Don't that this the wrong way, but I understand where you're coming from on some things - but you aren't helping your case by making other statements in the same reply that ring as hollow as a bell.
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Thats nice good for you, you can use the "well it would be easy to script" arguement for just about anything.
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Especially when it's TRUE. You don't want a mindless quest for anything that can be so easily repeatable. Quests for some of the rare ingredients would be great, if you could limit the quests to only those sitting at their computer. It's not a matter of protecting the market for the peerless fighters, it's a matter of regulating the use of illegal playstyles. If you ignore the diseased bark, which people GIVE to me because they don't want, I can count the fight-specific ingredients I've gotten on my fingers, with fingers left over.
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You wish to play a crafter that can fight.
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And, less than half of what I suggested had anything to do with crafters that fight; the rest was means of a non-fighter to use the gargoyle picks in a way to still get the benefits with a lot less chance of dying.
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I wish to play and role play a crafter that justs crafts, he has no fighting skills. He is solely focused on his craft (as a real life blacksmith would have devoted his lifetime to his craft) now yes I had to add mining into him, so he is not a true life blacksmith, but this is only a game.
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You really don't know anything about the history of smithing, do you? It was only in the last three or four centuries, that smiths didn't get their own ore personally (and yes, kept those spots to themselves). Prior to that, it was only some of the more labor-intensive ores that had large organized mines separate from the crafting profession (copper, that supplied for copper, brass and bronze smiths). Most rural blacksmiths tended to reuse scrap iron, or find small outcroppings of iron ore they'd go to as needed for ore, and dig personally, or had their children do the dirty work. While some town smith guilds had their iron ore brought in, it was typically stuff mined by the rural blacksmiths, and made it to town as part of their rent payments or tax payments (resold by the person that received them).
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I did not give any specific examples of how to include non-fighters in peerless ingreidents, because that is a totally different topic. But heck why not a 2% or 5% chance when you turn in a blacksmith bod (just for example), instead of gold you might get a peerless ingreident? You will most likely say no because then it lowers to price for peerless regs gotten through combat.
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You sure like putting words in the mouths of others, don't you? I would LOVE to see other means that would provide the ingredients. The tricky part is doing so that it doesn't get abused. One of the most crippling things to occur to NON-scripting miners and leather gatherers happened because of GOLD scripters (the bag of sending changes) - and of course, that also affected the crafters - whether they were combat capable or not, whether they bought or acquired personally their raw materials. Your suggestion as a BOD reward would be good, but do it like the chance for a special colored anvil is now (small chance for a mid-range LBOD), with the reward usually being 5 of a random common ingredient, with a slight chance of one of the top-end ones. It would work really good, to replace all the 105/110 Powerscrolls for Tailors and smiths with these.
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Point is I would like a chance (not a gaurantee) to earn them somehow, I do not care if the chance is only 1%, it would still give a non-combat player something to strive for.
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AMEN! BTW, they are going to be making plant resources for the chocolate ingredients in the next few publishes - already been stated, so I deleted that paragraph as not all that relevant. Chocolate will be doable without combat eventually, and anyone stupid enough to risk their account to get the ingredients, is wasting their time.
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My whole point is their are people that play UO as non-combative players, they should have a chance to play as they wish....
If combat is not your style, with the resource changes you do not have a choice anymore. You have to be a combat miner. You want me to play to your style.
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I NEVER SAID ANY SUCH THING. In fact, I went out of my way to list ways of dealing with the elementals that didn't involve combat. Elevating the sites with a gargoyle pick and/or a prospector tool has nothing to do with combat directly. The only worry is the eles, and I covered several means to avoid them (guard zones, letting the local spawn kill them for you, having a 0-taming-required pet defend you, etc.).
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I have never used a packie, blue beetle, or fire beetle. I already use garg pickaxes and prospectors tools. I have been a blacksmith for along time, in fact I was a gm before you could recycle armor/weapons, I was not here at launch but I was close. Why can not my style be supported too?
