEN FIGHT

Hehehehehe lol

 

[Guest]

Lol, Goron, that's a funny story.

Sounds like someone who might become a real siege'er soon. That's pretty much how I arrived on the shard too.

 

[Rykus]

I'm not going to read this whole thread, but from the wording of the title I gotta ask if there is an epidemic of erectile dysfunction on Siege lately? I know it wasn't a problem when I still had active accounts here.

 

[Guest]

hehe wow what a mountain of a thread out of such a molehill of a situation.

good times good times.

 

[Alvo]

"why should he feel he has to contact you directly its not like your people actually listen to you" -Mogluck

I havent been part of this guild long but i can tell you that every member respects Kat and does as she wishes.

The problem is that you are commenting on things you have no idea about which makes you look completely asinine. I dont remember ever seeing the name "Mo'Gluck" with a TNT/TNA tag next to it, so how the hell would you know what goes on within the guild?




"you don't have the right to say what is uncalled for or not...." Mogluck

And who does? The high and mighty moderator Mogluck, and only Mogluck??? You made your comment in a public forum therefore giving any reader the right to state their own opinion. It sounds as if the all powerful and all knowing stratics moderator feels as if his authority is being challenged. Maybe it's time for you to get over yourself.

 

[Guest]

LOL , I know it's funny stuff. When I got up and saw all this I was like LMAO

..... So I had to put in my 2 cents worth too ...

LOL

 

[imported_Krystal]

i have killed "new" but i dont loot, and sometimes rez. but i have had ALOT of new that are now good players come say to me, "ur reason i stayed i wanted revenge", or "u showed me how exciting sp can be, its dangerous and not like the tremmie crap" and im not saying some, im saying a lot of retired members of new has said this to me.

everyone has a difference of opinion on what and how we should handle new, no one is right, no one is wrong! all depends on the new player and if they can handle the dangers of siege that makes siege #1!

 

[imported_mo'gluk]

keep tryin alvo... I am not saying that I do have a right ... what I am saying is that bruin has every right to come to a public forum ... there is no special rule written that one must go to a guild leader when you have a problem with a person. has anyone ever approached the alliance about their use of pets ... did you go and say wanna change your policy or I don't like what your doing.... no but every hey feel free to come here and bash them... its hypocritical to expect others to come to you privately about issues with you.....but when you have an issue you come to forum...man what can I say....

*goes in search of cidur*