Would you still play UO without UOA?

[G.v.P]

There have been several UOA threads lately but I didn't quite notice them until my own UOA became disabled. I'll be the first to admit that my ~$12 investment has become a serious crutch for me, especially when it comes to crafting. Not even the Enhanced Client can replicate some of the UOA abilities, such as being able to craft specific items in groups.

Without UOA, programs that rely on UOA may cease to function (I really don't know). That's good if you're anti-cheat, and bad if you use UO Cartography. I think map will continue to work even if you don't have an active UOA account, so maybe just having the UOA run at all will continue all those programs but I'm not entirely sure.

The Enhanced Client has its own mapping system, and it tracks party members on the map. In other words, if you can stomach change, the EC gives you some of the functions of UOA plus a mapper program all within the game client. However, the majority still plays 2D, as evident by its existence.

The odds of EA developing an integrated map and/or tracking system for 2D are slim, and it's unlikely that EA will give us true record function, through 2D or EC. Would a permanent loss of UOA be the final straw, or would you still play UO?

 

[Picus of Napa]

With out 2D hot keys like the drink's, dress or weapon and all the options from recording I would be at a loss. It is very annoying that EA has left these functions to a third party app and for well over a decade did nothing about it. It would be close to the last straw if not the one.

 

[Mervyn]

It's a little silly that you've included the things about the E.C in this poll when E.C does not accommodate mages so the results would only apply to those who play as a dexxer.

If anyone who doesn't know why you can't play a mage in E.C:

Slower casting (see more detailed posts)
No range check last target
No ability to change the opponents spell colour to your own so you can't mage duel without getting confused.
No ability to disarm shield with a spell pre casted. (effectively disabling a mages ability to pot or use heal stone)

 

[Taylor]

Would I be disappointed? Very. Would I quit UO? Please...no chance.

 

[Mervyn]

Would I be disappointed? Very. Would I quit UO? Please...no chance.

That sounds like something that someone who doesn't pvp would say

 

[Babble]

Yes, but why not use tools if they make things easier

 

[Taylor]

Would I be disappointed? Very. Would I quit UO? Please...no chance.

That sounds like something that someone who doesn't pvp would say

That sounds like something that someone who knows little about the majority of UO's content would say.

 

[Petra Fyde]

I made sure, when KR came along, that I could do the things I normally do using the client macros. They're much better now than when we first started using uoa, so probably I'd adapt.

On the other hand it might be the push I needed to try to adapt to the enhanced client. If only it wasn't so hard to see what's going on when I'm out hunting in it!

 

[Black Sun]

That question actually made me think for a bit. Considering the amount of interest I've shown for playing UO lately I'd say I would probably pack up my accounts and save myself 42 bucks a month if UOA stopped working permanently.

I doubt it would get me to use the enhanced client. I have never really had much complaint with the way the EC functions, if forced to use it, I'm sure I could adapt to the way it works. My problem is the way it looks. I just can't deal with the graphics, they're horrible. In my opinion the EC graphics are a step down from the CC.

 

[Taylor]

On the other hand it might be the push I needed to try to adapt to the enhanced client. If only it wasn't so hard to see what's going on when I'm out hunting in it!

My problem is the way it looks. I just can't deal with the graphics, they're horrible. In my opinion the EC graphics are a step down from the CC.

I hear you both. Art is also my number 1 beef with the EC.

I suppose, when push comes to shove, I'd choose a functional UO over no UO.

Right now, I just found the Lucis Interface, which has greatly enhanced my taste for the EC. Art is still an issue...but I've been surprised at how much I like the new features.

 

[Dermott of LS]

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Never used UOA in the first place, and to be honest, I ALWAYS get a nice smile and chuckle out of the "UOA isn't working" threads.

 

[MalagAste]

Haven't worried about UOA since I switched to the EC.

 

[G.v.P]

It's a little silly that you've included the things about the E.C in this poll when E.C does not accommodate mages so the results would only apply to those who play as a dexxer.

As far as PvP goes, possibly. However, a mage doesn't have to use a shield to PvP ... can max DCI without one and don't really need HCI for a mage wep. Also, before UOA "revealed hidden spell words," mages survived through the confusion of spell names fairly well. As for slower cast and check range, I'd have to, as you say, check out the thread you're talking about. I've never PvPed in EC, only in 2D, so I have no clue how PvP works in EC, I'll be honest. I have PvMed and crafted with EC though and haven't noticed any slowdown ... just too weird to PvP in EC for me, people don't look distinct enough.

Anyway, those poll options are included to get a sense of how much people like the EC macros vs 2D UOA function, in a very broad scale (PvEverything).

