Top 4 Worst things in PVP bugs Etc.

[Guest]

First off lets try and not get this locked.Please stay on topic and keep it friendly.

1.Speedhackers
2.4/6 chiv mages
3.Teleporting pets in to private houses
4.90+ damages lightning strikes with use of a bug

These are the ones that i can think of.Im sure i have more just trying to limit it to a few at a time.

 

[Winder UO]

1-4 Archery.

 

[Hex_Europa]

I haven't found Chiv Mages to be anywhere near as much of a problem since the 70 Magery cap was introduced.

 

[Daren Athlorn]

1. Speedhackers
2. Spawn cams

Those are the only two that are really destroying PvP right now for me... my other 2 are pet peeves.

3. Wither spamming necro groups
4. Moving Shot spamming archers

 

[Guest]

I believe the OP is referring to any bug at any given time.

And I would like to throw in the Lance dismount. Before it was nerfed, you could dismount people with a lance while you are on a mount, regardless of whether or not the other person was holding a lance.

 

[Guest]

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I believe the OP is referring to any bug at any given time.

And I would like to throw in the Lance dismount. Before it was nerfed, you could dismount people with a lance while you are on a mount, regardless of whether or not the other person was holding a lance.

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Yes current bugs and there is still a way to do 90+ damge with lightning strike.But dont botehr to pm me i wont tell ya.

 

[Guest]

Oh. ... Hrm. Well 4/6 chiv mages don't exist anymore, so that's what threw me off.

 

[Daren Athlorn]

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Yes current bugs and there is still a way to do 90+ damge with lightning strike.But dont botehr to pm me i wont tell ya.

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If there is then you should probably send Jeremy an email and report it to uobugs so they can get it fixed (and they will).

 

[Guest]

1-4. I really suck at it...la

 

[Guest]

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...speedhacking to some extent, but im not too worried about that one.

[/ QUOTE ]Well, no, you wouldn't be, would you?

 

[Guest]

Come on Fox!

Well dunno really, spawn cams are truely annyoing.

Also i liked the days where 95% of my deaths were not caused by dismount/mortal combo.

 

[imported_MoonglowMerchant]

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Come on Fox!

Well dunno really, spawn cams are truely annyoing.

Also i liked the days where 95% of my deaths were not caused by dismount/mortal combo.

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You know that eating an apple or casting remove curse removes mortal right?

 

[Guest]

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Come on Fox!

Well dunno really, spawn cams are truely annyoing.

Also i liked the days where 95% of my deaths were not caused by dismount/mortal combo.

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You know that eating an apple or casting remove curse removes mortal right?

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Not to mention gift of renewal, confidence, and spirit speak heal through mortal.

 

[imported_IgotWood]

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1-4 Archery.

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1. Speed hax
2. Mounting up while running
3. 60+ AI's (certain person on Napa pulls em off)

 

[Masumatek]

Item-based.
Tamers.

 

[Masumatek]

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3. Wither spamming necro groups
4. Moving Shot spamming archers

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3) Turn on friendly fire, which should be done even if wither didn't exist.
4) Require base mana cost for weapon specials. Very few specials are actually overpowered themselves. Moving shot is certainly not one of them. What does cause imbalance is using specials below the intended mana cost. Skills should not offer a 5-10 point reduction in mana cost. LMC is a problem for both weapon specials and spells and should either be removed or capped much lower. Require specials and spells to be timed more and spammed less...which isn't going to happen unless you take aways the mana reduction.

 

[imported_The_Dude_]

1. Speedhacks
2. Speedhacks
3. Client modifications
4. Scripts

 

[Guest]

1)Bola exploit
2)Spawn Cams

 

[Guest]

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1.Speedhackers
2.4/6 chiv mages
3.Teleporting pets in to private houses
4.90+ damages lightning strikes with use of a bug

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1) Speedhacking wouldn't be an issue if PVP didn't focus on running away so much. There isn't much more that can be done beyond implementing Punkbuster for this.
2) 4 faster casting Chivalry is a problem in general. They should try reducing it so everything is capped at 2 Faster Casting.
3) Pets in private houses is definitely not a top PVP issue, especially since it i completely avoidable by the house owner.
4) Lightning strike bug? This is the first I've heard of it. Are you sure because all Lightning Strike gives is a HCI bonus and a small chance to perform Armor Ignore. I haven't heard of any bugs with Armor Ignore

 

[Masumatek]

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1)Bola exploit

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Bolas and dismount shouldn't exist period=problem solved.

 

[imported_Farsight]

What I find amusing about every discussion about PvP is that after the bugs are mentioned, people start complaining about other templates.

