UO Terms & Conditions vs Fun

[Guest]

Hello everybody,

I don't know where should I post this post on the forum, so I'm posting it here.

According UO Terms and Conditions I cannot use repeating unattended macroses.
But sometimes they're needed, becourse game becomes boring and players may leave game for a while (or even almost, like my friend did - I'm realy sorry for him ).
For example simpe actions like resourse gathering (Mining, Lumberjacking, etc) and crafting some items to gain more skill points requires same actions, which MUST be made for a long period of time, which could be spent on the UO world discovering, fighting with monsters, comunicating with other UO players, making "UO business" by creating shops and selling fine goods there and lots and lots of other actions which COULD be made in UO World (and I love this game for this abilities!). But I forced to stay at my PC and click one-two buttons each second (for example) - train. Yah! I think people pay money for an ability to have a fun in the game, not for hurting their fingers! =)

Now UO Terms about repeating unattended macroing. Why does UO stuff think that it is bad, even if that macroses are used only for the same Mining, Lumberjacking, items crafting to gain more skill points and they doesn't harm anybody, doesn't exploit UO by itself, such actions even hard to recognise and see in the public places? Players, which are using such macroses loves this game I think even better then players, which aren't use them! -) Becourse they want always have fun, always play this game, always kill monsters, discover huge UO world, gain fame, etc! I belongs to such player category too, like, I think, most of UO players and I know about what I'm talking about here.

So, please, I just wish to have a good answer from UO stuff, which would change my vision of this problem or even make it stronger, about why repeating macroing (specially - unattended) is bad and I could be blocked (or even banned!lol! - that is really making mad) for using them.
If GameMaster asks me something and I'm not responding, please, just disconnect me and append some message, which will be displayed, after my next Login, not block me! -(

PS: I'm writing this becourse everyone uses macroing and evryone is always afraid to be blocked or banned for this, and I often here it from my friends and that feeling don't left me too. And this things made me borred, so few days ago I found a program, In which I used a script for my Miner character - to get more Ore and train Mining+magery(using recalls to the spots and house). I used it mostly in the evening, when I was back from my work. But yesterday I forgot to turn it off and fell asleep... After waking up I saw myself in someknd of a jail in UO and a Mesage - "Connection lost" + I received an e-mail letter, that my account is blocked for two days. I don't angry, I really realised what I was doing and I accepted that jail as I accepted UO Terms and Conditions =) I just wish "good" unattended repeating macroing don't make my and other players accounts blocked.

PS2: Sorry for my bad English -)

 

[Guest]

The solution if you find resource gathering and crafting boring, is to buy the items instead. Not macro unattended. There are players who take this to extremes and use it to make RL $$ from UO. They have a huge effect on the economy and have put a lot of honest players off the merchanting profession. Cheats hurt UO.

Cheating is not the answer to boredom. Find something you enjoy and use it to make the gold to pay for items you want. Once you get some trades done you can buy and sell to pay for resources etc. Don't get yourself banned because of some stupid script.

Wenchy

 

[Cogniac]

In Before The Ensuing Flame War

 

[Guest]

I bought resources like you say - it is cool! But about training. Cuz I went to the road of cheating becourse I wanted to train my char. And few words about cheating. Cheating I used is not bad, it doesn't harm UO or other players. I call it cheating becourse it is a trick (software, I used, just sends windows API commands to the UO client - like I do those actions manually). And in our life we're always using tricks-)
So, If I answered GM I wouldn't be blocked. That is the point.

 

[Guest]

Unattended macroing is unattended macroing...there is no good or bad, it just is against the rules.

And it is against the rules because you are doing it unattended. Attended macroing is completely legal and aloud the ingame mechanics allow you to set macro's that you can use while attended.

You say why should "good" unattended macroers get banned - why should people who are basically playing game by illegal means but not even really playing get resources that other people who spend the time playing can not get because they do things the legal way.

If you get bored "training" move onto a different character and do it when you have time or need a break from something more exciting.

Bottom line is when yo payed your subscriptions and agreed to play on a EA server you agreed to abide by there terms and conditions.

 

[Guest]

On the other side of the argument though, if nobody cheated, EA wouldn't have to make game play awkward for the rest of us. I realise you don't think you're hurting anyone, but you are gaining an unfair advantage over someone who trains legally.