 

[Tazar]

Hmmm... I'm not sure which to check...

I've never used UOA.
I use the Enhanced Client and it does pretty much everything I need
I also use a Logitech G-15 and G-13 which seems to cover anything the EC missed.

 

[Tazar]

It's a little silly that you've included the things about the E.C in this poll when E.C does not accommodate mages so the results would only apply to those who play as a dexxer.

If anyone who doesn't know why you can't play a mage in E.C:

Slower casting (see more detailed posts)
No range check last target
No ability to change the opponents spell colour to your own so you can't mage duel without getting confused.
No ability to disarm shield with a spell pre casted. (effectively disabling a mages ability to pot or use heal stone)

I play a mage in EC and do not have any problems. EC seems to work great with a mage so long as you take the time to learn the client and set it up properly.

 

[Merion]

I play a mage in EC and do not have any problems. EC seems to work great with a mage so long as you take the time to learn the client and set it up properly.

Same here, playing mages, pwning people without problems with the EC.

I think most of the people complaining about the EC never tried the incredible skins and mods gildar, dermott, lucitus and all the others made.

But back to topic and to answer the OP:

I wouldn't care as I play EC

 

[Gem]

I've used UOA for years (fish-stacking alone made it worth the price for fishers back in the day). Can't imagine playing without it.

 

[Tanivar]

With UOA not working, I do no more than tend locked down plants at the house and then log off.

I don't find playing the game using the EC as playing UO. The look & feel are not there.

I'd fold my tent and move back to Gemstone IV.

 

[Demonous]

i paid gold to get UOA back in the day, id be pissed if they just disabled it on my accounts, id still play 2d even if they did though and adjust as best i can, nothing could ever make me switch to whatever client they make, now if they got rid of 2d then id probably quit the game, as far as im concerned im staying with uo till the servers shut down permanently hence why i pay 6 months at a time, much cheaper you might as well if you know you aren't quitting any time soon, i wish they'd offer a yearly subscription...

 

[Lady Storm]

Hate EC and cant use it sooooo HELL YES id hate if we lost UOA!! not so far as quit the game over it but id miss the usefullness of it. 13 years inthis game and you figure I have paid for every account i got to have it 53 x 15$ is alot of $$$$ to loose use of.

 

[ChReuter]

In the very beginning we didn't have such programs but we also didn't mind as much. When the original programs were released they were illegal but still widely used even by some players who were vocally anti-cheating. I believe that if uoa were to be removed as an option, it would open the floodgates to even more rampant use of illegal programs, even by players who have never even thought of using anything deemed illegal. Cheat detection or not, I just don't see players accepting the loss of such functions after having them for so many years.

(A bit of history. there were three separate programs created initially that were popular . One fell off not very long after, one had a reputation for facilitating exploiting, and the third became uo-pro after a campaign for the creation of such status and following the dev teams guidelines for what could be added and what could not)

 

[Lord Frodo]

Used UOA for crafting and now with the new crafting menus it is not needed. Would miss dress/undress and arm/disarm/arm alt with my tamer for her luck suit swap out. Most times I don't even load UOA any more as I don't require a lot of macros to play UO.

For all those people that will quit. You have used UOA for what 10 years and you don't think you got your moneys worth. Give me a break, you will quit because of UOA but not because of all the cheating. PvPers if UOA stops then no PvPer will have it and you will all do just fine.

 

[Pfloyd]

I made sure, when KR came along, that I could do the things I normally do using the client macros. They're much better now than when we first started using uoa, so probably I'd adapt.

On the other hand it might be the push I needed to try to adapt to the enhanced client. If only it wasn't so hard to see what's going on when I'm out hunting in it!

For UO this is exactly my feeling.

 

[cdavbar]

In my opinion the EC graphics are a step down from the CC.

Ive played UO for forever. As much as i loved the CC, I cant not use the EC. I think the graphics are a lot improved from CC and on the newer screens and bigger screens it is impossible to play CC anyways, try playing CC on a 42in screen IMPOSSIBLE!!!!


lol but i hear ya though it did take me a while to switch but its like a can of pringles once you pop you just cant stop!

 

[Evlar]

Incredible how people would consider quitting over a 3rd party app not being available.

Have never used UOA or any 3rd party apps. I've always felt that if the UI is that unplayable with any game, the game's hardly worth playing in the first place. I've always been happy that I can do what I want to with any of the UO client UI's.

Although I'm not currently playing for other reasons, lack of UOA or any 3rd party apps wouldn't influence my decision to play the game, or not, whatsoever.

