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I cant see how 1 player with 1 account can really do anything worthwhile in UO. I do feel really bad for people who try and grind with 1 account.
Personally I keep 10 accounts open but I gotta pay for 10 accounts thats the bad part lol
No one tells new players where to start... just like when I started they start usually somewhere that seems "close" to where they live...
And obviously you are wearing rose collored glasses and don't see the droves of people leaving UO... the hundreds of posts of people fed up and dissatisfied all the time... nice keep dreaming...
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New players should be starting on Atlantic if they want the proper help to get up to speed. If someone isn't capable of being self-sufficient in this game, they have no business starting elsewhere.
We have had a pretty sizable influx of players on Atlantic ever since the expansion was released. There will likely be a drop off during the summer time and then another pick up in the fall. There are always people coming and going, that's the nature of this game.
Your free to buy whatever junk ya want and watch it break. My gold is staying in the bank and isn't entering the economy for it. I got great suits and my template isn't trashed at the whim of the dev team. I like that. I'm not gonna hope I can get a group together to get something I need to keep my template together long after the new awesome dungeon has gone cold and no one wants to go there anymore. I love this fallacy that somehow this junk lasts for years, lol. It's a lie and a major joke, total nonsense. Sure if you don't play it probably lasts forever lol. I get months outta these sort of items at best. I'm retired and play a LOT. I've never came across this magical lasts forever stuff.
It's pointless not to make items POFable as they are going to be old news and obsolete with the next big publish anyway, well that's their plan. Many here say they aren't even bothering trying to get the new items as the drop rate is so low. So now people aren't buying them if they were available and people aren't even bothering to look for them due to the drop rate. It's pretty clear the wheels have fallen off the bus with this direction of thinking. The whole items system has gone upside down and backwards. At any rate, *if* you do happen on the rare drop stuff that can't be POFed I ain't hunting for it or buying it
AND they should make it perfectly clear to new players what junk can't be POFed. It needs to be right there on the item. Cause I hate seeing new players getting ripped off. It can get pretty confusing to even me at times if an item is POFable or junk. Lots of stuff that aren't artifacts can't be POFed and it's a scam having to go to web pages and do research just to find out an items real properties.I am finding that my VvV items on my MAGE is having to be repaired every 2 or 3 hunts. He doesn't take the damage of a dexxer, but the durability on that stuff drops like a rock, in my opinion.
i get about 2 hours of taking very heavy continuous damage on a sampire out of them. thats almost 100 hours of playing my samp, and still good life in them. considering there free, its a great option if you dont have gold, or just want to stat boost. i can get 2 more with my free silver, and thinking that will last me till my time uo is over (a couple years)
i have noticed very strange things with anitque gear and durability loss. it might have something to do with just being in combat, its probably some wierd formula with something other than just the normal damage taken gives durability loss thrown in. like you take loss when a bard song is just active.
Yeah I've been training a pet at the shadow ele and just standing there and the durability just drops off. Also training archery on a wolf spider and it decreases. I'm not taking any damage in either case but I guess it's considered "in combat" and triggers it.
I thought a little bit about this, and you know, it highly depends on what content you're doing, somethings cause your gear to take more damage than others.
now I don't farm things like the Grizzle or any mobs that drop that "Acid" that takes your gear down in chunks of 20-30 points of durability each time it hits you, no. It wouldn't be reasonable to say someone "Only" farms things like the grizzle.
but if I do champ spawns for example, I'm not going to do only Barracoon spawns (which has the lowest durability loss from your items) . I do all champ spawns, the drop-rate of powerscrolls does not differentiate between the different spawn types, the Replicas do. So I normally do Barracoon the least amount.
The amount of durability you lose also depends on which template you play.
I play a Wammie... Most other people seem to play a Sampire for champ spawns.
Evasion, causes your weapon to be what takes durability damage (from parry) thus my reasoning stating that templates matter in this.
