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[UO Herald] Is Your House in The Right Spot?

virtualhabitat

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The issue IS the building itself.

Bascially, you placed a house in a spot that obviously is way closer than intended to a structure that is part of the map itself on every shard because you thought it "would be cool" and now come here to pancake and moan when, several months later, the devs decide to fix the problem?

Given, it is short notice, but you definitely should have expected this eventually since its something that always happens in such situations, it just takes a while sometimes, especially when its a feature that isn't active yet.

I have sympathy for anyone that's had a house there for years, or even from just before that arena structure was added to the map. For them, the anger is quite justified.

For you, or others, who built it that close after it was already there likely knowing it damn well wasn't intended? None at all.

By the by, I hope you've gotten your stuff out of it by now. Wouldn't want you to lose anything come Friday.




Bolding added in your style in the hopes that it will help you understand what is being said.
Sorry, I started playing this game on January 24th of this year, I had no idea I was supposed to know that there were housing rules not included in the housing rules.
I am sure that my inexperience is also a deficit in your eyes as well. Lucky for me you aren't in charge of much of anything other than running your mouth.

There was nothing to indicate that this area was going to be off limits for houses.

I realize my plight probably makes you rub your hands together with glee just as much as me complaining about it somehow offends you, but frankly,

you have no idea what you're talking about.

To wit, the issue is the arena stone, not the building itself.

Also, thank you for noticing my efforts to be understood.
 

NBG

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Dev need to offer relocation for old houses (house placed before arena was even announced)

What about people with multi house account? Lose 1 house with no replacement?
 

Petra Fyde

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Playing the blame game is not going to help anyone. How about we do something constructive and help those affected find new spots to their liking and help them move?
 

Shelleybean

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There are only a handful of these houses and the fact that they couldn't just be moved (Mesanna I know for a fact moved Magincia house plots) is embarassing.

P.S. I owned one of these houses and sometime between Monday 4pm and today 3pm it was deleted - everything gone. So much for giving us till Friday? Way to go! :thumbup1:
This is unacceptable. If you play on Legends I can try help you get back on your feet.
 
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Petra is right, the community needs to help those affected with new spots and moving.

However the community shouldn't have had to get involved. The devs screwed up and if the house was there first (or properly placed) then the devs should fix the arena not the player having to move or else.
 

Petra Fyde

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Let's see what this community can do.
First we need:
Name
Shard
What are your criteria for choosing a spot?
 

Petra Fyde

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Possible replacement spot: Europa. The Felucca spot matching the location of this Trammel house is vacant.

 

virtualhabitat

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Playing the blame game is not going to help anyone. How about we do something constructive and help those affected find new spots to their liking and help them move?


It's funny, earlier in the thread someone mentioned a possible reason for having a house there was to grief people.

I have never pvp'd, I also have never been killed by another player. I spend most of my time on ships doing the pirate quest and hunting merchant ships in fel.

Why fel? Because no one bothers you there. No boat parking lots to mess up your tracking (if there are you can scuttle them and they don't park there no more)

I chose Occlo because it was a quiet island to train my characters, good access to the water and a straight shot to the floating dock.
Also very close to serpent pillar for boat mining in T2A. (I spend alot of time there too, mining on a boat.)

this past year I have seen one treasure hunter on the South end of Occlo and one lumberjack about 4 months ago.

Even with the arena going live, there have only been a few duels held at the Occlo arena. Last night there were some reds that came to fight. They left after one got killed by the guards.

As I said earlier, I messaged Mesanna last week because I noticed the changes to the house. I was looking for a backup plan over the weekend.

What irks me most of all is that I know that many houses, over the years, have interfered with changes in the geography of the landscape and they have been accommodated somehow. Grandfathered, whatever.

Houses in the guard zone or adjacent to town buildings or both in Moonglow, Britain, Serpent's Hold, Occlo, Vesper, Minoc, and Jhelom, all have funky placed houses that could not be placed today because of changes made over time.

I see this as no different.

It was the way I was informed, particularly after I tried to initiate a discussion about it with one Dev I knew had handled issues similar to this in the recent past.

My efforts were not only ignored, but the announcement itself was poorly written and came off as a little rude, if not abrupt. Further, this is happening over the holiday. A particularly bad holiday if I felt compelled to phone EA to discuss this with someone.

I followed the rules when I placed the house.

There is ample space around that arena to place the stone a few tiles over from where it currently is.

I even saved a backup house design yesterday making a special hallway in the house to make it easier for folks to get to the stone, making my house public, if I ended up keeping it.

As it is, the arena on Great lakes is working. there were a couple of duels there last night. six or maybe eight people show up on the statistics now.
 

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Okay just paid a visit to your house.

While it is in a nice secluded area, and I will agree a great place for a house, it's not adjacent to the arena, it's right on top of it.

http://i42.***********/28cq4v5.jpg

Here's a pic without CoT:

http://i40.***********/zj9j5c.jpg

now I can see if the house was right next to it, but this is overlapping the entire east wall of the arena, and as far as I can tell no room to move the arena over at all as seen in the mini map due to the size and shape.

