Wow...

[themaster879]

wow i go afk in my house and i die because some newb decides he wants to cast some natures fury INTO my house. this has got to change, i dont want to have to worry about dieing going afk at my house. i mean come on...... oh and if i see the guy who killed me he better watch out.....

 

[Guest]

Just for future reference, in case you were unaware, you can hide 100% of the time with no skill points in hiding if your in your house.

 

[themaster879]

doesn't matter i shouldn't have to hide at all inside my own house. this is some real BS here that people can cast nature's fury inside houses.

 

[Asmodai/Embryo]

rofl oldest trick in the book. love killing people afk in houses!

 

[themaster879]

wtf ever dude that is the lamest things you could do. i guess the guy was tired of getting pwned by BC at spawns so he has to resort to killing a crafter inside a house :/

 

[imported_xStrikerx]

Dont expect to be safe ANYWHERE in fel. Being able to cast furies through walls is lame, not because it can be done, but because it is the only spell that can do this.

 

[Cogniac]

I miss the days of EQing invisible people through walls.

Bring back pre-casting, biotch! Wait, no, that's not right.

 

[Guest]

Actually if you care to get technical it is against the ROC to go afk and be logged into the game. I personally have been put in jail for going afk and not being able to respond to a gm.. as stated in the ROC which the email was sure to mention you must be at keys at all times or log out!

 

[Guest]

wow greifers unite!
Ultima Online needs MAJOR line of sight and agro changes. i hear doubling your walls in your house fix this. so in stead of
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you do this
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[Cogniac]

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Actually if you care to get technical it is against the ROC to go afk and be logged into the game. I personally have been put in jail for going afk and not being able to respond to a gm.. as stated in the ROC which the email was sure to mention you must be at keys at all times or log out!

[/ QUOTE ]But that's only if we care to get technical. If you want to get Super Ultra Mega Donkey Donkey Hyper Steve Elvis America technical: If this rule was meant to be enforced to the letter of the law, the feature in the client where it automatically disconnects you if you have been idle for too long would be replaced by a feature which auto-bans you if you have been idle for too long, thus ensuring continued revenue and success for Ultima Online, obviously.

I like to refer to the "banned for being afk" rule as the "Al Capone Rule." If you can't catch them on racketeering, go for tax evasion instead.

 

[imported_dexdash]

"going, going, going, Back to Trammy Trammy Trammy"

 

[Guest]

All good, I personally afk all the time, was just stating facts. There is also risks with living in "fel".. can't handle them then there is lots of house placements in tramville!

 

[themaster879]

wow, for one i love living in fel. i like to be able to kill anything and anyone outside my house. it is the fact that i was killed INSIDE my house with a clear exploit that pisses me off. and for the record i pvped back when it was REAL pvp. pre aos was the only true pvp now a days its just gankers and hackers. :/

 

[Guest]

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Actually if you care to get technical it is against the ROC to go afk and be logged into the game.

[/ QUOTE ]
I just read through the RoC (thinking maybe i had missed that somewhere) but am unable to find anything that is even close to what your saying in the above quote. Can you point it out to me?

 

[imported_Electrolyte]

inside your house or not, you go afk in fel, get killed, and expect sympathy for it?? at least you only lost a little bit of gold from insurance...

...I get that the spell that killed you was used in a not so legal way, but i'm not entirely certain that I would advertise getting myself killed by not paying attention!

(not that I haven't gotten myself killed from not paying attention, I just wouldn't start a thread about it and expexct sympathy for it)

meh

-=\E

 

[themaster879]

wow all you people are missing the point of my post, i don't care about being killed...... i just don't like being killed inside my house. understand now? i pvped for many years, dieing is nothing its how i die. give me a 1 on 1 not you fight my crafter while i left him afk in my house to grab a drink and stuff. and as for me wanting your sympathy you couldn't be more wrong, i don't give a crap what you think :/

 

[Guest]

- Unless you are 'actively' doing something, then you are supposed to insta-log when inside your house.
Me, I take the time to push one button and insta-hide when in my house, prior to logging out(fel&amp;tram).