I'd say on average I need to repair my armor approximately every 2-4spawns depending on which ones I've done. (I normally Repair at ~20-30/255) normally I'm pretty good at repairing my items before they hit 0/255. Once my imbued items reach less than 100 durability I've gotta repair every 1-2 spawns. in that case, it's where I replace pieces. (if they're not pof-able)
Edit: Client flipping is fast at times, if you have epilepsy it's probably not a good idea to watch this video.
Also, There were deaths on VirtueBane- Literally the only time there's a death on that fight it happens exactly the same way Everytime.
Point proven 33% droprate (shown at the end of the video)
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I must say i am impressed. Initially i thought ohh another multiboxer...
But I was wrong. Seems there are still honest people out there.
One question.
I saw a sampire doing the fight.
3(?) Necro Weaver for the Mob
2 bards for the music.
What excatly is the role of the 3 dudes in the north East corner?
But I was wrong. Seems there are still honest people out there.
One question.
I saw a sampire doing the fight.
3(?) Necro Weaver for the Mob
2 bards for the music.
What excatly is the role of the 3 dudes in the north East corner?
1 wammie that I used on every boss
4 bards total only two used on every boss - taken only to increase drop chances.
2 sampires only used on the lich - I have these guys there mostly to increase my chances of getting drops
2 necro-weavers that I use to control spawn.
In the video when I switched to the other guys in the corner, I only do that so they don't lose connection from idleness, so far I've not gotten a drop on any character if they've disconnected during a roof run, It could be just terrible drop-rates though...
So you don't hit the last Boss with all 9 but still get drop on all 9? I thought you need to really hit also
I run 4 accounts typically. I'm short one repond for two Cameo sets.
The drop rates on all items seemed a little higher when it first came out.
Question. characters that are idol that do nothing. Do they ever get drops?
Or should I ask. The drop rate of those that are idol lower then the rest of the guys?
Thank you
The drop rates on all items seemed a little higher when it first came out.
Question. characters that are idol that do nothing. Do they ever get drops?
Or should I ask. The drop rate of those that are idol lower then the rest of the guys?
Thank you
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I'll try and condense how I feel about this in general. If it wears out it should be kinda reasonable to get one. Shouldn't need like 5 people doing some insane spawn and maybe someone gets something every 5th time. If it can be POFed, or doesn't even have a durability tag, that should be a pretty tough thing to find. That's reasonable. Those should be around too I think. Sorta like hitting a really good EM drop. The stuff dreams are made of. Now make something that's a super rare drop, that isn't easy to get, then make it wear out on top of that. That's just messed up. That makes no sense. Crafters like to make a living too. I know there are a few crafters that make a nice coin selling me POF over and over.
You get drops from completing all the rooms, once the "Roof" is complete, it distributes drops to everyone that was on that part of the quest if RNG permits.
you do not need looting rights to get a drop.
Right, I could kill all 4 bosses with one character, and have the other 8 sit in the corner and do absolutely nothing. I'd still have to do each room to go again.
Hitting the 4th boss only gives you more loot on the corpse, if you break party.
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So you need to break party to get the increased loot on the corpse? Have you done the roof both ways, ie, staying in party and breaking party? If so, have you noticed any change in the drop rate of the arties? If you get increased loot on the corpse if you break party then it seems worthwhile to do so and get multiple chars with looting rights. Unless, of course, the arty drop rate is higher when staying in party.
Yes I've done it by dropping party the first 40+ times, except depending on which boss I found it very difficult to sort through all the loot with each character before I was kicked back to the lobby, so I'd occasionally miss loot.
I don't run any scripts so... disadvantage much? It's harder for honest players to do this, which was my entire reasoning for recording the encounter in full screen so everyone could see what I was running.
The artifact drop-rate seems unaffected if party is or is not broken.
