Town Hall and 6 Hour Drive

[shadowgate]

Well as someone who took the time to drive the six hours. I gotta say I enjoyed it and learning of the booster program was great. However I also am quite frustrated by Cal.
I was patiently waiting for the option to ask a question. My #1 question was taken by you WEB FREAKS !!!!!! It was regarding Customizable Keeps and Castles. The response he gave on that was "We aren't going to discuss that." I so wanted to say "Excuse me we aren't going to discuss that , um I just spent somewhere between 2 and 3 hundred dollars to drive up here and stayed at your recommended hotel which had crappy internet and a indoor pool that was freezing." I think we / I deserve a better answer than we aren't going to discuss that. THAT WAS JUST FREAKING LAME!!!!!!

 

[Sweety]

Are you going to cry?

 

[shadowgate]

Are you going to cry?

What would be the point

 

[Martyna Zmuir]

Sorry, hun. But your first mistake was expecting that they would answer questions with.. you know.. actual answers. When have they ever done that?

 

[Krinkle]

"Excuse me we aren't going to discuss that"...

Learn to read between the lines.... He did not say 'no' outright like he did for other things.

 

[Tazar]

Same answer I got from Draconi at last town-hall... and from Leurocian at the one the year before that... and the year before that...

 

[Theo_GL]

Same answer I got from Draconi at last town-hall... and from Leurocian at the one the year before that... and the year before that...

Maybe you should stop asking? You sound like my kids.

 

[Tazar]

lol at least I wait a year between - rather than every 5 minutes...

 

[BajaElladan]

NO! We Will NEVER allow customizable Keeps or Castles!!!

There. Now you have a much better answer to that Question!

 

[MalagAste]

Yeah much like the answer to my question....

When are they going to give me back the housing menu from KR that allowed me multiple house co-ownership...

"It was a bug".... sounds to me like they aren't going to fix it which 100% ticks me off.

I pay for 8 accounts... monthly.... that's quite a bit... and I can not access half the crap in my house's on 90% of my characters without logging out and in and out and in and out and in just to do anything and in order to allow me to have actual "friends" in UO given access to my house I have to shut myself out of it?

So I have to either set everything in my house to "friend" meaning I can't secure anything on 90% of my characters... and I can't change any access's... and I can't have any of my "in-game" friends as "friends" unless I want to allow them access to everything I own... Or I lock myself out of my own things and can only access things I need on one account per house.

KR changed that... KR allowed you to co-own everyone to every house... you could be co-owned to as many houses as you wanted to... and you could have as many co-owners as you wanted.

I'm sorry but I FAIL to see the harm in that.

Show me and tell me where that hurts the game or gives any unfair advantage or corrupts the game or give me this ability back.

I am sure that 99% of the people in my situation WOULD log into the EC just to use this ability so if what is holding this back is the fact that you can't put this into BOTH clients then don't... put it into the EC and don't punish everyone because of it.

Bug or not it is something that is needed... and wanted and worthwhile and it's not like it would take 100's of programing hours to put back in.... it was already there before in KR.

Housing is one of the things that separates UO from most of the other games out... It is one thing that is UO's crowning glory... that sets UO apart and above so many other games out there. Neglecting it does not make sense.

 

[RaDian FlGith]

Err, no offense, but you drove 6 hours to be their guest. They're under no obligation to answer any of your questions simply because you drove.

And, you know, whether or not they ever change their mind on it, they've answered that question almost as much as "When will there be a Classic Shard."

 

[Lady Storm]

I agree you sound like one of the kids....

Look the real point was going to an event hardly any of the rest of us could go to. You got to meet and see people we only know by name.

I for one would say to your question, once along time ago that was answered by the lead producer of UO.... he said it was not feasable to make a plot that size for ether keep or caslte.
Now by the sound of things at this meeting they took alot of ideas from players like you and I.(I'm happy some of my requests will be part of the booster) Give them a break, your asking for all the upcoming secrets to be handed to you. It dont work that way kiddo. Leave some mystery for later.
Will it effect your UO game play.... ? NO
Customization of a castle or keep is not top #1 in alot of peoples books when it comes to UO.
What I wanted to hear was that Mythic was going to make an effort to push UO to the public and get more players to fill the big holes we got in the player population.

These Booster's sound great and just might pull alot back into UO if we spred the word, I expect them to not be out till spring or late winter... its hard work to do all that.

 

[Trevelyan]

To be honest, relatively few people have castles and keeps. If you make customisable keeps and castles, you are catering for a select few. If you then quote the x number of accounts you pay for, this seems to imply that you think your demands are worth more than other peoples?

I would love to have one or two bits "fixed" in my castle and have some tweaks made to the interior too (moving the door at the back a little, the top left banisters sorting a bit, remove some of the double stacked walls that are probably due to a messy design). But just because you have a castle doesn't mean that other houses don't need customising as well.

A better idea is to allow limited customisation or improvement to all classic houses too. I would much prefer to work from a classic house than use a custom house, personally, because the bases are all so similar and "wrong" - they don't blend seamlessly enough into the walls placed on top and so end up looking somewhat out of place. Classic house bases are far more integrated with the rest of the design and there are actually more bases on offer (marble, sandstone etc) that fit with the different wall types.