Just in this thread, people have talked about tamers, paladins, samurai, archers and necromancers as all being part of the problem. So, lacking experience in PvP myself, I just want to know which template is NOT part of the PvP problem?

I mean apart from thieves. They're bloody useless.

 

[imported_Sip-n-Shine]

1. Balance


There is none an for those of you they say Archery or the specials are over powered. Go to test and give it a try on a mage.

A Mage Archer is a joke you will collect more death robes than needed. I got a better chance in a room full of Ancient Wyrms.

 

[Guest]

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1.Speedhackers
2.4/6 chiv mages
3.Teleporting pets in to private houses
4.90+ damages lightning strikes with use of a bug

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1) Speedhacking wouldn't be an issue if PVP didn't focus on running away so much. There isn't much more that can be done beyond implementing Punkbuster for this.
2) 4 faster casting Chivalry is a problem in general. They should try reducing it so everything is capped at 2 Faster Casting.
3) Pets in private houses is definitely not a top PVP issue, especially since it i completely avoidable by the house owner.
4) Lightning strike bug? This is the first I've heard of it. Are you sure because all Lightning Strike gives is a HCI bonus and a small chance to perform Armor Ignore. I haven't heard of any bugs with Armor Ignore

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Yeah im sure and i ve sent in numerous bug reports with no luck.

 

[imported_Sip-n-Shine]

I agree about a fair chance. An yes there are people that cheat to no end. Just to say i win. I am talking about balance if there is no balance you have just got a worse mess. I dont think i have to play the flavor of the Patch just to compete.

Most of us knew that when they started this item crap this was the worst thing that could happen. An here we are fighting item against item with 0 skill involved.

I really would like to see some Balance.

 

[imported_thenow]

1 to 4 , all forms of cheating.In my 8yrs of playing I've never seen cheating as bad as it has been last few YEARS. When we get this fixed, then pvp overall can be looked at with more scrutiny.I have to say dismount has it uses with all the speedhacking and shld stay as is
The main reason archers are not liked because it can get that last arrow in as they speedhack away. That really annoys them
Template problems are very minimal I say, theres always a way to work around it.

 

[Guest]

1. Me.

 

[Guest]

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Top 4 Worst things in PVP bugs Etc.

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1. AoS
2. Insurance
3. Item Based PvP
4. Artifacts


5. Scripts
6. Speedhacking

 

[Guest]

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Come on Fox!

Well dunno really, spawn cams are truely annyoing.

Also i liked the days where 95% of my deaths were not caused by dismount/mortal combo.

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You know that eating an apple or casting remove curse removes mortal right?

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You know that an apple only works every 2 mins. And remove curse can be fizzled by low lvl spells and hits?

 

[Connor_Graham]

1. Stepping through the red moongate

2. Getting Evil Omen para'd

3. Getting Corpse Skinned

4. Having 5 mages simultaneously hit you with Flamestrike

And all before your screen has even finished loading....

 

[Winder UO]

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Well, no, you wouldn't be, would you?

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If you are implying that i speedhack.

1) You have no clue
2) Might wanna clean your own ranks and alliance first. And delete all the scripts you are known for using in PvP

 

[imported_lord richard]

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1. Stepping through the red moongate

2. Getting Evil Omen para'd

3. Getting Corpse Skinned

4. Having 5 mages simultaneously hit you with Flamestrike

And all before your screen has even finished loading....


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That's the PvP I remember...........always a gank squad....cowardly C.S. tactics...mostly beacuse the attacker doesn't want to loose.

I just wonder if one fine day we all logged into the game and every artifact and property other than the resists was removed from the game...no rings no bracers no nothing but the stuff our crafters could make...now we'll see who can really pvp. No FC, FCR, the higher the level spell takes longer to cast etc....just like it used to be.

 

[Connor_Graham]

"and connor: there is no pvp through a blue gate, remember that will ya? "

I do belive I specifically stated RED moongate.

*checks*

Yep. Sure did.

 

[Guest]

Hey, you forgot #0!

0) Dispel gate once guy walks through

1) kill

hehe

 

[Guest]

If there is really a bug where people can do 90+ damage LS then this thread should pretty much just be about that, because nothing is as close to as [censored] up as that.

To the people who gave ways to counter mortal, in a dismount/mortal situation, um, if you're dismounted and mortaled, you're probably being attacked by at least two people ;D = gank squad death.

