[UO Herald] New Faction Equippables on TC1

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Here is the full list of faction gear available for silver on TC1 (note: there will be cliloc errors and other issues until we get the client published!)

Note - the table runs off the edge of the frame. For the moment, highlight it to see the data - I need to move it to a different database where it can live in peace.)

UPDATED 1:20am CDT 10/24: Changed bonus DCI to DI for Glasses and Kaja



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[GalenKnighthawke]

*sighs and drools*

I would have to have been driven out of Factions just before all this came down.

Oh well; I will take comfort in the fact that my inferior equipment won't stop working because my kill points drop, and that it is PoF-able and repairable.

-Galen's player

 

[Jeremy]

FYI, this link is now broken preparatory to putting it in a less-hideous form.

 

[Gwendar-SP]

My question is if Mythic is trying to drive non-faction players from the game.

They put up the retribution shard to "test" pvp balancing and then put out uber items for faction players and those players sure will gladly use the items to better kill non faction players. How can you combine balancing with such imbalance?

 

[D'Amavir]

My question is if Mythic is trying to drive non-faction players from the game.

They put up the retribution shard to "test" pvp balancing and then put out uber items for faction players and those players sure will gladly use the items to better kill non faction players. How can you combine balancing with such imbalance?

Balance isn't really a concern for them. Adding new items to keep people paying every month so that they can acquire these new items is the one and only concern. Bottom line and all. Don't be fooled by any of that 'we are concerned about balancing the game' nonsense you might hear. Actions speak louder than words.

 

[Ender]

Do they still have the 25 DCI folded steel glasses and 3 FCR crystalline ring? ****ing ridiculous. Make -20 mage wep templates even more overpowered, way to go.

 

[Lord Kotan]

Where did the list go? I click the link and it says invalid story selection

 

[Sheridan]

Jeremy said she's working on reformatting the list so the chart would appear properly on the page.

 

[Sir Kenga]

Chances we're gonna see that chart again any soon?

 

[calibek]

My question is if Mythic is trying to drive non-faction players from the game.

They put up the retribution shard to "test" pvp balancing and then put out uber items for faction players and those players sure will gladly use the items to better kill non faction players. How can you combine balancing with such imbalance?

I don't think this is them trying to drive non-faction players away. It's a way for them to make factions fun again. Nothing has been done to factions in about 5 years. What is the point of being in it. This at least gives the people who like to do it a reason to do it.

If anyone can do it I think Mythic can. They have had some bad things in the past but at least they know how to do PvP as evidenced by DAoC and WAR (both of which i have played and enjoy/enjoyed immensly)

 

[D'Amavir]

I don't think this is them trying to drive non-faction players away. It's a way for them to make factions fun again. Nothing has been done to factions in about 5 years. What is the point of being in it. This at least gives the people who like to do it a reason to do it.

If anyone can do it I think Mythic can. They have had some bad things in the past but at least they know how to do PvP as evidenced by DAoC and WAR (both of which i have played and enjoy/enjoyed immensly)

Adding something that makes it fun and worthwhile to be in factions is great. I would back that 100%. Adding something that makes those that play in factions have a major advantage over those that aren't in factions is not the thing to do. Factions should be fun. Factions should be something that more people WANT to take part in. Making it something that people MUST take part in is wrong. Just like making something that FORCES players to play in Fel is wrong. Just like makiing something that FORCES players to play in Trammel is wrong. Games should be about choice. Choosing what playstyle you want to be a part of. Choosing where you want to play. Choosing who you want to play with.

The simple answer would have been to make the new factions items only work in faction battles, be they pvp or pvm. Allowing them to be used against non faction players in Fel AND Trammel is where the problem comes in. If EA really wanted to improve factions AND improve UO, they could have easily done so. But, they don't want to do that. Their goal is to kill pvp altogether so that they can focus on the pvm aspects of UO only. That's pretty clear based on what they are doing these days. Its not smart by any means, but its how things are.

 

[Chaosy]

I don't think this is them trying to drive non-faction players away. It's a way for them to make factions fun again. Nothing has been done to factions in about 5 years. What is the point of being in it. This at least gives the people who like to do it a reason to do it.

If anyone can do it I think Mythic can. They have had some bad things in the past but at least they know how to do PvP as evidenced by DAoC and WAR (both of which i have played and enjoy/enjoyed immensly)

Placing in these items will not make factions fun.

 

[calibek]

Adding something that makes it fun and worthwhile to be in factions is great. I would back that 100%. Adding something that makes those that play in factions have a major advantage over those that aren't in factions is not the thing to do. Factions should be fun. Factions should be something that more people WANT to take part in. Making it something that people MUST take part in is wrong. Just like making something that FORCES players to play in Fel is wrong. Just like makiing something that FORCES players to play in Trammel is wrong. Games should be about choice. Choosing what playstyle you want to be a part of. Choosing where you want to play. Choosing who you want to play with.

