To recreate or not?

[Guest]

How many of you will be recreating old sims? The amnesty is a one time thing. After amnesty, when we recreate we will only get 10 skill locks + 1 every 21 days. If we recreate before amnesty we get the locks based on entitlement days. For those having sims with less locks than their entitlement, it is a good time to recreate. The best time! I will probably recreate a few of mine, but I hate losing the skills.

 

[Guest]

I've thought about this myself, really don't like most of my betaville family but the thought of needing to reskill more sims just doesn't thrill me at all.

Wasn't there some word on our ability to change our sims looks? Now that would be nice, if we could change them someday down the line I would much rather do that.

 

[Guest]

Me too. I hope they let us know soon if and when we will get that ability.

 

[imported_Mavric]

I recreated two of my BVers, hated their look. After the amnesty, hmmm, don't know, I really like locks, won't want to lose them, so I'll most likely never recreate again.

Mavric

 

[mike1977]

Don't forget if you kill an old sim you lose his/her personal property object limit. It sucks to start over on that...back to 100 objects.

 

[Guest]

Good point. Is the age of the sim not affected by amnesty? I have seen nothing talking about the sim age after amnesty. Would there be a day old sim with 60 locks? I have been meaning to ask that question for a while now.

 

[Guest]

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I recreated two of my BVers, hated their look. After the amnesty, hmmm, don't know, I really like locks, won't want to lose them, so I'll most likely never recreate again.

Mavric

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I was under the impression that people who qualified for amnesty would not be affected by the 10 locks for new sims thing, but that one of the incentives to signing up before the amnesty deadline was always qualifying with the amnesty rules.....I'm gonna go re-read the latest blog post, but did I misunderstand that? If so, haven't they taken away part of the incentive that amnesty players who don't like not being able to recreate at will were excited about? I'll repost again if I still read this the same way after I go re-read it....but now I'm

and I hope I'm not misreading things.

 

[Guest]

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I recreated two of my BVers, hated their look. After the amnesty, hmmm, don't know, I really like locks, won't want to lose them, so I'll most likely never recreate again.

Mavric

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I was under the impression that people who qualified for amnesty would not be affected by the 10 locks for new sims thing, but that one of the incentives to signing up before the amnesty deadline was always qualifying with the amnesty rules.....I'm gonna go re-read the latest blog post, but did I misunderstand that? If so, haven't they taken away part of the incentive that amnesty players who don't like not being able to recreate at will were excited about? I'll repost again if I still read this the same way after I go re-read it....but now I'm

and I hope I'm not misreading things.

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Future Skill Lock Algorithm
Starting immediately following the skill lock amnesty, skill locks will be separately tracked and not based solely on the age of the avatar. Meaning you will not be able to take the avatars age and divide by 21, add 20 and arrive the number of skill locks. Here are the rules going forward after amnesty:


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Skill locks can be gained but not lost.
Events or other programs, like skill lock amnesty, may add skill locks.
All new avatars will receive 10 locks.
Each 21 days off avatar age on a Premium or Founder account will accumulate 1 lock. Free players accumulate no locks. However, if a player goes from paying to free the avatar they maintain retains their locks accumulated. They of course do not continue to accumulate

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OK, this is the line that had me confused and thinking that for people who qualified for amnesty, from amnesty forward *their* skill locks on any and all avatars would be based on account age.....the line about amnesty may add locks. Yes the base number is 10, but wouldn't that mean that any player who recreated would only lose the 10 locks, or would all future avatars created after the amnesty period start counting by sim age again? Being able to recreate freely was a big deal and I always thought the only disadvantage to recreating was if your sim age exceeded your entitlement days, and still did after reading the latest blog entry. I hope we get clarification on this so we know what information to circulate in game.

 

[Guest]

From the blog:
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Gifts, Skill Locks, and Amnesty
Posted in Thank you, Accounts, Fun, Events by Greg on the March 25th, 2008
What is Amnesty?
Amnesty concerns anniversary gifts and skill locks. It works for all account types.

Regarding anniversary gifts, amnesty means ensuring that every player gets at least one set of requisite gifts for their entitlement age, regardless of whether they lost (or did not lose) those gifts.

The TSO founder simmy is included in amnesty as is an extension to the original date (see below).