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If you don't use pack animals or a fire beetle, then I guess you buy all your ingots, right? Because of that statement, I can't believe that you actually mine. Because, unless you're carrying around one of those old illegal forges, that means you'd be recalling to your house after EVERY spot you mined - sometimes making two or three trips per spot, mining in Fel. Remember, before ML, you could only fit 30 full-sized ore in your backpack. - and it's still only in the mid-40s with the larger packs. 40 ore is a below-normal spot in the good Fel mining areas.
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I only saw heavy scripting for colored ingots/woods (though I am sure there were some people ther are always greedy people) when they were added into the collections (library/museum), until then what was scripted was iron ingots, cause there is always a need for them.
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Strange, because from almost day one of my becoming a miner, 5 years ago this month, I was constantly finding heaps of iron ore lying on the ground amost anywhere I mined, and kept having people recall in and out in front of me - even trying to mine the same colored ore I was working. This was before the collections - hell, for two years before the Fire beetle - and one one of the lowest-population shards. I've NEVER seen an iron ore mining scripter. It was only after ML that the iron piles disappeared, from all the people going through thousands of ingots scripting the library for the mace and shield glasses. In other words, the exact opposite of your scenario.
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I "worked" my butt off "prospecting" for different colored ore spots for years.
I had a full book for every color except valorite. I never had trouble getting ingots. But I also did not abuse my findings, nor did I share my spots. To use your real world example I found gold, I logged my claim, but I sure as heck was not going to share that location with anyone else except the government claims office. I give you an UO example since colored ores have been in the game, I have only mined up about 80,000 valorite ingots, period. Because I have never gotten a valorite bod yet. (large or small, just rng bad luck) so I have never used any that I have mined, except I made a full plate suit just for the color (this was before element resists, when we still had the ar system). So I know nearly exactly how many valorite ingots I have gotten. I do not feel I abused my valorite spots. Abuse ran rampant with the collections, take colored ingots/woods off those and watch these return to those who just use them for crafting and enhancing. Once you get rid of the amount of the backstocked inventories. Those higher colors will be rare again.
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Again, I'm having a hard time believing you. I've gone through about the same amount of valorite as you've mined, enhancing looted items, and crafting the occasional valorite item for friends - all of it personally mined. You sound more like an ingot hoarder, than a crafter, if you have not found SOME use for the ingots - or keep mining them when you don't have a use. Every miner I've personally known, if they aren't mining to sell, stop mining specific ores completely, if they get above 2-10k ingots of a specific type, and aren't using them for anything.
By the way, I prospected my own sites too - between a set of books I recovered from an IDOC (where someone had done the same) during the great housing sweep (about the only way a person like me could go to a house fall, was to have 20 fall at once to distract the pros) and my own, I had 1 book for gold, 2 for every other type - all of which were rendered near-useless by the changes.
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Those players that complained that there was never any ore available because it was scripted are full of BS. They were lazy players that did not search out their own spots, more likely they bought a runebook with the most know/common sites. And the arguement that ore veins should run out because its not realistic is BS too. There are many mines/surface mining areas the world over that have been continuously mined for 1000s of years, that are still producing the same minerals year after year, decade after decade, century after century.
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This, I can agree on, wholeheartedly. There was no reason to go to such rapid changes in ore type. A small chance once a year I might understand (for every 100 year mine, there are hundreds that played out within a couple years), but not day to day.
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Have you actually looked at the prices for ingots, since the resource changes and these few bannings?
Prices of all ingots (not just the higher colors; agapite and up) have quadrupled at least on Lake Superior. DC on LS used to go for about 20-25 each now if you can find them on a vendor (the few I checked today) 1000 DC ingots are now 100,000, thats the price valorite used to go for, i do not want to know what its going for now.
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Yeah - with the new BOD changes, I'm getting 10x more DC BODs than I can mine the ingots for. But, DC hadn't been under 30 on Lake Austin for 2 years, and I can't even FIND an ingot vendor anymore (other than my Guildmaster, who puts his extras for the day, in lots under 1000 ingots, on a vendor in his house).
We agree on a LOT more than you think - but you seem to be getting a lot ofthings out of my words that I just didn't say, and have made some observations that to me sound like someone saying "I know it's white because it's pitch black". The claim that you carry all your ore in your pack, never using a packy, doesn't help, either.
