[UO Herald] Pub 70.0.3

[UO News]

Pub 70.0.3 will go live this evening as part of the routine maintenance. Here is the summary:

• Fixed an issue where players could not get or turn in Fishmonger quests.
• Fixed an issue with commodity deeds not showing the proper name
• Fixed the issue with unused tiles appearing in pets death gump.
• Fixed the issue where hirelings were not following commands

More...

 

[R Traveler]

Where are 70.0.1 and 70.0.2 ?

 

[Storm]

good fixes !

 

[Specialshoes]

Where are 70.0.1 and 70.0.2 ?

Next week

 

[Remo_Williams]

Just in time. I have some prepatch fish quests i was gonna turn in and start working on my scrolls.. Thanks for the update

 

[Storm]

Where are 70.0.1 and 70.0.2 ?

internal?

 

[R Traveler]

Where are 70.0.1 and 70.0.2 ?

Next week

Can't wait

 

[Martyna Zmuir]

What, no fixes for the wearables mess-ups in the EC?

 

[Pinco]

What, no fixes for the wearables mess-ups in the EC?

no patch again... since pub 70 the paperdoll on EC is badly bugged and still we have no fix

 

[GalenKnighthawke]

Thank you for the fixes.

Please fix the new EC bugs so the ECers can stop whining.

Ok, that was a joke, getting serious now....Even though I play the CC, I feel that making the EC more playable should be a high priority, right up there with content.

And in this case, if I understand my EC friends correctly, these bugs were not there, then appeared.

So what people are asking for is for the EC to be restored to an unbroken state.

Please do it.

It is a horrible sign about what kind of priority the EC is when new bugs are created.

-Galen's player

 

[Parnoc]

So what happens to those of us who lost our complete fish monger reputations and are back to receiving one line 10 piece orders because we took someone's advice on Stratics and placed a second ship? We're just screwed, right?

 

[MrNiceMNC]

I also would like to see a fix for the bug where both characters have the same house storage / vendor entitlements but cant transfer.

 

[popps]

So what happens to those of us who lost our complete fish monger reputations and are back to receiving one line 10 piece orders because we took someone's advice on Stratics and placed a second ship? We're just screwed, right?

I thought players were allowed to dry dock ships and replace them without losing reputation.

That's at least what most players who play Felucca or Siege Perilous do.

Who said that dry docking a ship and replacing it loses all of one's own reputation with the Fishmongers ? Has this been confirmed ?

 

[Nimuaq]

• Fixed an issue where players could not get or turn in Fishmonger quests.

Still cant turn in Fishmonger quests.

 

[Symma]

I thought players were allowed to dry dock ships and replace them without losing reputation.

That's at least what most players who play Felucca or Siege Perilous do.

Who said that dry docking a ship and replacing it loses all of one's own reputation with the Fishmongers ? Has this been confirmed ?

I've not had this Fishmonger problem on Siege so I couldn't say if that would work. I'm glad I've not been affected by this bug and been faced with the possibility of losing all my reputation.

 

[Basara]

popps: the person claiming so is probably mistaken. It's much more likely they've hit the area in skill between 100 and 105, where the dungeon fish get added into the quest line value formula, but before they actually start getting the quests with dungeon fish. I experienced this myself, and have just now started getting 5 and 6 line quests again, about 60-80 quests later (and getting over 110 skill).

Nimuaq: you'll probably have to use the two-boat method to deliver existing quests, not get replacements, dry-dock and relaunch to get back to being able to deliver with the original boat. There's been several fixes in the past where you had to "reinitialize" the player-connected item that was malfunctioning. Be glad it wasn't a pet - most times they tell you just release the pet, and tame an unbugged one.

 

[Petra Fyde]

I get one line 10 piece orders frequently, yet I've never cancelled an order. I mostly get them just after I get a power scroll.
I frequently dock my Siege boat - I haven't docked my Europa boat. On Siege I now have 120 skill. Still working towards getting my 120 scroll on Europa.

I wasn't hit by the bug. I don't know what caused it, but if it's any help I never recall on/off a moving boat or one that is within 8 tiles of a server boundary.

I also only do one quest at a time.

