they are not old. still obtainable by blowing yourself up with the armagedon spell. you put a peice of blackrock by your foot, then say the spell (you have to have high magery or necro, both together work best ive found) the spell is a long confusing word which i forget exactly. if it blows you up doing 6k damage it kills you and your body explodes into a head, torso, and 2 arms and legs. its very weird. had to do with the blackrock infection, and the defense of majincia when it was destroyed.