After 12 years, still waiting for that to be true, at least for me. Even on a small-population shard, when locations were fixed, half the time I recalled to an agapite, verite or valorite spot, it was already mined out.That sadly hurt the honest player way more than it hurt the scripter.
I certainly don't think someone will straight up beat ingot production of mining (especially in Fel) but that requires a focused effort on JUST mining whereas doing the pirate ships kind of allow you to multitask; you get all types of resources (val/verite ingot / frostwood / barbed leather). Remember that if you find a val ore spot these days and mine it dry then there is a chance it won't spawn val again (same with frostwood). On top of that lets just say you mine 200 val ore in an hour; IF you successfully smelt it the first try you get 400 ingots but if you fail it's now 200 ingots for that hour*. My experience with trade ships is that I have gotten up to 500 val ingots from one boat (lets say I average 250 per ship) along with other resources and on the low side I can find / scuttle at least 2 trade ships an hour (that's almost guaranteed 500 val ingots).Sorry OP haven't got on since reply. I always go with fire beetle and pack horse. On top of that I carry a bag of sending to send back piles of verite/val ores to smelt later with talismans. And as others do I always use garg pick and prospectors tool. Val ele's are fun and challenging depending on the gear I have on atm. Generally just strip mine every ore for BODs, but lately I've been just going along to different areas with shovel and prospector tool and selectively mine for agapite and up. Again, I like to mix things up every so often.
I mine agapite and up for BODs for copper/bronze runics. I don't have High Seas, yet, but I'm interested in seeing how they compare. Is mining in Fel with good knowledge of ore spots comparable in return to those High Seas trade ships? Idk.
Which, on my shard at least, were.... THE SCRIPTERS. I had 20 different books of marked runes. They were worthless when scripters were active.I always mine in fel and in random caves because the ore is random to punish scripters. Although in true UO fashion that also punishes those who actually marked the spots and recalled in
Understood but I was trying to keep all variables the same when comparing resource production of mining vs high seas. You wouldn't fill any BODs when doing high seas for resources so I kept it consistent when comparing mining. I understand your point but I could also counter with saying it takes X time to get those bods in the first place and X time to fill them and resources etc etc etc and there is none of that when hitting the high seas so that could mean double the amount of ships and double the resources. I don't think there is a right or wrong answer here; I think it is very close and based on RNG could go one way or the other. It's all about your play style in which option is right for you. *shrug*The talismans can be gotten easily enough by filling some LBODs of low-end color ore.
Even the Valorite smelting talisman only requires filling an Iron Plate LBOD, any DC armor LBOD, or anything from Shadow Chain Ex 15-count LBOD. The gold talisman can be done with any Iron Ex LBOD, or Chain 20 or plate normal LBOD (and the normals you can fill buying off an NPC).
The talismans are only cost-intensive if you get it into your head you have to fill a SINGLE SMALL BOD to get the points.
Considering that a valorite talisman costs 575 points, you can get it with a single 15 ex bronze small bod.The talismans are only cost-intensive if you get it into your head you have to fill a SINGLE SMALL BOD to get the points.
Yeah, but I've ran into some types that think that you need to fill BODs from similar metal - it's hard for them to equate in their head that a 15 EX Bronze small = 15 Normal Valorite small, and they insist on filling the latter.Considering that a valorite talisman costs 575 points, you can get it with a single 15 ex bronze small bod.
They are quite viable to get with small bods even without using high end ore. Specially since golden ore is so easy to get these days.
Yeah, bronze isn't as easy to come by as iron, but golden is plentiful now, so when I need a talisman, I just burn an small ex golden BOD to get it.Yeah, but I've ran into some types that think that you need to fill BODs from similar metal - it's hard for them to equate in their head that a 15 EX Bronze small = 15 Normal Valorite small, and they insist on filling the latter.
Whereas you can also get the same points from a Ex Plate Large (any count) or Ex 5-part Weapon large (15 or 20 count) - and iron is far more common than even bronze. I might have 10k bronze, but that's because I bought a 60k deed on Atlantic while cross-shard shopping (and the pile of bronze got slaughtered by 3 years of christmas trees). But, from my own mining plus other finds (including a friend giving me all their crafting supplies when they left UO), I've had close to a half-million iron ingots at one point (but gave away about half of it, including helping two friends become a governor candidate by giving them regular ingots and wood to donate to their city to raise loyalty). But, even with that, the iron to me is the better deal even if its ingots I mined.