 

[Nimuaq]

Nimuaq: you'll probably have to use the two-boat method to deliver existing quests, not get replacements, dry-dock and relaunch to get back to being able to deliver with the original boat. There's been several fixes in the past where you had to "reinitialize" the player-connected item that was malfunctioning. Be glad it wasn't a pet - most times they tell you just release the pet, and tame an unbugged one.

I wasn't hit by the bug. I don't know what caused it, but if it's any help I never recall on/off a moving boat or one that is within 8 tiles of a server boundary.

I also only do one quest at a time.

Thanks for your responds, I really appreciate it. It reminds you that you can always trust the community for answers when you have an issue related to the game.

Petra, no its not any help . It was the devs who stated that we can get more than one quest at a time. I'm not planning on starting to take precautions for the things that might or might not be related to a bug, the list is just too long.

Basara, it is possible to complete the quests with that method but it is not suggested by the devs, they only asked the ones used the method if it solved the problem. I'll use it to solve it anyways now. Thanks.

In an unrelated note, I was expecting a follow up to this publish, pretty much like this:

• Fixed an issue where players could not get or turn in Fishmonger quests.
  • You need to dry dock your boat and re-place it to get the quests again. If you already have orders on your boat, place another ship and complete all the quests before you dry dock your boat. Note that we checked the code and verified that this will not effect your fishmonger reputation or your order size in that manner. This bug is caused by the bug fixes on placing boats implemented in the previous Publish. We hope players dont use this bug to have more than one boat owned by their characters. Thanks for your patience.

I have recently seen that they've fixed a bug reported about three months ago by myself which was related to the carrying capacity of a character. So I know they're constantly fixing the bugs in the game and the ones on the publish notes are only a few that specifically needed to be displayed to the community. I'm not demanding immediate bug fixes, I know it takes time and they're already steadily fixing bugs. I just want detailed publish and patch notes, preferably written by people who are familiar with the game.

I wouldnt wait until server down if they had written that I still need to drydock my boat or use another ship. Publish 70 notes still contain incorrect information about magincia housing lottery, written by the european community manager who havent met with the european community, yet alone any community of uo. Japanese version doesnt have these incorrect and/or missing information, probably someone who plays uo fixed the text for the Japanese players. They also list all of the 24 bug fixes and all client updates.

 

[Parnoc]

Well, Popps, I'm a 120 skill Legendary fisherman, have been since March 2. I CAN CONFIRM that I have lost my complete Fish Monger reputation.

Basara and Petra, so that you understand that I know what I’m talking about, I'm a 120 skill Legendary fisherman, have been since March 2 and I have done over 1100 quests from the same Tokuno ship that has given me the problem.

When I was told by the Fish Monger that he couldn’t find my Tokuno ship, I placed a legacy ship (maybe that was my problem, maybe it should have been another Tokuno ship) and then was able to fill the 3 orders I had in the hold of the Tokuno ship. I then dry docked the Tokuno ship, filled the orders I had in the hold of the legacy ship and refused the replacement orders. I then dry docked the legacy ship and replaced the Tokuno ship and started doing orders again. This is when the loss of reputation was apparent. I did NOT at any time throw a crate overboard.