I have to say that they chose the places for the arenas in area's that are least effected by player housing, as there is only room for one house here, and a small one at that, and while inconvenient for you, it's not in the best spot :/
 

atlanticScorpion

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This seem to be a big oversight on the part of the developers. They should compansate the home owners by giving them a keep in malas where there is plenty of room in non housing areas. Like they did for contests they've had in the past.
 

virtualhabitat

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you are standing between the house and the arena.

according to the house placement rules I must have at least one tile space on either side and a five tile space in front and back.

my house is not touching the arena, else you wouldn't be able to be between them.

Did you open the stone menu and see where various people have been using it?
 

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you are standing between the house and the arena.

according to the house placement rules I must have at least one tile space on either side and a five tile space in front and back.

my house is not touching the arena, else you wouldn't be able to be between them.

Did you open the stone menu and see where various people have been using it?
I understand that it's not actually touching the building but your house is obviously blocking the entire east side of it. Whether or not you can still use the stone and the arena is not what's in question, the fact is that no one should have to use Circle of Transparency to utilize a game feature just because someone's house happens to be right on top of it.
 

virtualhabitat

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well, as i said before, the stone wasn't there until Thursday.

I placed it legally.

no guard zone, no stone.

Notice all the space around where they could put the stone other than where they did?
 

virtualhabitat

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the fact is that no one should have to use Circle of Transparency to utilize a game feature just because someone's house happens to be right on top of it.
Does this mean that all houses right on top of treasure map locations should be deleted because no one should have to use circle of transparency to utilize a game feature?
 

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just remove all the arenas except for lost lands = problem solved then maybe there will be someone to fight there!
 

Larisa

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Does this mean that all houses right on top of treasure map locations should be deleted because no one should have to use circle of transparency to utilize a game feature?
Those are random and can be reset...this cannot.

I agree that they can easily move the stone and the entrance to the arena but putting your house right on top of the tiled area was probably a big no no lol.
 

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so...wait...that stone being spawned under houses is the problem and the reason houses need to be moved?....


....um...why not move the STONE to the corner of the arena, a few tiles left, then it's out of the spot that's placable by houses, can still be accessed and nothing would be blocking it?
 

virtualhabitat

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so...wait...that stone being spawned under houses is the problem and the reason houses need to be moved?....
Yes it is.

....um...why not move the STONE to the corner of the arena, a few tiles left, then it's out of the spot that's placable by houses, can still be accessed and nothing would be blocking it?
Capital idea! I have no idea why that is so difficult.

It's probably a far easier task than resetting all of those treasure chests.
 

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so...wait...that stone being spawned under houses is the problem and the reason houses need to be moved?....


....um...why not move the STONE to the corner of the arena, a few tiles left, then it's out of the spot that's placable by houses, can still be accessed and nothing would be blocking it?
Yeah I think now that we've actually looked into this and seen what the issues are...the house blocking the entire east wall isn't an issue as far as I am concerned if they could move the entrance and the stone out to the south side that would fix everything.
 

A Thought Elemental

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I just realized from this thread that these arenas physically exist in the regular, playable world areas.

Alright. It's entirely possible that there's something I don't understand. I haven't worked on the big production UO servers before. I don't know what big, horrible caviats prevent things from being done a certain way.

....But like.. without even thinking about it, without even considering otherwise, I totally would have made the arena area in a space which players do not (presently) access in the normal world. One of the areas that exist in the world but are not used for anything. Or even, an edit could be made to one of the empty spaces in the world now, and add the arena there.
 
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Well, someone finally updated the patch message with the latest publish. Thanks!
 

Petra Fyde

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As far as I can tell the problem appears to be that the paved area around the arena hasn't been counted by the game as part of the structure, and it should have been.
These houses are built over that paving.

On a personal level I would have had grave misgivings about placing a house over what was clearly part of the structure, even if the game allowed it, but then I have several years of game experience to call on.
 

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hehe

Depends on how one looks at that spot though.

When I placed a home plot on that spot on Siege,
I kept the *walls* of my house closest to the arena
very short like garden fencing. Matched the arena perfectly too.
The house walls closer to oceanside were full height.

This was before any *arena* patch.

I kept thinking IF EVER anyone ever uses
this never used Ocllo arena, it be a grand lil spot
to sell lobster traps/fishin poles/ bandages/potions
and GATE scrolls, albeit at the time, NO guardzone area. :mf_prop:

I did not keep that spot though,
figured no one would ever use the Ocllo arena on Siege anyhow,
little did I know back then,
that they would make the Ocllo arena go *LIVE,* one day !

But yeh it was a great lil spot, otherwise
especially to fish from and toss ye boat into the sea to sail from. :)
 

RaDian FlGith

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this is a super place to post this stuff, but these boards arent viewed by every player.
I really wish that Mythic would take this statement seriously.

These forums aren't even read by a majority of players.

In fact, the "official forums" of most games are not read by the majority of players. Heck, the "guild forums" of most guilds are not read by the majority of their members.

In-game and/or patch screen announcements are the best, most effective ways to communicate serious issues to players. And yes, as you pointed out, the issue with mannequins is serious enough to be posted somewhere important.
 