Now if only they could sort out the EC to encourage more of you to pack in the millstone that is the CC. I'm not criticising the CC or those that play it. I preferred "classic" gameplay, but was always happy to move on to the newer clients as the UI's improved. Graphically, I wasn't particularly concerned, as the game's never been about the graphics to me, so long as I enjoyed the gameplay.

I just feel that the classic client has held this game back. Unfortunately though, the developers are in a "Catch 22" situation. They alter the graphics, people either love it or hate it. Most people seem to like the UI improvements, but little else. With the EC, they've tried to maintain the "classic" graphics that people seem to prefer, but people still aren't happy.

Frankly, I think they should just emulate CC graphics in the EC and have done with it. No zoom, but able to function with different resolution monitors. It's not as if the game is going to attract many new players from more graphically advanced games anyway. Might as well just try to keep those left happy.

 

[Old Man of UO]

With out 2D hot keys like the drink's, dress or weapon and all the options from recording I would be at a loss. It is very annoying that EA has left these functions to a third party app and for well over a decade did nothing about it. It would be close to the last straw if not the one.

I'm not sure what you are talking about.

The Dress and weapons macros are instantaneous in the EC, and you can just drag the potions to a hot bar slot and assign a hotkey. There is no record macro function, but it's much easier to copy/paste a long repeating function in the EC client macro file to make the macro as long as you want it to be.

 

[Picus at the office]

I'm not sure what you are talking about.

The Dress and weapons macros are instantaneous in the EC, and you can just drag the potions to a hot bar slot and assign a hotkey. There is no record macro function, but it's much easier to copy/paste a long repeating function in the EC client macro file to make the macro as long as you want it to be.

You are running with the thought that I play or wish to play on the EC, which I do not. I was talking about what others have posted here about how EA/origin/mythic ditched adding the functions of UOA for a very long time simply because it was covered by the program.

EC is not a option for me for a number of reasons but the highest one is because I just plain do not wish to use it. I like the old UO which I started playing in 98. I like the old look, the old feel and the old way. I like how everyone looks the same yet different. I like the horses and the grass, I do not need sparkles and glitter. I did not ask for a new client though I have asked for years that simple bugs get fixed.

I shall get off my soap box now.

 

[Old Man of UO]

You are running with the thought that I play or wish to play on the EC, which I do not. I was talking about what others have posted here about how EA/origin/mythic ditched adding the functions of UOA for a very long time simply because it was covered by the program. ....

Then you really shouldn't post 3rd-hand information as if it is your own experience. Don't complain about something you don't have experience with. As I see it, you are trying to purposefully give the EC a bad reputation with false information. You weren't complaining about the graphics in your original post, but the macro system, and this thread is about UOA, which in my opinion there really is no need for if you play in the EC client.

I'm just saying, give the EC a fair shot and report on your personal experiences fairly. If you don't like the graphics, we can agree to disagree on that, but the macro system certainly is in most, not all cases, better than UOA.

 

[Picus at the office]

I was part of the beta team, I did my part. I provided both positve and negative comments.

This thread was only about the EC due to the options on the voting, but the original posting was about Would you still play UO without UOA?. I mentioned that UO was left without similar options that are in UOA for over a decade which would indicate that I am aware of the options in the EC(uo is nearly 13 years old and the EC is not older than 3 hence the decade difference).

Sigh, back off the soap box.

 

[Norrar]

Ive never used, nor would I consider using it. So I guess my answer is "No I wouldn't leave"

I would however, enjoy the game a bit more. Less people means less lag at events.

Also, yes I do PvP (Or did a few months ago) without it. Seeing as how I manually click my targets, and don't chug pots, don't need it. And when I happen to have a pot on me, I still click it.

I see no reason in using such a program to play a game. Adapt, thats my motto.

 

[Siteswap]

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I ALWAYS get a nice smile and chuckle out of the "UOA isn't working" threads.

Much the same as I do at what a piece of ***t the Enhanced Client is...

With UOA CC is greater than EC for the majority of players. Without UOA its still greater than the EC for a lot of players. I dont know why this sticks in your craw so much...

 

[UOKaiser]

I still dont see how anybody could of used 2d without uoa. Its torture without it. Would probably account for so many false script and hacking accusations
between those who don't use it and those who do. Same with EC.

 

[Dermott of LS]

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Nah, I think it's funny that people use an external hack program as a crutch (legal or no), and I always got the same chuckle LOOOONG before KR or EC were even on the radar (as I never used and have always been against some of the things it allowed/allows you to do).

The fact that UOA is deemed so necessary says volumes about the inadequacies of the older client (this is true REGARDLESS of the existence of any later client BTW).

And if you think that your not liking the EC bothers me, then you missed a very detailed post in regards to the issues with the EC.