I think different shape bases would be a good next step for house customisation (l-shape, east facing plots etc) as well as perhaps new pre-made styles. Its been 7 years since the last real housing system update, I think that perhaps some more house changes would be cool. Would make a good booster pack

 

[Evlar]

These Booster's sound great and just might pull alot back into UO if we spred the word...

 

[Lord Frodo]

Can’t remember which Dev. said it but when custom houses first came out there were 3 Clasic houses that could not be customized, the L-Shape, Keep and Castle. The reason given was that all three took up more than 1 housing slot. The L-Shape takes 2 because of its design and the Keep and Castle take up 4 each because of their size. From this I would guess that a housing slot is an 18x18 grid and trying to get more than one slot to match up to another would be impossible. Until all 3 of these only take up 1 slot than it will be impossible to customize these 3 styles.

 

[Tazar]

Yeah much like the answer to my question....

When are they going to give me back the housing menu from KR that allowed me multiple house co-ownership...

"It was a bug".... sounds to me like they aren't going to fix it which 100% ticks me off.

I pay for 8 accounts... monthly.... that's quite a bit... and I can not access half the crap in my house's on 90% of my characters without logging out and in and out and in and out and in just to do anything and in order to allow me to have actual "friends" in UO given access to my house I have to shut myself out of it?

So I have to either set everything in my house to "friend" meaning I can't secure anything on 90% of my characters... and I can't change any access's... and I can't have any of my "in-game" friends as "friends" unless I want to allow them access to everything I own... Or I lock myself out of my own things and can only access things I need on one account per house.

KR changed that... KR allowed you to co-own everyone to every house... you could be co-owned to as many houses as you wanted to... and you could have as many co-owners as you wanted.

I'm sorry but I FAIL to see the harm in that.

Show me and tell me where that hurts the game or gives any unfair advantage or corrupts the game or give me this ability back.

I am sure that 99% of the people in my situation WOULD log into the EC just to use this ability so if what is holding this back is the fact that you can't put this into BOTH clients then don't... put it into the EC and don't punish everyone because of it.

Bug or not it is something that is needed... and wanted and worthwhile and it's not like it would take 100's of programing hours to put back in.... it was already there before in KR.

Housing is one of the things that separates UO from most of the other games out... It is one thing that is UO's crowning glory... that sets UO apart and above so many other games out there. Neglecting it does not make sense.

I guess you missed Cal's answer back on August 19th in Flutter's "My Dead Horse" thread... even though you posted later in the same thread...

 

[Mapper]

Can’t remember which Dev. said it but when custom houses first came out there were 3 Clasic houses that could not be customized, the L-Shape, Keep and Castle. The reason given was that all three took up more than 1 housing slot. The L-Shape takes 2 because of its design and the Keep and Castle take up 4 each because of their size. From this I would guess that a housing slot is an 18x18 grid and trying to get more than one slot to match up to another would be impossible. Until all 3 of these only take up 1 slot than it will be impossible to customize these 3 styles.

I believe the main reason is the fact they aren't squares, Castles cannot be converted to an entire square because of the trees in courtyards, Same with Keeps and L shapes. The only way around it would be to allow walls/doors/teleporters etc added on the original designs, Which is an entirely new system compared to the current system. I would think house teleporters as vet rewards EA hoped it would squash the 'I want to customize my castle/keep!' people, But it hasn't.

 

[Pfloyd]

The better answer would have been "There is no longer anyone on the dev team that understands how to implement this."

 

[Lord Frodo]

I believe the main reason is the fact they aren't squares, Castles cannot be converted to an entire square because of the trees in courtyards, Same with Keeps and L shapes. The only way around it would be to allow walls/doors/teleporters etc added on the original designs, Which is an entirely new system compared to the current system. I would think house teleporters as vet rewards EA hoped it would squash the 'I want to customize my castle/keep!' people, But it hasn't.

It was the way that they are stored. A Keep and a Castle take up 4 storage spots because of thier size and the L_Shape took up 2 storage spots because of its shape. An 18x18 only takes up 1 storage spot and it is the largest house that can be built. He never said anything about trees or anything else. It was the way they are stored on the server.

 

[canary]

These Booster's sound great and just might pull alot back into UO if we spred the word, I expect them to not be out till spring or late winter... its hard work to do all that.

hahahaha, silly rabbit.

 

[AesSedai]

- Maybe they should give the people what they want...

Keep = 22x22 customized
Castle = 12x18 customized

I think that is the biggest footprint possible that will not level any trees in the way. So that there are not any shady real estate sales, make the castle have the same item storage as a 12x18.

Likewise with any other irregular shape; just replace it with the biggest solid rectangle possible..

Would everyone be happy then? -Nay.
But it would be the 'easiest' option ('though it would take some work to do).

 

[canary]

They need to take one day and at the VERY least offer two- three different versions of the castle and keep. Variety is the spice of life.

I don't think the should be be customized. I do believe there should be more than just one option available to people who do have keeps or castles, though.

 

[Ls Jax Ls]

I wish people would stop whining about things that have no long-term effect on the game whatsoever. This is why we can't have nice things

 

[canary]

I wish people would stop whining about things that have no long-term effect on the game whatsoever. This is why we can't have nice things

No, we get nice things from time to time.

Just not always.

To some people, their cyber homes are a big deal. I'm not a fan of keeps or castles, but I won't say they are not entitled to feeling like they do.