<font color="red">For a short period of time (now until April 30, 2008) </font> , the algorithm used for skill locks will be adjusted to consider entitlement age as an alternative means of calculating skill locks. <font color="blue">After the amnesty period, a new algorithm for determining skill locks will be in place. </font> <font color="red">So create your characters before the deadline to take advantage of the amensty </font> , the algorithm for after is tougher!



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I could be reading that completely wrong. If so I apologize. I believe they are talking about future events.
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<font color="blue"> <font color="blue"> </font> <font color="blue"> </font> </font>
Starting immediately following the skill lock amnesty, skill locks will be separately tracked and not based solely on the age of the avatar. Meaning you will not be able to take the avatars age and divide by 21, add 20 and arrive the number of skill locks. Here are the rules going forward after amnesty:



Skill locks can be gained but not lost.
Events or other programs, like skill lock amnesty, may add skill locks.
<font color="blue">All new avatars will receive 10 locks. </font>
Each 21 days off avatar age on a Premium or Founder account will accumulate 1 lock. Free players accumulate no locks. However, if a player goes from paying to free the avatar they maintain retains their locks accumulated. They of course do not continue to accumulate

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You have to delete a sim to create a new sim. All new avatars will receive 10 locks. How many times have we been told once we delete a sim it is gone? &lt;---rhetorical (LMAO Love that word) Returning players after the amnesty that lost their sims due to lapse of payment, will not be included in the amnesty. Because their sims are lost.

 

[CarlosN]

M sims age is 32 days old and im entitled for 929 days should i recreate?

 

[Guest]

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From the blog:
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Gifts, Skill Locks, and Amnesty
Posted in Thank you, Accounts, Fun, Events by Greg on the March 25th, 2008
What is Amnesty?
Amnesty concerns anniversary gifts and skill locks. It works for all account types.

Regarding anniversary gifts, amnesty means ensuring that every player gets at least one set of requisite gifts for their entitlement age, regardless of whether they lost (or did not lose) those gifts.

The TSO founder simmy is included in amnesty as is an extension to the original date (see below).

<font color="red">For a short period of time (now until April 30, 2008) </font> , the algorithm used for skill locks will be adjusted to consider entitlement age as an alternative means of calculating skill locks. After the amnesty period, a new algorithm for determining skill locks will be in place. <font color="red">So create your characters before the deadline to take advantage of the amensty </font> , the algorithm for after is tougher!



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I could be reading that completely wrong. If so I apologize.

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I still read that to mean make sure your account is reactivated and the characters are created, that for those who do not get in for amnesty the algorithm will be tougher. Like you say, I could be the one reading it wrong, but if so that takes away a major incentive of rushing to get accounts reactivated before Amnesty rather than waiting. If a dev doesn't pop their head in this thread there's always the Town Hall that I'm sure people can get to once before Amnesty since we now know from that thread that there's still time to get accounts reactivated to qualify for amnesty. It just would be nice to know before hitting the 'recreate' button what the penalty will be, though even if you get confirmation in the TH before the 30th we saw by the amnesty gifts distribution decision revision that it is subject to change. At least on the 30th of Aprilthe rules ought to be set in stone, so that's not that far off, and the devs have time to change their mind if they see alot of people misunderstood and want it the way they understood it to be.


I am not a habitual recreator as there are only a few sim heads I like anyway, though I am a clothing junkie but that can be resolved by making sure you have a private store lot with at least one RenuYu rack on it, however I know alot of sims get sick of hairstyles as fast as they get sick of clothing, especially if a trend starts where they start seeing 10-15 sims on a property with their same sim head (hard not to do sometimes even with 15 pages of choices) but to my way of thinking if an account meets the requirements of amnesty then it's kinda like getting Founder status....the ACCOUNT has it, not the sim so it seems illogical that amnesty be tied to only sims created before April 30th if the account was active before April 30th. Time will tell I guess.

*fingers crossed*

 

[Guest]

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M sims age is 32 days old and im entitled for 929 days should i recreate?