Anyway,

1) Stealthers. There really aren't a lot of Ghost Cams anymore. Most people just run Stealthers, and log in and out every so often in key places. For example, why can you place boats at Oasis? You shouldn't be able to, but people have. Archers are fine in general. I mean, concussion is so nasty. But most of the time it's fair. But stealth archers are just stupid. Then you have stealth tamers. How lame is that. What's more lame are the people who say "go make a detect hidden char." Stealth = I can't PvP. Then there are eggs, and all that nonsense, too. The reason I think Stealthers are the worst part of PvP is because there is really no way to change Stealthers from being what they are. In fact, Stealthers are the closest thing we have to thieves, now

. All they do is rez-kill and go off and hide ;D

2) EA. People are tired of waiting for a PunkBuster-like fix, and are using Cheat En(cough) and Speeders because many people consider these programs legit at this point, since some features do not affect stream. EA needs to take a stand like they did with vendor house scripters.

3) Curse Bugs (to be addressed, soon)

4) Evil Omen. Just too powerful. 60 skill (100% cast on Evil Omen) should not trump 120. A player's Magic Resist past 100 should have a chance to completely resist Evil Omen, while keeping the PvM aspect of Evil Omen intact, perhaps.

 

[Death Adder]

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1)Bola exploit

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Bolas and dismount shouldn't exist period=problem solved.

[/ QUOTE ]Seconded. People who say "we need a way to handle runners/speedhackers" imply that it can't be done without Dismount, something my character disproves every outing (by racking up multiple kills against speedhackers without Dismounting them).

 

[Masumatek]

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then neither should disarm... going off of no dismount

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I agree. Though there would need to be something to give to wrestlers.

 

[Guest]

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then neither should disarm... going off of no dismount

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I agree. Though there would need to be something to give to wrestlers.

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Spandex?

Chiv mages casting at 4 - 1
Evil omen - 2

That would be enough for me. Speed hacking is assumed. Also, something I hear little about is heal proggies. Nothing like someone who can ONLY be killed by a gank squad.

 

[imported_IgotWood]

aye you did but you never step through them so how would you know?

and going through a red gate doesn't mean pvp...anywhoser

new one: casting explosion while hidden (we are going off of old school too right?)

 

[imported_Lord GOD(GOD)]

1) Items replacing skill as the primary way of doing w/e it is. Such as bolas, petals, trap boxes, pots.
2) Pets that for no good reason ignore all caps &amp; mechanics. Such as damage caps &amp; not freezing to cast.
3) The exclusion of certain skills as viable pvp templates, even if their pvp use differentiated from their pvm use.
4) Combinations of heal methods that are necessary for group fights being used in 1v1 situations to the point someone is as good as invincible.

 

[imported_S!ckLoveR]

Not necessary in order :

1. Dismount &amp; Disarm (Need to have some sort of requirements boost like being tied to a skill)

3. Poisoning/Curing and consumables like Potions (Poisoning and ways to combat it need a completely new system. Potions and E.Apples etc. are just cheap)

4. Cheats
5. ...Cheats
6. Even more cheats
7. Did I mention cheats?
8. Remember cheats?
9. Srsly. Cheats.

10. Some equipment categories being pushed aside. 2 handed weapons and mace fighting weapons for instance. Actually forget that and fight the problem at its root. I think it's time for an Item Rebalance project..
Hopefully including a way to morph items so that we can have matching armour suits and weapons.

11. More template restrictions. Good start with meditation changes and Bushido changes.

 

[Masumatek]

I agree with everyone about pots/apples/petals/etc...such items should just be removed from the game. They nerf/replace actual skills. And they're so powerful they give those that use them a huge huge advantage over those that don't. Just more item-based nonsense.

I once suggested a skill be required to use such items, but the idea was shot down....why? Because people RELY on these items to PvP and can't imagine PvPing without them or it costing anything to use them.

 

[Guest]

One of the problems with skill is that old people are set on the idea that skill past 100 should not allow too much of an advantage, due to veteran skill points which allow veteran accounts greater success in such a system. Like, a vet can have 120 resist, maybe a newb can only fit in 100. So you make it so starting at 100, you get some sort of benefit. An example would be blackrock infection. At first, it was an elite ability for 120 mages, then EA changed it so basically any mage or necro could obtain such infection.

 

[imported_Daelomin]

Top 4 disliked things pvp-wise - that need balancing:

1. People running programs to run faster, there are several such programs, which basically makes your char jump/warp over the screen. This should be the next challange for Draconi to fix - as he seems to be sorting most things out.

2. Dismount and Animal Form, using animal form on a dismount type of char, is out of balance. Animal form should not be doable on the run, add a frozen-timer when summoning animal form (2 secs, interuptable).

3. Archery as a whole needs to be looked at. Ranged mortal, Balanced bows, moving shot, too short stoppage time before each shot etc. Archery need a couple of balancing nerfs.

4. Smokebombs, can be used on a mount when you are low health to actually escape death. Change smoke bombs so they can only be used on foot. (eg ninja style).

 

[imported_Daelomin]

5. Petals should be removed from game, or loose its functionality within felucca facet.