For verification, here is a list of the last 12 orders before the problem occurred and these are not necessarily in order, because I usually gather 6-7 crates and then turn them in.
To Brit
15 Crusty Lobsters
10 Red Snook
15 Captain Snook
To Jhelom
10 Snow Crab
20 Hummer Lobsters
20 Cape Cod
20 Red Grouper
20 Redbelly Bream
15 Demon Trout
To Papua
15 Cape Cod
10 Pike
15 Brook Trout
15 Walleye
To Skara
15 Red Grouper
20 Blue Grouper
20 Green Catfish
15 Snaggletooth Bass
15 Drakefish
To Papua
15 Rock Crab
10 Apple Crab
15 Shad
15 Snaggletooth Bass
10 Orc Bass
15 Lurker Fish
To Vesper
20 Rock Lobster
20 Fred Lobster
15 Cape Cod
15 Lurker Fish
To Trinsic
15 Cobia
To Vesper
15 Rock Lobster
20 Gray Snapper
10 Captain Snook
15 Yellow Perch
10 Rainbow Trout
20 Smallmouth Bass
To Vesper
10 Black Seabass
To Moonglow
10 Shad
To Papua
15 Blue Grouper
10 Brook Trout
10 Uncommon Shiner
10 Haddock
To Vesper
15 Rock Crab
10 Snow Crab
20 Hummer Lobsters
10 Orc Bass
15 Lurker Fish
Following is the list of orders received AFTER the ship problem:
To Trinsic
10 Apple Crab
To Emporium
10 Crag Snapper
To Moonglow
10 Bluefish
To Papua
10 Shad
To Skara
10 Bonefish
To Trinsic
10 Cutthroat Trout
To Brit
10 Pike
To Trinsic
10 Drakefish
To Brit
10 Lurker Fish
To Vesper
10 Darkfish
To Jhelom
10 Mahi Mahi
To Moonglow
10 Uncommon Shiner
To Papua
10 Yellow Perch
To Emporium
10 Blue Crab
To Trinsic
10 Blue Grouper
To Vesper
10 Infernal Tuna
To Emporium
10 Green Catfish
10 Grim Cisco
To Vesper
15 Apple Crab
To Emporium
20 Apple Crab
10 Tormented Pike
To Papua
10 Walleye
To Emporium
15 Crag Snapper
To Brit
10 Red Grouper
To Vesper
10 Captain Snook
To Moonglow
10 Haddock
10 Black Seabass
To Jhelom
15 Green Catfish
To Brit
10 Bonito
To Vesper
10 Smallmouth Bass
15 Uncommon Shiner
Yes, Petra, I experience the one line orders usually after a larger order turn in, but only a couple and not anywhere near the above documented orders. Even with our uncanny, mischievious, unreliable RNG, I don't believe this could have happened if I haven't lost my reputation.
And I dunno what I'm trying to accomplish by complaining here, except to vent. I'm not gonna stop fishing, I love it, but it's sure a disappointment to have my reputation lost, good orders are SOOOOO hard to get.

 

[Beastmaster]

Well, Popps, I'm a 120 skill Legendary fisherman, have been since March 2. I CAN CONFIRM that I have lost my complete Fish Monger reputation.

Basara and Petra, so that you understand that I know what I’m talking about, I'm a 120 skill Legendary fisherman, have been since March 2 and I have done over 1100 quests from the same Tokuno ship that has given me the problem.

...

Yes, Petra, I experience the one line orders usually after a larger order turn in, but only a couple and not anywhere near the above documented orders. Even with our uncanny, mischievious, unreliable RNG, I don't believe this could have happened if I haven't lost my reputation.
And I dunno what I'm trying to accomplish by complaining here, except to vent. I'm not gonna stop fishing, I love it, but it's sure a disappointment to have my reputation lost, good orders are SOOOOO hard to get.

Parnoc, sorry to hear that. You have indeed lost your reputation. I believed you in your first post. I just wish some people here would stop spouting their opinions as gospel.

 

[Nimuaq]

(..) filled the orders I had in the hold of the legacy ship and refused the replacement orders.

I think taking orders with the legacy ship cleared the reputation. I only turned in the ones I already have and didnt take any further quests. I placed the legacy ship, turned in the quest and dry docked the legacy ship again until I completed all orders without taccepting another quest. Then I dry docked the galleon and re-placed it. After that, I was able to take couple of 4 liners and a 5 liner, some of them having 15 and 20 fish listed.

Your posts were the reason of my hesitation to use the workaround. Also, as I stated on the previous post, the devs only asked the ones used the method if it solved their problem without suggesting the workaround themselves. That was the other reason. I finally risked losing my reputation after I've seen the bug is still not fixed even when its claimed otherwise on the publish notes. I'm really sorry for your reputation from the 1k quests being cleared .

 

[Petra Fyde]

Just to clarify, I only offer my own expererience in hope of adding to the overall pool of information and maybe shedding some light on the problem.

 

[Kojak]

Nimuaq is the only one who used my workaround properly - good to see at least 1 other intelligent person on this planet

you only use the second ship to clear out old quest crates on your main ship so you can dock and re-place it ... you don't make the problem worse at the same time by taking more quests - I didn't bother posting not to take more quests because I didn't think anyone would be stupid enough to make the problem worse while they were trying to make the problem better - once again I underestimated the general IQ level of the population - my mistake

 

[Parnoc]

Thanks Kojak, you're too kind with your opinions. Sorry for misreading your wonderful workaround that only included half the story. I was doubly dumb, I thought these boards were a way to share help, not rip someone for their mistakes. Sorry, I'm sure my IQ is way way below yours, my humble apologies your greatness. Next time I shall don me magnifying spectacles so I can read the fine print between the lines, me old eyes not bein' what they used to be.