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If you want to, I'd do it NOW before April 30th. Given this information, you would still get your 20 locks plus whatever you're due through entitlement age. The discrepancy now is whether or not if a person recreates on May 1st or after, but their account qualifies for amnesty because they reactivated before April 30th, they wil qualify for locks based on entitlement age or sim age. It's not a game of Russian roulette I'd play if you already know now that you want to recreate and can avoid the issue entirely, since right now all you'd lose is what, 1 sim lock that you get when your sim turns 21 days old? And only one of my sims got that, another one is 21 days old and didn't get it.....so that's sporadic too until amnesty it seems

 

[CarlosN]

I dont want to recreate i just want to know if i would have all the skill locks after amnesty or would i be stuck on 21?

 

[Guest]

You do not have to recreate. If you do, it is best to do it before amnesty. You will get locks based on your entitlement days. Since that is higher than your sim age. Whether you recreate or not.

 

[Shyanne1]

If we create all 8 sims will they all get the skill locks based on entitlement days. That itself would be an incentive to create them before 4/30. If only your oldest sim on the account gets the skill locks then that will suck.

 

[Guest]

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I dont want to recreate i just want to know if i would have all the skill locks after amnesty or would i be stuck on 21?

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Since you reactivated your account in time for amnesty you will get the amnesty locks on all avatars currently created by April 30th...so be sure all the ones that you definitely want to receive it are created by that date, unless we get word from the devs that we're wrong on that, that amnesty carries forth to all avatars created even after April 30th. For now I'd just fill up all 14 spaces on the account to make sure that you get amnesty on all of them, knowing that you can change the names of the avatar at any time, and can buy new clothes for him, so it's only the heads you have to be particular on.

 

[Guest]

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If we create all 8 sims will they all get the skill locks based on entitlement days. That itself would be an incentive to create them before 4/30. If only your oldest sim on the account gets the skill locks then that will suck.

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Yes if you create them all before 4/30 they all definitely will get locks. The unknown factor is in REcreation after April 30th, so if you go fill up all those slots now, be very careful of the faces that you give them, since that's the one thing we can't change yet. Names can be changed and clothing can be changed, even to select different clothing from the SAA screen if you purchase from a crafted rack, but heads *at this point* can't be changed. I read here that there MIGHT be the opportunity in the future because Lee had changed his avatar head, but that might just be something he did cuz he's a 'simgod' and can do that

rather than it being an indication that that might be yet to come for all of us.

This is one of the main reason I am eager for the TS2 graphics. It paves the way for CC makers to create custom skin tones and hair AND eye color for our avatars, since TS2 avatars have distinctive eye color unlike our current sims that have no retina or irises unless you look at the face that is on the pie menu when you click on the avatar in the game.....the thumbnail icons are totally eyeball-less....the spots are hollow if you look at them with a magnifying glass......how's that for nightmare-producing the next time you see a zombie sim in game

LOL

 

[imported_Gracie Nito]

Recreating for sure. Betaville was the first time I ever experienced life as a pink ape and polar bear. I learned that I'm really not the furry friendly kinda player. Dumping my one and only male sim ever from Betaville too. It's rough being a guy. Girls hitting on ya all the time! sheesh. I'm not too worried about them having skills. If they ever need any, I'll just teach them.

 

[brendagfrie]

Yea Gracie teaching does go much faster and as long as you have a well skilled sim that can teach your newbies thats the way to go. Im not gonna delete my bv boy sims...i use them as escorts for my girl simmies so they don't get hit on all the time....but you are right the guy sims do get hit on a whole lot...even if you put in your bio that you are taken lol...go figure...even had a good friend hit on my male sim that was supposedly taken by me (not realizing that it was me) ouchie did that hurt!

 

[Guest]

Plus you will have lots more fruit to eat after the amnesty.

 

[Guest]

I have learned a lot with my male sims. About ppl I thought I knew. I never hide who I am. I just do not advertise it. Gracie seems to always know me. LOL Or she acts like she does til she figures it out. I love how she is friendly to all my sims. She never asks me who I am either.

 

[NightFlyer]

TTL

What I want to know is if we retire and recreate after the amnesty date will that newly created sim still keep the account entitlement locks or start as a fresh sim might?

Please, Parizad or a Dev, an answer to this simple question, once and for all?

 

[Mystic Kitty]

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TTL

What I want to know is if we retire and recreate after the amnesty date will that newly created sim still keep the account entitlement locks or start as a fresh sim might?