This reminds me of the MADtv skits that were on last Saturday. The guy is upset that the police will not press charges, and proceeds to ramble on about all the crimes he had already committed to get to that point. When being cuffed, he finally realizes what's up and says 'I must be the stupidest person in the world, huh?'.

 

[Guest]

I think we get what you are saying but what you arn't getting is the sympathy you come looking for... sorry

 

[Guest]

I will look back threw my email and see if I can find the exact email.. will take me a few!

 

[imported_Electrolyte]

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and as for me wanting your sympathy you couldn't be more wrong, i don't give a crap what you think :/

[/ QUOTE ]

well see, that just can't possibly be true, or you would have just sent his scenario in as feedback, instead of coming on the boards and telling this story, then continuing to defend your, what can only be described as embarassing, story... And THEN feel the need to follow it all up with a statement saying how much you don't care what people think...

I think you do care... I think you care a lot

-=\E

 

[themaster879]

.....i do not want your sympathy i just wanted to warn people about the newbs that want to kill people that are afk in their houses. please take your sympathy and shove it :/

 

[Maximinus Thrax]

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Actually if you care to get technical it is against the ROC to go afk and be logged into the game. I personally have been put in jail for going afk and not being able to respond to a gm.. as stated in the ROC which the email was sure to mention you must be at keys at all times or log out!

[/ QUOTE ]

I haven't seen a GM since I played in the beta. Though I admit I didn't play UO for 6-7 years between beta and SE, good luck ever having a GM come visit you while you're AFK and on the crapper, let alone have one actually come help you.

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As for afk dying in house to a fury - live and learn... or shall I say - Die and Learn! LALO!!L

 

[Guest]

- I had a GM visit me two months ago when I had an issue. I have had GMs appear in about 85% of my situations. I had one appear in '97 and I have had one appear in '08. I know they do not always appear; yet... they still undoubtedly do.

 

[Guest]

I will almost *always* invis or hide before going AFK anywhere...even my house on occasion. I live in a quiet locations with nice neighbors...but you never know what or who could be wandering by. I suppose it's a habit I've developed, like locking the door or something.

 

[Redxpanda]

This shouldn't bother or surprize u since most PKs are looking for easy kills. How could u expect anything less. They should fix that stupid bug though.

 

[Guest]

and you think people don't already know about this "bug"? If you think that you are crazy! I guess I just like killing people that are afk for the laugh of it, you know the saying... "little things amuse little minds" yup thats me!

 

[Guest]

I don't think I've seen a day in 9 yrs of UO when you couldn't kill a player inside their house in Fel Just hide when you go AFK.

If you're determined that you should be safe while visible in your house, build double walls. But the easiest solution is to hide or log out when you're AFK.

I don't really see the need to fix this - unless it is also fixed that a player can't fight from inside his house or start fights then retreat there.

Wenchy

 

[Guest]

The people that are doing this are not "newbs". At least not the way we know them. This is a complete different breed from what we are used too. They know what they are doing! They know that there is not a GM in sight and thats what they rely on. This new breed of "newbs" are rejects from WOW and that's all. And that's all they will ever be.

 

[Lord Gareth]

Well I am going to have to agree with the problem.

We have an old player community in Fel. We hold guildmeetings in our tower and ten to thirteen Reds come and they all cast natures fury over and over. Now that kinda is dumb. Should be somewhat safe in your home. Now I can see you leave the door unsecure or have a public home.

But clearly They fixed Blade Spirits from being able to be casted in your home they should fix the nature.

 

[Guest]

Despite the way hes putting his point across, hes got a point.

If the house is private or someone isn't allowed in, they shouldnt be able to attack whoever is inside. A "Security" feature.

Casting nature's fury like this is clearly an exploit and anyone who picks on him for going AFK in his own house (where youd think youre safe) is just missing the point entirely. If it was trammel and somebody lured a creature to your house, where it then cast a revenant on you, for example, you'd be just as annoyed. If not moreso, because its Trammel!

