These Prepatched Quivers of Rage...

[Picus of Napa]

Are they legal? They give a extra 10 damage to each arrow or bolt shot and seem to be a imbalance as they can add massive extra damage over 1-4 shots. Comments? Devs?

 

[Bomb Bloke]

They are currently legal (in that players have been told not to page on other players using them), though the devs have confirmed they will be dealt with in time.

That was, however, quite some time ago...

Chrissay has suggested that players self-page if they have such a quiver, though some players who have taken this advice report they recieved suspensions - none report having a GM convert their item for them (as if they'd want that anyway...).

 

[Picus of Napa]

Well I thought I would bring it up againWhile it is not a game ender its more than annoying to fight against. I'd love to hear at the very least when they expect to patch them but I guess that would be unrealistic to release such information.

 

[Harb]

Seriousy dumb question I suppose sorry, I have quivers that are not the same. Which is which, in other words, what does a "pre-patch" quiver look like?

 

[Bomb Bloke]

A patched quiver deals 20% of each standard damage type.

http://www.uoguide.com/Quiver_of_Rage

 

[Omnius]

they do not give 10 extra damage a hit. it works out to be about 4more damage per hit.

 

[Picus of Napa]

I have friends that have them and I have tried it out. The damage is a straight extra 10 regardless of special and hit spell, it should be a extra 10% of damage which would be 3-4hp or so depending upon the strike.

Go to your local gate zone, which is most likely Yew, and have a look at a few of the archers. You will see one or two who's quivers are different from the ones you can currently get, flag them and check the damage out for yourself.

 

[Omnius]

on atlantic, my guild was one of 2 to start using them. I've seen nobody come up with an extra 10 damage with them. It's been an extra 4. with heavies it's like 6.

 

[Picus of Napa]

Your guild has the wrong ones, come to Napa and have a look around.

 

[Harb]

A patched quiver deals 20% of each standard damage type.

http://www.uoguide.com/Quiver_of_Rage

Now I'm even more confused than before, but sincere thanks for the response. I have two types stored away, both types show 20% damage of each type. From your response, they would seem "pre-patch" which if I've followed along means I guess I'm supposed to page a GM to get them "fixed." JC's post on the guide says:

The item's properties changed in Publish 55, making it substantially less powerful/useful then the item displayed to the right. Previously it's damage types were:

Direct Damage 10%
Physical Damage 40%
Cold Damage 50%
However, not all such Quivers were changed; some (with the older and more powerful damage attributes) still exist in the game.

Note that both versions have the Damage Modifier property.

Where ours differ, is some show a damage modifier above the damage types, some show the same modifier below damage types. I'm sure some are "old," but would be shocked if all were. Guess I'll remain ignorant and mystified! I suppose whats 4 points between friends

 

[Omnius]

Your guild has the wrong ones, come to Napa and have a look around.

Kid, have you ever played atlantic? everyone can tell the difference between 50/40 and 20/20/20/20/20

 

[Bomb Bloke]

I have two types stored away, both types show 20% damage of each type. From your response, they would seem "pre-patch" which if I've followed along means I guess I'm supposed to page a GM to get them "fixed."

Huh? I just told you: 20% of each damage type = patched.

Likewise, the segment of the guide you quoted specifically applies to unpatched quivers.

Though I'd be interested to know how your "two types" differ from each other.

 

[Cloak&Dagger]

His are different in that the "damage modifier" is in a different spot, this has no bearing on the items....most likely a slight glitch from when they tried to fix them. And i play both napa and atl, sorry but it don't matter what shard you play on "10 direct damage" will always be 10, its not a missing "10pct" its 10 damage no matter what the resists are, your 4-6 damage difference is from the RGN rolling 4-6 points LESS damage each time they shoot (you know like you have 40-60 damage possible and then can hit for 15-30 but really you hit for 25-40 and you notice a 4-6 damage increase due to the RGN not becuase the quiver gives 10pct) Direct damage is always that, direct despite any kind of resists. Only real difference is that for some reason the quivers allow you to go over the damage cap.

 

[blueturtle]

ya my buddy does conc's for like 60 dmg

 

[Vexxed]

PATCHED QoR
20% damage distribution in EACH of the 5 "resists" which accounts for 100% of the damage. Thus if someone has 70 resist in EVERYTHING and is hit by someone using this PATCHED QoR 70% is resisted & 30% of the BASE dmg in the attackers bar is dealt.


PRE-PATCH QoR

40% physical Damage & 50% cold damage. This ONLY accounts for 90% of the damage the quiver deals instead of 100%. It was answered by a developer that the "Missing" 10% of damage is actually delivered as DIRECT damage. (Direct damage DOES NOT check your opponents resist)

Effectively this means that as soon as you put on a PRE-PATCH Quiver of Rage 10% of the damage range displayed in your status bar is now going to IGNORE the resists of whatever you attack. If your status bar reads 100 damage and your using a PRE-PATCHED QoR (obviously on an archer bc they don't work for melee) your going to deal 90 damage that checks your opponents resists & 10 dmg that does not...