Please, Parizad or a Dev, an answer to this simple question, once and for all?

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You will start with 10 locks.

 

[Guest]

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TTL

What I want to know is if we retire and recreate after the amnesty date will that newly created sim still keep the account entitlement locks or start as a fresh sim might?

Please, Parizad or a Dev, an answer to this simple question, once and for all?

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Ditto, that's where the discrepancy lies. I say if I qualify for amnesty then that entire account should qualify for amnesty amounts forever, especially if it is a premium account, if they want to make one of the disadvantages of having a free account be that all re-created avatars after April 30th will not qualify for amnesty, then fine but I don't think it's fair for premium accounts that came in believing something different. The whole point of skill locks being tied to account age rather than sim age was supposed to be to benefit those that did not wish to keep the same sim for hundreds of days or thousands of days. The way some players are interpretting the blog post seems to totally obliterate that MAJOR perk. I really, really, really hope this was just poor wording in the way that the post was written and that amnesty will count the way we thought it would count from jumpstreet. People had been begging for locks to be tied to account age for a long time before amnesty was even thought of, and we thought that's what amnesty was going to give us, not only for current sims but future ones too. If that's not the case, then this is a major bummer.

 

[NightFlyer]

We just need definative clarification on this.

And yes, I am asking about Premuim accounts.

Seems simple enough for some Dev to answer.

 

[Guest]

NO

 

[NightFlyer]

Let me make this clear.

I am asking about full status, no lapsed time, not free accounts, full paid Premium Account status, retired sim... IF recreated AFTER the amnesty date...

Will the newly created sim recieve the entitlement date locks? Or be set as if they are a new account/new sim nothing ever gained previous to the retirement sim?

Is this such a difficult question? Can someone else phrase it for me if I am not doing such a terrific job if they understand my question, please?

 

[Guest]

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Let me make this clear.

I am asking about full status, no lapsed time, not free accounts, full paid Premium Account status, retired sim... IF recreated AFTER the amnesty date...

Will the newly created sim recieve the entitlement date locks? Or be set as if they are a new account/new sim nothing ever gained previous to the retirement sim?

Is this such a difficult question? Can someone else phrase it for me if I am not doing such a terrific job if they understand my question, please?

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No, I understood it, but after reading that conversation with Lewis it had nothing to do with this question. We're not asking about lost avatars that have more age than entitlement days, we are asking about re-creation being penalized by no longer having those avatars after April 30th given amnesty when the whole account falls under being eligible by re-activation by the deadline date, which the e-mail that was sent out stated that was the requirement to be eligible for amnesty. Two different subjects related only by the fact that they are both about amnesty, but apples and oranges otherwise

 

[Guest]

Oh I've been asking this in game too - I have 3 male BV sims that I want to retire as I wont play them now.

Fron the blog

For a short period of time (now until April 30, 2008), the algorithm used for skill locks will be adjusted to consider entitlement age as an alternative means of calculating skill locks. After the amnesty period, a new algorithm for determining skill locks will be in place. So create your characters before the deadline to take advantage of the amensty, the algorithm for after is tougher!

Now the way I understood the above part of blog post was that even if we do recrate after the amnesty we will still get our locks back but it may take longer.

Not 100% sure though so I was waiting to see a Dev online for clarification

 

[imported_DutchAmerica]

I wasn't sure about 'recreating' either but figured I had a few that I wanted to update looks on (give tans) and I also wanted to 'consolidate' a few accounts.

I hate to re-skill and re-work my jobs. But now is the one and only opportunity I'll have so I'm going for it. And I just figure it'll get us all back into the skill houses for a little while anyway.

(YAY!! Trees...I forgot them. And teachers. Wonder how much a teaching session should cost?)

 

[Guest]

I went ahead and killed off a few sims - then thought oh what the heck and killed a few more that I wan't happy with the look of - 9 sims in total

By the way don't forget to trade any items &amp; money to another sim before you hit the button.

URM... I sort of forgot on the first one and lost a whole kitchen &amp; bathroom full of items along with $500 approx

so glad I stocked a few sims up when the merged from BF &amp; AV as I'm just about to raid their inventories now

 

[Guest]

OOPS That stinks.