Felucca by its very nature is a land for PvPers and I am sure, more than anyone, those living there know that. But this is why youd set your house to private. Anyone who hasn't gone afk whilst in-game - even for a pee or a drink - is lying! Imagine coming back to find yourself dead, no matter where you are, but especially in your own house. Doesnt really matter the reason - the house was supposed to be safe and due to an exploit, someone killed the owner.

 

[imported_blesh]

RTLFC

While casting nature fury into a home is clearly a bug that needs to be fixed, its up to the player to protect themselves in any situation like this. Raziel, untill this bug is fixed, I suggest when going afk in your fel home, you hide to avoid further annoyance from griefers, and send in a bug report. your going to get farthest via those means.

 

[themaster879]

im sorry bro if what i was saying sounded kind of harsh :/ i just hate when people find exploits in game and uses them

 

[Guest]

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doesn't matter i shouldn't have to hide at all inside my own house. this is some real BS here that people can cast nature's fury inside houses.

[/ QUOTE ]

Well before this gets kicked to S N R dont liek it move out of Fel.Its realy that simple fel you run the risk of dieing get over it.

 

[Kat SP]

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i hear doubling your walls in your house fix this.

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Double walls can help make it more difficult to get them in. Build a borg cube with only teleports to get you inside. Double the north and west walls or all of them if it makes you feel better. Like I said, its helpful, but it wont stop anyone who is determined to get furies inside. You could also build another room inside that to use as sort of a "safe room".

I sat inside a guildies house in Luna, on Siege the other day and watched him desperately trying to get furies into one of the safe rooms in that house. He finally found a way to get them in. I'm fairly certain we've figured out how he did it, but it appears to involve an exploit beyond just being able to get them inside.

It sucks, but it is what it is. I doubt the devs will ever do anything about it.

Create a "remove thyself" macro. Thats always handy too!

 

[ake]

wow learn how build a safe room insted to whineeeee

 

[Masumatek]

I have mixed feelings about those little furies. I've seen plenty people afk skill training in their house, and nature's fury is the only way to kill them. Many people are also cowardly PvPers and hide in their houses. However,, their existence forces you to double the walls of your house to defend against them. A good change would be to require many more skill points to use instead of every human or anyone with very few skill points being able to use it. It would be nice if we could just get rid of nature's fury and remove private housing however.

 

[angelus aconitum]

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Actually if you care to get technical it is against the ROC to go afk and be logged into the game. I personally have been put in jail for going afk and not being able to respond to a gm.. as stated in the ROC which the email was sure to mention you must be at keys at all times or log out!

[/ QUOTE ]But that's only if we care to get technical. If you want to get Super Ultra Mega Donkey Donkey Hyper Steve Elvis America technical: If this rule was meant to be enforced to the letter of the law, the feature in the client where it automatically disconnects you if you have been idle for too long would be replaced by a feature which auto-bans you if you have been idle for too long, thus ensuring continued revenue and success for Ultima Online, obviously.

I like to refer to the "banned for being afk" rule as the "Al Capone Rule." If you can't catch them on racketeering, go for tax evasion instead.

[/ QUOTE ]


If I remember right it was stated by the devs, that if you are logged in and do absolutely nothing, that means not actively using a skill, then you can go afk and it is not against the rules. But if you are using skills, for example with UOAssist, then you would break the rules, because you are actively using a skill while afk. The GMs will first look if you are using a skill and then, if you are using a skill ask you if you are there. If you do not respond within time, then they will put you into that room in Buc's Den, because of unattended macroing.
So hiding in your house is not against the rules and even standing at the bank doing nothing, just standing there, and being afk is not against the rules.
At least that is what I remember from a devs post.

 

[Guest]

Angelus, this is the way I've always understood the AFK 'rule'.

 

[Prudentis]

YAY! For the need of a panic room in UO

 

[Guest]

Lol. There are simple ways to prevent this. Don't be so stupid next time.

 

[imported_onthefifty]

question? why is casting natures fury in a house an exploit?

what about the red archer that sits in his house at yew gate and takes shots at people? isn't natures fury a counter against this?

 

[imported_Trebr Drab]

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Despite the way hes putting his point across, hes got a point.