90 dmg vs 70 resist = 27 dmg
10 direct dmg vs 70 resist = 10 dmg

Total dmg delivered in 1 hit = 37....

If instead you dind't use the PRE-PATCH QoR... it would be

100 dmg vs 70 resist = 30 dmg..

30 vs 37.... big difference...

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MAX dmg you can see in your status bar with a HEAVY X-Bow
79-95

Quote from FoF Jan 11th 2008:

"What is Quiver of Rage supposed to do?"

There's actually some weirdness with how these properties are displayed - here's the full list:


Damage Modifier: 10%
Direct Damage: 10%
Physical Damage: 40%
Cold Damage: 50%
Weight Reduction: 25%
Two notes: Direct Damage is non-typed - so it isn't affected by resists. Also, "Damage Modifier" is NOT the same property as "Damage Increase" - it's a property unique to quivers that increases the total damage applied - AFTER resists are calculated. So it ends up being a pretty powerful item. (The fact that the Direct Damage bit is invisible is a bug, and is now in our database.) Draconi adds,

"Oh. And it's a cold, seething rage."

END RESULTS: (vs all 70's resists opponent)

PATCHED = 79-95 * 0.3 = 23.7 - 28.5
PRE-PATCH = 29.23- 35.15

5.53-6.65 ADDED dmg from a BUGGED QUIVER.. ( both Quivers have the "Damage modifier 10%" property which I left completely out since it magnifies them both equally)

I'd have to say that "4-6" added damge from a PRE-PATCH QoR is a far better description than "10" because this example assumes MAX 120 skills / 100 di / 150 STR etc..

PRE-PATCH MATH.....

90% of 79 = 71.1 * 0.3 = 21.33
10% of 79 = 7.9
Total = 29.23

90% of 95 = 85.5 * 0.3 = 25.65
10% of 95 = 9.5
Total = 35.15

 

[Harb]

Got it now thanks, was a little slow that time Sleep deprivation I guess. But Omnius, I've never and won't insult you, and recommend you reframe from doing so as well. Ours all patched then, I had been confused as the damage modifier property shows at the top of the property list on some of ours, but at the bottom on others. I assume the patch is what caused that anomaly to occur!

 

[Picus of Napa]

I assume the patch is what caused that anomaly to occur!

I would suspect this is the issue.

All I was wanting to know is given that they were to be patched what is being done about them? Giving someone a 3 day or 72 hours is unfair just because a quiver they found missed the patch but to the rest of the players who were not so lucky as to find one its a hurdle to overcome while fighting agaist. I shall hold my breath waiting for some type of official response.

 

[Bomb Bloke]

I shall hold my breath waiting for some type of official response.

Was nice knowing you. :/

 

[Cloak&Dagger]

I would suspect this is the issue.

All I was wanting to know is given that they were to be patched what is being done about them? Giving someone a 3 day or 72 hours is unfair just because a quiver they found missed the patch but to the rest of the players who were not so lucky as to find one its a hurdle to overcome while fighting agaist. I shall hold my breath waiting for some type of official response.

The official word on it is the rest of them will be patched or removed when they have the update, so...expect sometime in sept. heh. So don't hold your breath for to long Picus

Thank you Vexxed for your even more descriptive method of explaining how it is not 10pct more damage and 10% direct damage.

 

[Omnius]

heh I like how vexxed and I came across the same conclusion, him through the math, and me through verified game play. Just goes to show that sometimes the formulas back up what a player may be claiming occurs in game.

 

[Cloak&Dagger]

heh I like how vexxed and I came across the same conclusion, him through the math, and me through verified game play. Just goes to show that sometimes the formulas back up what a player may be claiming occurs in game.

Meh, I explained the math in a much less complex way. I suppose I should not have, it was my fault for taking offense for Picus.

 

[Picus of Napa]

All good. Either way they add extra damage that I believe was not indended.

 

[Omnius]

it was intended and then it was realized it was over powered and a fix was attempted. like most patching of items some escaped the fix and a better fix is needed.

 

[Alezi]

on atlantic, my guild was one of 2 to start using them. I've seen nobody come up with an extra 10 damage with them. It's been an extra 4. with heavies it's like 6.

It's extra 10% damage not mitigated by resists.

 

[Cloak&Dagger]

it was intended and then it was realized it was over powered and a fix was attempted. like most patching of items some escaped the fix and a better fix is needed.

Curious, are you sure it was intended? I thought the quiver of rage was always meant to have 20 in all resist, but I don't really feel like finding the information so at this point it is just a thought and not really a fact. Yes a better fix is needed, and hopefully the one they have planned will work this time.

 

[Bomb Bloke]

I thought the quiver of rage was always meant to have 20 in all resist, but I don't really feel like finding the information so at this point it is just a thought and not really a fact.

The bug with the initial item was that the Direct Damage property did not display on it.

http://www.uoguide.com/Five_on_Friday_-_January_11,_2008

 

[Cloak&Dagger]

Ahh, thank you for the link.