 

[G.v.P]

The fact that UOA is deemed so necessary says volumes about the inadequacies of the older client

I'm actually surprised so far on how many people have polled "Never owned UOA," nearly 20%. Some UO macros are clearly better than what UOA has, for example, equiplastweapon blows UOA out of the water. But it took a long time for UO to add that one, I wonder how long ago that was now. But for any crafter, whether it's grinding skills or otherwise, UOA remains faster than UO's in game system of "make max." At least we have a "make max" option now, though, as well as a quest mark system, something that was tricky in UOA. Now if only you could mark quest in sub-packs.

As soon as I got UOA, I encouraged everyone I knew to get it. At the time, the PvP advantages were far too great. However, as cool as UOA is, the EC also provides so many shortcuts the 2D client can't provide, such as grid layout backpacks. So I guess the main problem I have right now is I usually use the EC as a glorified version of UOA, just a tool to supplement my 2D play, if that makes sense. Sometimes I'll use it to PvM, but only if I am soloing Lady M w/ 2 of my chars or something of the like (much more efficient to use a UOA 2D with an EC than with another 2D w/o UOA).

 

[Sevin0oo0]

After playing my first 6mths, i was really sick and tired of counting regs & such, I was ready to quit Then, but got UOA and have been happily playing ever since

 

[Cryltaur]

I still dont see how anybody could of used 2d without uoa. Its torture without it.

Ignorance is bliss. Never had UOA, never felt I needed it, and I've been playing for over 7 years now.

 

[Victoria Navarre]

[X] Thinks 28 people are too lazy to play the game themselves,and wants a program to play for them.

 

[Gilmour]

Deleted,

apparently ppl are more worried about proper eticet than resolving thier issues.


as for what im told i should talk about is what i would do if assist close, well so far assist been running for 13 years, i see no reason why they would close, its not like there is heavy development needed on assist, just need to fix a few variables whenever ea find it funny to change them.

 

[Old Man of UO]

did you guys try the DNS fix as explained here...
Gilmour

Promoting your own website, in a thread that has nothing to do with what you posted? I think that is a no-no.

 

[Gilmour]

it has everything to do with it

edit: happy now?

 

[G.v.P]

[X] Thinks 28 people are too lazy to play the game themselves,and wants a program to play for them.

UOA was approved by EA, ergo, it's an optional extension of the UO program. Someone who uses UOA is no more lazy than someone who runs a macro in UO, as any macro can be defined as letting the program play for you.

 

[G.v.P]

did you guys try the DNS fix as explained here...
Gilmour

Promoting your own website, in a thread that has nothing to do with what you posted? I think that is a no-no.

Not sure if I would look at it as promoting his own site, haha ... but it is off-topic. This thread isn't about how to resolve UOA issues, it's about what people would do if UOA ceased to function.

I don't mind either way.

 

[Leeda]

I love UOA. I would be disappointed if i could not use it.

 

[unified]

I used to use UOA up to a few years ago for only two macros that could not be duplicated in the existing 3d client. On returning to UO last month, and finding that I could not even get UOA to work, I am extremely happy with the EC. I personally found EC extremely useful for what i need to do.

I have always felt that it was poor business practice that EA/Origin allowed UOA and no other to be used to begin with, thus creating a monopoly and literally giving automatic income to someone just because it became a necessary tool for some players to even play the game.

I had a smaller monitor then, and it was impossible to do some things with the limited screen real estate with gumps and icons all over the place without a macro. Let's see, character near death with all of four regs ... open backpack ... double-click Recall icon ... target Runebook ... OOoooo

 

[soco]

I definately would. The enhanced client is the first client of the many that were introduced after the "classic" one I actually switched to. And I enjoy it.

 

[Silverbird]

Strange ... there was actually nothing to vote for me. *g* But i took the question maybe wrong:
I ve read it as 'Would you still play UO, if UOA would have never existed?' Most posters in this thread should maybe ask themselfs this question.

 

[Mervyn]

It's a little silly that you've included the things about the E.C in this poll when E.C does not accommodate mages so the results would only apply to those who play as a dexxer.

If anyone who doesn't know why you can't play a mage in E.C:

Slower casting (see more detailed posts)
No range check last target
No ability to change the opponents spell colour to your own so you can't mage duel without getting confused.
No ability to disarm shield with a spell pre casted. (effectively disabling a mages ability to pot or use heal stone)

I play a mage in EC and do not have any problems. EC seems to work great with a mage so long as you take the time to learn the client and set it up properly.

Ok.. so what are your solutions to any of the above?

 

[Aran]

I would not play UO without 2D and UOA.