The simple answer would have been to make the new factions items only work in faction battles, be they pvp or pvm. Allowing them to be used against non faction players in Fel AND Trammel is where the problem comes in. If EA really wanted to improve factions AND improve UO, they could have easily done so. But, they don't want to do that. Their goal is to kill pvp altogether so that they can focus on the pvm aspects of UO only. That's pretty clear based on what they are doing these days. Its not smart by any means, but its how things are.

Well what about those who PvM, get arties or the best drops, then come in to factions or PvP? Is that fair? This gives people in factions or who are based in Fel, for whatever reason that don't want to go to other places, give them a more level playing field.

Then by the token of those items being used in faction battles then arties should only be used in PvM, never in PvP. That's never going to happen but do you know the amount of people who would complain about this change?

I also do not see how this provides a MAJOR advantage. Minor maybe but major? A skilled player will be able to find a way to take down Factioned item players.

 

[calibek]

Placing in these items will not make factions fun.

That's your opinion, nothing more. Mine is it will allow a more varied degree of what people can do to achieve rewards. Lets face it not many people do things that are fun anymore. Some still do but most do it if it offers some form of reward. A level playing field is almost always a good thing. Factions finally has something to draw people to it.

 

[Chaosy]

That's your opinion, nothing more. Mine is it will allow a more varied degree of what people can do to achieve rewards. Lets face it not many people do things that are fun anymore. Some still do but most do it if it offers some form of reward. A level playing field is almost always a good thing. Factions finally has something to draw people to it.

And I never said you're not entitled to your opinion.

Factions will be boring for me regardless. Good day.

 

[calibek]

And I never said you're not entitled to your opinion.

Factions will be boring for me regardless. Good day.

Really not trying to be rude by asking this but regardless you have no interest in factions? So wether they added something or not you would not do factions either way? Just trying to understand someone else's mindset.

I'm the type of person who feels if you build it they will come. Making factions more attractive will get people interested who may not have been interested in the old system

Just wondering but what would get you interested in factions, or is that a pointless question?

 

[Draxous]

My question is if Mythic is trying to drive non-faction players from the game.

They put up the retribution shard to "test" pvp balancing and then put out uber items for faction players and those players sure will gladly use the items to better kill non faction players. How can you combine balancing with such imbalance?

On Siege... you level the playing field.

You increase the artifact, peerless ingred, ML arties, marty and other stuff drop rates.

Everyone risks death and loss of items on Siege. Factions you get more rewards for added risk of stat-loss.

It never made sense that Siege had the same drop rates of prodoshards but without item insurance.

This would have the added benefit of being lucritive, attractive, and balancing Felucca... without item insurance.

Win Win.

 

[D'Amavir]

Well what about those who PvM, get arties or the best drops, then come in to factions or PvP? Is that fair? This gives people in factions or who are based in Fel, for whatever reason that don't want to go to other places, give them a more level playing field.

Then by the token of those items being used in faction battles then arties should only be used in PvM, never in PvP. That's never going to happen but do you know the amount of people who would complain about this change?

I also do not see how this provides a MAJOR advantage. Minor maybe but major? A skilled player will be able to find a way to take down Factioned item players.

Faction players can buy pvm earned arties and drops and use them. You aren't forced into pvm to get and use these items. You are, however, forced to take part in factions to be able to compete against faction players with these items going forward. That's it the difference, being forced into a playstyle.

All things being equal in regards to skill, you don't think that a faction item geared out character will have an advantage against a non faction item geared out character? Really? If they don't, why add them to begin with? If these factions items don't provide an decent advantage then just don't add them since they clearly aren't going to draw anyone into factions. Works for me. But, we both know thats not the case.

 

[D'Amavir]

Really not trying to be rude by asking this but regardless you have no interest in factions? So wether they added something or not you would not do factions either way? Just trying to understand someone else's mindset.

I'm the type of person who feels if you build it they will come. Making factions more attractive will get people interested who may not have been interested in the old system

Just wondering but what would get you interested in factions, or is that a pointless question?

I can answer that on my end. Again, this is just my opinion. Making faction pvp LESS item based and more skill based would make me consider joining factions. Adding more item based systems to an already too item based pvp system just ensures that I will never join it.

Its pretty clear though, that getting people to play factions isn't really the point of these additions. Don't believe the hype.

 

[eccentricjules]

What ever happened to that link? It still doesn't work.

 

[von Beck]

I would really like to see the list of faction items again. I'm at work and can't log to TC/Origin to check it.

I don't care if its hideously formatted, information is information no matter the presentation. (of course, nice looking is always better, but at least keep the info available!)

Did anyone take a copy of it? Please PM me or post it here if you did!!