Example: if we were both training side by side, I'd be doing things more manually, while you could watch TV and keep an eye on the screen. I'd likely need to take a break from mashing keys, while you could just keep on going. So even attended as you'd be doing it, you're still gaining an advantage over players who don't cheat. Which is why it's illegal. I know in the past if a cheat has answered the GM they've maybe not been banned, but with the current dev team, who is to say they won't ban for attended scripting too? In other words be careful

Wenchy

 

[Guest]

Yes, both of you are right - cheating harms Terms&Conditions (which we won't change=)) and cheating makes other players, who plays game without them, some kind of jeleos that other people got skills faster =) And I realise this very well too =)
About new UO team, etc. I'm a software developer too and I could write script in the manner, when there will be some random actions too, so - no repeating. In that case, I won't be highlighted in the GameMasters screens which seeks for repeated actions and then they're asking catched player about something and after this they will make decision, what should they do with that looser (like me!=)))). So it all depends =)

 

[Connor_Graham]

"Now UO Terms about repeating unattended macroing. Why does UO stuff think that it is bad"

I'll answer your question with a question...

If a bear sh!ts in the woods does it still stink?

Cheating is cheating is cheating, whether anyone sees you do it or not, the end result is you cheated. Why do you feel it's right to play the game, when you're not even there to play it? You're having your "fun" playing UO while you're out washing your car, or even asleep?

*Passes soapbox on to the next person in line*

 

[Guest]

What can I say about your question? I will not dispute with you, cuz every human has it's opinion and I value it. And when I was younger I thought like you now. But when you used to work almost whole day and sometimes you want to play some online games things like training became uncomfortable and unfun ;(

I wil use scripts in the future to make some resources and train. But I will be always near my PC and doyng some things, so attented macroing is legal and I will use it legally. Then I will stop and will enjoy the rest of the playing process. Sorry, if it sounds bad but... see my words above -)

 

[Guest]

UO has never been an instant gratification game thank goodness. some of us have never cheated and are proud of what we have and the chars we have.
maybe try a playstation game with a code for have all items etc.

 

[Guest]

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sometimes you want to play some online games things like training became uncomfortable and unfun ;(

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This is why there is a test center server where you get all the items you will ever need (well... not ALL... but most) and can play on a fully trained/developed character in a matter of minutes.

 

[Guest]

Aye! Like I though when was creating this thread -)))))
So many users, which are writing - damn cheatre, etc =))) hehe -)
I will leave it asap -) I promise -))) hehe

 

[Guest]

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What can I say about your question? I will not dispute with you, cuz every human has it's opinion and I value it. And when I was younger I thought like you now. But when you used to work almost whole day and sometimes you want to play some online games things like training became uncomfortable and unfun ;(

I wil use scripts in the future to make some resources and train. But I will be always near my PC and doyng some things, so attented macroing is legal and I will use it legally. Then I will stop and will enjoy the rest of the playing process. Sorry, if it sounds bad but... see my words above -)

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It doesn't matter if you are near your computer while you are running third party scripts or not, it's still a violation of the ToS.

And to address another comment you made, I have played UO for 7 years and did not cheat to get my characters any of the skills they have.

 

[Guest]

If it's boring to you, don't do it. Problem solved.

 

[Samaira]

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If it's boring to you, don't do it. Problem solved.

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QFT

You can always buy an account with the characters of your choice fully trained if working skills doesn't float your boat.

 

[LunaMage]

Because of cheaters, I have a hard time keeping up my ingot vendor. It's difficult to compete with chars who have 1000's of valorite ingots on their vendor because they are running scripts and unattended macros. As someone already said, it ruins the economy for the rest of us. KR has an easy target by resource macro that makes mining much easier..you'll just have to do like the rest of us who follow ToS and take breaks.

 

[Guest]

Wow. I didn't realise that. Cuz I planned to make iron cool items and sell them. But as I used scripts I would get more iron, more items, more buyers, so other players will loose their own buyers, etc.

I thought about why I was using scripts. It was like I said work, etc, but it was also lags with my ISP! =)) lol! And this block forced me to remember about lags and ISP, so I changed it (will sign contract tomorrow). And I don't know why but always thinking that this game have its end and I must go to that END asap!lol!-) But this great game doesn't have it! I just realised it - trying to complete game forced me to be hurry up - to use scripts, to complete endles game!lol =)
Thanks guys for scolding me!=) I've just removed that program from my PC

PS: Sorry for my bad English!=)