 

[Storm]

Thanks Kojak, you're too kind with your opinions. Sorry for misreading your wonderful workaround that only included half the story. I was doubly dumb, I thought these boards were a way to share help, not rip someone for their mistakes. Sorry, I'm sure my IQ is way way below yours, my humble apologies your greatness.

its he who should apologize !

 

[Nimuaq]

I've only took those precautions after reading Parnoc's posts about losing reputation. I could have done the same thing as Parnoc did if I hadnt read his posts that warn others.

 

[Petra Fyde]

*coughs*

A. Show respect at all times.

B. Help build the Community.

Play nice, people, please?

 

[Adol]

When I was told by the Fish Monger that he couldn’t find my Tokuno ship, I placed a legacy ship (maybe that was my problem, maybe it should have been another Tokuno ship) and then was able to fill the 3 orders I had in the hold of the Tokuno ship. I then dry docked the Tokuno ship, filled the orders I had in the hold of the legacy ship and refused the replacement orders. I then dry docked the legacy ship and replaced the Tokuno ship and started doing orders again. This is when the loss of reputation was apparent. I did NOT at any time throw a crate overboard.

The bolded part, assuming you mean being offered a quest and declining it, is where you probably lost the Reputation rather than messing around with boats; The Devs stated that rejecting fisherman quests damages your standing with them. You need to close the gump rather than reject it to avoid taking the hit.

 

[Basara]

Uh, no, Adol - rejecting has absolutely no effect as opposed to closing - either is considered a reject. The devs point blank stated that REJECTING DOES NOT harm reputation - only ABANDONING one already in your hold does. I have no clue what you're using as the basis for your totally erroneous claim.

I saw no ill effects rejecting the new quests, and every quest I accepted after the drydock/relaunch was the same level that was expected prior to it.

Something has bugged his character, which might be accepting quests into the small ship (which can't handle the quest sizes of the larger ship) instead of initially rejecting them.

To be fair to kojak, even my variation of his method on the fishing forum for the first few minutes didn't include the fact you needed to dry-dock the second ship before trying to get a quests again, and dry-dock the primary if you couldn't get new quests once the all the old ones were turned in. But, once I realized (from someone's response) that people were not making the obvious logical steps that the more experienced of us were taking as understood, I added in the intermediate steps in my post.

 

[Adol]

Uh, no, Adol - rejecting has absolutely no effect as opposed to closing - either is considered a reject. The devs point blank stated that REJECTING DOES NOT harm reputation - only ABANDONING one already in your hold does. I have no clue what you're using as the basis for your totally erroneous claim.

I saw no ill effects rejecting the new quests, and every quest I accepted after the drydock/relaunch was the same level that was expected prior to it.

I got it from here: It depends on how you are defining "quitting" a quest. You have a source for your claim too by the way, instead of just getting impolite and angry?

Also you will notice from the same link that you never have been guaranteed a certain order, but just that improved reputation opens up more potential quests and improves the odds of getting a better one; you get a chance to get 6 line orders, but you can still roll a poor 1 line fish quest.

As listed above, the kind of fish are random, the number of fish are random and the prizes are random.

Even the original complainant acknowledges this and that it's possible he's just been extremely unlucky in what he's rolled. Which isn't to discount his anguish at appearing to have also maybe lost reputation; but any fix requires correctly identifying the issue. Highlighting one potential source of that is thus hardly cause for your intemperate response.

 

[Petra Fyde]

I'm sorry, you're misunderstanding.

You lose reputation by abandoning or quitting a quest - once you have taken it.

You do not lose reputation by refusing to take the quest in the first place.
Since I fish on Siege and regularly and frequently dock my boat rather than get it scuttled daily I can say this with a reasonable degree of certainty

 

[Basara]

That's really funny Adol - the post you site IS my source, or at least one of them. One of the other sources is in this thread - perhaps a bias against the OP that MArk was replying to kept you from looking further.

The word is ABANDON.

Since this quest system was implemented in 2006, "Abandon" has ONLY meant "quit a quest you've already accepted".
Not accepting a quest has ALWAYS been defined as "rejecting" a quest, NEVER as "Abandoning".