If the house is private or someone isn't allowed in, they shouldnt be able to attack whoever is inside. A "Security" feature.

Casting nature's fury like this is clearly an exploit and anyone who picks on him for going AFK in his own house (where youd think youre safe) is just missing the point entirely. If it was trammel and somebody lured a creature to your house, where it then cast a revenant on you, for example, you'd be just as annoyed. If not moreso, because its Trammel!

Felucca by its very nature is a land for PvPers and I am sure, more than anyone, those living there know that. But this is why youd set your house to private. Anyone who hasn't gone afk whilst in-game - even for a pee or a drink - is lying! Imagine coming back to find yourself dead, no matter where you are, but especially in your own house. Doesnt really matter the reason - the house was supposed to be safe and due to an exploit, someone killed the owner.

[/ QUOTE ]

Agree. Problems need to be fixed, not sidetracked.

 

[RaDian FlGith]

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Actually if you care to get technical it is against the ROC to go afk and be logged into the game. I personally have been put in jail for going afk and not being able to respond to a gm.. as stated in the ROC which the email was sure to mention you must be at keys at all times or log out!

[/ QUOTE ]Actually, if you want to get technical, it's against the ROC to macro or otherwise play the game while AFK. There are no rules about leaving your character sitting somewhere, doing nothing, while you get up and do something else. There is a time-out timer that you have to be back at your keyboard by, and that's it.

Don't be so quick to jump.

 

[themaster879]

ok for the record i live in a tower because i do not like the custom houses. how am i supposed to make a safe room in there? and don't tell me to move out of fel because i have a few red characters that cant go to tram. i do not pvp anymore but i am not going to delete my chars. and casting something inside a private house is an exploit :/

 

[Kith Kanan]

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wow i go afk in my house and i die because some newb decides he wants to cast some natures fury INTO my house. this has got to change, i dont want to have to worry about dieing going afk at my house. i mean come on...... oh and if i see the guy who killed me he better watch out.....

[/ QUOTE ]

hehe we used to do that with meteor swarm , target wall and SWOOSHH
Back in the day you could also kill mobs trugh the walls in dungeons that way , never forget the time we got 10+ deamons and a couple of blarons dumped on us by a GM for doing this hehehe ohh my god we got whooped

 

[imported_Electrolyte]

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question? why is casting natures fury in a house an exploit?

what about the red archer that sits in his house at yew gate and takes shots at people? isn't natures fury a counter against this?

[/ QUOTE ]

I don't really think someone should be able to be sniping from inside their house either...

...now, i'm also not scholar in all the rules of UO, so it's entirely possible both of these things are legal... I doubt they are... but in my own opinion attacking into or out of a private house is something we shouldn't be able to do... and even if it is, it's still a very cheap tactic... tho easily not the cheapest or dirtiest thing that's been going on in the game for years

 

[Guest]

Might I suggest you just log off, before walking afk? This eliminates any chance of this happening again...la

 

[stevensnr6]

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Actually if you care to get technical it is against the ROC to go afk and be logged into the game.

[/ QUOTE ]

Jayden - Re-read 'em silly. It says....

"6. You may not leave an active character or pet in game while unattended. If your character is performing a skill, text or action, you must be able to respond to a Game Master when one attempts to speak to you."

The key phrases there are "active" and "performing a skill, text or action" therefore you can just stand there all day with no worries.

http://support.ea.com/cgi-bin/ea.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=347&amp;p_created=977158515&amp;p_sid=fmVuvW1j&amp;p_accessibility=0&amp;p_redirect=&amp;p_lva=&amp;p_sp=cF9zcmNoPTEmcF9zb3J0X2J5PSZwX2dyaWRzb3J0PSZwX3Jvd19jbnQ9MzM0LDMzNCZwX3Byb2RzPTAmcF9jYXRzPTAmcF9wdj0mcF9jdj0mcF9wYWdlPTEmcF9zZWFyY2hfdGV4dD1ydWxlcyBvZiBjb25kdWN0&amp;p_li=&amp;p_topview=1