RaDian FlGith

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according to the house placement rules I must have at least one tile space on either side and a five tile space in front and back.
Actually, there must be five tiles between the front and back sides of houses and other houses. It is only ONE tile surrounding the house that must be completely free of in-game objects (statics).

For instance, if you go to the crossroads between Britain, Yew, and Minoc, you will find houses with exactly one tile behind them and the tower that covers the road.

The issue is that yet again, someone forgot to test something that rather obviously should have been on the QA checklist, and now players are on the downside of both Mythic and the people who say, "The only possible reason you could have chosen to place there was to be a jerk."

Le. Sigh.
 

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not quite true (anymore) the newer housing placement rules you also need 5 tiles clearence from non-placable statics at the front stairs. (can't place with a tree 2 tiles in front anymore). Only way to get around this rule now is to place a classic house and convert it to customizable (makes the house improperly placed, but lets you place in a spot where you can't anymore due to something being in front of the stairs)
 

Ahuaeyjnkxs

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wow... why not get a GM to contact the players by e-mail ?

Why do we have to deal with this drama, I am willing however to help anyone move if they need me...
 

RaDian FlGith

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not quite true (anymore) the newer housing placement rules you also need 5 tiles clearence from non-placable statics at the front stairs. (can't place with a tree 2 tiles in front anymore). Only way to get around this rule now is to place a classic house and convert it to customizable (makes the house improperly placed, but lets you place in a spot where you can't anymore due to something being in front of the stairs)
When I said that you needed 1 tile around, I was including the stairs as part of the house. As long as you have one space between the stairs and the tree, it's placeable. As long as you have one space between the back of the plot and a static wall, it's placeable. The five-tile rule is between player houses (and an occasional EM/seer placed object as well), not static structures.
 

RaDian FlGith

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hehe

Depends on how one looks at that spot though.

When I placed a home plot on that spot on Siege,
I kept the *walls* of my house closest to the arena
very short like garden fencing. Matched the arena perfectly too.
The house walls closer to oceanside were full height.

This was before any *arena* patch...
I know precisely what you mean. I presently hold a plot in Felucca outside of Cove that I grabbed completely because of its relevance to a portion of Great Lakes' community that has long since died. However, I fashioned the plot in the style of Cove, much as I feel that the previous owner of the plot might have done had she still been playing when customizable housing went live (mind you, I have no idea how she might have developed the plot in full save that she'd have included vendor stalls that I haven't simply because it's in Felucca, and I doubt anyone would shop there).

But as I designed that plot, because of its position, I took great care to not overpower anything going in Cove itself, and to match the woodwork and typical design of Cove. Aside from being player-owned housing, it is definitely a Cove building.
 

Ahuaeyjnkxs

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Definately everytime I see a house like shown here on the picture and the owner has made an effort to make the building fit... I'm filled with joy.

Some people have great skills, its one way of letting them express themselves.

Just the title : Is your house in the right spot ?

Comes off as more than rude... even more... its way more than rude.

Read it again...

is your house in the right spot ?

I mean really... ?! :confused:
 

aarons6

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Definately everytime I see a house like shown here on the picture and the owner has made an effort to make the building fit... I'm filled with joy.

Some people have great skills, its one way of letting them express themselves.

Just the title : Is your house in the right spot ?

Comes off as more than rude... even more... its way more than rude.

Read it again...

is your house in the right spot ?

I mean really... ?! :confused:

maybe this is a hint..

is your house in the right spot?

maybe they are going to go through the land and delete ALL houses that are in spots their arent supposed to be..
 

virtualhabitat

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So, it is now Saturday and my house is still there.

I would celebrate, but communication from uo has been sketchy.
-Who knows, maybe Friday means Sunday over at the Herald.
Maybe not taking it down means it gets to stay.

Oh, how I wish someone from UO could tell me what's going on in a coherent statement!

So I will sit around all weekend not being able to actually use my house because I have no idea what is really going on.
 

QueenZen

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Well I do know, if no one has that spot on your shard, that a house spot
sorta right next doorish to the tannery, but a bit closer on the waterfront,
will hold a house plot nearly, approx. the same size. *just in case*

Ocllo is a wonderful island, wish that when they originally made Ocllo,
that they would have made it less hilly
for more housing to actually go up there, that were not lil 8 x 8s mostly.

Think off on the far west shoreline [if empty] the biggest spots there
maybe once held a villa or classic L, but like yeh only 1 or 2, if that,
the rest are all smaller plots, anywhere, on Ocllo.

*even wish we could put larger homes up, on Bucs Den* :)

Ah well, soo much UO land, so much wasted space, sometimes ! :(
 

virtualhabitat

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So I guess nothing became of this?
Well, I have sent three messages to Mesanna. The last one was on Monday morning.
I have heard nothing. It is disappointing that none of them have even been acknowledged as having been received.

My house is still there.

I do wish someone would let me know what's going on.

Honestly, after seeing the original Herald announcement I am beginning to think the Herald was hacked by one of those Nigerian scam letter people.
 
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