What about UO isn't an insane grind? Here to show an example: I had my younger brother open an account last weekend (he had been somewhat interested in uo for a while but for various reasons I told him not to play). After figuring out basics in haven, he asked me for some direction, which got us on the subject of templates. We got that taken care of and he asked what he could actually do in the game now..... My answer, farm graveyards for a month(skill gains), realizing that every item that drops is total crap and in the end u got less gold then I can make at a single champ (30 minutes work). I then shown him what its going to be like to get items ( did 3 medusas got 0 drops), also the stat scrolls from the harrow ( Baja shard has none he gonna have to pay RL cash to get, same with 90% of his skill scrolls). Long story short, he already leaving UO for a game that's 'less grindy' and that 'Hits his RP spot', both which are not UO qualities anymore. In effect UO is becoming quickly akin to summoners war, where I log in grind for hours while bored log off and go do other things, because that's all this game is now days, grind grind grind (and spend rl money due to economy being crap). Yeah he could of started on ATL then we wouldn't be playing together, why after 15+ years of UO should I have to move to ATL to have a player base big enough to actually play uo in a viable way?
I have been a loyal customer, please be loyal Devs.
I have been a loyal customer, please be loyal Devs.
Cos thats where its at these days! If I was introducing any new player to UO I would tell them to play on Atlantic. At least it looks like there is still life in the game over there.
I myself play Europa. I also have a full set of characters over on Atlantic so when my home shard is quiet I can sign in there and play. You don't need to move everything over there just make new chars so you can play Atlantic and another shard.
My connection to ATL isn't great as I am in Europe and when Atlantic is "prime time" I'm usually off to bed. I just deal with it and play. No point moaning. I don't think anything will change about the dead shards anytime soon. Thats the way I look at it.
What's the verdict guys @Kyronix @Bleak?
Once during a meet & greet, we were told these things (Shadowguard Artifacts) would be Repairable, PoF-able, but not Alter-able... Then shortly thereafter we were told "We don't want items to last forever".
We were also told during a Meet & Greet, that Jewelry will remain non-PoF-able. I want to bring this up because perhaps you dont realize how rare "Clean" jewelry is.
There's gotta be a reason to hunt for "Clean" items, particularly Legendaries, Everything except Jewelry is PoF-able. it really does not make sense that jewelry would be any different than Armor or Weapons.
A word about why the Gargoyle versions of these items do not seem to be dropping would be pretty nice as well.
Once during a meet & greet, we were told these things (Shadowguard Artifacts) would be Repairable, PoF-able, but not Alter-able... Then shortly thereafter we were told "We don't want items to last forever".
We were also told during a Meet & Greet, that Jewelry will remain non-PoF-able. I want to bring this up because perhaps you dont realize how rare "Clean" jewelry is.
There's gotta be a reason to hunt for "Clean" items, particularly Legendaries, Everything except Jewelry is PoF-able. it really does not make sense that jewelry would be any different than Armor or Weapons.
A word about why the Gargoyle versions of these items do not seem to be dropping would be pretty nice as well.
The verdict is the same as when we addressed this in a recent Meet & Greet. There needs to be a balance between items lasting forever and the cycling out of items to drive the economic wheel. We'll evaluate the viability of expanding the use of powder of fortification with this in mind.
I do appreciate the reply @Kyronix ! You're the most active of all the Devs when it comes to communicating with us here on the forums. Thanks!
I've done a quick search here this seems to be the most recent M&G with this topic being brought up.... Here
Specific Quote below.
If this is correct... There's no motivation in farming for "Clean" legendaries because there's no difference between clean, brittle, imbued ones... besides the "look" (no negatives). - Really?
Since they both lose durability at the same rate and neither can be PoF'd. - This kills PvM content. maybe there should be "Uses Remaining" on all Decorative items that make sounds/animations when double clicked?
I've gotta bring the "Slither" back into play here, among many other items that "Last forever" and are still being Sold and Traded almost every single day.
What gives?
I've done a quick search here this seems to be the most recent M&G with this topic being brought up.... Here
Specific Quote below.
Is this correct, or maybe there is something more recent?
If this is correct... There's no motivation in farming for "Clean" legendaries because there's no difference between clean, brittle, imbued ones... besides the "look" (no negatives). - Really?
Since they both lose durability at the same rate and neither can be PoF'd. - This kills PvM content. maybe there should be "Uses Remaining" on all Decorative items that make sounds/animations when double clicked?
I've gotta bring the "Slither" back into play here, among many other items that "Last forever" and are still being Sold and Traded almost every single day.
What gives?