To quote Mark's post from that thread...

Mark_Mythic

UO Associate Designer

Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Virginia near Washington, DC
Posts: 74
My Mood:

Re: Merely "talking" to Fishmongers drops one's reputation with them ?
Talking with fishmongers does not affect your reputation. Refusing quests from fishmongers does not affect your reputation with them. If it does, it's a bug.

The only thing that hurts your rep is dumping their crates overboard.

Your reputation is shared among all fishmongers. For a small peek at the design, as your character gets orders for fish, there is a record of those fish attached to your character. That list has data attached to it like how many times you have completed orders with that fish. When you talk to another fishmonger, he can check that list. That list is used to calculate your "reputation".

Please keep in mind that reputation is not actually an integer, the design goal was to emulate running a pro fishing business. No matter who you are in the fishing world, sometimes you get small orders. If you turned in every possible fish 6 times each in various orders, your chance to get a 6 line order would be 1/6.

With that in mind, certain rewards are only available to small orders and certain rewards are only available in large orders. An effort was made to make the small order rewards valuable but give incentive to advance. Large orders don't just give you the same stuff in larger quantities.

Each fish increments or decrements in quantities seperately. If you have done a ton of orders but have never rolled a cobia before, then it will be an order for 10 cobia.

The rewards for the fishing quest are designed for people who like to fish. The "real" money in the fishing quest are the baits that make catching enchanted fish a reasonable goal. Once people start figuring out what the new fish pies do and how they stack with other buffs, I expect you will make a lot of coin fishing them up.

 

[Nimuaq]

Basara, you can quote the part he's mentioning the reputation, including the link, like this:

Talking with fishmongers does not affect your reputation. Refusing quests from fishmongers does not affect your reputation with them. If it does, it's a bug.

See, both the link is there and the user who posted it. I think Adol's claim that your post being impolite and angry is verified though, the better respond was Petra's which is just before your latest post, you cant miss it.

Mark also posted this:

Deep sea and lobsters and crabs are counted 2x

ans also this:

There is a bug where if you get an order for a kind of fish that you already have in a different order, the fishmonger places the order at -5 quantity less than he should. This can be compounded by having a bunch of the orders with the same fish in it.

So there was several differences between how he wanted the system to work and how the system works. On the first quote, "If it does, it's a bug." pretty much proves this point. Mark is probably only designing the system, yet he's not coding. While I learn how the quests are meant to work from his post, I have absolutely no confidence on his posts about how these quests actually work.

 

[Basara]

See, both the link is there and the user who posted it. I think Adol's claim that your post being impolite and angry is verified though

It's not only verified, it's JUSTIFIED. I'm getting tired of answering the same questions with true statements and being called a liar - and people like you trying to deny things by presenting straw man arguments like the one you made below.

Mark also posted this:

Deep sea and lobsters and crabs are counted 2x

ans also this:

There is a bug where if you get an order for a kind of fish that you already have in a different order, the fishmonger places the order at -5 quantity less than he should. This can be compounded by having a bunch of the orders with the same fish in it.

Are you deliberately ignoring the context of his post? If you follow the link to the post, it was made November 17, 2010 - DAYS after the HS release.

The first statement IS a statement of what he believed to be true, but apparently someone coded it differently. He acknowledged in PMs later that apparently it was coded wrong, and promised to fix it - and I'm not going to repost that PM again (I quoted it already in one of the MANY threads on the subject, that turned over and over into flamefests against the person most vocal in pointing out the bug).

Apparently the coders STILL don't realize that they coded it wrong, based on the publish 70 notes, since the pub notes writer has the mistaken idea it was player opinion that led to the crustaceans being equal to deep water fish, when it was something that was supposed to be SINCE DAY ONE (or earlier - I could have sworn someone mentioned the fish values off camera at the Fairfax, VA announcement TH, that I was at personally), that someone miscoded down the line somewhere (or changed the design doc behind Mark's back, and never informed him).

The second quote was something that was FIXED (this one REALLY by player demand) in an earlier publish. Perhaps if you'd actually read publish notes as they related to fishing, in the last 6 months, you might have noticed when it was fixed.

 

[Nails]

I abandoned (threw crate overboard message) a quest once and it seemed to be a big set back. I don't even want to imagine abandoning more than one.