I just don't get why we can't have suits/weapons that last (this item last forever, this item can't be repaired, this item is brittle it's just to much). So many combinations making a good suit and some pieces are irreplaceable. So many characters so many accounts only to have temp suits/weapons. I really don't think this is the answer for keeping areas vibrant. With shadowguard in particular and the nasty RNG the juice is not worth the squeeze. I really enjoy UO but hate the RNG and grind, seems like everything now is based off this. 18 going on almost 19 years of extensive play and these are the things I am seeing
CONS: PVP has almost died, VVV is a failure- sorry no content to it but maybe in the future? PVM is nothing great you can hunt basically 3-4 monsters for high end loot and that's it. IDOCS have been destroyed with new timer system. Crafting has been nerfed bc you can't get better than the high end loot. Economy gets worse and worse every month
PROS: I have shard shields to visit all those dead shards. I really have enjoyed the new banking system and vendor search. I am sure there are 15 other things I have liked in the last year but the meat and potatoes that I want to see tweaked/changed are in the above paragraph.
To end my rant
"This is your life and its ending one grind session at a time.”
Interesting. It sounds like the more accounts you use, the more drops you get. I've done roof about 50 times in a two man group. We probably average a drop between the two of us every 2.5 runs. Only seen a cameo ONCE between the two of us. We've been on a dry spell for the past 40+ runs with zero cameos. Is it really worth using 9 accounts though? Can't imagine how long it takes to room up 9 accounts! Roof can still be soloed on one account even after the boss buff. Ideally, you'd run it with a second account and have a hidden resser for the accidental deaths...specifically for blood oath. It's such a dumb mechanic...I always insta-die if I can't TAB out fast enough because i do 250+ damage every hit.
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As far as the time saved, sure it's worth it. but I'm done farming it now, I literally only did that last run to record it, I've gotten my full set of cameos, and I will not be farming for more until they're PoF-able. As far as the Corpse loot- I get the same stuff other places, what's so special about Shadowguard? the set up is fun, but after doing it as many times as I have it's not anywhere near as much fun anymore.
Maybe if you had a chance at something for each room, instead of only on the completion of the "Roof", I would probably still farm it. I get a cameo about every 10-15 runs (WITH 9 Accounts) Not Worth.
and its one of the most wanted and expensive items (suit wise) in the whole game.
Definitely understand. Repeating roof everyday can get dull, especially doing the rooms. My biggest challenge is finding someone to do the rooms/roof with. It's just awful doing it solo on one account because the spawn is so slow. I will ask people to join my group and exit, just so the spawn for armory or fountain is faster. I also wouldn't mind POFable cameos because of how difficult it is for me to farm them.
Would be interesting if the "Owned By" versions had no durability like Conjurer's trinket but the trade off is...it should be account or character bound on equip.
So just curious, what are you going to farm/hunt now? Doesn't seem like any other content is worth farming because most things have an awful drop rate for legendaries, which is a shame. That or the drop rate of artifacts (like slither, crimson cincture, or tinker legs) is awfully low for the time spent.
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Right, it's expensive because of the PvP usability, Cameos work in both Pvm & PvP very well. except being more of a PvM item (IMO) Slithers & Cameos should be switched around, or they should both either Not have Durability, or they should be PoF-able.
This "economic wheel" is an illusion- if you want the Economy going again (and be more new-player friendly) There is a Gold Purge in order.
Unfortunately most of the playerbase probably wouldn't go for that (there are tons of people out there who buy gold) I am not one of them.
of course with the inflation, anyone could make 50-500m per item, incase you didn't notice I didn't loot ANY gold at the end of that video... you know why? because every item I picked up, and most of the items I even through in my "trash" box, are worth more gold than what was on the ground.
Hah, probably nothing anytime soon, I've been on UO an ungodly amount of hours as of late, probably going to take a break from pvm...So what will you be hunting/farming now that you're done with shadowguard?
I feel the time it takes for me to get anything worthwhile from non-boss mobs isn't worth it. which makes bosses the only viable mobs for me to farm... I despise farming keys though, so... it's back to pvp for me I guess.